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Title: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 09, 2013, 07:36:13 PM
I decided to see if my newest class 47 could pull all my freight rolling stock instead of working.

N gauge Graham Farish class 47 47403 'The Geordie' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGdHi3enHsY#)

A railway layout on the desk was a good idea, honest...
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Lawrence on October 10, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
Some nicely weathered stock there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Brooksy on October 10, 2013, 10:54:31 AM
Nice!  :D

Question though: having just read on another thread about realistic coal loads, how are the loads on your Yeoman PGA hoppers done? I've got a few empties that need filling.

Cheers,

Brooksy
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 10, 2013, 07:15:09 PM
Quote from: Brooksy on October 10, 2013, 10:54:31 AM
Nice!  :D

Question though: having just read on another thread about realistic coal loads, how are the loads on your Yeoman PGA hoppers done? I've got a few empties that need filling.

Cheers,

Brooksy

They are a little card template I made to fill the void which is roughly hexagonal, this is folded so that you have a rectangular section with two trapezoid 'wings' folded down to make an upside down triangular prism.  They sit in the wagon about 2 or 3 mm below the rave so the gravel/coal can be piled up a bit. I smeared PVA all over the rectangular face and dunked the face into Noch N gauge ballast. Once this was dry, I squirted a sausage of PVA up the middle of the load, then put on more ballast, this creates the 'hump' you'd expect from loading, then covered the whole thing once this hump was dry. You can manipulate the PVA ballast mix quite easily when it is still wet. I tried sealing it in place with a thinned coat of PVA but it made it too glossy so I jibbed that off - when the wagons get cat-attacked and fall on their side, I lose a tiny amount of ballast...no big deal though.
One word of warning, the gravel may make the load too long/wide to fit the wagon, I think I trimmed it up with a Stanley blade once it was all hard dry to make it go.
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Brooksy on October 10, 2013, 07:21:38 PM
Quote from: d-a-n on October 10, 2013, 07:15:09 PM
They are a little card template I made to fill the void which is roughly hexagonal, this is folded so that you have a rectangular section with two trapezoid 'wings' folded down to make an upside down triangular prism.  They sit in the wagon about 2 or 3 mm below the rave so the gravel/coal can be piled up a bit. I smeared PVA all over the rectangular face and dunked the face into Noch N gauge ballast. Once this was dry, I squirted a sausage of PVA up the middle of the load, then put on more ballast, this creates the 'hump' you'd expect from loading, then covered the whole thing once this hump was dry. You can manipulate the PVA ballast mix quite easily when it is still wet. I tried sealing it in place with a thinned coat of PVA but it made it too glossy so I jibbed that off - when the wagons get cat-attacked and fall on their side, I lose a tiny amount of ballast...no big deal though.
One word of warning, the gravel may make the load too long/wide to fit the wagon, I think I trimmed it up with a Stanley blade once it was all hard dry to make it go.

Thanks for the explanation - I'll give it a go 
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 10, 2013, 07:56:06 PM
What wagons are you filling, if it's these PGAs, I could provide a set of dimensions for a template  :)
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Brooksy on October 10, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: d-a-n on October 10, 2013, 07:56:06 PM
What wagons are you filling, if it's these PGAs, I could provide a set of dimensions for a template  :)

Yeah - they're the Yeoman PGAs same as yours so the dimensions would be mighty handy - save measuring them out myself.   :thankyousign:

Cheers,

Brooksy
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: petercharlesfagg on October 11, 2013, 09:57:40 AM
Quote from: d-a-n on October 09, 2013, 07:36:13 PM
I decided to see if my newest class 47 could pull all my freight rolling stock instead of working.

N gauge Graham Farish class 47 47403 'The Geordie' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGdHi3enHsY#)

A railway layout on the desk was a good idea, honest...

Always amazes me just what these modern locomotives are capable of pulling.  As a boy my Tri-ang locomotives sometimes had difficulties with 6 carriages, even with Magnadhesion!

Nice video but?????

You sure that the music is Malcolm Arnold my album states that it was Gerard Hoffnung?

Regards, Peter.
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 13, 2013, 08:14:02 AM
Quote from: petercharlesfagg on October 11, 2013, 09:57:40 AM

You sure that the music is Malcolm Arnold my album states that it was Gerard Hoffnung?

Regards, Peter.

100% that it's Arnold, Hoffnung used it at his first 'Hoffnung Festival'. MP3 tagging of classical music always throws up a lot of information about composer, conductor and band and not always in a standardised format. Apparently, my 'Piano concerto No.2' is by the BBC Symphony Orchestra and not Brahms according to the information given by iTunes...
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 13, 2013, 08:40:46 AM
Quote from: Brooksy on October 10, 2013, 08:17:06 PM
Quote from: d-a-n on October 10, 2013, 07:56:06 PM
What wagons are you filling, if it's these PGAs, I could provide a set of dimensions for a template  :)

Yeah - they're the Yeoman PGAs same as yours so the dimensions would be mighty handy - save measuring them out myself.   :thankyousign:

Cheers,

Brooksy

Can't find my template but I have done a few pictures (using an out of scale post it note as a guide!)

Start with a rectangle of thin card (I used something as thick as photo paper) and measure out a 37mm x 33mm rectangle

Mark out at 10mm and 23mm across from left hand side, top and bottom

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Rule off between marks for two parallel lines

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Fold, this may need some scoring to assist the folding

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Mark off at 7mm down the long edge and join this mark with the top of the fold.

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Cut off the corners and bring the two 'wings' up together and fix together with a bit sticky tape to make a triangular prism.

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Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Jerry Howlett on October 13, 2013, 05:04:19 PM
Now I know what to do with my past their sell by date Lasagne sheets!  :doh:

Seriously a very gallant effort.

Jerry
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: PostModN66 on October 13, 2013, 05:55:02 PM
A good way of building up the "hump" for mineral loads is to use a blob of "No More Nails" - you can sculpt it do the shape of load you require, then when dry smear with PVA and sprinkle on your ballast, crushed coal or whatever.

Cheers   Jon    :)
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: OwL on October 13, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
Nice little video and a good waste of time :thumbsup:

Please elaborate about the 'cat attacked wagons ???' Do you have a N gauge hating moggy?
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: d-a-n on October 14, 2013, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: OwL on October 13, 2013, 09:13:12 PM
Nice little video and a good waste of time :thumbsup:

Please elaborate about the 'cat attacked wagons ???' Do you have a N gauge hating moggy?

Nice one  :thumbsup:

We have a pair of three year old sister cats who still think they're kittens - they sit in awe of the little trains, staring them down until they realise the train won't back off, then occasionally take a swipe. The 47 in the video was left running in and I returned to the office to find it on it's side just moments later. A cat wasn't even in the room when I left it running!
Title: Re: Utter stupidity
Post by: Jerry Howlett on October 14, 2013, 06:07:54 PM
We don't even own a cat, in fact we have 2 dogs. Entered the train room yesterday to see a black moggie exiting stage left and found 2 derailed trains plus a row of houses minus chimneys.  Perhaps moggies are gricers in a second life....