Looking at kits of houses/terraces/cottages, they have gutters and downpipes for rainwater, but I don't recall seeing any waste water pipes which are larger therefore surely more prominent. A hefty pipe from the bog with an extension going above the gutter line, and usually at least two smaller pipes running from it to bath and washbasin outlets and a similar pipe or two from kitchen sink etc ; no sign of any frosted glass windows either
I'bve added some suitable "pipework" on my most recent kit bash and wondering if it's worth adding to earlier builds..
They could all have internal waste pipes like my house.
Regards
Steve
We have internal pipework too, but it's a damn good observation nonetheless :thumbsup:
Trying to add in as much detail as possible on my houses - net curtains, TV aerials, even the odd satellite dish being the early 90s. Also inkeeping with the era there has to be at least one house with tasteless stone cladding :D
Paul
It tends to be more of the suburban housing estates of the early 80s and beyond where it was discovered it was alot cheap to have external pipes. Im not saying that houses before this date wouldnt have it but certainly it seems around then that it occured. It would also normally be on the side or the rear of the house. I cant say ive ever seen it on the front but its always possible.
Richard
Generally speaking:
Front - Rainwater Downpipes & the odd sink/washing machine waste pipe
Rear/sides - Rainwater Downpipes & Waste pipes
Bit more specific:
Terraced - Waste rear (External) & linked downpipe every 3-4 properties (front & rear)
For 50's - 80's suburban houses typically waste at the rear (external)
80's onwards - Internal waste all round (bar sink/washing machine/dishwasher at rear/front)
90's onwards - whatever's cheapest
Mine's 1912 detached waste pipes are on the side between houses, some washbasins have been put in the bedrooms and a downstairs loo so there's quiite a few branches!
Mid 90s little box here, every thing outside.
Kitchen at front(boiler in kitchen), loo and bathroom waste at side just back from the meter cupboards.
No chimney or TV aerial, just sat dish on rear wall.
Any chance of a photo of your kitbash, Dorsetmike?
George
Which one?
I'll try and do some pics tomorrow, got to go out probably afternooon, so it may be Friday before I can point the camera around
In recent months I've straightened the Metcalfe corner pub, put etched windows and doors in the low relief stone terrace, cloned the same terrace and added the back half, hacked one of the semis, got another to do, currently doing a brick version of the 4 house terrace. I've got enough parts cut for anther one or two stone terraces and more brick ones - with different coloured bricks. I've got different porches, and rear extensions so I can make quite a few different versions.
The "basic" Metcalfe terrace going from eft to right (front view) has door, window, door, window, door, window, door, window, I can reverse that, or have window, door, door, window, etc I have single or double porches I can replace the doors with, or use Scalelink cast bays, (single or double storey) I also have Scalelink dormers if I want, windows and doors I use Peedie etched, at the rear I can have no extension, or a small extension or a large one, single or double storey again.
I can just get two 6 house terrace fronts, rears and ends on an A4 sheet. I start to run into problems though with the number of windows and chimneys, my last two orders for etches and castings came to over £100 that should keep me going for a week or two. I have tried printing window frames to vinyl labels and sticking them to transparency, I may try that again now I've climbed the plotter cutter learning curve a bit further, previously the corners were not square enough.
I can use any of the Scalescenes or Railway Scenics brick, stone, or tile papers
It's an interesting point this one. Is it something that can be put down to the scale?
When I've gone along to exhibitions such things are noticed on the much larger scales such as 0 scale and 00, where as with N gauge is it seems to me a case of going for an overall general appearance.
While its encouraging to see fine detail in N, I was always lead to believe N gauge is a "in the distance" sort of view. It's got me thinking now.
It is all a matter of opinion (said the man with a wooden leg :D).
I have been involved with N since 1980, and to me, all HO/OO stuff seem like toys. Like handling huge chunks of plastic with wheels on the bottom.
