If you go to the RMWeb site there is a link towards the top for their Wishlist Poll 2014. I think I have just managed to complete the poll despite being a non-member on that site. I know we have an NGF wishlist but RMweb does offer some extra clout in certain areas so might be worth other people doing so.
Cheers,
Brooksy
As far as I can see, it is not an RMWeb poll per se, more a case of the forum being used as one of the vehicles for people to register their interests.
Personally, I think it is a good thing, and well worth spending a little time going through the questionnaire...it is very easy to use, as well as being pretty comprehensive.
What is interesting is the ever-reducing number of available Diesel prototypes on the list; still a little way to go on the electrics and a long way for units in general.
As much as would love this to happen, I am not holding my breath for the handsome LBSCR K Class to appear anytime soon...in either gauge :(
Quote from: Claude Dreyfus on October 02, 2014, 10:42:35 AM
As far as I can see, it is not an RMWeb poll per se, more a case of the forum being used as one of the vehicles for people to register their interests.
It is hosted on the rmweb site so that led to the conclusion. No excuses not to enter it now - unless you are uninterested in seeing new models appearing, I suppose.
Personally I'd like to see evidence of the already promised models >:(
Whilst it's great fun for everyone to contribute to a wish list I believe both Farish and Dapol are in a process of consolidation so it may be doomed not to be accepted by them.
Such wish lists also tend to carry a huge variety of 'minority' stock.
Sadly I can't imagine the business getting to the stage where they actually seek such information from the buying public :no:
My thoughts exactly ;)
Agreed, but the purpose of this is more intended to be a guide for long-term future planning. There are, of course, plenty of outstanding models promised - and these should indeed be delivered prior to any 'new' models being developed.
My understanding is this will be more structured than the usual, 'I want, I want, I want' frothfest that crops up every now and then on every forum I am a member of. Nothing wrong with them, often they are a bit of fun, but I suspect this may be taken a little more seriously than most, if nothing more than to give an indication of the sort of things modellers would like in the future.
This particular poll has a good track record in that the top models on the 00 list normally appear on the manufacturers' lists in the following couple of years. i do not think that the N list gets enough support to be taken seriously though that could change if members of a big N forum all voted in it. This particular poll is supported by several magazines and publicised on scale specific groups.
Manufacturers need a rolling programme of models under development in N if they are to continue to support the scale. A strong Interest in this poll might encourage them to speed up development of new items including announced but not yet developed models already in their catalogues.
Time for another NGF wishlist poll then ? :D
It's a pity there isn't an option for a decent class 25...
(Mischief smiley)
The RMWeb poll is farfrom perfect, but it is the best attempt I've seen (and has been used by the manufacturers in the past).
From the perspective of those of us potentially interested in commissioning models it can also be a useful source of information provided as many people as possible fill it in. Low response rates to the N gauge poll are reported to the modelling media and only perpetuate the myth/mistake that N is not worth bothering about.
Cheers, Mike
On the 'other forum', there is also a thread discussing 'Market Viability' - not going to repeat it all here, but will provide a link to it so that you can read it yourself:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/90863-market-viability-where-do-we-go-from-here/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/90863-market-viability-where-do-we-go-from-here/)
The interesting bit is on the first page, and has lots of stats about market share, etc as reflected by the 2013 Wish List Poll hosted there. The TL:DR is that the proportion of people who responded to the 2013 N Poll, compared with total responses, is broadly in line with the proportion of sales of N Gauge, compared with total sales, as reported by manufacturers.
Have submitted my entry, but one wagon I want wasn't there ie. cartics I have some Ford vans and wanted to run their Dagenham - Halewood train which had a mixture of vans and cartics. Does anyone make them already?
Hi Steve
Yes, the NGS make a nice kit of the Cartics! There are one or two very useful threads on here about building them.
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: steve836 on October 02, 2014, 07:54:40 PM
Have submitted my entry, but one wagon I want wasn't there ie. cartics I have some Ford vans and wanted to run their Dagenham - Halewood train which had a mixture of vans and cartics. Does anyone make them already?
If the wagon you wanted was the 1960s 'Cartic-4' then this was listed in section 14 - NPCCS, as these were passenger-rated.
Cartics were on there under Br wagons. I voted for them!
