I wrote this post the other day but it didn't appear for some reason!
I like small tank Locos, a type really ideally suitable for N Gauge.... :-X ::) ::)
Quickly exhausting the available RTF locos on the early 80's, which to be in the remotest sense usable on an LMS/BR LMR layout meant avoiding GWR (and why wouldn't you? :P ), I cast the net around, and it almost came up empty.
I'd cornered the market in Minitrix Fowler Dock Tanks (having more in model form than were ever made for real!! ::) ), and in GraFar GP tanks.
Found the L&Y 0-6-0T Saddle kit, built two.
Midland 0-6-4T "Flatiron", Fowler 2-6-4T, built but neither really fitting the "small" description.
Then.............Errr............... :hmmm:
Time passed :sleep: , a period with no active railway modelling :-[ and then back after more than 25 YEARS.........and.................... Not a lot has changed. :'(
GF "Jinty", what else, as I'm struggling??
SO, I built a North London Tank from a Fleichmann 2-6-4T chassis and parts of a Shredded Wheat body.
I built a Midland "Deeley" 0-4-0T from a Fleichmann chassis with a heavily cut, shut and modded german body.
I'm part way though building an ex-LNWR "Bissel" 0-4-2T as a very heavy mod from a GraFar 57xx.
I bought an M7 to attempt a Midland 0-4-4T variant, as yet unstarted.
I bought a 14xx to do "something", ANYTHING!!, maybe a North Staffs 0-4-4T.
Along the way I have done the UM 0-6-0 tender route and the "big loco" Patriot/Scot/Black 5 variants, etc, but it's the small tanks that attract and the itch is undiminished and the want unfulfilled.
What I REALLY REALLY want is some Midland 0-4-4Ts, several ex L&Y 2-4-2T's, long and short bunker, belpaire and round. Can't work out a way I could do the 2-4-2s though. Don't have the time or patience for complete scratch building!
Are you a small loco fan? What have YOU built?
No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??
Don't get much smaller than that ;)
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on February 17, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??
Don't get much smaller than that ;)
Paul
Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!
(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)
I model mostly LNER/early BR from the East Anglia region, but I just had to get a Terrier as they are such lovely little locos! I got mine in BR early crest - and my 'excuse' is that BR loco's didn't always stick to their original region. (Just like my BR 'blood and custard' ex-GWR diesel railcar! :o) However, I also use rule 1 - it is my railway and I will run what I like!
Quote from: Bad Raven on February 17, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: Sprintex on February 17, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??
Don't get much smaller than that ;)
Paul
Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!
(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)
Ah sorry, no idea about what ran where and when, just came to mind as a small loco ;)
Paul
I once thought using a Grafar GP tank body to make a LMS 0-4-4T (4190X series). Came a bit stuck with the chassis though, only got as far as using a Grafar chassis block with a Standard 2-6-4T bogie.
Then came the Dapol M7's and the project died.
Dodger
I only have two of the really small beasties.
The Dapol 14xx couldn't resist it when I saw it on a stand the month it came out even if I didn't have a layout in mind at the time. Shame that it struggles to drag an auto trailer up the 1 in 52 gradient on the llayout that I am building.
Going up a notch the good old Pannier tanks are a must, Damn you Dapol for bringing out the latest model when my farish one hasn't even been run in then of course the Jinty. Then there are the J94 / Austerities .
The minitrix "dock tank" despite looking as much like a creature from Mars as a real loco can happily run up said gradient with 40 + wagons behind it.
Dapol Terrier and the M7 would be on my wish list as well.
Quote from: Jerry Howlett on February 17, 2013, 12:52:35 PM
The minitrix "dock tank" despite looking as much like a creature from Mars as a real loco can happily run up said gradient with 40 + wagons behind it.
Yes, well, I can only partially agree there, as the BODY is a pretty good likeness to the 2F Fowler "Standard" Dock Tank on which it is based:-
http://www.railuk.info/gallery/notes/getimage.php?id=333 (http://www.railuk.info/gallery/notes/getimage.php?id=333)
The CHASSIS used, however, is wrong in every respect bar the number of wheels!! :doh:
I bought some Langley frets for the L&Y steam Railmotor valve gear to dress mine up a bit. :thumbsup:
There was a Peco kit yonks ago of the 2F tank, and the long unobtainable chassis for that was even worse!!
As you say, its haulage capacity and track grip is IMO a saving grace, and once dirtied up, it can really look the part.
It was the loco that got me into N Gauge and ten years research of Fleetwood , Lancashire, where some of the only ten made were based, so I can't be too hard on it!!
Quote from: Bad Raven on February 17, 2013, 12:11:16 PM
Quote from: Sprintex on February 17, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
No mention of the Dapol Terrier in there??
