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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rooster on January 31, 2013, 01:07:02 PM

Title: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on January 31, 2013, 01:07:02 PM
Hi all,  I have tried running a new loco on a length of track but the the controller keeps tripping out - what am I doing wrong. I have seen the loco working in the shop i bought it from recently.

Alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: Malc on January 31, 2013, 02:40:08 PM
Hi,
Does the controller trip out without the loco on the track?
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on January 31, 2013, 04:58:15 PM
Hi Malc, Yes it does. I have checked the motor off track and it works fine.

Alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: Malc on January 31, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
Hi Alan,

and we are talking DC here, not DCC. If it were me, I'd connect an ammeter in series with one of the power feeds and see what sort of current you are drawing. By a length of track, are we talking about a straight section, a loop or something more complicated that has points etc?

Malc
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: swisstony on January 31, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
Is it Dapol per chance?

My money is on one of the wheel sets having the centre spline too long and shorting the wheel out, test with a multimeter the resistance of each wheel side
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: Jack on January 31, 2013, 05:38:18 PM
I can't see it being loco related as Alan reports that the track has shorts without the loco on the track (#3).

Might be worth giving you track a good vac clean, unseen debris could be a problem and also double check that you haven't accidentally crossed wired one of your track power feeds.
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: swisstony on January 31, 2013, 05:44:49 PM
Sorry my bad I misread the reply ;) does sound like a track shorting issues definitely!
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on January 31, 2013, 07:44:41 PM
Thanks for the reply,s. I will borrow the ammeter from my 1954 Matchless (motorcycle) and check tomorrow.

Alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: painbrook on January 31, 2013, 08:17:44 PM
Are any of you boffins able to explain in basic lingo what you can do with a multimeter and how you do it. More importantly what the readings mean. Remember (speaking for myself) you are dealing with a simpleton. Cheers john. :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on February 01, 2013, 12:49:03 PM
Problem solved. I borrowed my neighbours 00 controller and everything works. Can anyone reccomend a decent N controller. (I used an old Hornby circa 1980,s). Thanks for all your comments.

Alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: scotsoft on February 01, 2013, 01:10:15 PM
The basic Bachmann controllers work OK and can often be picked up on eBay quite cheap but they can go for stupid prices as well.

Here are a few I found on eBay that are due over the next few days.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-OO-and-N-gauge-locomotive-controller-and-transformer-/271145291837?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3f2184d03d (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-OO-and-N-gauge-locomotive-controller-and-transformer-/271145291837?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item3f2184d03d)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-Set-transformer-track-controller-Wiring-for-OO-00-N-gauge-12-V-/281056562879?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item417046cebf (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-Set-transformer-track-controller-Wiring-for-OO-00-N-gauge-12-V-/281056562879?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item417046cebf)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-OO-or-N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Power-Controller-New-From-Set-/111007465161?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d88f7ec9 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bachmann-OO-or-N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Power-Controller-New-From-Set-/111007465161?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d88f7ec9)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-GRAHAM-FARISH-BACHMANN-TRANSFORMER-CONTROLLER-/190784716239?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2c6ba7bdcf (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-GAUGE-GRAHAM-FARISH-BACHMANN-TRANSFORMER-CONTROLLER-/190784716239?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2c6ba7bdcf)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BACHMANN-SINGLE-TRACK-CONTROLLER-TRANSFORMER-/200886258219?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ec5c10a2b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BACHMANN-SINGLE-TRACK-CONTROLLER-TRANSFORMER-/200886258219?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item2ec5c10a2b)


Place an advert in the classifieds, there just might be someone who has one lying about doing nothing  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: Jack on February 01, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Assuming you use DC, while you are looking for Bachmann Controllers on eBay why not look for s/h Gaugemaster D controller which is a double track controller with Aux Outputs. Gaugemaster controllers are solid bits of kit.

For example:-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaugemaster-Twin-track-controller-Model-D-/111005874082?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d87737a2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaugemaster-Twin-track-controller-Model-D-/111005874082?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d87737a2)
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: guest311 on February 01, 2013, 01:28:53 PM
or look at the Morley controllers.

come as twin or four track, with handheld controls as well, and include CDU.

http://www.morleycontrollers.com/ (http://www.morleycontrollers.com/)

alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: Sprintex on February 01, 2013, 01:30:20 PM
Quote from: Jack9465 on February 01, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Assuming you use DC, while you are looking for Bachmann Controllers on eBay why not look for s/h Gaugemaster D controller which is a double track controller with Aux Outputs.

I'd recommend those too  :thumbsup:

I bought one second-hand from Ebay for testing new locos before DCC-ing and it's been great, now it's also being used to power point motors, signals and lights on the layout, great bit of kit :)


Paul
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: swisstony on February 01, 2013, 02:01:48 PM
I have a Bachmann one with no power supply you can have for free if it would be any use?
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: jonclox on February 01, 2013, 04:27:41 PM
Quote from: Jack9465 on February 01, 2013, 01:25:20 PM
Assuming you use DC, while you are looking for Bachmann Controllers on eBay why not look for s/h Gaugemaster D controller which is a double track controller with Aux Outputs. Gaugemaster controllers are solid bits of kit.

For example:-
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaugemaster-Twin-track-controller-Model-D-/111005874082?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d87737a2 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaugemaster-Twin-track-controller-Model-D-/111005874082?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item19d87737a2)
I 'invested' in 2 of them about 3 years back. brilliant bits of kit
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on February 01, 2013, 07:51:35 PM
Thanks for all the replys and offers. What a great forum :

Alan
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: keithfre on February 02, 2013, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: painbrook on January 31, 2013, 08:17:44 PM
Are any of you boffins able to explain in basic lingo what you can do with a multimeter and how you do it.
Google using a multimeter, you'll find lots of links.
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: scotsoft on February 02, 2013, 04:24:39 PM
Quote from: painbrook on January 31, 2013, 08:17:44 PM
Are any of you boffins able to explain in basic lingo what you can do with a multimeter and how you do it. More importantly what the readings mean. Remember (speaking for myself) you are dealing with a simpleton. Cheers john. :goggleeyes:

You could also do a search in You Tube where you will get many tutorials on how to use a multimeter.
I find it easier to watch someone doing it  ;)

cheers John.
Title: Re: Loco test problem
Post by: rooster on February 02, 2013, 09:01:40 PM
Cheers Guys. I,ll take your advice.

Alan