Alistair
Our poll had the Pendolino and Brighton Belle at the top of the EMU section. The BB is in production and the Pendolino may well be soon (via the project)
Quote from: 4x2 on October 02, 2014, 12:30:28 PM
Time for another NGF wishlist poll then ? :D
I don't think so. We currently have 3710 members and the 2012 poll attracted 148 voters while the 2013 poll received less - just 109 voters.
Even taking into account those who don't/won't model UK outline the interest just isn't there :hmmm:
Quote from: alibuchan on October 02, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
Cartics were on there under Br wagons. I voted for them!
Alistair
Car
flats were in the BR wagons section - these were the conversions from pre-nationalisation carriage underframes, not the 'Cartic' purpose-built multi-level articulated wagon sets.
Just a few days left to vote.
If you're a Night Ferry fan as I am, please vote in category 13 for "Wagons Lits – CIWL Night Ferry Stock (inc. Guard's Vans & Fourgons)", as well as 4-4-0 SR L1 in category 2 and class 71 in category 6.
A question: was the BR Mk1 'Boat Second' also allocated to the Night Ferry service ?
I've also voted for some London underground stuff: 1938 stock, 1956/59/62 stock, and 1973 stock in category 21. I may appreciate them because I never had to take them every day. :D I must confess that I wouldn't buy some Paris suburban train in N gauge; it is so horrible to take them every day. :censored:
This poll was also a great opportunity for me to discover very nice British pieces. Sometimes even surprising ones such as this GT3 gas turbine locomotive: http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/oddities/gt3.htm (http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/oddities/gt3.htm).
Quote from: newportnobby on October 02, 2014, 09:22:20 PM
Quote from: 4x2 on October 02, 2014, 12:30:28 PM
Time for another NGF wishlist poll then ? :D
I don't think so. We currently have 3710 members and the 2012 poll attracted 148 voters while the 2013 poll received less - just 109 voters.
Even taking into account those who don't/won't model UK outline the interest just isn't there :hmmm:
That's shocking :o, less than 3% of members bothered to vote. I would have thought that many more would like to vote up their preferences and express support for manufacturers.
I'f I was an N gauge manufacturer, thinking that the NGF is a hotbed of interest in N gauge, I'd come to the conclusion that most (97%) modellers don't give a damn about what I produce.
We keep being told that N gauge is a tiny market, and although there seem to be some encouraging growth signs that doesn't seem to be reflected by the vote here. Come on folks, get involved and help shape your hobby!
Cheers
Dave
Even if a new poll would just be for fun and only a fraction of the members replied, it could still make interesting reading.... So what if our previous polls are not a patch the RM one, we are a totally independent forum dedicated to N gauge, not jack of all gauge's like RM. :P
If the manufactures really wanted our input I'm sure they'd make it known via Facebook etc and even via the forum.... Polls are only really intended to show current trends - there's no guarantee that a top listed model will ever be produced.
Even though the enthusiasm for voting in our polls was underwhelming, some of the results in the 2012 poll are, shall we say, spooky :uneasy:
In our top 10 steam locos were:-
Schools (Dapol?)
Retooled Castle (Farish)
N class 2-6-0 (Farish)
and in the top 10 diesels in the 2012 poll were:-
Class 25 retooled (Farish)
Class 33 retooled (Dapol?)
Class 50 retooled (Dapol?)
Class 22 (Dapol)
Class 31 retooled (Farish)
Class 59 (Dapol?/DJ Models?)
Class 17(DJ Models)
Class 23 (DJ Models)
All results were sent to Farish & Dapol at the time. You can judge for yourself how many 'hits' we got, although with the lead time to locos appearing I'm sure this wasn't down to the manufacturers listening to us (although it may appear that way and could possibly be true), but more down to them being on pretty much the same wavelength regarding what the market desires :-\
Certainly it looks as if Dave Jones may have taken the results on board looking at what DJ Models have in the pipeline.
Quote from: newportnobby on October 22, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
Even though the enthusiasm for voting in our polls was underwhelming, some of the results in the 2012 poll are, shall we say, spooky :uneasy:
In our top 10 steam locos were:-
Schools (Dapol?)
Retooled Castle (Farish)
N class 2-6-0 (Farish)
and in the top 10 diesels in the 2012 poll were:-
Class 25 retooled (Farish)
Class 33 retooled (Dapol?)
Class 50 retooled (Dapol?)
Class 22 (Dapol)
Class 31 retooled (Farish)
Class 59 (Dapol?/DJ Models?)