Don't get much smaller than that ;)
Paul
Well that's because I could not see how it could be converted into anything LMS period or even BR LMS based, as per my first post !!
(though I very nearly bought the "Brighton Works" livery version as I had footplated it while still in service)
Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!
Hi,
Been working on a Barclay 0-6-0T for a few years now. There's a photo of it in this months N Gauge Journal, bottom of page 75.
If I get it right I'm going to have 2-3 of them for my WPR layout.
Alex :wave:
Quote from: moogle on February 17, 2013, 01:15:18 PM
Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!
LMS !!!!!!
Holden would be spinning in his grave.
He was a GREAT EASTERN man.... Bl***y northernern residents know nowt !
My list of small steam engines not many ;) ;) ;)
3- Jinty's (BR, LMS, LNER)
3- J94's (NCB, BR early crest, Robert)
1- 14XX BR early crest
1- GWR 94XX Pannier tank
3-Terrier's (Stepney, Crowborough, Martello)
1-M7 BR Lined black
1-14XX BR early crest
1- 45XX slope tank BR early crest
1- 4mt BR Black
I just love the little engines as without them in the coal mines, collieries and other industrial sites and rural sleepy back waters of the UK where would we be???
(Want more different ones if anyone knows of some and were to get them?)
:NGaugersRule:
Quote from: Jerry Howlett on February 17, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
Quote from: moogle on February 17, 2013, 01:15:18 PM
Dapol Terrier chassis apparently fits under the old Graham Farish Holden Tank body with a little bit of work.
They were LMS weren't they? The body may not be brimming with detail but its better than nowt!
LMS !!!!!!
Holden would be spinning in his grave.
He was a GREAT EASTERN man.... Bl***y northernern residents know nowt !
:-[ I meant they came under LMS at the Grouping.
I know darn well they were G.E.R in glorious Ultramarine blue!
BTW I am a southener, Thames Estuary born and bred. I just live up north. :D
Err, no, not LMS at any point, the GE became LNER........
"The LNER was formed out of a number of constituent railway companies, the principal of which were:
Great Eastern Railway
Great Central Railway
Great Northern Railway
Great North of Scotland Railway
Hull and Barnsley Railway
North British Railway
North Eastern Railway"
Its good to know the Terrier fits that body though, so well done to mention it!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bad Raven on February 17, 2013, 02:46:07 PM
Err, no, not LMS at any point, the GE became LNER........
"The LNER was formed out of a number of constituent railway companies, the principal of which were:
Great Eastern Railway
Great Central Railway
Great Northern Railway
Great North of Scotland Railway
Hull and Barnsley Railway
North British Railway
North Eastern Railway"
:doh: Of course it is! Wrong side of the country.
My brains obviously not working today... ::)
Quote from: Bad Raven on February 17, 2013, 02:46:07 PM
Its good to know the Terrier fits that body though, so well done to mention it!! :thumbsup:
No problem. :thumbsup:
I'm sure there must be something LMSish that would fit the terrier chassis out there.
Though its probably a class that was in single numbers, i.e. one! :laugh:
The small steam locos I have are:
Dapol Terrier
Farish Austerity
N brass locos Peckett saddle tank on Fleischmann Chassis
Judith Edge 16'' Hunslet
Peco/Wills Manning Wardle on Farish chassis
Avonside 1101 on Fleischmann Chassis
Peco/wills b4 side tank
There's a few more about too - if you're not afraid of butchering some metal etc
Paul A.
Quote from: Bad Raven on February 17, 2013, 02:46:07 PM
Its good to know the Terrier fits that body though, so well done to mention it!! :thumbsup:
Yes, it is nice to know that they fit together as I have two Holden tanks which are terrible runners and sound like the wheels are running on the ballast on the club's layout! (Which they probably are!)
Moogle,
You can be forgiven SLIGHTLY as the Fenchurch Street -Shoeburyness (LT&S) was taken over by the LMS before coming back to the GE under British Railways. But then you were from "South of the River"..... :laugh: :laugh:
I've built an LNER ex GER F4 2-4-2 tank using a 14xx chassis and an extra pair of wheels.
There were a whole range of kits for the little mintirix T3/dock tank chassis including a 1366 pannier, Caledonian loco, GCR/LNER tank locos and so on. Also a range of Peco bodies for the early 0-4-0 Arnold chassis including an Avonside, Peckett and an LSWR B4.
Alan
Quote from: Jerry Howlett on February 17, 2013, 04:00:19 PM
Moogle,
You can be forgiven SLIGHTLY as the Fenchurch Street -Shoeburyness (LT&S) was taken over by the LMS before coming back to the GE under British Railways. But then you were from "South of the River"..... :laugh: :laugh:
Actually it was taken over by the Midland in 1912, hence went to the LMS at Grouping and was even BR London Midland Region during 1948 until (logically) transferred to the Eastern in 1949.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on February 17, 2013, 04:04:26 PM
a range of Peco bodies for the early 0-4-0 Arnold chassis including an Avonside, Peckett and an LSWR B4.
