Scary stuff about the riots. Croydon with is just a few miles away from me has lots of trouble, and apparently Purley Tesco's is having trouble. That's one mile away from me!!!
Is anyone else near the troubled areas?
Nowhere near the current ones (and that is a bit close to you for comfort), but we have them down the road about a mile away every so often at the good old "sectarian interface". This is Belfast, though, not London :smiley-laughing:
Keep the head down, Tank, and keep the family safe. I'm sending you positive energy.
Lesmond
Thanks Les! Yes, I'm guessing you'd be used to rioting over there! :) I'm just glad I'm out of the main part of Croydon. All of these gangs are so pathetic. What is all of this for?! I mean the real reason, and not for the police shooting that man.
We love a good riot over here :smiley-laughing:.
I'm glad you're well out of it, hopefully it stays that way. Gangs and all that nonsense really are pathetic, it's much the same over here, just d***ks trying to be hard men.
Dear knows what the real reasons are, I doubt it has much to do with that bloke getting shot, although he seems to be a great excuse.
Les
Just got the latest news from home on Aussie News, seems there has been a shooting at Croydon so Chris stay safe as our thoughts are with you.
Any of those guys throwing stuff at the police or looting shops should be used for target practice by police, army or any of the services. Behaviour like that needs stamped on hard and fast, there are far too many doo gooders in this country, it's about time some discipline was instilled into those rioters.
Like they do in Syria you mean?
This lot in London are not fighting to depose a dictator, this lot are doing it just to cause trouble.
But you want the authorities to deal with them in the same way as an evil dictator does. Shoot them down in the streets? Maybe send the tanks in like the Chinese do?
I don't think tanks would be necessary, that's a bit too much.
When they were interviewing people on the news they were saying the rioters had no respect for life.
What I saw on the news coverage showed they had no respect for anyone.
They are supposed to have arrested over two hundred rioters.
I wonder how many slaps on wrists will be handed out?
You may find it strange but I abhor violence, I don't know how else they are going to get this lot under control.
I'd prefer we did it the British way and send more riot police and police horses in. The army should have been sent in yesterday to back up the police numbers as they seem woefully short.
I expect the convicted rioters will get long stretches in prison and not a slap on the wrist. If there are any prison spaces left to put them in that is.
I'd hate it if this country started to behave like the dictatorships and started shooting people. I believe that not only would that not work, but would make the situation a hundred times worse.
You are correct, it more than likely would make it worse.
I was venting frustration more than anything else.
I apologise for mouthing off like that it was not called for.
Time for bed said Zebedee!
I heard on Aussie TV that the British riots are caused by the widening gap between the Have's and have nots if that is the case its only a matter of time before we have riots over here.
Lots of homeless people with families living in cars and on the streets, rents to high so families are living in tents, the lucky country of Oz is lucky no more, hob nobs making a fortune out of shares in oil companies and supermarkets, every day prices increasing all the time, on top of that we have racial problems, what the future brings to a capitalist country like Oz is anyones guess but I don't think its going to be pretty.
Maybe I am just an old fart but I am pleased to be 68 years old as I would not like to be young these days.
Being a teacher - albiet in the middle of nowhere - I get to see how the young view things like this. Shock was one - most of them see Britain as the place where our system of Law and Order come from and to see it break down like this. But then they look closer and it does come down to a lack of respect. I don't know who is "responsible" but from what I see it tends to be the ones who don't have anyone at home (both working - in some cases out of necessity but not really as I have four kids and my wife stays home and we survive on just my income by making do and going without. Good example is I am on an enforced no train purchase kick for this quarter = July 1-Sept 30) to keep them out of trouble. As they get into trouble inevitably the "enemy" is no longer the old fart at home but the bloke in the blue hat - and he has mates so it becomes gang v gang and a gang tends to operate at the lowest common denominator which pretty much explains it.
Crazy stuff from this distance for sure.
