I'm wondering what the maximum incline is. The whole track is going to be flat but I need one run up to reach 80mm and have a straight run of 999mm, say a meter. Is that too steep?
I could start the incline about 200mm earlier in a bent but rather keep it on the straight.
Over a meter it works out roughly 5% :hmmm:
Thanks for your help, again
Ray
My maths makes that an 8% incline, or 1 in 12.5.
I have never build an incline in n gauge, but that sounds bit steep to me. The only loco I have that has a recommended max incline (that I know of) is my Eurostar set and that is a max of 4%.
Chap on this thread:
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14160.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=14160.0)
is talking about 1 in 50 and 1 in 80 gradients.
Hope that makes sense ???
Skyline2uk
I think the going rate is 3% any more and your trains will be struggling with any kind of a load.
This does not sound good!!
I set a bit of track up towards the hopper unloader and put my phone on the track which is where I got the 5% incline from. :-[ ;D
It looks like I need to start earlier meaning it'll block the view of what's behind more. This is hard work this track designing! ::)
I made a test ramp with a length of track which I propped up to the required height, I ran my smallest lightest locos up the incline, both were fine light engine but as soon as I added coaches their wheels started to spin.
It would be a good idea to do something similar if you can.
Regards
Veronica.
Quote from: Geoff on February 10, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
I think the going rate is 3% any more and your trains will be struggling with any kind of a load.
Depends on your locos and their traction. I tried 2% and whilst all of my diesals could climb it ok with a load some of my steamers could not manage 2% at all
Cheers
Dave
Quote from: DCCDave on February 10, 2014, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Geoff on February 10, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
I think the going rate is 3% any more and your trains will be struggling with any kind of a load.
Depends on your locos and their traction. I tried 2% and whilst all of my diesals could climb it ok with a load some of my steamers could not manage 2% at all
Cheers
Dave
Yep I had trouble when I first tried an incline on my layout, then I said sod it and kept it all on an even keel.
Just some insight. It's a dead end line and it will be a 4-axle shunter (2x traction bands) and it will be pushing up 8 hoppers maximum and then reverse back down again.
Is there an easy way to calculate the length of run up required in mm up to 80mm without using my brains? (just opening the 2nd bottle of Leffe Blonde)….. :beers:
Raymond just do a test and see what you can get away with, always best to test rather tan disappoint yourself later when you have tied it all down.
Hello Everyone, If I can put my penny's worth in. I have some very steep Inclines but I have no idea what % slope is but all my kato & Fleischmann Eloks go up them no problem with the Kato Glacier Express can go up no problem with a full rake of 6 coaches, Okay some of my older steam will not go up them but I have very old Arnold Mallett that does the business as well as a few others. Most of the problems I come accross are tight bends when say a long coach is to long.
My Layout is a Noch Baden Baden. with Minitrix track.
Best Regards
Babs
When I built my viaduct, I put the track on a semi circle of hardboard and tried different heights by using different height spacers. It is important that the slope joins the level track at a very gentle angle.
Quote from: Geoff on February 10, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
Raymond just do a test and see what you can get away with, always best to test rather tan disappoint yourself later when you have tied it all down.
Cheers Geoff,
I can have a run up of 1.90M if I start on the other side of the board and start the incline there. I don't want it to look out of place but I think I can only reach up to about 60mm on 4%
I'll cut some bits of wood in the workshop tomorrow and see if I can set something up to test.
I'm limited to a space of 1M+ x 2M+ as it is going to be living in my small home office...
Quote from: Malc on February 10, 2014, 08:50:50 PM
When I built my viaduct, I put the track on a semi circle of hardboard and tried different heights by using different height spacers. It is important that the slope joins the level track at a very gentle angle.
Cheers Malc,
I'll cut some scrap wood tomorrow and see what angles I can get. I'll probably use some thin ply and tack it down to the pillars to straighten it when it comes back to the straight. (if that makes sense)
Quote from: Babz on February 10, 2014, 08:49:37 PM
My Layout is a Noch Baden Baden. with Minitrix track.
Best Regards
Babs
I remember seeing the Baden Baden layout quite a number of years back. Lovely! Any pictures?
I am using the Baden Baden main station building on my layout but the track/station will not resemble Baden Baden. Also had the long Baden Baden platform but that didn't survive the move to the UK :( Need to buy that again when I start.
Hi Raymond yes it is a great layout to start with. There is some pics of my layout on the forum I will try and upload some more on Thursday. Best regards Babs
Thanks Babs,
I did a search but couldn't find it.
Quote from: Raymond on February 10, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
Quote from: Geoff on February 10, 2014, 08:46:37 PM
Raymond just do a test and see what you can get away with, always best to test rather tan disappoint yourself later when you have tied it all down.
Cheers Geoff,
I can have a run up of 1.90M if I start on the other side of the board and start the incline there. I don't want it to look out of place but I think I can only reach up to about 60mm on 4%
I'll cut some bits of wood in the workshop tomorrow and see if I can set something up to test.
I'm limited to a space of 1M+ x 2M+ as it is going to be living in my small home office...
Hi Raymond,
from my own experience, the only way to be completely sure is to try it out with the motive power and load that you intend to haul. I think I will settle on 1 in 100 (1%) because I am pulling ten coach trains with some steam engines that don't offer great traction on an incline. You may (probably will) get away with steeper inclines with a small (relatively heavy) 0-4-0.
My advice, like many others have stated already, is to try it first. Find out your absolute maximum incline that you'll get away with, and then decrease the slope slightly when you come to build it permanently. This gives you some wriggle room.
Hope that helps.
Scotty
Cheers Scotty,
I've set it up 'professionally' on kids Duplo this morning…. ;D
I don't think the incline is too bad. I can't get away with a longer run as there's track going to run round it.
The red pen shows where the incline is going to start now and the black one where the unloader is.
No idea where all the hoppers have gone but I put a couple of passenger coaches up front plus one hopper and it seems to cope with it fine. There won't be more than 6- hoppers on front as the run off after the hopper unloader is only 444mm.
(http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy195/Raymond1975UK/NGF/file_zps2718de37.jpg) (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/Raymond1975UK/media/NGF/file_zps2718de37.jpg.html)
(http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy195/Raymond1975UK/NGF/file_zps471ed023.jpg) (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/Raymond1975UK/media/NGF/file_zps471ed023.jpg.html)
Hi Raymond,
That's the way, just make sure your incline is a smooth constant slope with no dips or peaks. I'd suggest you weigh the load you pushed up the incline and compare that with the weight of your 6 wagons. The quality of the 'bearings' on the wheels makes a difference as well (ask me how I know!!) so watch out for that as well.
Scotty.
Thanks Scotty,
I'm in no position to start building/track laying yet, I just like to have it all drawn up ready to go for when I rearrange my home office to make space.
Thanks again for your help.
Ray
I started building my 1st N gauge layout last September which included and up and over run with the higher track just clearing the top of rolling stock running on the lower track below it.
Don't know the gradient or exact height but different train combinations climb the slope fine without slipping although there is a noticeable difference in engine speed and sound as they go up and then come down again. The layout has since been improved and modified with more track & scenery but the up and over section remains. I did an early (not particularly good) video of it before alteration and this shows a number of different train combinations using the figure of 8 loop. Take a look - May or may not help you decide on the elevation of yours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FkR7EwkQULw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FkR7EwkQULw)
Cheers Terry,
I 'think' it's kind of sorted now… famous last words….
Hope you're enjoying the weather. 27ºC last Friday in Corralejo. (At least that's what one of them signs near the beach said) Back home now in sleet and rain and a lovely temperature of 3ºC….. :thumbsdown:
High Terry, I really like your layout which I watched on you tube, a lot happening all the time thank you for sharing :thankyousign: :thankyousign:
Babs
Quote from: Babz on February 11, 2014, 08:28:31 PM
High Terry, I really like your layout which I watched on you tube, a lot happening all the time thank you for sharing :thankyousign: :thankyousign:
Babs
Thanks for that - will make a new (hopefully better) video when I have finished the current changes I am making. Watch this space.
A bit more planning done (head scratching)
As I'm very limited with space I thought of having a 1 flight helix instead which should get me about 65mm I recon. It'll all be covered by a mountain / tunnel eventually btw.
The red thing is the hopper loader/unloader and the shortest outlined track should be able to hold 6 hoppers on past the unloader.
Any thoughts?
(http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy195/Raymond1975UK/NGF/file_zps4039a038.jpg) (http://s791.photobucket.com/user/Raymond1975UK/media/NGF/file_zps4039a038.jpg.html)