:thumbsup: :NGaugersRule:
Re photo request from Bealman, I'm opening a new thread "Buildings hack, bash 'n scratch"
And another thing --- "gullies" and flashing on roofs, always used to be lead, Metcalfe provide ridge tiles in the kits,usually a choice of grey or red, neither look like a piece of lead but they are somewhere near the right width, experimented with various shades pf grey, none looked quite right not "metallic" enough, silver looks too shiny,
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wot abart "oily steel", bit better but too dark so add touches of white until I get a shade that suits me. Paint a couple of Metcalfe ridge tile strips and stick in the gullies. Now to try cutting zig zag lines on one edge for flashing.
Foil (dull side out) is also an option IMHO
Quote from: EtchedPixels on November 29, 2013, 11:28:02 PM
Foil (dull side out) is also an option IMHO
True,but it's out in the kitchen, 'tother end of the house :o
Don't forget the really classy modern add-ons like painted stone cladding, plastic Doric columns either side of front doors, extensions to the extensions, garages converted into flats for rent, inflatable swimming pools, and plastic chairs and picnic tables by the front door for drinks after work. All part of the accurate urban scene.
Luckily I don't do modern.. :-X
The soil pipes of course!!! I may now need to revisit some of my buildings, luckily many of my terraced houses have ouside privies so no problem there then.
Jerry
Quote from: ParkeNd on November 30, 2013, 09:54:09 AM
Don't forget the really classy modern add-ons like painted stone cladding, plastic Doric columns either side of front doors, extensions to the extensions, garages converted into flats for rent, inflatable swimming pools, and plastic chairs and picnic tables by the front door for drinks after work. All part of the accurate urban scene.
Not for me either, 1930s, decent sized gardens (6 houses to the acre was crowded - except for older Victorian terraces) greenhouses, sheds, vegetable plots, fish ponds - must try one of those! And don't forget Bungalows, not much in the way of models of those, the Peco offering is hardly typical.
And if you're modelling anything this millennium then it is de rigeur to have a trampoline in any back garden, no matter how small the garden...
Quote from: Leo1961 on November 30, 2013, 11:16:34 AM
And if you're modelling anything this millennium then it is de rigeur to have a trampoline in any back garden, no matter how small the garden...
So true, here in Italy we have fellow ex-pat friends who have 3 boys. The Trampoline takes up 75% of their courtyard garden!!
Daughter & family in the UK had one up until the gales on 28th Oct when we watched it take off like a huge fling saucer :laugh: Well I laughed!
Quote from: Sprintex on November 27, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
We have internal pipework too, but it's a damn good observation nonetheless :thumbsup:
Trying to add in as much detail as possible on my houses - net curtains, TV aerials, even the odd satellite dish being the early 90s. Also in keeping with the era there has to be at least one house with tasteless stone cladding :D
Paul, if you're doing the early 1990s then you might also want to think about adding a 'squarial', one of British Satellite Broadcasting's high quality satellite dishes before the Sky takeover. They continued to work with the Sky signal for at least a couple of years afterwards.
Quote from: ParkeNd on November 30, 2013, 09:54:09 AM
Don't forget the really classy modern add-ons like painted stone cladding, plastic Doric columns either side of front doors, extensions to the extensions, garages converted into flats for rent, inflatable swimming pools, and plastic chairs and picnic tables by the front door for drinks after work. All part of the accurate urban scene.
I must admit that on my recent trip to the UK, that sort of thing did not go unnoticed.
At least we have the weather for such silliness here in Australia - though I'm still not sure it is an excuse. :D
I'll chuck another missed detailing item in the mix.... Coal bunkers !
My parents house was built in the 50's buy the local council and all the same style houses had coal bunkers in the back garden. They were made of concrete blocks, have a big hinged flat steel roof and a wooden door.