Alan
The Avonside was in the CaveNdish (W&H Models) range. The three Peco kits were the LSWR B4 and the Peckett and Manning Wardle saddle tanks. Those all came out around the same time (about 1972/3 IIRC).
Quote from: BernardTPM on February 17, 2013, 05:25:39 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on February 17, 2013, 04:04:26 PM
a range of Peco bodies for the early 0-4-0 Arnold chassis including an Avonside, Peckett and an LSWR B4.
Alan
The Avonside was in the CaveNdish (W&H Models) range. The three Peco kits were the LSWR B4 and the Peckett and Manning Wardle saddle tanks. Those all came out around the same time (about 1972/3 IIRC).
I have the Manning Wardle on a working chassis and a B4 just kept as a body but a quick swap............but guess which one I
really want...................... :hmmm: ::)
The main issue with the peco/wills kits is that they are over-wide, and look silly next to a relatively scale j94 for example.
I am yet to see a convincing job of the Peckett or b4...
The Manning Wardle isn't so much of an issue, here's mine (unfinished) on an 04 chassis with a compressed cab, new roof etc
(http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll92/1whitemoor/DSC01696.jpg)
Paul A.
I thought long and hard about getting into Minitrains that run on N gauge track, I think they are kinda cute
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Minitrains-HOn30-steam-loco-plus-8-cars-black-MS-5063-runs-N-scale-track-/370570239938?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item5647b51fc2 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Minitrains-HOn30-steam-loco-plus-8-cars-black-MS-5063-runs-N-scale-track-/370570239938?pt=AU_Toys_Hobbies_Model_Railways&hash=item5647b51fc2)
The Farish 3MT is very nice although it is probably more closely related to the GWR small prairie than anything LMS-related. There is the Dapol Ivatt 2MT of course, not sure if you really count it as "small" when it has the same number of wheels as a King or Lord Nelson. :laugh:
Quote from: longbridge on February 17, 2013, 08:17:48 PM
I thought long and hard about getting into Minitrains that run on N gauge track, I think they are kinda cute
Any larger scale narrow gauge using "N" track, while nice/"cute" as you rightly say, isn't really relative to the thrust of this thread, after all, there's not usually much of a challenge getting any mechanism into their larger bodies.
This N gauge loco is quite small;
(http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/3360/040stisthepecowillskito.jpg)
H.
Quote from: Karhedron on February 17, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
The Farish 3MT is very nice although it is probably more closely related to the GWR small prairie than anything LMS-related. There is the Dapol Ivatt 2MT of course, not sure if you really count it as "small" when it has the same number of wheels as a King or Lord Nelson. :laugh:
Yes, I rate "small" stopping below even the Ivatt 2-6-2T size wise. ;)
However, while discussing this far up the size range, I'm still working out how I can produce a Fowler 2-6-2T, I have a spare Ivatt 2-6-2T chassis!!
Quote from: H on February 18, 2013, 08:09:13 AM
This N gauge loco is quite small;
Now you are just teasing............... :P
Peco Peckett, the one I DON'T have??!!
This photo shows how wide it is however and also that it's not that small compared with the terrier
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2cu3K0QV6zA/USH-pG9I1EI/AAAAAAAADyQ/C68Sn832kTA/s1078/IMG_20130218_095632.jpg)
The terrier chassis is actually itself an interesting basis for a lot of small tank locos.
Will J over on rmweb produced this little beauty
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/351/entry-10030-gwr-toplight-carriages-and-saddle-tank-close-up-pics/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/351/entry-10030-gwr-toplight-carriages-and-saddle-tank-close-up-pics/)
Can't deny that 513 is very nicely done (apart from the Dapol house extension sized RSJ used as a brake rod!) but then GWR and green locos are really not my scene so please disregard my opinion! :laugh:
So, the Peckett is more in keeping with Lima Locos scale then............it'd look just about right with their 4F :angel: (Only joking, I STILL want one!!!)
And some of the others
(http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/Gallery/NGF/tl-2.jpg)
(http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/Gallery/NGF/tl-3.jpg)
(http://www.etchedpixels.co.uk/Gallery/NGF/tl-4.jpg)
Nice...........
All on Minitrix Mechs.....mechanically excellent, but in any sort of close up cosmetically marginal!
OK, this thread prompted me to get my camera out and take a quick n dirty pic of my MW as it stands now, a simple and very quick repaint is all it has had. Runs well though, great pulling power!
(http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/22727/MW_Web.jpg)
Pictured together with a couple of other "timeless" engines..........I keep a few unliveried to allow use in any time period.
very nice looking engines there Dave. :thumbsup:
And three more, from the left:-
Midland "Deeley" 0-4-0T from a Fleichmann German origin loco.
