Friends,
A relative who shall remain nameles because they didn't ask, has given me (3) identical of these modern carriages. (In a pawn shop window, no boxes)
(http://photos.imageevent.com/petersplatters/modelrailways3/SAM_3022.JPG)
I realise that they are Inter City but I have no idea what locomotive would be used as motive power or what the original year, livery etc.
Underneath they are stamped Grafar Britain, so I think it is safe to assume that they are not of Chinese origin! :smiley-laughing:
I have made the suggestion (to my relative) that it would be a VERY good idea to establish if I actually would like such rolling stock, it is not what I would choose! I will have to keep them because he is visiting again in 2 months and would like to see them running!
TIA Peter.
Farish Mk 3 stock, for HST sets in the late 70s/early 80s.
Quote from: tutenkhamunsleeping on April 01, 2014, 09:28:22 AM
Farish Mk 3 stock, for HST sets in the late 70s/early 80s.
Is that the loco with the flattened front painted Yellow on the nose?
Regards, Peter.
Hello again, is this the motive power that would be needed to be correct?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAHAM-FARISH-N-GAUGE-PAIR-OF-INTERCITY-125-POWER-CAR-/131105247954 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GRAHAM-FARISH-N-GAUGE-PAIR-OF-INTERCITY-125-POWER-CAR-/131105247954)
Regards, Peter.
I think your description is pretty good Peter. Class 43.
Don't know if its any help but:
Prototype class 252, Western region class 253 and Eastern Region/Scottish Region class 254.
Latest is class 43.
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254
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class 43
Roger
Mk3 coaches like that are most associated with the HST (or 125 if you prefer). If you want to make one, remember you will need a power car at each end (or a power car and a dummy in the case of Farish). These sets ran on the main lines out of Paddington, Kings Cross and St Pancras.
However, they were used on plenty of other services too. I am not sure if those coaches are branded for the HST or not but if you are will to go for "pretty close", then there are some other services you could run.
West Coast electrics out of Euston being hauled by something like a blue class 86 (Dapol) or 87 (Farish). You might want to add a Mk1 BG for guard accomodation and a restaurant car for catering.
In 2008, a very similar set ran out of Kings cross to cover stock shortages.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/)
You could also put a set behind a blue class 47 to represent the Glasgow to Edinburgh services although technically you would need a converted Mk2d BDSO at the other end (which would need to be kit-built).
Mk3s were also loco hauled, so class 47, class 86, class 87 would also sit fine with these (technically the loco hauled versions should have buffers, but the Farish model has holes in the floor for buffer mouldings to be attached - BR Lines can probably supply if you decide you want them).
HTH,
Alan
Quote from: Oldun on April 01, 2014, 10:21:06 AM
Don't know if its any help but:
Prototype class 252, Western region class 253 and Eastern Region/Scottish Region class 254.
Latest is class 43.
Roger
Just to avoid any confusion from misinterpretation of Rogers post,
253xxx and 254xxx numbers are 'set numbers' identifying the train as a whole (in the DEMU number series) If I recall correctly, 253 is two power cars+7 intermediate coaches (trailers), 254 is 2 PC+8 trailers.
43xxx numbers are the identities of individual power cars (as locomotives).
They weren't renumbered - both numbers have always been valid, just that at different times they have varied which number was considered more important and so displayed on the nose.
Quote from: Karhedron on April 01, 2014, 01:04:08 PM
In 2008, a very similar set ran out of Kings cross to cover stock shortages.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/)
That set was running for Hull Trains, replacing the 'Pioneer' unit that was dropped off the jacks during routine maintenance. Had one run on it from Doncaster (it couldn't get to Hull of course due to a lack of a long enough extension lead!) Most impressive - very smooth and swift ride...
I don't think the Mk3 has ever been bettered in terms of ride quality. I think it is probably the most comfortable stock still in service by a good margin. I am sure the manufacturers will breathe a sigh of releif when they are phased out by IEP and people not longer have a gold-standard to compare new stock to. :(
Quote from: PLD on April 01, 2014, 01:18:22 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on April 01, 2014, 01:04:08 PM
In 2008, a very similar set ran out of Kings cross to cover stock shortages.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9003948@N05/3821693066/)
That set was running for Hull Trains, replacing the 'Pioneer' unit that was dropped off the jacks during routine maintenance. Had one run on it from Doncaster (it couldn't get to Hull of course due to a lack of a long enough extension lead!) Most impressive - very smooth and swift ride...
