Here's one for those who think some Cyclists take the "P" on the road sometimes.
https://uk.screen.yahoo.com/video/playlist/world-s-worst-drivers/cyclist-loses-clash-bus-driver-133235457.html
Justice 8)
As someone who currently drives an artic round London every day I see all too much of this ::) Not all, but about two thirds of cyclists are just like that. Few things funnier than watching a lycra-clad numpty pedalling furiously along the WRONG side of the road to get past traffic, only to meet the bonnet of a car pulling out of a side road :D One very mangled front wheel, two grazed and bleeding kneecaps, and one disgruntled motorist complaining to bleeding cyclist about the teeny-tiny dent he put in her front wing ;D
Paul
I'm glad you wrote "some" cyclists!
I have been on my bike since I was 11 years old or 56 years! In that time I have taken the test at primary school and in the intervening years cycled across and around Scandinavia parts of Europe and thousands of miles in the UK.
I have forgotten how many times I have discovered the "other" sides of hedges or alternative methods of leaving the highway due to belligerent drivers, but that is just one of the hazards!
This young man in the video really takes the biscuit and I feel he has no-one to blame but himself!
Regards, Peter.
PS. In all honesty, after reading Sprintex, I have found that the majority of lorry drivers are the most sympathetic to the obvious exposure of a cyclist to the dangers, IF (a big if) the cyclist shows the respect that other drivers expect!
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on June 06, 2014, 09:47:55 AM
I'm glad you wrote "some" cyclists!
I chose my words carefully Peter, as there are many cyclists who are very careful and mindful on the roads.
I ride a bike myself,but mainly off road.
I thought this guy deserved what he got though.
:beers:..Ste..... :NGaugersRule:
For what it's worth, as an Aussie ex-pat currently driving in the UK I haven't found them too bad. Passed a few in Wales this morning, actually. At least you can see them!
Drove around the UK last august for 6 weeks.
I was surprised at the behaviour of many cyclists I encountered in the country areas. Rode in centre of the lane or two abreast, wouldn't move over to allow traffic to pass. In OZ such behaviour would be rather risky. Just assumed it was a UK thing.
All PITAes were clad in "professional" outfits. The touring types were very courteous.
Also got stuck behind some agricultural equipment where the drivers could have easily move over to allow passing but didn't. Slow crawl for a few miles. However others were quite nice which balanced out.
CFJ
Could have done without the Heavy Bagofstairrods bit ::)
Like Peter, I agree the cyclist got what he deserved >:(
I soon learnt as a motorcyclist the only way to survive was to treat everyone on the road as an idiot. 9 times out of 10 they did exactly what you expected them to :unimpressed:
Worth remembering that a bad cyclist can put a dent in someone else's fender and put themselves in hospital or worse.
And a bad driver can put a dent in their own fender but put a cyclist in hospital or worse.
Unsurprisingly, a lot of cyclists feel this isn't fair and I believe their behavior is in large part down to this attitude.
Quote from: newportnobby on June 06, 2014, 12:10:10 PM
I soon learnt as a motorcyclist the only way to survive was to treat everyone on the road as an idiot. 9 times out of 10 they did exactly what you expected them to :unimpressed:
Works just as well for automobile drivers. ;)
They are all out to kill ya. :laugh3:
CFJ
Where I live most cyclists seem to have total disregard for any one else even on footpaths and promenades.
Dodger
Also where I live in Australia, sadly.
Unfortunate;y we have the Lycra clad brigade in Dublin too.
If you are sitting at the lights with a left hand indicator on and the light go green - I would think most would assume you are going to turning left. So why is it the Lycra brigade think they can cut down the inside of you.
As I was walking cross the Zebra crossing the other day, with the Green Man happily showing me the way. I was nearly run down by a cyclist who obviously doesn't think that red lights apply to them...
Interestingly - when they get into their car - do they give out about the cyclist... :veryangry:
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on June 06, 2014, 09:47:55 AM
I have found that the majority of lorry drivers are the most sympathetic to the obvious exposure of a cyclist to the dangers, IF (a big if) the cyclist shows the respect that other drivers expect!