Class 17(DJ Models)
Class 23 (DJ Models)
All results were sent to Farish & Dapol at the time. You can judge for yourself how many 'hits' we got, although with the lead time to locos appearing I'm sure this wasn't down to the manufacturers listening to us (although it may appear that way and could possibly be true), but more down to them being on pretty much the same wavelength regarding what the market desires :-\
Certainly it looks as if Dave Jones may have taken the results on board looking at what DJ Models have in the pipeline.
Farish did the original Class 33 - Dapol are doing an all-new one...
Yup - I have the old 33 and the new one on pre order.
The question marks are purely because some items have been announced but seem a long time in coming through whereas the 25 and 22 are already with us. If the others match the quality of these 2 we should be happy bunnies :)
Not being a member of other model rail forums, therefore not seeing their wish list polls, I would say there is need in N Gauge for a re-tooled class 90, a class 92 (full stop) and a nice futuristic class 68!
Of course iam quite biased to that era! :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: OwL on October 22, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
Not being a member of other model rail forums, therefore not seeing their wish list polls, I would say there is need in N Gauge for a re-tooled class 90, a class 92 (full stop) and a nice futuristic class 68!
Of course iam quite biased to that era! :smiley-laughing:
You don't need to be a member to vote on the poll on RMWeb as it is run by an outside group with help from them.
Get yourself over ther and vote on it! :)
Alistair
I believe it is being run by Brian macdermott and is in conjunction with MREMAG. The poll is just being hosted on the RMWeb site.
http://www.mremag.com/ (http://www.mremag.com/)
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: talisman56 on October 02, 2014, 09:27:13 PM
Quote from: alibuchan on October 02, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
Cartics were on there under Br wagons. I voted for them!
Alistair
Carflats were in the BR wagons section - these were the conversions from pre-nationalisation carriage underframes, not the 'Cartic' purpose-built multi-level articulated wagon sets.
Pedant mode on - most carflats were recycled Mark 1 suburbans 8)
Results of the N poll:-
http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/4_2014_MW_N.pdf (http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/4_2014_MW_N.pdf)
http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/5_2014_RBC_N.pdf (http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/5_2014_RBC_N.pdf)
http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/6_2014_RTB_N.pdf (http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/6_2014_RTB_N.pdf)
http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/2_2014_RBC_00.pdf (http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/2_2014_RBC_00.pdf)
467 voters in N, 2409 voters in 00. So N voters almost 20% of the 00.
Well, it looks like I'm probably safe from anyone releasing a GWR small metro before I finish mine, even at the pace I'm going at ;D
Quote from: OwL on October 22, 2014, 09:52:36 PM
Not being a member of other model rail forums, therefore not seeing their wish list polls, I would say there is need in N Gauge for a re-tooled class 90, a class 92 (full stop) and a nice futuristic class 68!
Of course iam quite biased to that era! :smiley-laughing:
Bachmann are doing a OO Gauge class 90, so we may see a retooled class 90 announced next year, I thought Dapol had announced the class 68 and 92?
Mark
class 117 and class 40 right at the top... good calls I'd say! dapol for the 117 and farish for the 40 makes sense...
tim
I think Dapol need to get their 92 off the "back burner" and Farish need the shrink ray applying to their 40 and 85..
Its nice to see the AC electrics up there.
Cheers
Mark
Just a thought-
If that poll were a Quickstarter then NOTHING would have received enough votes to make it viable........
Les
Ah - the good old statistical conclusion.
For sure, 429 commitments to a Kickstarter project wouldn't get it off the ground but also consider not everyone 'comes out to play' for wishlists :no:
The 2 Polls we ran didn't even attract anywhere near 429 voters which will probably preclude anyone running another NGF one. They have to, in my opinion, be considered just a bit of fun. We have seen Matt's GWR streamlined railcar come to nowt, and the Pendolino has been moved to Rapido from DJM in an attempt to pull in 800 pledges rather than 1000.
One really wonders exactly which piece of tractive power will prove attractive enough for us N gaugers to get behind and for the manufacturers to think 'That's the one' :hmmm:
Quote from: newportnobby on November 08, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
One really wonders exactly which piece of tractive power will prove attractive enough for us N gaugers to get behind and for the manufacturers to think 'That's the one' :hmmm:
Possibly ones where some of the development work has been done or is currently under way in another gauge, some of which seem to be in the top ten of the wishlists.