There are all types of Railway Modellers out there, some love super detail others are quite content to buy ready made models and leave then as they are so what kind of modeller are you?
Because N gauge is so small and my eyesight is not what it used to be I use the word represent as a guideline to my layouts, so long as things look something like what they are supposed to I am happy.
I used to model with more accuracy when I was into OO Gauge but not so with N, if I cant see it properly I don't worry about it.
I believe the word represent could also be applied to manufacturers particularly those that manufacture Locomotives, one example is the front bogie on the Farish BoB which is nothing more than a rectangular piece of steel with 4 wheels sticking out of it.
Having said that I respect everyones right to model at a level that they are happy with, I enjoy layouts that are super detailed but at 70 years of age this year I doubt I will have the time to be spending hours on a small section of a layout.
At the moment I have a few buildings I have bought second hand and they are plonked down.
However I do keep trying to make small dioramas, so far still very badly, but if you don't practice you won't improve.
cheers John.
Iam alot like you Dave. I enjoy RtR models and tend to leave things at that.
I must confess that im not one for kits, due to time more than anything else. I like everything ready to run and out of the box, including scenery. That way i can plonk stuff where i want it and then get on with what i like best......
Playing Trains. At the end of the day thats what we all do :beers:
All the best Dave,
Dave
With regard to rolling stock I'm firmly in the RTR 'box' and will gladly wait for a particular version of a loco or wagon to be released rather than kit-bash or repaint. The only exception so far has been my rake of Ford livery VGAs that there's probably no hope of ever seeing as a RTR model, and come on it's ME so had to have Ford wagons somewhere! :D
Scenery and buildings are different though as I have a mixture of ready-made, kit and scratch built and I look at each one for ways to detail and improve it so it 'looks right'.
Same with trackwork which is why I have gone to the trouble to install cable trunking, orange ducting and check rails ;)
To me it's the tiny details that make the difference, but I'd also add that a lot of it depends on whether the model is intended to be exhibited or just for your own personal satisfaction :thumbsup:
Paul
I tend to spend all of my time creating the layout rather than running it.
Due to space I'm only able to have very small layouts which are to small to be roundy roundy ones.
I enjoy creating scenery and scratch building generally avoiding ready made buildings.
i would love to have the time and the money to have a large roundy, roundy layout. Who knows maybe one of the kids might leave home and free up a room for me.
As you know I am building a new layout but as far as fine detail that might send me over the edge but will see, I have bought some ratio buildings and also a metcalfe station, for the platforms not sure what I will use or if I will profile them myself from balsa wood, but I do want the layout looking realistic as much as possible. I have bought some trees in and I will have to buy some more yet, I do not want the layout looking to plasticy.
Sticking my oar in . . .
I'm with most of the subscribers to this thread so far. At the same age as Dave in Oz (Longbridge), I can't see most of the fine detail on many of the latest locos and other rolling stock. I have nothing but admiration for those who can scratchbuild ar kitbash to get what they want - my feeble efforts have produced only horror stories! As someone said in a post I read yesterday, I have 00 fingers working on N gauge models. I do have a fair number of plastic kit buildings which I have managed to insert into their surroundings a bit on previous layout attempts and now am trying to fit into the current effort. Like most modellers, I believe, I hate throwing things away, lol. "That will come in useful on the railway someday . . ." is almost a password in our house.
:bounce: :laugh3:
The modern rolling stock is far better than it was back in the 70's when I returned to the hobby and started buying trains. Certainly I can't improve on it - and I've tried in the past. :-[ The word 'represent' applies to my modelling in spades - I can run a box on wheels round the track and call it a train - only I will see it, apart from my indulgent family, so why should anyone else care. If I can get a better box which looks more like a train, even to me, so much the better. I'm not even panicking about small details or procedures, though I am doing my best to get such things right. I don't have time anymore to spend on infinite detail so just let me be happy with what I've got and I'll let you continue with whatver it is YOU like about modelling.
:) :thankyousign: :)
John
Not a very good modeler at all.
Can cope with small spaces but go to pieces on anything bigger than a square foot.
Have great ideas but cannot transform them into anything I am happy with.
Love doing different things but not over interested in running the trains.
I like to tinker and improve things. Most of the things are simple to do - a bit of detailing, the odd re-paint, basic weathering etc. But I still have some horrors both old and recent and I am still learning better ways to do things.