Sadly some cyclists don't appear to respect other road users, and unfortunately give cyclists as a whole, a bad name. I've seen some cyclists cycling on a dangerous road (A1055 near the Lea Valley Athletics Centre in NE London to be exact), when, not 20 feet away from them, is a perfectly adequate cycle path built specifically so they don't have to fight with the HGVs and vans that predominate in the area.
christ on a bike :)
look as someone who drives to work half the time and cycles the rest i see good and bad behaviour from all road users and not one set in particular, although i've had more arguments with idiots on bikes face to face when i've challenged their idiot riding
i liked the dude who berated cyclists for cycling in the middle of the road and 2 abreast, according to the highway code little wrong with that,
i ride towards the middle of the carriageway i am in, it forces idiots in cars to have to give me more room, makes me more visible AND gives me somewhere to go to dodge potholes and those who misjudge my speed on a mountain bike :) Saved my life 2 weeks ago when AN IDIOT IN A CAR (see what i did there) overtook me on a blind right hand bend and ended up cutting across me when he was face to face with an artciulated truck 50 feet in front of him
Not wanting to hijack this thread I just keep wondering just how many of the cyclists today have actually attended the "Cycling Proficiency" classes and test that was compulsory when I was a boy, if you wished to cycle to school, you took the test?
If you failed, you walked the 3 miles each day, or your parents forked out for the bus fare! (3 miles being the minimum distance for allowing cycle usage)
Sometimes, I look back and sigh, wishing that some of those "good old days" still existed!
Apologies to Dock Shunter.
Regards, Peter.
Quote from: Zakalwe on June 06, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
i liked the dude who berated cyclists for cycling in the middle of the road and 2 abreast, according to the highway code little wrong with that,
i ride towards the middle of the carriageway i am in.....
Too many forget that the first rule of the road in this country is KEEP LEFT, and not just left of the white line; most cyclists don't seem to give a toss that even if they think they're in the 'right', they'll be just as dead!
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on June 06, 2014, 08:32:32 PM
Not wanting to hijack this thread I just keep wondering just how many of the cyclists today have actually attended the "Cycling Proficiency" classes and test that was compulsory when I was a boy, if you wished to cycle to school, you took the test?
If you failed, you walked the 3 miles each day, or your parents forked out for the bus fare! (3 miles being the minimum distance for allowing cycle usage)
Sometimes, I look back and sigh, wishing that some of those "good old days" still existed!
Apologies to Dock Shunter.
Regards, Peter.
I don't think that many of today's cyclists have even read the Highway Code! (Especially the part that says that it is illegal to cycle on the pavement... :no:) When I got my first adult bicycle it came with a free copy of the Highway Code - I read it from cover to cover numerous times :goggleeyes: It may sound rather nerdy, but it stood me well when I took my motorcycle and car tests later in life!
But there are times that I am not too sure how many of today's drivers have read the Highway Code either...
was that the red covered highway code? I did the same
Quote from: oscar on June 06, 2014, 08:47:33 PM
Too many forget that the first rule of the road in this country is KEEP LEFT, and not just left of the white line; most cyclists don't seem to give a toss that even if they think they're in the 'right', they'll be just as dead!
oooooooooooo get you
it's keep left, not so far let you have nowhere to go because you are not worthy to be on the road and in the way of the much more important car driven by the driver who believes they are right.
see, i can generalise inappropriately too.
I drive a car and I ride a bike.
When I am riding my bike the behaviour of car drivers is much, much more scary than the behaviour of cyclists when I am driving my car.
Idiot cyclists are annoying idiots
Idiot car (van and lorry) drivers are killer idiots
Cheers Jon :)
Quote from: Zakalwe on June 06, 2014, 08:56:41 PM
oooooooooooo get you
Put your knickers back on straight!
Read my first line properly up to the ;.
Did I mention cyclists in it? :confused2:
"
not worthy to be on the road "
Your words, not mine! :bounce:
Come on, guys.
There's no need to turn an interesting debate into personal attacks :stop:
there are bad cyclists ...
there are bad drivers ....
there are idiot cyclists ....
there are idiot drivers .....
what there do not seem to be these days are any police out there to enforce the traffic laws, and give advice where needed.
they all seem to be in the nick on faceache or twattfeatures until it's time for the blues and twos to respond to an incident.
never seem to see them actually on patrol, unless of course there is a TV crew in the car.
then it's different.
so the idiot and bad cyclists and drivers get away with their actions, until there is an accident sorry collision, and then plod turns up mob handed, looking mostly like Darth Vader, and with enough fire power to re-enact D - Day.
perhaps a bit more policing MIGHT lead to a better standard of cycling and driving :hmmm:
naaaaahh
I'm a bus driver (tin hat ready...) and I also drive the infamos ex london bendy buses. And boy, have I got a boat load of stories to tell.... But I'm not going to - There are good drivers/riders and there are many bad ones too. Although I have had much professional training and have 15 years experience, but it doesn't make me perfect !
