John Ayrey are now listing 4 new bus models in N. This comes from Kevin Ellis's Model Bus. Zone siite
"Four models have been listed on the John Ayrey site, all have provisional release dates of June 2014.
NAN001 Southdown N.B.C. - Leyland Atlantean Park Royal
NAN002 East Yorkshire N.B.C. - Leyland Atlantean Park Royal
NB001 National Travel North East - Duple Dominant II Coach
NB002 Green Line (route 700 Windsor) - Duple Dominant II Coach
Only the Green Line model has been illustrated so far and is the first N scale model I've seen to feature driving mirrors!"
(http://www.ayrey.co.uk/dbimages/models/BTO%20NB002.jpg)
I'd be very interested in the Southdown NBC version, as it'll replace my Farish underscale London Country dual door Park Royal version.
Even more so if the model displays a Portsmouth area route number!
Ooh that looks good :thumbsup:
Never hear of B-T Models before though, are they new?
Paul
BT is the new name for Base Toys, which have been making 4mm vehicles for a while.
Quote from: Sprintex on May 26, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
Ooh that looks good :thumbsup:
Never hear of B-T Models before though, are they new?
Paul
Paul Choose the BT Models tab from the browse catalogue page. The N items are at the bottom of page 1 and the top of page 2.
http://www.ayrey.co.uk/startframe.html (http://www.ayrey.co.uk/startframe.html)
Some new trucks too such as Leyland FG engineers crewbus as already in the 00 range.
Interesting I have been in contact with John Ayrey about the apparent stall in this range. So I am glad more is coming. I would not expect much to turn up yet, the first bus will be close as it has a picture. Look at the list and still several items say 2013.
Yet more fine additions to my London Country fleet!
:thankyousign:
Quote from: Sprintex on May 26, 2014, 08:44:04 AM
Ooh that looks good :thumbsup:
Never hear of B-T Models before though, are they new?
Paul
They have a range of N gauge lorries but most belong to my era (late 50's to early 70's) not for youse "modern folk"..
Jerry
I have been advised that some of the missing items from last year are on route, the buses are 5-6 weeks away and the rest of the new stuff due over the coming 5-6 months.
Great, I have quite a few Lorries and they are really nice. I'll be adding some buses to my layout now. I hope they release some 70's & 80's cars sometime too.
Jamie
I wish someone would do a few pre-war buses though. That's WWII by the way. Does anyone know of any? I can only find the Bedford OB and that's a tad modern for me.
PD Marsh do a pre-war Bedford
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P-D-Marsh-N-Gauge-Scale-E35-Bedford-WLB-singledeck-bus-/370104941657?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item562bf93c59 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/P-D-Marsh-N-Gauge-Scale-E35-Bedford-WLB-singledeck-bus-/370104941657?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item562bf93c59)
I'm getting the east Yorkshire atlantean then....
tim
all 4 buses are now illustrated on http://www.ayrey.co.uk/startframe.html (http://www.ayrey.co.uk/startframe.html)
The Southdown Atlantean/Park Royal bus (see page 2) appears in plain NBC green, registration LCD 43P (bus no. 743).
It entered service in 1975, one of six (742-47) supplied with black window gaskets, the other 41 (701-41) entered service in 1974 having grey window gaskets (source: Southdown - Volume 2: the details by Colin Morris (Venture Publications, 1994))
The model's photographed from the offside and rear and has route number X16, the former "Solenteer" limited stop service between Southsea South Parade Pier and Southampton.
That's perfect for my Fisherlea layout :claphappy: - it remains to be seen if the front destination's going to be Southsea or Southampton.
Having said that, the details look as though they've been copied from the Britbus OO version http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/LargeImages/Britbus/AN1-01_Leyland%20AN68%20Atlantean_Southdown_Final_Large.jpg (http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/LargeImages/Britbus/AN1-01_Leyland%20AN68%20Atlantean_Southdown_Final_Large.jpg)
so the destination on the N scale version could be Southsea, after all. :claphappy:
I've just looked at the Model Bus Zone website about the buses' releases, it says:
"The Leyland Atlantean models are scaled down versions of the 1/76 scale Britbus models AN1-01 & AN1-12"
http://www.modelbuszone.co.uk/mbz_news/mbz_news.htm (http://www.modelbuszone.co.uk/mbz_news/mbz_news.htm)
Quote from: gc4946 on June 01, 2014, 10:45:18 AM
I've just looked at the Model Bus Zone website about the buses' releases, it says:
"The Leyland Atlantean models are scaled down versions of the 1/76 scale Britbus models AN1-01 & AN1-12"
Yep - I'd noticed that, right down to the ill fitting upper deck front winscreen and the strange looking wing mirrors!!
The East Yorkshire one is even the same fleet no/registration as the 4mm version (which I already have) but I'll probably still have one as they were very common on route 60 as modelled which passed my childhood home :)
The first two coaches are arriving at retailers this week. No photos yet.