I like kit building or scratch building stock and buildings. More interested in freight stock than passenger.
Not that interested in playing trains at all. Much more interested in the research, design and building.
I find it frustrating when people complain about "rivet counters" or complain that the class 96 in Netfreight livery from 1 April 2001 isn't available but shoot you down when you try to suggest solutions. As the thread title says - we are all different and have different interests, none more valid or "better" than any others.
Cheers, Mike
I'm a br blue guy because I like them. I just play trains and run anything so the purists would most likely not be happy.
I do rtr but would love to have the time and skill but don't and the same goes for weathering. I'm just coming to tems with weathering and are buying rtr locks and wagons.
I love the hobby and reckon everyone's layouts or efforts are fantastic.
I love the ones that a so real it's mad but I know I will never have the skill knowledge or time so I'm happy playing trains
Bart
I am firmly in the camp of "if it looks OK, it is OK" and am grateful we are getting more and better details on models.
I have no clue about specific carriage identities, but as long as I have a rake of Mk1's in the right colour scheme with a brake at the end and behind a loco I know would be found in the area I'm modelling, I am a happy bunny :)
Not exactly Rule 1 as I am fairly strict on that (except for the BP) :angel:
When I have more time later this year I have a multitude of kits to make and have bought an airbrush kit so all hell will break loose then :dunce:
If someone sees my layout and starts making comments about what should and should not be seen, they can just bog off and do their own thing :P
Hi
I enjoy scratch and kit building as I enjoy the challenge but I do get annoyed when I complete something only to have one of the manufacturers announce it as their next model. :veryangry:
Cheers
Paul
For me it's mainly RTR although I did build a kit loco years ago, I have some wagon kits to build later on but the main task is to get something running! I'm trying to keep to pre 1947 SR & GWR and for looks it's going to be done on the cheap, hopefully realistic enough to please me :thumbsup: I do admire the detailed work that some on the forum achieve but beeing of the same vintage as Longbridge I shall be happy with the 3' rule. That's one of the great things about this forum we all model to our own levels and as long as we enjoy ourselves that's fine with me. :wave:
I'm at one end of the spectrum I think... N Gauge brings out my OCD! :-[
I love all the tiny details. from putting on the bits out of the bag on my brand new loco, to detailing scenery. I'm either dry brushing tree trunks to make the bark show, or I'm putting "overhead wires" transfers on a loco. None of which you can really appreciate from more than a few feet away. :goggleeyes:
One extreme is when I put tiny billboard ads and station signs in the subway at "Reading General". Not only are they hard to see close up with it in front of you, they are physically impossible to see when in place, and then the subway itself is hard to see with the station canopy on top. So, why bother? Two reasons... I enjoy the detail modelling bit, and even though I can't see them, I know they are there. Given the size of my layout, I think 10 years might be an underestimate of the time to completion! :laugh3:
Mind you I didn't bother with the brake discs on my MkIIIs yet... :doh:
I'm currently a slightly confused modeller as I've started a second layout whilst only having the basics sorted on the first!
I don't claim to be a brilliant modeller, so stock, etc. is all RTR. I am working on card buildings (see posts elsewhere) with varying degrees of success.
A lot of my interest is in the automated control and producing realistic operation rather than a finely detailed model. That's partly why I started the second layout as I'm using Setrack and it's all going together a lot more quickly.
Glen
PS I shall plead guilty to the "O Gauge Fingers" comment mentioned above!
I also model BR blue and have a somewhat variable approach. For example, my coaches are painted inside to represent the prototype and I fit passengers and drivers (albeit with amputated legs) but remove buffers between coaches to allow better close coupling for the tight (radius 1) curves, but then I hide those tight curves.
Weathering is a must for me, but not to the extent that the train is filthy (which they quite often were) just enough to see that they are used,
I suppose in short I can say that very little is used out of the box, there is always some degree of personalisation. I have to admit this could be ego rather than realism; but then it works for me.
But what to do with the blue pullman ? I should make it a bit dirty but then it's out of period if I was accurate. I really want one in reverse grey/blue which I will make dirty so maybe I'll leave the nanking blue one clean. decisions, decisions.......