I make mistakes, and i'll always put my hand up if I'm to blame - but my point is that in my experience if people were just a little bit more aware of whats going on around them, and when it goes wrong not to be so quick to blame others when it's clearly their fault (ie being accountable for your own actions), things would move along much better and maybe the road rage incidents would decrease.
In the OP's post, the bus driver is clearly to blame - quite simply no matter how stupid the guy in front is, the bus driver is a professional and in my opinion his actions are inexcuseable. What he should of done is pull over and wait for the nutter to go away, I would be furious at the guy - but the health and safety of your passengers comes first and believe it or not you are responsable for the health and safety of the nutter too !
Anyway, I find that these discusions tend to split people like religions - bikers blame the cars, cars blame the cyclists, cyclists blame everyone, everyone hates buses !!!
How about a nice game of chess ?
I too am a bus driver, in Manchester, i find the biggest issue is that most cyclists and pedestrians don't think that the Highway Code applies to them!!
Cycle lanes are pointless, most cyclists don't realise that they are there for their safety and seem to believe they are cycling in a protective bubble. Worst of all Lemmings, sorry, pedestrians are oblivious to everything in the city centre, i used to sing out of my cab window "suicide is painless!" Every time someone stepped out on me. What a frustration, the mentality is "I MUST BE IN FRONT OF THE BUS!", i would assume artic drivers have the same issue!
We are driving large vehicles that take a lot longer to stop, why oh why go in front of the large vehicle? ......and the gap in front of us is our braking distance, why would you go into that gap?
Rant over, sorry!
Steven
Quote from: Zakalwe on June 06, 2014, 08:28:20 PM
i liked the dude who berated cyclists for cycling in the middle of the road and 2 abreast, according to the highway code little wrong with that,
Didn't berate and know highway code (read the thing online before going on holiday). Please don't misquote or falsely interpret.
My complaint was the lack of consideration, cooperation and blatant "I have a right" mentality of some cyclists encountered in my 6 weeks. Strangely the ones who exhibit such behaviour were the lycra clad ones. And before you get your knickers in a knot I said
some cyclists. Some MAMIL and all of the touring or "Sunday" riders encountered would move to the side when safe to do so and I would pass when safe to do so, otherwise I just cruised slowly behind. I will admit I do not always give a full lane clearance when passing cycles but at least a 3/4 car width in case they wiggle a bit.
Spent 15 years riding pushies in town and country so have some idea of the problems on an exposed bike. One thing I would never do on a bike is travel in the middle of a lane where traffic can move fast, sense of survival is too great to be overridden by stupidity.
The ones who readily come to mind were 4 MAMILs travelling up Cheddar Gorge (lovely place). Plenty of room in most areas to move to the side and allow cars to pass but seemed to revel in their ability to control traffic flow. Some car drivers took unnecessary risks to get past. As I said its all about consideration and cooperation not your "rights". Followed two other cyclists down the gorge, they were travelling so fast (single file) I had little reason to use the brake to stay behind them.
BTW; 4x2, not everyone hates all bus drivers. :)
CFJ
I have a friend who lost his leg and nearly his life because a professional hgv driver pulled out onto a roundabout and did not see him .If it had not been for a police car that had been behind him and the a surgeon from a near by hospital in the car behind that he would not be here today. You get idiots in every field of life so please do not target any particular group
Quote from: class37025 on June 06, 2014, 10:39:49 PM
. . . perhaps a bit more policing MIGHT lead to a better standard of cycling and driving :hmmm:
naaaaahh
My Grandmother got a ticking off from a policeman for not stopping at a Stop sign whilst riding her bicycle in her village. She was aged 91 :) at the time and argued that there were no cars around. She nearly got into more trouble by insulting the policeman. This was in the days when there were more police on the beat, many, many moons ago.
I am still trying to find a copy of the New Forest & East Dorset Highway Code. The rules of the road in this area are completely different to those in the Highway Code for the rest of the country! And used by pedestrians, cyclists and motorists.
Dodger
Quote from: bees on June 07, 2014, 02:40:30 AM
I too am a bus driver, in Manchester, i find the biggest issue is that most cyclists and pedestrians don't think that the Highway Code applies to them!!