I think we may be sending the OP off in the wrong direction here... The coaches he's acquired are HST trailers rather than loco-hauled stock.
JB
The Farish ones are kind of generic. They have buffers and are lettered for an HST. So you can turn them into either.
I was going on what the picture showed, i.e. a Mk3 trailer with no buffers :D
Quote from: jivebunny on April 01, 2014, 02:19:33 PM
I was going on what the picture showed, i.e. a Mk3 trailer with no buffers :D
Yeah thats an incomplete coach not an HST trailer - the footsteps are missing too
Quote from: EtchedPixels on April 01, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: jivebunny on April 01, 2014, 02:19:33 PM
I was going on what the picture showed, i.e. a Mk3 trailer with no buffers :D
Yeah thats an incomplete coach not an HST trailer - the footsteps are missing too
The picture shows a Western-region HST TS :hmmm:
Quote from: jivebunny on April 01, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
The picture shows a Western-region HST TS :hmmm:
Which picture - the top picture of the model is of most of a Poole Farish TS but with the step/buffer mouldings missing
Quote from: EtchedPixels on April 01, 2014, 09:44:48 PM
Quote from: jivebunny on April 01, 2014, 09:43:18 PM
The picture shows a Western-region HST TS :hmmm:
Which picture - the top picture of the model is of most of a Poole Farish TS but with the step/buffer mouldings missing
This is getting silly. The top picture shows a Poole Farish model of W 42023.
It shows *part* of a Poole W42023.. the steps and buffer moulding is missing.
As I said earlier the Farish mouldings are basically generic. They had buffers and HST markings/numberings in most cases.
You then said it had no buffers - but thats because its an incomplete model not because it didn't ship with them
It's also one of the pre-1989 models with the smaller profile body and separate window strips. The buffers used to be attached to the lower raised part of the plastic tray (below the coach and not visible through the box window) with a piece of double-sided tape. Chances are it's never had them fitted (and that they were thrown away with the box).
Quote from: EtchedPixels on April 01, 2014, 10:16:41 PM
It shows *part* of a Poole W42023.. the steps and buffer moulding is missing.
As I said earlier the Farish mouldings are basically generic. They had buffers and HST markings/numberings in most cases.
You then said it had no buffers - but thats because its an incomplete model not because it didn't ship with them
What I'm saying is that what the OP is showing us - a Mk3 with no buffers numbered W 42023 - is a Western-region HST trailer, and that the answer to the OPs question is that it would be seen in a HST formation and not behind a Class 86.
I can't imagine why Farish would have provided buffer-fitted Mk3s with the Poole HST packs, but in any case that doesn't answer the OPs question regarding what sort of formation a bufferless Mk3 would be seen in...
come on guys, please. Peter asked about what they are, he has had several great answers. Please, no more grumpies. This is such a great forum, let's keep it happy. Thanks, Bill.
Quote from: jivebunny on April 01, 2014, 11:37:28 PMI can't imagine why Farish would have provided buffer-fitted Mk3s with the Poole HST packs, but in any case that doesn't answer the OPs question regarding what sort of formation a bufferless Mk3 would be seen in...
The original Farish HST sets included one Trailer First. I can't remember whether the buffers were included in the same way as in the individual coach packs i.e. taped to the vac formed plastic tray (last year I would have been able to check, but all is lost now). You could buy the other TF, plus TSs and a TRUB separately. The TRUB was released a little while later (within a year, may have been just 6 months or so). There was never a TGS in the original series coaches, though the revised clear body shell version range did (and still does).
Bufferless coaches are for the HST of course. The problem with the old Farish model, apart from being too small in profile, was that the steps that should have been under the doors were on the same moulding as the buffers. Of course, with a sharp knife it was not too difficult to slice the buffers off then clip the step mouldings in place. Most people just didn't bother to fit them.