I'm happy to build kits (or will be when I get some) or use RTR if it's available for what I want, even if it needs a bad repaint ;)
And the wargamer in me is happy for the looks good at a distance style of paintjob. ;D
Quote from: Mustermark on March 20, 2013, 06:26:57 PM
One extreme is when I put tiny billboard ads and station signs in the subway at "Reading General". Not only are they hard to see close up with it in front of you, they are physically impossible to see when in place, and then the subway itself is hard to see with the station canopy on top. So, why bother? Two reasons... I enjoy the detail modelling bit, and even though I can't see them, I know they are there.
I completely understand that, think I have the same OCD :D
My one bit of detailing so far has been my shunter's shed, which still has an etched tool-rack to be painted and fitted, but once the roof is on the only way you'll see that and the other details like the folded newspaper on the wrokbench is either with a good camea shot or by craning your neck over the layout and placing your eye on the track! :worried:
Like you say, it may not be visible, but YOU know it's there ;)
Paul
Friends,
For want of a better term I am a "Roundy-roundy!"
The fine details required to model scenery leaves me cold, 99% of the time I cannot see it without a magnifying glass anyway!
I have interests in English, American and European train stock and hopefully can afford to run a bit of each on my layout!
I enjoy the working out of track and electrics but precise planning has never been my forte!
RTR is the ONLY way I know but a kit of special large sections i.e. bridges gives me some pleasure IF I can control my temper!
Railway modelling is not a pastime that I could fill my free time with I often have too many irons in the fire and modelling is just one of them!
regards Peter.
Speed, sparks and snow is me
I am a roundy-roundy that likes running high-speed trains at 200 mph scale speed. My interest is sparky current day passenger trains and as there are not that many current EMUs produced by UK manufacturers, I have been acquiring ICE, Thalys, Eurostar, Shinkansen (all in 1:160) mainly from abroad or second hand from eBay. I do have a Blue Pullman heritage train and might be getting another heritage train if Brighton Belle comes to fruition in N. I do have some modern UK DMUs such as Voyagers, Turbostars and HST and one diesel engine, a Kato 'Red Bear' with some colourful US wagons. All this gives me a bit of a problem with the scales, 1:160, 1:148, 1:150. I also have an oval of Kato HO where the Pendolino runs from time to time.
Regarding the layout, my dream has always been to model Canary Wharf at night/late evening - I am gradually changing my current layout to include some Canary Wharf like aspects and having a lot of fun wiring SMDs (and not so much fun painting and light proofing buildings) and, of course, experimenting with snow!
Quote from: longbridge on March 19, 2013, 10:48:42 PM
There are all types of Railway Modellers out there, some love super detail others are quite content to buy ready made models and leave then as they are so what kind of modeller are you?
A bit of both. If I wanted much extreme detail I'd go for either RTR or a larger scale, though, as I'm rather slow at building printable kits, in particular. I don't mind building and hand-painting the odd Kestrel kit, in a spare hour or two. Though, I can find it difficult to summon the will to do much modelling, unless being directed, though without even a hint of being ordered, and with a set and obvious, and explained achievement in mind.
As a relative youngster, though approaching middle age, if I was to join an MRC, then a retired ol' geezer would doubtless understand how to get the best from me. What I would like is the ability to represent a real place, with the modelled rolling stock of that place.
What eras and locations do I prefer? TOPS BR Blue, Merseyrail, mid-late 1980s Crewe (I made a huge plan of a 40ft N-gauge layout of Crewe as a youngster, from memory. Though, of course, it was completely unaffordable!), Bank Quay, Bescot yard, Saltley, Mollington Street, Chester and Lime Street, WCML BR Blue and Executive AC Electrics, Trans-Pennine 45s hauling Regional mk1s, Red Stripe Railfreight. As with many blokes, all of the trains which I grew up with, and saw at the end of the platform, I suppose.
All in all, it's a great question.
:thankyousign:
Layout: My layout is very basic with almost no scenery - my imagination/mind's eye fills in the blanks here. I make no apologies for this.
More embarrasingly, however, my track is not ballasted, and all but the most basic railway related scenery is largely absent. Despite half my layout being SR EMU territory, the third rail is lying idle at the trackside. I do make apologies for this, and will do it all when (if) I ever decide the layout is "permanent".