Cycle lanes are pointless, most cyclists don't realise that they are there for their safety and seem to believe they are cycling in a protective bubble. Worst of all Lemmings, sorry, pedestrians are oblivious to everything in the city centre, i used to sing out of my cab window "suicide is painless!" Every time someone stepped out on me. What a frustration, the mentality is "I MUST BE IN FRONT OF THE BUS!", i would assume artic drivers have the same issue!
We are driving large vehicles that take a lot longer to stop, why oh why go in front of the large vehicle? ......and the gap in front of us is our braking distance, why would you go into that gap?
Rant over, sorr
Steven
I usually shout 'quick, run in front of the bus !' and the usual reply is unprintable....
Ps rant justified !
This promotes safe cycling very well :angel:
Halfords #getonyourbike EXCLUSIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNdObl46C1M#ws)
Quote from: NTrain on June 07, 2014, 12:57:56 PM
This promotes safe cycling very well :angel:
Halfords #getonyourbike EXCLUSIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNdObl46C1M#ws)
What on earth were they doing with their Left hands, learning to fly?
Notice all of them wearing helmets too?
Halfords ought to be taken to one side to explain!!
Peter.
Even motorcyclists (of which I am one), behave strangely. Last night I was driving along the A43 near Silverstone. Two motorcycles joined the road, and proceeded to pass every motor vehicle and then slowed to 60. They then positioned themselves one in each lane, so we all had to drive at 60. This continued for a couple of miles, until two more bikes came along and also got held up (a bit of weaving, to say the least). One of the new bikers than got somewhat annoyed, and almost shunted one of the original ones off the road. Seemed to sort out their problem, and we all got on with our journeys!
Oh, and I passed my Cycling Proficiency in 1961!
I drive fire engines thru the streets of Sydney or a living and I could count on one finger the amount of cyclists who follow the road rules. Now I ride too and how do you try and teach the kids when all they see is adult doing everything wrong. I hate it when they cut in thru the traffic then pull up in front of you and I'm sure they have never heard of red lights
Bart
C'mon guys, no ones said they don't pay "road tax" yet?! Let's have a full house of bigoted stereotypes shall we?
- 2/3 of cyclists in London ride along at a snail's pace holding up traffic in London and thus deserve to be run over? No they don't. A few jump red lights. They're idiots. A lot of car drivers drive recklessly, they're more likely to kill someone. A lot of lorry drivers appear to be narrow minded oafs.
- cyclists are advised to ride 2 abreast to avoid dangerous overtaking manoeuvres. They don't hold up traffic, they are traffic. In fact they have more right to be on the road than a motor vehicle, which must be taxed, insured and licenced to be there
- the Government advise cycle paths are not used by those doing more than 15mph. That's a very modest pace for a half reasonable cyclist, not to mention the debris you find in them, having to give way constantly at every side road, the pedestrians, dog walkers etc.
Some cyclists flout the law, they're a minority. Some car drivers flout the law. In fact I'd say far more car drivers do, and they're a shed load more dangerous while they do it.
More can be seen on this subject at 9pm on ITV1 tonight :hmmm:
Quote from: njee20 on June 08, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
C'mon guys, no ones said they don't pay "road tax" yet?! Let's have a full house of bigoted stereotypes shall we?
Beside they shouldn't be on the road as they don't pay road tax!
Don't know how I overlooked that. :)
I find it amazing that the various governments haven't locked onto this untapped source of revenue. Very atypical. :confused2:
CFJ
Quote from: NinOz on June 10, 2014, 12:34:24 PM
Quote from: njee20 on June 08, 2014, 09:31:09 AM
C'mon guys, no ones said they don't pay "road tax" yet?! Let's have a full house of bigoted stereotypes shall we?
Beside they shouldn't be on the road as they don't pay road tax!
Don't know how I overlooked that. :)
I find it amazing that the various governments haven't locked onto this untapped source of revenue. Very atypical. :confused2:
CFJ
I DO pay road tax, for my car!
I pay for cycling by taking the scratches, the knocks, the swearing, the bad behaviour of some motorists, WITHOUT taking their numbers, reporting them or taking them to court!
I have lost teeth, damaged feet, broken wheels and a Black eye from an irate motorist who needed to vent his spleen, I was the nearest object!
I would LOVE to drive a tank!!!
Regards, Peter.
