which wagons do i need to buy?
which containers would be suitable?
i only have one g/f wagon currently with oocl and ford containers on it.
are safmarine, maersk, p&o nedlloyd and msc yellow ones too modern?
motive power will be a blue 47 or 37. train length will be about 9 63ft wagons...
cheers
tim
Mine is meant to be very late 80s into early 90s and I have a mixture of early (Poole) Farish conflats with the old type (flat top) containers - Ford, OOCL, Zanussi, etc - and the later China-built ones with the ISO containers you mention - P&O, Maersk, etc.
According to what I've read there were mixed trains of flat-top and ISO containers still running into the 80s until gradually all old-type boxes were replaced. Freightliner containers themselves went from the grey box with red stripe to grey with red triangle in the late 80s :thumbsup:
Paul
ok cheers paul nice to know i can mix up the containers a bit
i can always take off any containers in too modern a livery and leave a few empty spaces in the train...
cheers
tim
is it best to just buy farish (poole and china) and avoid lima and minitrix????
tim
You have the right wagons (FFA/FGA), although the Farish ones are somewhat inaccurate.
Originally they ran in fixed sets, usually of five, with buffers at the end of each set of five. They got shorter and shorter into the 1980s as some of the wagons were condemned so a 4 and a 5 would be quite reasonable.
The conversion parts to make the buffered ends, replacement smaller sized wheels and the like are available if you are so inclined. If you are into building etched kits then Worsley Works do a far superior etched kit for these wagons.
There were other wagons newly introduced in the late 1980s including the KFA (introduced 1989) and the first IFA wagons in the early 1990s as well as the FSA and FTA wagons and the FLA. None of these would bridge your entire period however and not all are available in N either.
Alan
I would in general avoid anything Lima N scale except for the Mark 1 CCT and the Bogie Siphon. Most Lima models were wildly inaccurate and not always great runners either.
cheers alan very interesting and useful info!
i may change the wheels and add end buffers to the end of fixed formations then at some stage...
best wishes,
tim
The Farish models run on generic bogies and larger than are accurate diameter wheels.
If you are going for a fully detailed rake then ATM do bogies and 5.1mm diameter wheels to upgrade the sets.
Cheers,
Alan
cheers alan
can you buy these bogies and wheels online? atm only have a postal address. £8 per bogie is a lot as well but I will upgrade eventually.
Tim
Quote from: bluedepot on April 15, 2013, 04:15:18 PM
cheers alan
can you buy these bogies and wheels online? atm only have a postal address. £8 per bogie is a lot as well but I will upgrade eventually.
Tim
Hi
I'm sure that price is for a pair of bogies.
Cheers
Paul
Hi Tim
The price is per pair. And you can stagger the cost by buying the mouldings only, and using the wheels from your donor wagons (though the diameter is slightly too large)
cheers
Ben A.
cheers guys good to know it is per pair
i emailed n train to ask if he can supply these bogies
as an aside, does anyone make replacement bogies with nem sockets for mk1 or mk2 coaches?
tim
I have several of the TEA / container wagon bogies spare, I would need to check how many are in my spares box
The BR1 and B4 bogies are only available in standard or split versions
The standard version has the mounting point for the spring and coupling
The split version is the bogie only, the NEM pocket is mounted on the coach itself (and so far only the BR1 and Commonwealth bogies have been released)
Therefore bogies cannot be swapped between older versions and Blue Riband versions
Quote from: mjkerr on April 16, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
and so far only the BR1 and Commonwealth bogies have been released
Not true - B4 bogied Mk1s have been released:
http://www.ehattons.com/38793/Graham_Farish_374_085_Mk1_BCK_brake_corridor_composite_in_blue_grey/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/38793/Graham_Farish_374_085_Mk1_BCK_brake_corridor_composite_in_blue_grey/StockDetail.aspx)
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on April 16, 2013, 12:09:56 PMNot true - B4 bogied Mk1s have been released
That is the older one-piece bogie and coupling socket
The latest is the bogie only
Quote from: mjkerr on April 16, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on April 16, 2013, 12:09:56 PMNot true - B4 bogied Mk1s have been released
That is the older one-piece bogie and coupling socket
The latest is the bogie only
No it's not. It's a new tool model, close couplered (couplers part of the body/chassis).
I have several.
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on April 16, 2013, 01:06:28 PMNo it's not. It's a new tool model, close couplered (couplers part of the body/chassis)
I inspected one of these out of the box and found it was fitted with the older design
Whilst I accept it is an updated version, it is still a one-piece moulding
As a result I could not swap the bogies between the other Blue Riband releases
The next release has the separate version
oh no, it's a boggie squabble not seen one of those since junior school.... :dighole:
Quote from: mjkerr on April 16, 2013, 10:43:20 AM
itself (and so far only the BR1 and Commonwealth bogies have been released)
Therefore bogies cannot be swapped between older versions and Blue Riband versions
B4 ones have also been released and for double the fun have a different axle length to the others so need different 2mmSA wheel axle lengths.
Alan
Quote from: mjkerr on April 16, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: Dr Al on April 16, 2013, 12:09:56 PMNot true - B4 bogied Mk1s have been released
That is the older one-piece bogie and coupling socket
The latest is the bogie only
Hi
I'm pretty sure that model number 374-085 has the new bogies without the coupling attached though I cannot check until this evening whether it has B4 bogies or not.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on April 16, 2013, 02:29:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that model number 374-085 has the new bogies without the coupling attached though I cannot check until this evening whether it has B4 bogies or not.