Well I gave up staying awake last night. I have a few friends without homes now, lots who didn't get any sleep, and most of my friends are off to work in Croydon - including my wife. I can't believe there were so many fires. The army definitely need to get involved so that we have the numbers on the street. I can't believe how many towns and cities were involved. And all of it for no reason other than looting and arson. >:(
A new police tactic (for the British anyway) was used last night to use armoured police cars/vans to charge through the barricades with the riot police behind. It worked, and they are thinking of adopting it into future training.
I think the lack of respect for anything and anyone has been getting worse with each generation since the widespread adoption of the theory that children should be allowed to "find themselves" and generally do what they like without restrictions.
There just seems to be an indifference amongst a lot of parents as to what is acceptable behavior and what isn't and if parents don't instill some "right from wrong" starting at an early age,who is?
I'm afraid I'm very old school and believe parents should be able to chastise their children,I'm not condoning violence and ill treatment,but a slap on the legs when warranted at an early age does tend to get children to do as they're told.
There's a lot of truth in the old saying...."spare the rod and spoil the child"
Allan
I think it is wrong to rear children without some form of punishment it only creates a lack of respect.
I remember my Granddaughter telling my Son in Law that if he laid a finger on her she would bring the full force of the law down on him, she was only 12 years old.
Thankfully not all families are the same but many I know the parents are more interested in having a good time and going on shopping binges instead of devoting time to their kids, many think that the only effort they need for bringing kids up is to buy them take away food, shove them in front of a TV with a Playstation and allow them to play violent games.
I worked part time in a Pawnbrokers shop and saw many parents buy 15+ games for kids no older than 6 or 7, no wonder these riots are happening, its because some kids are totally screwed up in the head.
I also believe that for every family like that there are a whole lot more that do a great job bringing their kids up but as usual its the minority that get the rest a bad name.
Quote from: Bikeracer on August 09, 2011, 08:54:35 AM
There's a lot of truth in the old saying...."spare the rod and spoil the child"
Allan
I'm sorry, but I dont believe there is any place for violence to be inflicted upon children.
Kirky
I seem to recall reading this somewhere and I tried to bring my kids up by putting it into action.
Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish him with a rod he will not die,
Punish him with a rod and save his soul from death.
"Spare the rod and spoil the child" was not meant as a literal statement.
If you read my post you'll see that I don't condone violence and never will,but a lack of some form of chastisement in childhood is now being seen in the riots.
Allan
I still cannot understand why our governments are so reluctant to use water cannons?
And, my Aussie friend, I am totally in tune with you. I'm 71 and have no desire to be a young'un in this forthcoming world!!!
My dad never spared the rod, either. When I was 5, I learned a new word, c**t, and called him it one day. I wasn't able to sit for a week, but I never swore at him again 'til the day he died.
Neither of my lads has brought trouble to my door, either! :smiley-laughing:
Too many parents with poliss's mindset, too! ::)
There is no way the army should be called in, they have enough on their hands as it is, it's always the easy option isn't it? get the troops in when there is a problem, like clearing snow last winter for example, because due to Government cuts there are not enough public services to cope. Like the last few days in London, not enough police or firemen, with the correct equipment, to deal with the situations effectively. So people immediately call for our under funded, under resourced, under paid and overstretched forces to come in and bail out bad governance, whilst waiting for their redundancy notices in their inbox! >:( >:(
I think I agree with the last speaker. This is not a military conflict/war.
Nevertheless, it has to be stopped by whatever means necessary. The government must keep increasing the harshness of the methods used, even if it risks severe injury or death to the culprits, rather than allow the destruction of the homes and livelihoods of the innocent.
At some point, the rights of these thugs must come second to the rights of the innocent community at large.
Whilst I respect your opinions about the army being involved, I see them as people in uniform who are paid to do a job. I have a lot of friends in the army, many from Croydon, and they'd love to be deployed to guard their town. Croydon is a large borough, and the 600 or so police officers guarding the town centre didn't have a chance. There were no officers at all in South Croydon, Purley, Kenley (all south of Croydon stretching about 3-4miles) and fires were started, and nobody from the authorities turned up. I can see Kenley Police station from my house, and that was locked down and all of the cars and vans were 4 miles away in Croydon. If the army were deployed with riot gear, then they could help the police, and spread out of the main towns and guard the streets and homes that were being looted.