The point is that no one's paid road tax since 1937, roads are funded from general taxation, but that doesn't stop a not insignificant minority of motorists believing the fact they pay VED (based on vehicle emissions, thus it would actually be zero for bikes anyway), gives them more entitlement to use the roads.
Why don't pushbikes have a means of identification? And insurance? And monthly MOTs?
I see dozens of bikes every day with no brakes or fixed wheel!!!
Njee20, you stated that a few 'cyclists' jump red lights; not in that film last night. The majority did.....
Quote from: oscar on June 10, 2014, 03:48:03 PM
Why don't pushbikes have a means of identification? And insurance? And monthly MOTs?
I see dozens of bikes every day with no brakes or fixed wheel!!!
Njee20, you stated that a few 'cyclists' jump red lights; not in that film last night. The majority did.....
**Sensationalist journalism in not entirely representative stance shock** ::)
I cycled into London this morning, a few jumped lights, perhaps 10% at some junctions, generally less. Always worse in summer, the occasional cyclists come out. A similar number of cars and buses jumped lights, motorbikes were the worst I'd say for traffic violations - speeding, using ASL boxes etc.
Cars don't have a monthly MOT, why should bikes!? A car fails an MOT for things that are dangerous too, the risk of serious injury or fatality if something fails is somewhat higher with a car too!
Most do have insurance - the vast majority of house insurance will include third party liability cover. For competitions cyclists must be insured too, either through the individual event or with membership of either the British Cycling Federation or the Cyclist's Touring Club.
Having watched the ITV programme, quite frankly I was appalled at the behaviour of all the road rage perpetrators. OK, I sit in the car and curse a bit, but have never wound the window down to vent my spleen, let alone physically assaulted someone :no:
Nope, me neither. There are nutters in all walks of life, some drive cars, some ride bikes, some are pedestrians!
QuoteCars don't have a monthly MOT, why should bikes!?
[/i]
Why shouldn't they?
A lot of the ones I see, especially the teenagers', are only fit for junk.
And they're ridden at high speed on pavements! :hmmm:
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on June 10, 2014, 12:58:44 PM
I would LOVE to drive a tank!!!
Regards, Peter.
I'm not sure there is that much stopping you. You need to pass class 'H' I believe it is (tracked vehicle) which you can do by learning in a mini-digger or similar and then doing the test.
You can do the test in some classes of road legal armoured vehicle but not others (even if they are road legal post test). In fact I gather the examiners *love* that except for the emergency stop... You may also need a crew of 2 depending upon the vehicle (one to give the hand signals the other to drive)
So there's nothing stopping you driving a tank except maybe the fuel bill and the insurance 8) You are also very unlikely to get clamped or towed!
Alan
Quote from: newportnobby on June 10, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
Having watched the ITV programme, quite frankly I was appalled at the behaviour of all the road rage perpetrators. OK, I sit in the car and curse a bit, but have never wound the window down to vent my spleen, let alone physically assaulted someone :no:
The only time I have shouted out of the window is at a cyclist I nearly killed - because he was cycling the wrong way round a roundabout :o I was waiting to pull on to the roundabout, looking right for a gap in the traffic. When there was one, I pulled away...
...and had to test my brakes with an emergency stop, as the cyclist came from my
left! I did shout at him - he just ignored me and carried on round the roundabout... :doh: And he wasn't young - looked like he was old enough to be my grandfather! :veryangry:
...and, before anyone says that I should see things from the point of view of the cyclist, I have been a cyclist and a motorcyclist in my time - and I have always tried to be careful and considerate to all road users, and always tried to obey all the laws of the road. (See my previous post about the highway code.) Just a shame that I can't say the same for all the other road users - whatever they use on the roads!
I think the hard metal tracks of a tank might damage the road somewhat! :hmmm:
I cycle and believe in responsible cycling, myself sick of ignorant light jumpers and pavement pansies. Encountered one of these nerks whilst walking back home just now. When I'm on foot, I'm a pedestrian, and therefore have right of way on the pavement. >:(
Quote from: MattJ on June 10, 2014, 06:17:39 PM
I think the hard metal tracks of a tank might damage the road somewhat! :hmmm:
I cycle and believe in responsible cycling, myself sick of ignorant light jumpers and pavement pansies. Encountered one of these nerks whilst walking back home just now. When I'm on foot, I'm a pedestrian, and therefore have right of way on the pavement. >:(
Driving a tank I might just get my own back on some of those who regard me as a non-entity when I am astride my trusty steed! Peter.