Trains: happy to hack, build stuff, or to modify or tinker with rtr stuff to make them "mine". Like previous responses, if i can't see details, or didn't notice it on the prototypes, I don't worry about it. Anything below platform level (bogies, compressors, etc.) or above roof level (vents, etc.) I don't lose sleep over unless it's blatantly obviously wrong.
Operations: I am obsessed by timetables, so every train movement has to be going somewhere at a certain time, and using appropriate stock. Goods, parcels and ECS can be random of course.
I am a roundy-roundy with a layout on which the details are vague
and do not represent a particular era or region, thus I have GWR
steam, or 1950s British Railways WR and SR running at separate
times, also some TEAs with a petroleum sector loco.
I'm just your average short, middle aged, slightly over weight modeller :(
Quote from: Karyn on March 29, 2013, 11:11:26 AM
I'm just your average short, middle aged, slightly over weight modeller :(
Bless - at least you're only middle aged Karyn :'(
Apart from being middle aged and slightly overweight I'm confused because I model in 00 as well and have some Hornby Dublo 3 rail! N is my favourite.
My layouts are roundy roundy and my rolling stock is largely untouched with just a few items being weathered. I try to add loco lamps and loco crew if possible and also try to run prototypical trains.
I do try to buy locos that suit my layout but sometimes buy something out of the ordinary just because I like the look of it.
I really enjoy reading about railways and doing research but don't always put what I've learned into practice.
I believe there are many different aspects and approaches to the hobby but that we should never forget that it is a hobby and it should be fun.
Regards
Veronica
:NGaugersRule:
I'm a fair weather modeller. Throughout this grey bleak winter my modelling has been confined to the warmth of the dining room in the company of Mrs H. So I have built more and more card buildings with the occasional foray down to the cantina to remind myself what the layout looks / will look like.
Its a roundy roundy with a bit of up and downy. Early to mid 60's with a few hangers on from earlier years. The rollng stock is a mix of RTR and fair number of NGS wagon kits. The idea is for industrial townscape, as Mrs H was impressed by a built up layout she saw when I dragged her screaming to an exhibition about 10 years ago. Its DC as I will never have the readies to convert unless the Superenalotto numbers come up... Oh dreams
For most of the last 25 years, an "armchair modeller" - not sure what I'm supposed to do with all the model armchairs though ....
Managed a few building kits in hotel rooms while I was working, but hat had to stop when my work changed and I had to fly everywhere - for some strange reason, they won't let me take my modelling kit in hand luggage.
Now semi-retired, just managed to start on first bit of track for a layout (Cambrian coast lines, based on Pwllheli).
In N, super levels of detail are superfluous, just needs to look right. Starting with the track - where it looks as if Wayne has come to the rescue!
For me the enjoyment is in the electronics and the software control of several trains all at once. The advent of Dcc was a boon and the modern software such as TrainController has greatly increased the level of fun I get from the trains.
I like to run trains and locomotives with lights and electronic signals with many aspects - all automated.
RTR is fine for my needs, mostly Dapol running under Lenz control on Kato unitrack - but all controlled and lit by TrainController.
We're all different aren't we............ :)
I like making things. Whether it's a layout, with mostly RTR stock, but capturing the 'feel' of somewhere, or a finely detailed bit of scratchbuilt rolling stock, capturing its essence, I don't mind - I just need to be making stuff.
I do enjoy running trains too - but 'roundy-roundy' isn't for me - it gets very boring, very quickly. End-to-end/terminus to fiddleyard layouts are more my thing, particularly if there's shunting involved.
Q: We are all Different so What kind of Modeller Are You ?
A: The constantly broke type! :laugh:
(That's 'skint' in other words or 'financially challenged' in pc talk!)
Seriously though, I'm the sort who likes making stuff.
I tend to have more interest in the non train stuff that needs to go around the trains yet the trains are still important!
Building model railways to me has always been the fun part, playing operating them to me is a nice bonus once I've built them.
And I tend to model from an artistic perspective and go with what looks right, rather than whats correct!
So What kind of Modeller Am I ?
I have absolutely no idea! :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: moogle on April 01, 2013, 12:09:23 AM
Q: We are all Different so What kind of Modeller Are You ?
A: The constantly broke type! :laugh:
(That's 'skint' in other words or 'financially challenged' in pc talk!)
Seriously though, I'm the sort who likes making stuff.