I do understand that 16,000 officers are due to be deployed tonight in London. I pray that will be enough!
I'm just glad that I'm not too close to Croydon, and am off of the main road. Kenley is a quiet village, but the train station is on the main route out of London and Croydon. We'll see if it kicks off. I've had reports from friends that large groups of kids are building in Croydon again.
Where are you based Zunnan? I agree with you, if they attack our houses they'll be in tears on their way out.
"Too many parents with poliss's mindset, too!"
My boy plays basketball for Newcastle Eagles youth basketball team, American Football at Gateshead and is off to university in September. He has five sports trophies and numerous certificates. He can speak two languages as well. The only problems I have with him are getting him to take the rubbish out and the fact that he plays basketball instead of cricket!
I live in about the poorest part of the West End of Newcastle, not some leafy suburb. Unemployment here is high and there are loads of single mothers. There's a couple of chav families living up the street from me. There have been three murders in the area in the last few years. Two that made the national news and one in the block of flats I live in. From my window I saw some chavs drive a stolen car onto a bonfire one 5th of November. The favourite pastime, in an area half a mile from me, was setting fire to something to get the fire brigade out so that the kids could throw stones at them.
Quote from: Tank on August 09, 2011, 01:20:34 PM
Whilst I respect your opinions about the army being involved, I see them as people in uniform who are paid to do a job. I have a lot of friends in the army, many from Croydon, and they'd love to be deployed to guard their town.
Mod fight, Mod fight :smiley-laughing:
I fully understand what you are saying mate, but they
are doing the job they are paid to do, they are not paid to do the Polices' job, that is for the police, the fact there is not sufficient bobbies to deal with such things is the fault of the Government (that is not a political statement because it doesn't matter which one is in the big seat) cutting budgets left right and centre whilst politicians continue to be the most pampered public servants going. I could go on and on but I wont as I am already getting angry about it.
I would let the police have free reign, get stuck in and zero tolerance attitudes, but those flaming bleeding hearts, Daily mail reading, politically correct middle aged, middle class fools with nothing better to do that abound in this country would tie the country up in public hearings for years to come.
But ultimately it is down to people in the communities affected to sort this out, with the assistance of the Police.
Quote from: Bikeracer on August 09, 2011, 08:54:35 AM
I think the lack of respect for anything and anyone has been getting worse with each generation since the widespread adoption of the theory that children should be allowed to "find themselves" and generally do what they like without restrictions.
People have been saying that for a long time - in fact pretty much every generation on record since about 2500BC. As to sparing the rod and parents, that assumes that the parents were not ordering the new TV in the first place.
What's this. A macho 'my area is worse than yours' contest?
Quote from: tadpole on August 09, 2011, 12:50:21 PM
I think I agree with the last speaker. This is not a military conflict/war.
Nevertheless, it has to be stopped by whatever means necessary. The government must keep increasing the harshness of the methods used, even if it risks severe injury or death to the culprits, rather than allow the destruction of the homes and livelihoods of the innocent.
All the scientific evidence is that harshness hasn't much to do with deterrent value, it's the probability of being caught and punished and the rapidness of getting caught that matters (Like training dogs 8-)). I don't think harshness will be such a problem this time - they seem to have set fire to "nice" areas where the magistrates live...
Also the moment you make enemies of people marginally involved by blowing them up or shooting them you make it all worse - see Afghanistan, Iraq, Bloody Sunday etc etc etc
I was saying to one of the guys at club last night that I wouldn't be surprised to see riots in places like Liverpool like there was in the 80s.
Lo and behold I read exactly that today! Here in Chester we've been fine, but Liverpool is not that far away...
Riots, high unemployment, tory's in control.