Peco B4 body in raw condition (sat on the same chassis as the MW, they swap in seconds)
North London Tank from a much hacked Fleichmann 2-6-0T chassis with an equally much hacked Shredded Wheat loco body. This is a particularly great little loco, far more pulling power than needed and a great resistance to dead-spotting due to the compensated chassis, even at a dead crawl.
(http://www.atomic-album.com/showPic.php/22727/B4_Web.jpg)
Interesting NLR tank loco. Which chassis did you use - and did you not find the Fleischmann ones too wide for UK?
Quote from: EtchedPixels on February 21, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Interesting NLR tank loco. Which chassis did you use - and did you not find the Fleischmann ones too wide for UK?
Looks like an old Tomix 0-6-0 to me - I tried to get a damaged one on ebay, but it went for over £70!
Paul A.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on February 21, 2013, 03:36:51 PM
Interesting NLR tank loco. Which chassis did you use - and did you not find the Fleischmann ones too wide for UK?
Hey Paul A, you calling me a fibber?? :smiley-laughing:
Given the lack of available very small wheelbase/wheel diameter chassis, and the fact that I have many other time consuming interests totally disconnected with railways so don't have the time (or skills) to fully scratch build to scale, anything I do is always going to be a compromise to some degree, however, the chassis fitted the Shredded Wheat Tank framing and front end without any hassle. Yes, I had to compromise true scale on the cab length due to motor length, but it looks the part to me, and I needed it for Cromford Wharf.
Yes, it IS a Fleischmann chassis, actually one that was being "outed" by its owner about 2001 as it was running like a kangeroo on steroids, I won't say how much it cost me as I don't remember accurately now, but I doubt it would buy some motor brushes today! A quick dismantle, clean through, removal of most of the front end, painting (as it was a red chassis/wheels model, adjusting valve gear and compensation (which it gets from the tiop sprung pickups) and off it smoothly crawled over all Cromfords pointwork....and continues to do so.
I later bought a complete loco in case I needed to do another, same type but black chassis, Fleischmann Piccolo model No 7031.
Quote from: 1whitemoor on February 17, 2013, 03:22:14 PM
The small steam locos I have are:
Dapol Terrier
Farish Austerity
N brass locos Peckett saddle tank on Fleischmann Chassis
Judith Edge 16'' Hunslet
Peco/Wills Manning Wardle on Farish chassis
Avonside 1101 on Fleischmann Chassis
Peco/wills b4 side tank
There's a few more about too - if you're not afraid of butchering some metal etc
Paul A.
Didn't realise Judith Edge did kits in 2mm/N?
They supply the etches only.
As posted on another forum, here are their range in 2mm
NER/LNER/BR EF1 Bo+Bo
LNER/BR EB1 Bo+Bo
NER/LNER/BR ES1Bo-Bo
Yorkshire Engine Janus
Hunslet 05
Hunslet 05 high cab
Hunslet 7051
Barclay D2400
Barclay class 06
Barclay class 01
English Electric/Hawthorn Leslie
BR class 17 Clayton – currently out of stock
Ruston 165DS
English Electric/Baguley
SR/Paxman BR11001
LMS/BR Jackshaft 12023-32
Hunslet MDHB No. 32
Hunslet 15"
Sentinel 0-6-0
CP Sentinel 0-6-0DH (1:160)
N5 0-6-2T
RH PWM650
NBL D2720
NBL D2745
Paul A.
How about this for a small loco: the Arida Railway tank loco currently available ready-to-run. It is designed for DC analogue - I doubt a DCC chip could be fitted unless you attach a shunters wagon to hide it in! It is manufactured by TGW (Tsugawa), catalogue number 14034, and cost me £45 including shipping by SAL from Hobby Search Co Ltd. of Japan [Email: hs-support@1999.co.jp]. My model came without the Rapido couplings fitted, giving the choice of whether or not to fit them. It runs very well but I suspect the motor is designed for 4.5 V rather than 12 V, so be careful how you apply the power!
Mike
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_15285.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15285)
For something a bit different don't forget the P D Marsh Sentinel, intended to go an a Farish DMU motor bogie but I used a Japanese TMC100 motor bogie from Ebay which needed a bit of simple work but does allow the removal of the bulge that hides the Farish motor. The chassis is a split type, wheels are on stub axles which fit into the plastic cogs, to reposition, withdraw the wheels/stub axles from the end cogs, remove the brass stub axles from the next cog in and replace with the wheels/stub axles.
Beware the motor is 4.5 Volts so you need to add a 120 ohm 1 watt resistor in place of the connecting wire
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OK so the SR didn't have any, see rule 1
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Underside showing wheels repositioned
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Chassis before minor hacking.