I tend to have more interest in the non train stuff that needs to go around the trains yet the trains are still important!
Building model railways to me has always been the fun part, playing operating them to me is a nice bonus once I've built them.
And I tend to model from an artistic perspective and go with what looks right, rather than whats correct!
So What kind of Modeller Am I ?
I have absolutely no idea! :smiley-laughing:
:D Thats very funny Moogle, I am a skint modeller too, thats why I build free card kits and buy second hand rolling stock, it just adds to the challenge ;) ;) ;) and I can still afford to put petrol in the car :doh:
I'm with Moogle when it comes to building the layout and getting the trains running.
I get particular pleasure in working on the scenics and buildings despite not being anything like skilled at it. When the trains run through the scenery I'm as happy as Larry.
My locos and rolling stock include GWR, LMS and a bit of SR so it's definitely Rule 1 at Hurst Hill!
Dave G
Quote from: Mollington Street on March 31, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
For me the enjoyment is in the electronics and the software control of several trains all at once. The advent of Dcc was a boon and the modern software such as TrainController has greatly increased the level of fun I get from the trains.
I like to run trains and locomotives with lights and electronic signals with many aspects - all automated.
RTR is fine for my needs, mostly Dapol running under Lenz control on Kato unitrack - but all controlled and lit by TrainController.
We're all different aren't we............ :)
Nice to come across another Train Controller fan on here, we're in the minority. Like you, I love the automated options using DCC and watching the trains go by and everything happening just as I had programmed it.
I have the additional benefit that my layout is a roundy roundy, an end to end, a branch line and has a shunting area so I get the best of all worlds. :)
Mine is also a tad unfinishedly. Tried a couple of hours today as we had an outbreak of less than grey skies, but have retreated to the warmth of the dining room to attack yet MORE Scalescenes stuff.
I have a feeling that any more progress like this and it will become a scenic layout with a bit of track.
Quote from: longbridge on March 19, 2013, 10:48:42 PMso what kind of modeller are you?
An outsider would probably see me as quite a lazy modeller.
My layout is a train set.
But, it is more of a functional desk in my office which doubles up as a train set comprising of a table top, which is still pine colour with Kato track laid on it; I've drilled massive holes through it, with provisional holes made for further point work and the track isn't even laid down! No scenery, no grass, no hills, no stations - pretty it isn't.
Moving on from the easy-to-clean-office-furniture-with-a-twist, we have my rolling stock....
I am more of a train enthusiast than a dyed in the wool modeller but I do like the rolling stock to look good so I add loads and weather my wagons.
For me at this moment, this hobby is about seeing little trains go round with the facilities for hands free shunting to add play value. My fledgling business means I don't always have the time to play trains but having decent looking rakes running around the desk while I am photo editing is certainly better than the fish tank I'd first envisaged for the office!
DavieB is an expert on fish tank and associated items, and from what I can gather that hobby is also more expensive than N gauge trains :o
Quote from: newportnobby on April 02, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
DavieB is an expert on fish tank and associated items, and from what I can gather that hobby is also more expensive than N gauge trains :o
You can say that again Mike, my Son in Law spent $6,000 on a tank with the pumping gear plus another $1,000 on fancy fish, now its downstairs full of stagnant water, all the fish died which I guess is a bit like split gears on a Farish loco.
I would never describe myself as a modeller as I have no skills whatsoever in track laying, electrics or scenery. As a career Railwayman I spent all of my career in Operations so that is my first interest. That is why I had my layout built for me. My layout is a "roundy-roundy" with a double track main line but it also has a single branch line to a small country terminus with a goods yard. I tend to have two trains running round the main lines with a train operating on the branch. It is this which gives the most interest. If the Class 108 DMU works the branch shuttle then it is boring because all it does id go back and forth. However if a loco hauled set is used then there are run round operations at each end. That at the main line end involves the outer loop service being suspended whilst the run round takes place. If it is a freight then a lot shunting takes place at each end of the branch.
Access to the network is from a fiddle yard (actually a cassette) which means that when the train reaches the main station it requires some routing or shunting depending on what direction it is to go then. I have two main line sets (5 maroon MK1's and 6 Stanier blood and custards) which just run round the main line, a DMU that can go anywhere, a loco-hauled non-corridor set, a mixed freight train and various Parcels vans. When the latter are out they have to be shunted to the Parcels Bay which is a complicated job depending on direction and usually involves stopping the job on all lines at the main line station. I have a mixture of steam and diesel locos but, much as I love steam, I soon lose patience when they don't behave and resort to diesels for some reliability.