Yep. Must be the 80's. Didn't think time travel was possible...
I'm seeing this on the news and on the web over here in the US. It's very disturbing.
I read this on a news website...
"Politicians and police are blaming the violence on criminals and hooligans but some commentators and local residents say its roots lie in anger over economic hardship in a city where the prospects for many youths are dim.
Many of the rioters favor BlackBerry Messenger over Twitter and other social media because its messages are encrypted and private, but the service is widely used and messages can easily be sent to groups."
But if they can afford a Blackberry, things can't be that tight.
Yahoo said this...
"Cameron was expected to toughen the police response to rioters. Britain's Home Secretary Theresa May refused to outline what that might entail, but seemed to rule out more drastic measures.
"The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," she told Sky News. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities."
What is she on??? I'm not sure consent of the communities is likely to be as effective as a water canon. I do agree shooting them isn't what we want in a civilized country, but the armoured vehicles and water canons would be a significant force that stands a good chance of stopping them in their tracks.
This was the most disturbing aspect for me...
"Rioters were left virtually unchallenged in several neighborhoods and able to plunder from stores at will or attempt to invade homes. "
The idea that the rioters go unchallenged is appalling - how must the local residents feel in that situation?
It's very sad to see Britain showing this ugly face to the world. I hope it all ends soon. All the best to all of you affected.
Quote from: moogle on August 09, 2011, 04:06:15 PM
Must be the 80's. Didn't think time travel was possible...
:smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: Mustermark on August 09, 2011, 05:54:52 PM
Quote from: moogle on August 09, 2011, 04:06:15 PM
Must be the 80's. Didn't think time travel was possible...
:smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Nah.. it's Belfast in 1973 :smiley-laughing:
(and I know it isn't, and our "troubles" are now over and we are all smiles - aye right!!)
No fear of police or society. Thats the root, all the left wing bull thats been peddled for years. Some woman on the radio this morning.. " you can't criminalise them, they have issues and poor up bringings" blar blar.. So what, I was brought up on a council estate, had hand me down shiny trousers for school etc etc.. they are just dim whitted thicko's who cant add up to ten, would rather get smacked up on drugs and steal.. they need water cannons, plastic bullets and a proper kicking..
Looters should be shot..
Rant over..
Cudders
Quote from: cudders on August 09, 2011, 07:37:46 PM
No fear of police or society. Thats the root, all the left wing bull thats been peddled for years. Some woman on the radio this morning.. " you can't criminalise them, they have issues and poor up bringings" blar blar.. So what, I was brought up on a council estate, had hand me down shiny trousers for school etc etc.. they are just dim whitted thicko's who cant add up to ten, would rather get smacked up on drugs and steal.. they need water cannons, plastic bullets and a proper kicking..
Looters should be shot..
Rant over..
Cudders
Yep, agreed 100%. Well said, Cudders :thumbsup:
We've a couple of water cannon over here we don't need until next July if you want to borrow them.
Quote from: lesmond on August 09, 2011, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: cudders on August 09, 2011, 07:37:46 PM
No fear of police or society. Thats the root, all the left wing bull thats been peddled for years. Some woman on the radio this morning.. " you can't criminalise them, they have issues and poor up bringings" blar blar.. So what, I was brought up on a council estate, had hand me down shiny trousers for school etc etc.. they are just dim whitted thicko's who cant add up to ten, would rather get smacked up on drugs and steal.. they need water cannons, plastic bullets and a proper kicking..
Looters should be shot..
Rant over..
Cudders
Yep, agreed 100%. Well said, Cudders :thumbsup:
We've a couple of water cannon over here we don't need until next July if you want to borrow them.
Yes please and I'll drive one!
Hope everybody is ok, we are at the moment on lock down in newbury, have been told a coach load of muppets on there way from reading :thumbsdown:
Thank goodness my parents moved over here to Oz, I would like to remember my home town of West Heath near Birmingham the way it used to be.
