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General Category => N Gauge Discussion => Topic started by: Ozymandias on June 13, 2014, 04:02:16 PM

Title: What's this loco...?!
Post by: Ozymandias on June 13, 2014, 04:02:16 PM
Can anyone help me identify what this loco is? I bought it as a part-made kit on ebay and want to finish it as correctly as I can.

I thought it was a Holden B12, but someone here probably knows better...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13175.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13175)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13174.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13174)

Thanks for any ideas!  :)
Title: Re: What's this loco...?!
Post by: Oldun on June 13, 2014, 04:18:00 PM
What do you think:

[smg id=13176]

A Class S69  :hmmm:

Also the B12 and S69 were sometimes listed as Holden B12 (Ger class S69)
The only external difference between the B12 & the S69 I can see is that the
S69 has a taller funnel and higher pressure dome.

[smg id=13177]

B12


Roger
Title: Re: What's this loco...?!
Post by: Ozymandias on June 13, 2014, 04:45:45 PM
Hmmm.... could well be!!  :)
Title: Re: What's this loco...?!
Post by: Dr Al on June 13, 2014, 05:04:51 PM
Thats a BH Enterprises whitemetal GER B12 kit on a Poole Farish chassis (probably a Prairie or Hall with the connecting rod assembly and cylinders removed).

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: What's this loco...?!
Post by: martyn on June 13, 2014, 08:00:16 PM
Oldun's top photo labelled 'S69' is actually a B12/4. These locos were rebuilt from the original GER S69/LNER B12 by use of a round top, instead of Belpaire, boiler of the same diameter as the original boilers. They retained the original GER smokebox, chimney, and I think , original snifter valves. They were based in Scotland on the old GNSR section. When withdrawn from 1948 onward, the boilers were re-used to reboiler the ex GER J20s from Belpaire to round top firebox.
The lower picture is a B12/3 rebuild, which used a larger diameter smokebox and boiler. These remained generally shedded on the GER section, though there were odd ones away from this system (eg M&GN, but others wandered a little). They could be seen though, I think, at Oxford on workings from Cambridge.
The kit appears to be the BH Enterprises B12/3; easiest way to distinguish is the smokebox bottom, which was flat on the B12/3 but remained round on the B12/4.
HTH
Martyn