As does 374-013 (SO), which has B4s as photographed below:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8106/8655781738_06b5e5d0f5_c.jpg)
I'm confident Bachmann won't have been silly enough to use older bogies on any of their other new-tool Mk1s....
Cheers,
Alan
so could you get a new nem fitted b4 bogie (assuming it is sold seperately somewhere) and attach it to old style mk1 coach????
for my intercity mk1 coaches i am cutting up the bogies and gluing in an nem pocket from dapol, then using short couplings to close up the gap... entire replacement bogies with nem pockets would be easier though, maybe a cottage industry project for someone here!
cheers,
tim
Quote from: bluedepot on April 16, 2013, 06:06:15 PM
so could you get a new nem fitted b4 bogie (assuming it is sold seperately somewhere) and attach it to old style mk1 coach????
No. The NEMs are body mounted to close coupler mechanism as in the picture, so the new style bogies have no coupler socket attached to them.
Cheers,
Alan
ah ok thanks
someone out there should make replacement bogies with nem pockets then!!!
opportunity for someone...
tim
Quote from: bluedepot on April 16, 2013, 06:32:51 PM
ah ok thanks
someone out there should make replacement bogies with nem pockets then!!!
opportunity for someone...
tim
Hardly. Probably cost you £5,000 or more in tooling, which divided by the sales you'd get is going to be rather pricy. Cheaper to update to the new coaches and sell the old ones.
Alan
ok... never knew it was so much to produce tooling for a few different bogie types
yeh, eventually i will update to new coaches...
tim
I just checked my blue riband Mk1 coaches and found b4 bogies under mk1 FK,CKx2,SO and BCK.
Cheers
Mark
can you buy any ready painted and better detailed 20ft or 40ft containers suitable for late 1980s / early 90s?
i've seen that farish make some container packs, but all the brands are too modern...
i know you can get card and plastic kits, but i was looking for any ready painted and detailed items, if such a thing exists.
cheers,
tim
ok... so i have a few container wagons now purchased from ebay
below are pics of the ones i have changed the bogies and wheels on (cheers to ntrain for supplying the atm bogies and wheels so quickly and well packaged!)
they look good, but they do seem prone to derailments and uncoupling, so i was thinking i might add weight to the wagons? can anyone suggest how best to do this?
anyway here are a few pictures...
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy103/bluedepot/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0954_zps0881631a.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/bluedepot/media/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0954_zps0881631a.jpg.html)
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy103/bluedepot/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0960_zpseceb85a7.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/bluedepot/media/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0960_zpseceb85a7.jpg.html)
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy103/bluedepot/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0958_zps942c9c33.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/bluedepot/media/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0958_zps942c9c33.jpg.html)
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy103/bluedepot/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0956_zps540e658a.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/bluedepot/media/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0956_zps540e658a.jpg.html)
(http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy103/bluedepot/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0955_zps984cb059.jpg) (http://s782.photobucket.com/user/bluedepot/media/my%20n%20gauge%20layout%20and%20models/SAM_0955_zps984cb059.jpg.html)
If you can get into the containers you could use the lead strip used in fish tanks.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plant-Weights-Supa-Big-10-3-Metres-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Lead-Strip-Live-Plants-Ne-/111053276919?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item19db4a86f7 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plant-Weights-Supa-Big-10-3-Metres-Aquarium-Fish-Tank-Lead-Strip-Live-Plants-Ne-/111053276919?pt=UK_Pet_Supplies_Fish&hash=item19db4a86f7)
cheers John.
Mmm, Ford container 8)
Can't say I've had any derailment issues with mine, is this anything to do with changing the wheels?
As for uncoupling, since they're eBay purchases have you checked each coupling spring is straight and undamaged? ;)
Paul
cheers john good idea and cheaper than 'liquid gravity'. i can just glue these strips inside the containers...
hi paul cheers for reply - derailments are because they are so light i think, and maybe the finer and smaller wheels as well... the couplings are nem ones attached onto the new atm bogies i fitted, since they will be in fixed rakes of 5 flats + 5 flats i guess i can just stick the couplers together if this keeps happening...
as for motive power - i have 1x 56 and 2x 58s, but these were rare on containers, so that leaves 47 035 to pull them. the other viable alternatives are a peak (i have a 45/1 and a 46, although by late 80s they were withdrawn), or i could use 37254 and / or 37239...
maybe double headed 37s will be out to play tomorrow night...
cheers again for the replies
tim
just had a thought, should I have cut down the pin that holds the bogie on? the pin is now oversized as bogies smaller so v lose fitting... anyone fitted atm bogies know what is best to do?
cheers
Tim
Quote from: bluedepot on April 22, 2013, 11:51:14 AM
just had a thought, should I have cut down the pin that holds the bogie on? the pin is now oversized as bogies smaller so v lose fitting... anyone fitted atm bogies know what is best to do?
cheers
Tim
Hi
I think I cut the pin down on mine. I usually go for a 10 thou (0.25mm) gap when fitting the bogie pins.
Cheers
Paul
Ok cheers Paul I will try cutting pins down and he'd if that helps.
Tim
A trawl through here will find some suitable containers for an '80's train.
http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/sea_containers1.htm (http://www.matts-place.com/intermodal/part1/sea_containers1.htm)
Have fun.
Carl