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I model br late crest, and I want to buy some TPO's.
Hattons say this is the ones for this era:
http://www.ehattons.com/34590/Graham_Farish_374_900_Mk_I_TPO_Coach_Royal_Mail_Travelling_Post_Office_Red/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/34590/Graham_Farish_374_900_Mk_I_TPO_Coach_Royal_Mail_Travelling_Post_Office_Red/StockDetail.aspx)
I thought the ones with the side lights were the correct ones though?
If anyone can help it would be great!
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This is what I thought was the correct ones:
http://www.ehattons.com/52903/Graham_Farish_374_901A_BR_Mk_I_TPO_Post_Office_red_with_side_lights_/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/52903/Graham_Farish_374_901A_BR_Mk_I_TPO_Post_Office_red_with_side_lights_/StockDetail.aspx)
Varies by company until BR days (LNER teak, Southern Green etc)
Post Office Red from 1951 or so
Blue/grey from 1970
The yellow stripey livery from 1986
Yellow stripey with white writing 1990
then RES
(those are painting dates, stuff didn't all get repainted within that period)
The Graham Farish 374-900 Mk I TPO Coach Royal Mail Travelling Post Office Red does look to be the modern P.O. livery/crest
Quote from: Tom@Crewe on August 09, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
The Graham Farish 374-900 Mk I TPO Coach Royal Mail Travelling Post Office Red does look to be the modern P.O. livery/crest
Just looked in the graham farish book and hattons have listed them wrongly?
Oh well, I know what to look out for at TINGS!
Rightly or wrongly, I have used the 374-901 versions to make up a 'Great Train Robbery' train along with EE Type 4
Quote from: newportnobby on August 09, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Rightly or wrongly, I have used the 374-901 versions to make up a 'Great Train Robbery' train along with EE Type 4
If you really care:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42098 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42098)
For the Great Train Robbery, even though the pictures is B&W if you look ant the postbox on the side of the TPO is lighter (Post office red) than the TPO so the main colour of the TPO is Maroon (1963)
(http://darkroom.baltimoresun.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/AFP_Getty-3251353.jpg)
And for the 1967 film this colour picture was take. The films research and use of the Maroon livery reinforcing the livery at the time as being Maroon TPO's
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6OydFMRne30/TZOgVatSdaI/AAAAAAAAE0s/kXs7dQOnaUU/s640/robbery.jpg)
I cannot find anything definitive for when the MK1 TPOs changed to blue/grey livery. References seem to suggest anything from 1966 onwards.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on August 10, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
I cannot find anything definitive for when the MK1 TPOs changed to blue/grey livery. References seem to suggest anything from 1966 onwards.
Paddy
1970
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 10, 2013, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Paddy on August 10, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
I cannot find anything definitive for when the MK1 TPOs changed to blue/grey livery. References seem to suggest anything from 1966 onwards.
Paddy
1970
Thanks EtchedPixels - where did you find this info? I am sure Google is not being my friend today! :-)
Paddy
Just found a couple of photos on Paul Bartlett's site showing a TPO in blue/grey dated June 1967.
http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtpo/h2c38c074#h2c38c074 (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtpo/h2c38c074#h2c38c074)
Paddy
Quote from: newportnobby on August 09, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Rightly or wrongly, I have used the 374-901 versions to make up a 'Great Train Robbery' train along with EE Type 4
Remember the Great Train Robbery Class 40 D326 had split head codes.
Paddy
Quote from: Paddy on August 10, 2013, 11:24:40 AM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 10, 2013, 11:13:30 AM
Quote from: Paddy on August 10, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
I cannot find anything definitive for when the MK1 TPOs changed to blue/grey livery. References seem to suggest anything from 1966 onwards.
Paddy
1970
Thanks EtchedPixels - where did you find this info? I am sure Google is not being my friend today! :-)
Paddy
In a booklet about TPO services. Apparently not a correct booklet given the photo you reference !
Quote from: EtchedPixels on August 09, 2013, 10:46:06 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on August 09, 2013, 09:32:37 PM
Rightly or wrongly, I have used the 374-901 versions to make up a 'Great Train Robbery' train along with EE Type 4
If you really care:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42098 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42098)
Thanks, Alan, although I don't know my POS from my POT :confused1: (I know I wee in one of them :-[)
I think mine will be a sketchy affair as I don't have a split head code box Type 4 either
Pretty sure the TPO van in the original photo above is a LMS design not a Mk1.