I thought i'd mention it as that coal bunker has a lot of childhood memories for for me as a launch pad for my matchbox racing track, a broken foot (after jumping off it and landing awkwardly... :doh:) and knocking it down to build a BBQ ! :food:
Coal bunkers oh memories!. The Scalescenes "add on" for terrace houses "features" a coal hole door in the outside wall for topping up by your local carbon delivery agent.
Jerry
My grandparents used to have one of those. It was a reinforced concrete construction with a top filling hatch and front hatch to shovel the coal out of. Its something you only tend to see in really rural areas now given most areas are gas supplied.
One other thing is the Garden shed. Just looking round the gardens here out of 14 houses 12 have sheds! Mind you at least 9 also have consevertories too.
Richard
Quote from: 4x2 on December 01, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
I'll chuck another missed detailing item in the mix.... Coal bunkers !
My parents house was built in the 50's buy the local council and all the same style houses had coal bunkers in the back garden. They were made of concrete blocks, have a big hinged flat steel roof and a wooden door.
I thought i'd mention it as that coal bunker has a lot of childhood memories for for me as a launch pad for my matchbox racing track, a broken foot (after jumping off it and landing awkwardly... :doh:) and knocking it down to build a BBQ ! :food:
I have heard rumours that NewportNobby kept his coal in the bath tub... :-\
OMG nostalgia for coal bunkers.... wot's the world comin' to :uneasy:
We're a weird lot, us model railwayheads!
We had a home-made concrete coal bunker in the front garden right into the seventies after my father blocked up the old coal chute underneath the front door step. :D Ah, the memories.
I remember ours was "out the back" but can't for the life of me recall if it was concrete, brick or timber. I'm thinking maybe hack one of he Peco sleeper built buffers, make trhe top of the sides a straight slope not stepped,add a timber lid with a couple of long hinges and a sliding small door at the fron, if it scales a bit big either cut it down or do a scaled down copy from "timber planks" plastic sheet or plain plastic sheet with brick paper or concrete paper.
Puts on thinking cap and checks out sizes also checks the plastic sheet drawer, see what's in there.
Wow, outside coal bunkers! We had to open a trapdoor in the living room floor, go down the rotten steps and shovel up the coal from the cellar. The coal men used to deliver it through a round metal "manhole" in the street outside the front window, and it slid down a chute into the cellar. Made my bike filthy too.
That sounds like an entirely normal Victorian coal hole and cellar. Apart from growing up in a house with one of those (the cellar had been partly walled off and turned into a storage cellar), I also rented a shabby old Victorian place in London a couple of years ago, with coal hole still intact:
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Unfortunately, the first heavy rain saw the cellar flooded, so the landlord came around and sealed it off with a ruddy great paving stone on top.
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Quote from: Kipper on December 02, 2013, 07:32:20 PM
Wow, outside coal bunkers! We had to open a trapdoor in the living room floor, go down the rotten steps and shovel up the coal from the cellar. The coal men used to deliver it through a round metal "manhole" in the street outside the front window, and it slid down a chute into the cellar. Made my bike filthy too.
That seems to have been the pattern here too. A lot of the Swansea houses still have the former coal hole entrance visible, in some cases its been glazed so the cellar gets light. Most of ours seem to have been square and more like pub cellar doors.
Now that's an idea... barrels in the basement, bar in the lounge, coal cellar hatch re-opened :beers:
Now THAT'S an excellent idea. :beers:
It seems that we lived in luxury compared to you folk, then.... in 1964 a young Bealman moved into a new council house in the North East of England, which had a matching brick outhouse with a coal HOUSE next door to it! Full size door and everything. You could actually walk into it! And kip in it, as Bealman Senior had to one night when Bealman's mam wouldnt let him in 'cos he was p.... well, you know. ;D
P...leased to see her? :D
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: EXACTLY what I meant!! :beers:
Downside of the coal hole, these days, is the ease of access for those of a scrote nature, who come in that way to burgle your house. Now need a bolt on the trapdoor, and put the sofa over it (to avoid tripping over the bolt!).