The army should be called in and along with the police these rioters should get the crap kicked out of them, in other words do what their parents refused to do.
Im not going to get into the whys and hows of these horrific events (its been said here already)
These riots just prove how rotten to the core England is. Im ashamed to call myself an Englishman now as a result. I feel for those people whom have lost their homes and livlihoods as a result.
You may as well forget all the proud achievements this country had, they now lay in tatters, trampled by the feet of hoodies more intersted in looted electronics and this I hate to say is this countries future........................ :'(
I'd like to add my tuppence worth to this subject.It has everything to do with a total lack of respect and common decency from todays yoof.I.saw on Sky News tonight that a coloured lad with a jamfaken accent,yes you read that correctly,bleat on about there being nowhere to go,nothing to do all day and night and it was only a matter of time before this was gonna happen.
Now correct me if I'm wrong,but if you go round smashing places up,then what ultimately happens is the facilities that already exist will dwindle.What are they gonna do when they need items such as clothes and food and other everyday things,only to find the shop shut due to the previous nights looting and violence.
More anarchy because they are being deprived of lifes basic necessaties is my guess.
Honestly,if the youth of today put as much effort into their studies as they do into trying to con,steal and generally get money for nothing,then this country of ours would be a better place for all of us.
Now don't get me wrong on this,I'm 41 years old,but as a bus driver and part time plumber,I see the dark side of what our next generation gets up to.Only 4 sundays ago while operating on one of our local bus routes,in broad daylight,in front of passengers on the bus which included 2 small kids,a gang of hooded youths bombarded the bus with stones and coins breaking 2 windows and scaring the brown stuff out of the kids on board.This cannot be blamed on the current government,they did not foresee this,this came about or is used as an excuse but the rot set in years ago.We saw in the 80's that the riots in places such as Toxteth were over local issues,people are saying it was to do with the shooting of a so called gangster/drug dealer by police.
What excuse do all the others in brum,manchester and liverpool and other towns and cities cite fir this behaviour?
I blame the last Labour government for its liberal,politically correct,lily livered,hand wringing,human rights motivated/obsessed rabble that are now telling everyone that its all the nasty tories' fault.Many of the people orchestrating this unrest only know what living under a Labour government is like,therefore this falls firmly at their feet and furthermore,as I have worked all my adult life,cannot understand their work ethic or total lack of it.You only have to watch Jeremy Kyle in a morning to see this.
Its only a year before the Olympic games and although I think that we could use the money for other more important things than another 2 week sportfest,other nations must be looking on in horror.
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Yep, agreed 100%. Well said, Cudders :thumbsup:
We've a couple of water cannon over here we don't need until next July if you want to borrow them.
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Yes please and I'll drive one!
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Apparently we are sending you a "number" of our armoured police Land Rovers, a bit like this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lancashire/3747220674/
which are so common here they don't even raise an eyebrow, but can take a fair bit of abuse. Mind you, up to recently our patrol bobbies had machine guns..
I do agree with Pete Mc though, most of this can be put down to the nanny state, human-rights-at-all-costs, here, have some DLA, left wing, liberal politicans we recently had as "leaders". I could go off on one, but Lawrence et al would only moderate me (joking - he's a lovely bloke, really :thumbsup:), so I'll shut up now :smiley-laughing:
This was what one of the commentators in the national newspaper, The Australian, was saying about it down here:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/less-political-rebellion-more-mollycoddled-mob/story-e6frg6zo-1226111939883 (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/opinion/less-political-rebellion-more-mollycoddled-mob/story-e6frg6zo-1226111939883)
May be of interest to some.
Cheers
Kevin
Only much of it isn't just kids, some of them its turning out are employed or reasonably well off (designer clothes, fancy phones). UK press is beginning to report some of the ages in the court cases - some middle aged, a school assistant and so on...
Agree pal.. The "terrorist/Criminal rights Law" as it should be called has crippled this country and panders to every thief/criminal and freak out there at the expense of normal people. The politicians have no back bone to get rid of it..