Quote from: MattJ on June 10, 2014, 06:17:39 PM
I think the hard metal tracks of a tank might damage the road somewhat! :hmmm:
I cycle and believe in responsible cycling, myself sick of ignorant light jumpers and pavement pansies. Encountered one of these nerks whilst walking back home just now. When I'm on foot, I'm a pedestrian, and therefore have right of way on the pavement. >:(
Not where I live, Cyclists have the right of way whether on the road, pavement, promenade or pedestrian area.
Dodger
I do think people should be forced to spend some time on a bike as part of learning to drive. May help the obesity epidemic and would almost certainly make people realise how vulnerable you are on a bike, when not doing stupid things like riding the wrong way around roundabouts...
As a public service i shall summarise this thread:
some car drivers are rubbish and sometimes kill people
some cyclists ride stupidly and sometimes annoy people
spot the difference?
please feel free to now continue citing pointless, unprovable examples of the other side of your argument doing stupid things :) I shall randomly chip in examples i make up proving my point that the outcomes of poor driving control are worse for the cyclist.
and i need to give thanks to the first person who said "but they don't pay road tax!!!1!!!1!! and it's unfair!1!!1!"
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on June 10, 2014, 06:25:35 PM
Driving a tank I might just get my own back on some of those who regard me as a non-entity when I am astride my trusty steed! Peter.
Kenny Everett suggests a Sherman Tank & Crushes a Classic leyland Mini (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6qdzQvHhE#)
:D
now that was a genius programme, pity it never seems to be repeated
Quote from: Zakalwe on June 10, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
As a public service i shall summarise this thread:
some car drivers are rubbish and sometimes kill people
some cyclists ride stupidly and sometimes annoy people
spot the difference?
please feel free to now continue citing pointless, unprovable examples of the other side of your argument doing stupid things :) I shall randomly chip in examples i make up proving my point that the outcomes of poor driving control are worse for the cyclist.
and i need to give thanks to the first person who said "but they don't pay road tax!!!1!!!1!! and it's unfair!1!!1!"
You seemed to have omitted the point that some cyclists ride stupidly and are killed by motor vehicle drivers and that those drivers have to live with it for the rest of their lives.
My uncle sadly knocked down and killed a child who ran out between parked cars and he was never the same again - even giving up his job as a sales rep.
I would also say to all that any posts regarded as personal attacks by the Mod team will be removed - please remember this is against the forum Code of Conduct.
Noted.
the point i was trying to make was that this type of thread is too polarised to be genuinely useful with examples of inappropriate behaviour traded for little gain.
Quote from: Zakalwe on June 10, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
As a public service i shall summarise this thread:
some car drivers are rubbish and sometimes kill people
some cyclists ride stupidly and sometimes annoy people
spot the difference?
please feel free to now continue citing pointless, unprovable examples of the other side of your argument doing stupid things :) I shall randomly chip in examples i make up proving my point that the outcomes of poor driving control are worse for the cyclist.
and i need to give thanks to the first person who said "but they don't pay road tax!!!1!!!1!! and it's unfair!1!!1!"
The comments I made from the pedestrians point of view are provable, you only have to walk along the promenade between Southbourne and Sandabanks at the week end to see the arrogance of cyclists who totally ignore the rules applied by the council. The only reason there are no accidents is because the pedestrians give way to cyclists despite signs every 100m warning cyclists of the speed limit that applies to them and the fact that pedestrians have right of way.
When the Council staff attempt to apply the cycling ban i July and August the cyclists start riding again as soo nas they are out of sight.
And of course there is always the case of a child who was crossing a road under "greenman" conditions but was knocked down and badly injured by a cyclist who totally ignore the red light stopping road traffic.
Dodger
QuoteAnd of course there is always the case of a child who was crossing a road under "greenman" conditions but was knocked down and badly injured by a cyclist who totally ignore the red light stopping road traffic.
That's it though isn't it. [/i]The[/I] case, where the victim was injured. Tragic yes. What about the dozens killed every year by cars in hit and runs? Let's sharpen our pitchforks for car drivers eh? Oh wait, killing with impunity in a car is completely acceptable.
There has been a good debate on this with good points made. Overall, the view seems to be that more care is needed by all on the roads. I think that this thread has run its course and there is a danger of repetition so I am now locking this thread :locked: