Having recently received my two first NGS RTR models, the Inspection saloon (maroon) and Stove R (maroon) - see my post in 'Show your latest purchase' - I must say I am extremely impressed with the quality.
I will definitely be ordering a Queen Mary, and like the look of the snowploughs as well, but I fear they may be after my modelled era. I am modelling BR 1950's up to the blue period, 1966. Could I get away with one just sneaking in during the early 60s? Or did they not start appearing until after 1966?
I am totally in the dark about this and help will be most appreciated.
My thanks go to those folk who responded to my query as to motive power for my inspection saloon! However, to date, I haven't heard anything about the sort of train I should be assigning my BR maroon Stove R to. Once again, :help:
George
I have the plain black NGS Independent Snowplough, to represent one of the 8 snowploughs Eastleigh converted from Schools tenders in 1964/65, one of which could be seen, if one was lucky as the moved it about a bit, in Brighton yard. Paul Bartlett has a picture of one (possibly incomplete as it is in withdrawn condition and on a low transport wagon) on his wagon site at http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/snowplough/hae0143a#hae0143a (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/snowplough/hae0143a#hae0143a).
The independent snowplough modelled by the NGS I believe is one of the ones built from LNER V2 tenders for the ER, LMR and WR in 1964/65, so yes, one can get away with having one of these snowploughs in your timeframe...
Cool! Thanks for that! I kinda like the ones with the hazard stripes, but I guess it'll have to be the plain black one. No matter, that's still OK!
Cheers! :beers:
George
Regarding the QM's, they're wonderful models as well. Highly recommended. :)
The snow ploughs should also be quite a novelty in Oz. As the Dunny Man would be here in the UK.
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Thanks! NGS hasn't got the full online pay system operating yet, but I know the people involved there are working on it. The 'half system' they have operating at the moment is working fine - as you know, my purchases arrived here in Aus safe and sound.
I have enough experience in business and life to realise that operating the NGS shop is a major operation, and to all involved, I offer a warm thank you! I can now order the excellent RTR products.
OK.... New Year..... bring on the QM's and snowploughs!
To anyone reading this, all the very best for 2014!
George
Hi George,
I bought mine at the Stockport Show and was told that for my era (late steam/early diesel) the correct one was black with hazard stripes - reference NGK42-10.
Hope this helps
I bought the wrong black snowplough, I wanted the black one with wasp stripes to suit the 70's & 80's, but ened up with solid black one.
The descriptions dont quite match up with the line up pictures, so can prove difficult to order the correct one.
Have you swapped it?
Hello George,
The NGS represents the 50-odd snowploughs built to a new standard BR design from, I think, around 1962. The first were delivered in plain black with diesel loco style lettering in yellow. During the mid 1960s the ploughs received hazard striping.
Andy,
No one wants you to have the wrong model, so please contact the shop and arrange to swap your model for the one you want. You could probably arrange to do this at a show the NGS display stand is attending to save on postage.
Having said at, the plain black has been a very good seller and I think has long since sold out in its original version (though another run has since been done.)
You could eBay the one you have, then order the correct one and possibly make a profit. I have seen snowploughs go for more than the combined cost of the model and NGS membership - crazy!!
Cheers
Ben A.
(NGS VP)
No not swapped it. It's from the 2nd batch of black ones -9. The -9 threw me at first as I knew I definitely didnt order that mark.
Ben, I did get in contact with Ray about doing a swap but that was before Carol's illness and the xmas shutdown, but haven't got back in touch again about what I was going to do as I did order the wrong item -5, -2 Ray told me was probably the one I really wanted. (Great service to a dim customer, the shop staff always seem to go that extra mile!)
Guess I could ebay it and be mercenary about hopefully making a bob or two.
Quote from: Ben A on December 30, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
No one wants you to have the wrong model, so please contact the shop and arrange to swap your model for the one you want.
Very good of you Ben A. :thumbsup:
Could someone post me a picture of the NGS Snowplough NGK42-2 please, to check its the right livery before I re-order another one.
I've stuck the wrongly ordered ones up on ebay last night.
And the product listings for the snowploughs is still wrong, ngk42-9 is plain black, replacement for NGK42-5 apparently, rather than RFD Snow Queen as listed.
BenA(on any other NGS officer), if your reading this can the the artwork for the snowploughs be put back up again, as the group photo is not in the same order as the list below it.
The product descriptions in the shop listing are a bit vague too.
Hi Andy
Which product listing are you looking at?
The shop listing on the website at: http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=ngs-shop-ngs-6-13 (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=ngs-shop-ngs-6-13) has the following:
NGK422 SNOWPLOUGH BR BACK + HAZARD STRIP £15.90
NGK423 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLUE £15.90
NGK424 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLACK WITH STAG £15.90
NGK425 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLACK - 1970/80'S £15.90
NGK426 SNOWPLOUGH - RFD "SNOW KING" - TINS £15.90
NGK427 SNOWPLOUGH - RAILTRACK BLACK £15.90
NGK428 SNOWPLOUGH - NETWORK RAIL - BLACK £15.90
NGK429 SNOWPLOUGH-RFD "SNOW QUEEN" - TINS (NGK965309) £15.90
NGK430 SNOWPLOUGH - EASTFIELD "SCOTTY DOG" (NGK965217) £15.90
Which is the same as the details on this page: http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=recent-products (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=recent-products) (Scroll down for the snowplough - it also contains some pics and more details).
All the information I have from the Shop still says 429 is Snow Queen.
I assume you want either 422 or 425, both should be correct for the 70s. The best thing to do is check directly with the shop.
Cheers, Mike
(NGS Product Development Officer)
Quote from: red_death on January 31, 2014, 12:32:11 PM
Hi Andy
Which product listing are you looking at?
The shop listing on the website at: http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=ngs-shop-ngs-6-13 (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=ngs-shop-ngs-6-13) has the following:
NGK422 SNOWPLOUGH BR BACK + HAZARD STRIP £15.90
NGK423 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLUE £15.90
NGK424 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLACK WITH STAG £15.90
NGK425 SNOWPLOUGH - BR BLACK - 1970/80'S £15.90
NGK426 SNOWPLOUGH - RFD "SNOW KING" - TINS £15.90
NGK427 SNOWPLOUGH - RAILTRACK BLACK £15.90
NGK428 SNOWPLOUGH - NETWORK RAIL - BLACK £15.90
NGK429 SNOWPLOUGH-RFD "SNOW QUEEN" - TINS (NGK965309) £15.90
NGK430 SNOWPLOUGH - EASTFIELD "SCOTTY DOG" (NGK965217) £15.90
Which is the same as the details on this page: http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=recent-products (http://www.ngaugesociety.com/index.php?page=recent-products) (Scroll down for the snowplough - it also contains some pics and more details).
All the information I have from the Shop still says 429 is Snow Queen.
I assume you want either 422 or 425, both should be correct for the 70s. The best thing to do is check directly with the shop.
Cheers, Mike
(NGS Product Development Officer)
ok Mike, I talked with Ray in the shop around xmas time about this already, because I ordered a 42-5 which Ray told me was OOS and replaced by this one 42-9 [smg id=9958] [smg id=9957].
which turns out is not like the one I wanted at all, 42-2 it seems is the one I want.
The recent products page you linked to is the one I was on about, ie the picture order does not seem to match the list order below it. and there are no side shots either. hence the request for the artwork to be put up instead.
Hmmm, in the sales data I have 429 is definitely Snow Queen so it sounds as though some labelling has gone wrong.
I would go back to Ray and ask for the correct one!
Cheers, Mike
Mike,
not going to swap them as it was my mistake ordering the wrong one in the first place, the description sounded right, but alas it didn't prove to be what I expected it to be, besides it wouldn't seem right spending all that postage cost for both men and the shop over something that was not their fault.
All I want is a picture of the 42-2 so I know what I'm going to get (hopefully) this time :hmmm:
Hi all,
I received a couple of ploughs yesterday and have the same issue with 42-9, after ordering 42-5 (which I assume has sold out). Andy mentions above 42-9 being a replacement for 42-5, but I am assuming it can't be:
This is an image of 42-5 (70s/80s BR Black) taken from an eBay auction, it is numbered ADB965196:
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/mike_tcb/Trains/42-5_zpscffec675.jpg)
And the one I've been sent (numbered DB965205) is in the same colour scheme as the one on the far left of this picture:
(http://www.ngaugesociety.com/uploads/images/RTRwagons/Snowplough/snowploughfrontsweb.jpg)
I'm not too bothered (edit: will try to exchange for another BR Blue one) but just wanted to point it out as happening again to help anyone who might be ordering a plough, be it 60s or 70s/80s.
For the avoidance of doubt, this is not a criticism of the NGS shop or the society at all, they offer a fantastic service and I've bought a good few kits etc from them.
Quote from: ParkeNd on December 30, 2013, 10:20:42 AM
The snow ploughs should also be quite a novelty in Oz. As the Dunny Man would be here in the UK.
Just caught up with this and realise I'm getting old! My Great Aunt lived in a terrace in a Wiltshire village, when she was 65 (1956) they installed mains drainage at a cost of £30, she decided she wasn't going to last long and it wasn't worth it, she died aged 84 and we had to hold our noses as the bucket had to be brought through the house for all those years! :poop: happens, it sure did!
Stove R usage.
In Larkin's 'BR general parcels rolling stock', he says that they were used in passenger trains, as one would expect from the fact they had end gangways. They could also be used in parcels trains. Photos in use seem rare, though I haven't looked on Paul Bartlett's site before writing this reply. Tatlow's 'Historic carriage drawings Vol 3' states that the actual stoves were not fitted until wartime usage mean that these vans could be found marshalled in non-steam heated trains. It was only then they became known as 'Stove R'. I'm not sure, but I think they could have been used as the guard's accommodation in trains such as one consisting of milk tanks, where, if they were used, presumably they gave a better ride at high speed, as opposed to that of a 4-wheel Guard's van.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on June 13, 2014, 08:52:27 PM
Stove R usage.
In Larkin's 'BR general parcels rolling stock', he says that they were used in passenger trains, as one would expect from the fact they had end gangways. They could also be used in parcels trains. Photos in use seem rare, though I haven't looked on Paul Bartlett's site before writing this reply. Tatlow's 'Historic carriage drawings Vol 3' states that the actual stoves were not fitted until wartime usage mean that these vans could be found marshalled in non-steam heated trains. It was only then they became known as 'Stove R'. I'm not sure, but I think they could have been used as the guard's accommodation in trains such as one consisting of milk tanks, where, if they were used, presumably they gave a better ride at high speed, as opposed to that of a 4-wheel Guard's van.
Martyn
Just seen this Martyn. I think that the freight trains that ran at express or passenger timings were actually required to have a passenger rated brake vehicle, rather than a goods brake van. I have more than a few photos of fish trains that included a BG or similar in the formation. More often than not it wasn't at the end of the train either, but about two thirds down from the head of the train.
Quote from: Thebigshot on January 14, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
Hi Guys
Decided to order one from the store I hope it's as good as am expecting what do you guys think of yours.
Thanks
Hi
It's a very nice model and the only issue I have with it is the over scale lamp irons but I can understand why they are the way they are.
Cheers
Paul
Yes I have two, and very pleased with them. Yes the lamp irons are a bit over scale, but acceptable enough.