I wish I was Prime Minister.. I would sort this country out for sure..
Cudders
Despite the ages of those who have past through the courts to date, the vast majority of the people I saw looting in London on Monday night were kids (anywhere between 10 and 20 at a guess).
Believing in human rights does not believe you don't also believe in appropriate punishment.
In London at least, last night seems to have shown that having sufficient numbers of police on the street has been key to preventing looting. Strangely enough a handful of coppers against large groups of youths is not going to stop something. The change in tactics seemed to have worked.
It is all very well frothing at the mouth and saying remove benefits, but surely the consequence of that will be to drive people to more theft? That is nothing to do with wishing to mollycoddle someone, just common sense. If they have committed a crime then they should be prosecuted and punished, let's not make life more complicated than necessary.
red_death, there's no point in trying to put forward reasoned arguments when you're up against the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em brigade". They'd love this country to be like China or Saudi Arabia.
Quote from: Zunnan on August 10, 2011, 03:17:10 PM
Punished...theres a good laugh. Have you seen the sentences being handed out to the first of the rioters/looters yet? One day in jail...already served becuse they were held on remand for longer than that period. Hit them where it hurts if you ask me, and to hell with their so called human rights. British justice needs to grow a backbone.
Many have not been sentenced yet as they have been referred to the crown court (Magistrates can only hand out max 6 months): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14478063
It is nothing to do with human rights, but basic bloody common sense - if you take away all legal options for someone what do you leave them but more criminality?
Well the last people who trashed the country and broke all the rules got a bailout, huge pensions and are back on big bonuses. So maybe the rioters are hoping for the same treatment ...
I'm not going to argue with your continued ranting. There isn't any point.
I don't think there is anything liberal about handing out sentences of 6 months or more. I doubt a burglary of similar items would attract the interest of the crown court.
Sentencing guidelines are another topic, but an important part of our justice system has to be the possibility of rehabilitation (otherwise all you do is condemn all criminals regardless of the crime to a life of crime, which becomes utterly self defeating).
Having just got my home broadband connection back up and running I have read through this thread with a great deal of interest and, sorry to bore everyone, would add my contribution.
I am now in my 57th year and never fail to be amazed at just how far this country (and I refer to England as that is the total of my existence, rather than Wales,Scotland or Ireland) has gone down the toilet. Most of it I blame on the U.S.A. as, due to their communications systems, our kids cannot spell properly. Due to their banal TV shows, our kids emulate US fashion and language to the extent they have lost their English identities and become a sub-culture. I was brought up in a strict environment to have respect and manners for all people and have tried to live my life with those values. I do open doors (building or cars) for ladies. I give up a seat to any infirm/old/pregnant person regardless of their sex (you find me a pregnant man and I'll stand up for him too!). 'Do as you would be done by' has been my mantra. Unfortunately as I've got older, there is very little respect coming back. Some people I open or hold a door for look as if they would rather spit in my face than say thank you. Some women have given me a mouthful when I offer them a seat, or just say nothing. It's difficult to retain respect in such cases but I try. The problem is that I have all the time in the world for the older generation, but now have very little for the younger among us. My nephew sits in his stinking bedroom on his X box whilst making primeval grunts to his similar mates. He can't even hold (or be bothered to hold) a conversation with anyone, including his parents. He hasn't bothered to get any sort of job and has refused to sign on as it's demeaning, although he is happy to sponge off his parents. Before the advent of all these modern communications tools we, as kids, would go out for the day and moan about coming back in. There was hardly any TV worth watching, so sport, train sets, Meccano etc were the hobbies of our time. OK- we indulged in a bit of apple scrumping or cherry knocking but the mere sight of the local copper would send us packing. Where have all these so called 'stars' or celebs' come from, along with all the associated gutter press (they probably wouldn't have dared cremate Lady Gaga as the explosion would have been heard in Oz). Parents seem to want the kids out from under their feet so the kids roam the streets in feral packs scaring the life out of 'normal' humans because they 'haven't got anything to do'. Get a life!! I have never had kids and, to be honest, I'm glad because I'd hate to be a youngster in this day and age. And what, I hear you shouting, has this to do with riots and what would I do about it.