But is the photo of the reconstruction or the original ?
Quote from: edwin_m on August 10, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
Pretty sure the TPO van in the original photo above is a LMS design not a Mk1.
Not LMS - the MK1 TPOs were numbered in the range 80300 to 80395 and the one in the photo is W80304. So assuming Paul's photo is accurate then the introduction of blue/grey was prior to 1970.
Paddy
The B&W and colour photos pasted (please note I am not referring to any photos in links) further up the thread appear to be at least very similar to each other and also appear to match the LMS vehicle in the link below (scroll down). The Mk1 design is very different.
http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Gov12_01Rail-t1-body-d12.html (http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Gov12_01Rail-t1-body-d12.html)
Quote from: edwin_m on August 10, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
The B&W and colour photos pasted (please note I am not referring to any photos in links) further up the thread appear to be at least very similar to each other and also appear to match the LMS vehicle in the link below (scroll down).
Most of the set was certainly LMS vehicles (or BR built LMS design at least).
M30272M actually still survives. The full formation is also quoted here
http://www.nightmail.org.uk/the-vision/vehicles-of-the-night-mail-museum/lms-pos-m30272m (http://www.nightmail.org.uk/the-vision/vehicles-of-the-night-mail-museum/lms-pos-m30272m)
the MxxxM indicating they were Midland region vehicles that must be returned to the Midland for major works - so would have been "LMS" TPO stock (or pre LMS companies).
AFAIK the LMS style vehicles are only available in kit form, but the Mark 1 stock is also right for the period.
The picture I found was from a news source so seems original
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1865132_1865133_1865148,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1865132_1865133_1865148,00.html)
Quote from: Woolleysh33p on August 09, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
Quote from: Tom@Crewe on August 09, 2013, 05:09:32 PM
The Graham Farish 374-900 Mk I TPO Coach Royal Mail Travelling Post Office Red does look to be the modern P.O. livery/crest
Just looked in the graham farish book and hattons have listed them wrongly?
Oh well, I know what to look out for at TINGS!
I mainly have Era 4 - 6 locos and rolling stock so bought the 374-901A BR Mk I TPO Post Office red (with side lights). The GF catalogue shows this as Era 5/6. All their other TPO kit is 6/7 (blue/grey) and 8/9 (red).
I did advise Hatton's via their chat service that the info for 374-901A disagreed with GF. Looks like they've not updated their page.
Any ideas what other coach I could use with the 374-901A to complete a TPO of my era - avoiding the blue?
Dave G
The 374-901A BR Mk I TPO Post Office seems right (except colour) for my layout But are the transfers available for after the respray?
Oops, sorry did not mean to confuse. Personally I stick to 1948 to 1968 which is Bachmann era 4-6 so as the MK1 TPO blue/grey fits in to 1967 I can run with one in my rake. Bought one from Model Railways Direct who currently have them on sale at £12.99 - bargain!
Paddy
Although I think the TPO in Tom's picture is a LMS vehicle, there could well have been several TPOs in the train and I'm not clear which vehicle was transporting the used banknotes. I understand the only surviving one from the robbery train is preserved on the Nene Valley and looking at pictures of that it looks more like a Gresley design although it has a M suffix which would normally indicate a LMS design. So entirely possible there would have been Mk1s in the train too.
Quote from: daveg on August 11, 2013, 08:07:52 AM
Any ideas what other coach I could use with the 374-901A to complete a TPO of my era - avoiding the blue?
None of the other appropriate TPO vehicles are available, although I believe Bachmann is doing a stowage van in OO. Not sure what is happening there as it was a OO scale ModelZone commission. Hopefully it will arrive in N.
You could certainly run it with some GUV, full brake and other parcels type stock though and many of the smaller runs consisted of nothing but a TPO and a couple of BGs plus on longer trips maybe a BSO or similar for staff seating.
Some historically were also mixed TPO/passenger services so you can happily run a part TPO part passenger service.
Alan