Quote from: Geriatrix on May 29, 2014, 10:11:11 AM
I wish someone would do a few pre-war buses though. That's WWII by the way. Does anyone know of any? I can only find the Bedford OB and that's a tad modern for me.
Another vote for pre war, I'm after late 20's - mid 30's Leylands, single and double deckers. I've done a couple of hacks to get something that looks close but only "close enough" for the rear half of the layout.
I have quite a lot of the lorries and vans that have been made they are very good BUT the quality has gone down just a bit ,When the first few came out they had actual rubber tyres now they are plastic and one of the tankers was a bit high and one lorry had a twisted flatbed caused by the screw going in cross threaded but I would still recomend. them they are .
still good value for money
Bob
I have received the Greenline and National Travel East versions of the Duple Dominant today from Hattons. Selections of pictures below. They look convincing to me.
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A quick question for the bussie people out there, when were these introduced? Am looking for m=something suitable for the early 1970s and am thinking about the atlantean as an option but would have to wait for a more suitable livery for the South West unless there are any other options someone can suggest.
Best wishes
Simon
The Dominant II (deep front screen, shallow rear) was introduced in 1976.
Ok so that one is a little too new for my layout then, thanks Bernard.
best wishes
Simon
Quote from: bridgiesimon on August 16, 2014, 05:38:04 PM
A quick question for the bussie people out there, when were these introduced? Am looking for m=something suitable for the early 1970s and am thinking about the atlantean as an option but would have to wait for a more suitable livery for the South West unless there are any other options someone can suggest.
Best wishes
Simon
That particular design of Park Royal body on the Atlantean was first produced in 1972. It sold well to the PTEs throughout the 1970s and many NBC subsidiaries had some, though for most it was always second favourite after the Bristol VR...
From around 1972/3 all National Bus Company subsidiaries used the standard red or green liveries anyway so all you should need to do is select either a red or green one as apropriate for your area and change the fleetnames...
Sounds good, so a greenie one changed to Western National would be the answer then. Any ideas where to acquire the transfers?
best wishes
Simon
The Oxford Plaxton would be suitable for early 1970s; there were still plenty in service for National at that time even though the design was superseded in 1968.
I believe that western national still had Bristol Lodekka LD in service till the mid seventies these are available through oxford diecast
A well-known Liverpool retailer has both Southdown and East Yorkshire Atlanteans in stock:
http://www.ehattons.com/79580/Base_Toys_NAN001_Leyland_Atlantean_Park_Royal_Southdown_NBC_1975_1990_/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/79580/Base_Toys_NAN001_Leyland_Atlantean_Park_Royal_Southdown_NBC_1975_1990_/StockDetail.aspx)
http://www.ehattons.com/79581/Base_Toys_NAN002_Leyland_Atlatean_Park_Royal_East_Yorkshire_NBC_1973_1988_/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/79581/Base_Toys_NAN002_Leyland_Atlatean_Park_Royal_East_Yorkshire_NBC_1973_1988_/StockDetail.aspx)
... but no images available, has anyone bought one? I'm curious to see how good their Southdown version is like.
Quote from: gc4946 on October 02, 2014, 08:52:32 PM
A well-known Liverpool retailer has both Southdown and East Yorkshire Atlanteans
£9 !? ... ... Nine Quid!? ??? :confused2: :worried: >:D
Try TTC diecast. They've had then for a couple of weeks and are £2 cheaper!!
http://www.ttcdiecast.com/base-toys-nan002-leyland-atlantean-pr---east-yorkshire-nbc---n-guage-model-38770-p.asp%3E (http://www.ttcdiecast.com/base-toys-nan002-leyland-atlantean-pr---east-yorkshire-nbc---n-guage-model-38770-p.asp%3E)
I've seen images of production versions of both Atlanteans:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-B-T-Toys-NAN001-N-Gauge-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-Southdown-NBC-X16-Southsea-/201183097416?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item2ed7727248 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-B-T-Toys-NAN001-N-Gauge-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-Southdown-NBC-X16-Southsea-/201183097416?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item2ed7727248)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-B-T-Toys-NAN002-N-Gauge-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-East-Yorkshire-NBC-Hull-/171481898122?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item27ed1e1c8a (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Base-B-T-Toys-NAN002-N-Gauge-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-East-Yorkshire-NBC-Hull-/171481898122?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item27ed1e1c8a)
Neither version has the side sliding window ventilators printed or moulded on, not too sure about the windscreens, either - they should be more curved than they are on the model and I suspect the corner pillars are thicker than usual because of the moulding process, see photos of Park Royal-bodied vehicles via this link
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2145774@N24/ (https://www.flickr.com/groups/2145774@N24/)
Thanks chaps! The Southdown Atlantean will go nicely with my Southdown Plaxton Panorama, which I really like.
Ex VAT incl P&P, Hattons will be sending it for £10.49 - now where's the 'smug' icon???
Maybe it's just me, but I seem to have a completely separate scale for trains... $16 for an oil change on the car, $16 for a tiny little toy bus... guess which I think is the bargain!