After a lot of work ensuring track reliability, well documented elsewhere, I have now started on the scenery. I have built the platforms and station buildings for both stations and this has made a big improvement to the look of the layout. I have also built some shops. So far I have only used Metcalfe kits. I have also got some plastic kits but dread starting these because they will require painting and I know I will make a hash of that. I have also just bought some ballast but haven't yet worked how to do it on my Kato track. I realise that as I go on I will have to start on the real scenery but, as yet I have no idea How I am going to develop that. And then there is my real passion, the signalling system. Where do I start with that one? Oh for a magic wand that I could just wave over the whole thing so that I could just get on with playing with, I mean Operating, the trains.
Ron
Quote from: newportnobby on April 02, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
DavieB is an expert on fish tank and associated items, and from what I can gather that hobby is also more expensive than N gauge trains :o
I fancied a marine tank then read about how much effort, time and money is required to run it... besides, it'd be cruel of me to get one half-heartedly, only for them to die through my incompetence (and I dread to think what kind of accident could befall a tank, a collection of professional digital SLRs lenses and a pair of naughty cats)!
Have you considered a train set model railway in a marine tank?
Quote from: d-a-n on April 02, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on April 02, 2013, 08:44:02 PM
DavieB is an expert on fish tank and associated items, and from what I can gather that hobby is also more expensive than N gauge trains :o
I fancied a marine tank then read about how much effort, time and money is required to run it... besides, it'd be cruel of me to get one half-heartedly, only for them to die through my incompetence (and I dread to think what kind of accident could befall a tank, a collection of professional digital SLRs lenses and a pair of naughty cats)!
Yes Marine Tanks can be expensive to set up and require more effort to look after, Depending on what system you use :hmmm:
As for what accidents can befall a tank like this I know from bitter experience :(
I had a 4 x 2 x 2 full reef tank set up for 14 months then I went on holiday for a week and came back to what looked like 100 gallons of milk
The tank had over-heated and killed over £2500 worth of corals :'( :'( :headbutt:
So now I stick to tropical fish and model railways :)
dave :thumbsup:
Quote from: davieb on April 03, 2013, 12:09:20 AMYes Marine Tanks can be expensive to set up and require more effort to look after, Depending on what system you use :hmmm:
As for what accidents can befall a tank like this I know from bitter experience :(
I had a 4 x 2 x 2 full reef tank set up for 14 months then I went on holiday for a week and came back to what looked like 100 gallons of milk
The tank had over-heated and killed over £2500 worth of corals :'( :'( :headbutt:
So now I stick to tropical fish and model railways :)
dave :thumbsup:
What an awful thing to come home to - I'm glad it didn't put you off fish tanks for good. You should get some pictures of your tropical tank up in a new thread, I'd love to see it and it provides inspiration for the future...
I am quite a 'lone furrow' guy - in that I am quite happy modelling on my own. I don't belong to a club. Have thought about it but haven't gotten around to it. In effect I use the forum as my club.
I actually like the playing operating of the layout. I enjoy figuring out the train sequence and trying to use that for setting up a timetable. I use DCC and enjoy being able to configure the trains to run at scale speeds. I suppose in short for me modelling is about trying to create a reality but to a smaller scale.
Had a go at my first conversion last year - Build a Class 465 Networker for my layout. It went OK and I enjoyed the challenges. I have thought it through and want to build three. Two in yellow door Southeastern livery (one powered, one dummy) and one more in the blue door livery but a dummy this time. So that way I have two eight car sets.
Need to work on my freight sets. I have an intermodal to represent the service to Thamesport. I have two Cement sets for Northfleet works. I need to sort out ballast & infrastructure sets for Hoo Junction Yard and Gravel Sets for Grain Gravel.
So I suppose you could say I am nerdy because I like to research what ever I am modelling (I do aircraft as well) and I do like to get them as right as I can...
Thats about it....
A total beginner so don't know yet.
Just looking at some of grandad's tiny models I think I might let him do any really fiddly stuff.