I'd just shoot the b****rds.
Quote from: poliss on August 10, 2011, 03:27:52 PM
red_death, there's no point in trying to put forward reasoned arguments when you're up against the "hang 'em, flog 'em, shoot 'em brigade". They'd love this country to be like China or Saudi Arabia.
I dont want to live in a country like Saudi and China. Im also not a member from the 'flog-em' lobby either, however you miss the point that if these riots continue the government will impose curfews. This is one step closer to red china and an impact on all our liberty, and the result of people's actions who have no respect for nothing.
What this country is experiencing is a result of limp 'phoney human rights, hug a hoodie' policies' that have erroded our society since the 1960's. I agree 100% with Zunnan, red death and PeteMc. None of us want to live in a police state, I want to live in a country where i can walk in any high street in any english city without worry of any hinderance or fear day or night, clearly the crappy soft liberal drivel that has been spoon fed to our kids has created this evil monster. Time to get tough, punish harshly these punks for killing our communties. When we have control of the streets it's time to turn on and oust through our votes the weak teachers, social leaders and politicians who have crippled this country with their failing laws and policies and return to common sense. decency and rebuild a country where people are safe and proud. If that road involves slapping a hoodie looter, than fine. I can live with that..........
Lady Gaga isn't dead and you just libelled her. Hug a hoodie is attributed to Cameron's policy. The human rights act doesn't stop people being sent to prison for a very long stretch. If you do want prison sentences to be longer you will of course be happy to pay extra taxes.
You should also stop looking at the past with rose tinted spectacles. It used to be far, far worse in Great Britain not that long ago.
" At the beginning of Victoria's reign key commentators like Edwin Chadwick tended to equate the criminal offender with individuals in the lower reaches of the working class who they considered were reluctant to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage, and who preferred idleness, drink, 'luxury' and an easy life; in their eyes the problem was a moral one. There were also concerns about 'the dangerous classes' who were thought to lurk in the slums waiting for the opportunity for disorder and plunder."
Not much has changed then?
i'm off to loot hattons....
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Quote from: poliss on August 10, 2011, 06:32:20 PM
Lady Gaga isn't dead and you just libelled her. Hug a hoodie is attributed to Cameron's policy. The human rights act doesn't stop people being sent to prison for a very long stretch. If you do want prison sentences to be longer you will of course be happy to pay extra taxes.
You should also stop looking at the past with rose tinted spectacles. It used to be far, far worse in Great Britain not that long ago.
" At the beginning of Victoria's reign key commentators like Edwin Chadwick tended to equate the criminal offender with individuals in the lower reaches of the working class who they considered were reluctant to do an honest day's work for an honest day's wage, and who preferred idleness, drink, 'luxury' and an easy life; in their eyes the problem was a moral one. There were also concerns about 'the dangerous classes' who were thought to lurk in the slums waiting for the opportunity for disorder and plunder."
Not much has changed then?
I hate to tell you but the rioters think that Victorians are members of Mrs Beckhams fan club. You could try quoting Edwin Chadwick to them, but i doubt they would take much notice. The only thing these scumbags will understand is plastic bullets, tear gas, and police dogs.
Right then chaps we don't want any riots on here, and I think everyone has had a fair crack at this now so I am going to lock the topic off for now and we can all get back to modelling.
I will discuss reopening this thread with Tank when I can get hold of him.
Now, back to your Aug\Sept projects ya bunch of hoolies ;)
Why put these morons in jail ?, all they do is associate with other criminals and come out with more criminal ideas.
What would be better IMO would be to save the taxpayers money by taking them out the back of a copper station and beat the stuffing out of them, have an truck handy and dump them on the street outside their homes so all the prospective louts can see what happens when you turn into a moron, brutal but I think effective.