Today I bought a Southdown Atlantean and compared it with my Scenecraft version bought last year:
The B-T Models is to British N scale 1:148 as opposed to the Scenecraft version which is to 1:160. More single door versions were produced than dual door types.
These comments are also based on the images found on Flickr on these Atlanteans https://www.flickr.com/groups/2145774@N24/ (https://www.flickr.com/groups/2145774@N24/)
The front windscreen is modelled better on the Scenecraft version as it incorporates the wraparound corners around the pillars and the distinctive curved top and body recess above which is absent on the B-T Models example.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_16863.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=16863)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_16864.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=16864)
On the other hand the body panel joins are more discreet on the B-T Models version and the rear bonnet is more detailed including the distinctive square indentations either side of the "Atlantean" badge which are absent on Scenecraft's version.
see image at https://www.flickr.com/photos/79716601@N02/8660581395/in/pool-2145774@N24 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/79716601@N02/8660581395/in/pool-2145774@N24)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_16865.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=16865)
The B-T Models version doesn't include any moulded or printed side window ventilators which may be useful if one wants to model a specific operator's vehicle which may or may not had all the vents whereas the Scenecraft's version has hopper vents moulded onto all the large windows.
Southdown's version correctly includes a rear route number indicator, however the Scenecraft's front destination panel looks better in size and in the typefaces used.
The Scenecraft version's finish isn't as glossy as B-T's version, which appears to be fresh from the paintshop.
Finally, the B-T version has two rather overscale wing mirrors mode from a flexible material whereas there are none on the Scenecraft model.
I'll keep both types for my Fisherlea layout as the Scenecraft version, displayed on its offside, as Southdown never ran dual-door Park Royal Atlanteans, can stand beside its similarly underscale Bristol VRT in NBC green, and the B-T version can be displayed alongside my Oxford Diecast "Queen Mary".
The windscreen on the B-T Models version is more like those found on the 'Manchester' style Atlanteans/Fleetlines.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/SELNEC_bus_EX1_%28PNF_941J%29%2C_MMT_Atlantean_50_event_%286%29.jpg/800px-SELNEC_bus_EX1_%28PNF_941J%29%2C_MMT_Atlantean_50_event_%286%29.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/SELNEC_bus_EX1_%28PNF_941J%29%2C_MMT_Atlantean_50_event_%286%29.jpg/800px-SELNEC_bus_EX1_%28PNF_941J%29%2C_MMT_Atlantean_50_event_%286%29.jpg)
Whether that is by design or luck I can't say.
Thanks, Bernard, for your link. I've looked again at B-T's model and windscreen looks closer to the "Manchester" version rather than the NBC spec.
The body is moulded plastic but with thick corner pillars, maybe for strength, or to make it easier to fit the wing mirrors.
This model was intended to be downsized from the Britbus OO versions:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-76-Scale-Britbus-AN1-01-Ltd-Ed-Diecast-Southdown-Leyland-Atlantean-AN68-/171363224622?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item27e60b4c2e (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1-76-Scale-Britbus-AN1-01-Ltd-Ed-Diecast-Southdown-Leyland-Atlantean-AN68-/171363224622?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item27e60b4c2e)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britbus-AN1-12-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-East-Yorkshire-NBC-Red-MIMB-/180853534394?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item2a1bb5eeba (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britbus-AN1-12-Leyland-Atlantean-Bus-East-Yorkshire-NBC-Red-MIMB-/180853534394?pt=UK_ToysGames_DiecastVehicles_DiecastVehicles_JN&hash=item2a1bb5eeba)
Looks like something got "lost in translation" from OO to N for those wanting the NBC/Park Royal version.
On the other hand the B-T Models version offers another option for those wanting the earlier "Manchester" version.
There are two screws on the chassis for dismantling the model (I haven't investigated yet)
Any of you bus enthusiasts know what companies operated which buses in the Matlock area of Derbyshire in the late 50's early 60's please?
Six more planned B-T releases have been announced on the British Model Buses website. See the News page here and the item dated 10 October 2014. http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/ (http://www.britishmodelbuses.com/)
These cover London Country, Ribble, Tyne & Wear, Grey Green, Maidstone & District and Ribble again.
Something I keep wondering is that given that more people model the GWR than any other region but there are hardly any buses or coaches available or am I being blind. :hmmm:
Quote from: Caz on October 10, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
Something I keep wondering is that given that more people model the GWR than any other region but there are hardly any buses or coaches available or am I being blind. :hmmm:
None that I can think of either, as you say it is odd.
I would love to see some buses in Thames Valley Livery I did buy one of the Bachman Farish double deckers but it's far to small why did they get that wrong,
Bob
Quote from: NtasticShop on October 10, 2014, 06:44:10 PM
Quote from: Caz on October 10, 2014, 06:39:07 PM
Something I keep wondering is that given that more people model the GWR than any other region but there are hardly any buses or coaches available or am I being blind. :hmmm:
None that I can think of either, as you say it is odd.
Some investigation into the main bus operator in the Oxfordshire area in the late 50's/early 60's led me to 'Redline' but no one makes anything in their livery that's RTP :'(