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Title: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Shiney Sheff on September 05, 2019, 08:40:46 AM
Does anyone know if Farish are going to produce more of the Maroon Mk1 Pullman coaches, A rake of two is hardly inspiring  :thankyousign:

Bob
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Paul-H on September 05, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
And not only, only 2 but both are Parlour Cars, 213 & 214 so no  kitchen cars either, what a rubbish Pullman service that would be ;)
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 05, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Farish probably only did the two in maroon because that's all WCRC did in overall maroon  ;)
Remember, these models represent the vehicles in post-privatisation charter train condition. As far as I'm aware, they weren't used in an all Pullman rake, they were used as premium accommodation in a rake otherwise consisting of ordinary .mk1s...
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Bealman on September 05, 2019, 11:34:07 PM
Interesting. That I did not know! Thanks!

That would certainly seem to explain it, then.  :beers:
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 06, 2019, 01:45:58 AM
this list confirms coacahing stock in use on charters :


http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html (http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html)

scroll down to those used by WCRC
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Bingley Hall on September 06, 2019, 04:52:10 AM
Always best to sink the boot in first and ask questions later.
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Newportnobby on September 06, 2019, 09:47:57 AM
[gmod]And what has prompted that piece of venom?[/gmod]
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 06, 2019, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 06, 2019, 09:47:57 AM
And what has prompted that piece of venom?
I'd guess the first two posts in the thread, unfairly criticising Farish for not producing a model of something that didn't exist... Being charitable we could put it down to naivety about what they are looking at or lack of research before posting; but there are some on the forum who have 'form' for this...
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Paul-H on September 07, 2019, 10:40:47 AM
The first two posts?

I take it you lack the ability to spot a tongue in cheek post then.

;)
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Bealman on September 07, 2019, 10:51:18 AM
Well I assume you knew the background, then.

I did not, and the post from PLD  explained it.

If your post was tongue in cheek, I had no way of knowing that!

I've learned something here!  :beers:
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Paul-H on September 07, 2019, 01:41:52 PM
The little  ;) is often used to signify that what was just said was said with a little lightheartedness.

Thats my understanding, others may differ and they are obviously entitled to differ  :wave:
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: REGP on September 07, 2019, 05:00:49 PM
Quote from: PLD on September 05, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Remember, these models represent the vehicles in post-privatisation charter train condition. As far as I'm aware, they weren't used in an all Pullman rake, they were used as premium accommodation in a rake otherwise consisting of ordinary .mk1s...

This makes we wonder if BR ever did something similar, maybe adding an extra few Parlour cars without a kitchen service, to a Pullman or other service anyone know?

Ray
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 07, 2019, 05:47:15 PM
Quote from: REGP on September 07, 2019, 05:00:49 PMThis makes we wonder if BR ever did something similar, maybe adding an extra few Parlour cars without a kitchen service, to a Pullman or other service anyone know?
There's been quite a few threads discussing the use of Pullmans. A couple of the most recent examples below:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27070.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=27070.0)
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45853.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=45853.0)
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 07, 2019, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: Paul-H on September 07, 2019, 10:40:47 AMThe first two posts?
I take it you lack the ability to spot a tongue in cheek post then.
Interpreting the intent is much harder in the written word than verbal...

Your post could be easily interpreted as supporting a post digging at Farish or as a put-down to the author of that post.

The OP fits a recent pattern of questions asked in the form "why hasn't manufacturer X done whatever" when a little research would have shown that what they're questioning the lack of never existed...
Recent example here (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=46411.0) bemoaning the lack of additional coaches for Blue Pullmans and how many times have Farish been criticised for the absence of Mk1 Pullman Brakes??

As I said above, it's more likely to be naivety about what posters are looking at or lack of research before posting rather than any mallintent towards the manufacturers...
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Shiney Sheff on September 07, 2019, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: PLD on September 07, 2019, 05:56:33 PM
Quote from: Paul-H on September 07, 2019, 10:40:47 AMThe first two posts?
I take it you lack the ability to spot a tongue in cheek post then.
Interpreting the intent is much harder in the written word than verbal...

Your post could be easily interpreted as supporting a post digging at Farish or as a put-down to the author of that post.

The OP fits a recent pattern of questions asked in the form "why hasn't manufacturer X done whatever" when a little research would have shown that what they're questioning the lack of never existed...
Recent example here (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=46411.0) bemoaning the lack of additional coaches for Blue Pullmans and how many times have Farish been criticised for the absence of Mk1 Pullman Brakes??

As I said above, it's more likely to be naivety about what posters are looking at or lack of research before posting rather than any mallintent towards the manufacturers...


I thought the idea of the forum was to ask all the knowledgeable people out there for answers,  that would perhaps take hours of internet searching.
If I have offended you then I apologise, but I will still continue to ask questions as and when I have done searches and not found the answers to my questions.

Bob
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 08, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on September 07, 2019, 09:44:30 PMI thought the idea of the forum was to ask all the knowledgeable people out there for answers,  that would perhaps take hours of internet searching.
Indeed it is, no problem asking questions, however the issue is in the implication that Farish are somehow "wrong" not to have produced more mk1 Pullmans in WCRC Maroon if you don't know whether there were any more prototypes for them to replicate...
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on September 05, 2019, 08:40:46 AMA rake of two is hardly inspiring
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 08, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
as far as aware wcrc only have two pullmans painted in maroon


http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html (http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html)

so maybe why two were only reproduced / modelled
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: PLD on September 08, 2019, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 08, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
as far as aware wcrc only have two pullmans painted in maroon

http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html (http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html)

so maybe why two were only reproduced / modelled
Which is exactly what I said 3 days ago!
Quote from: PLD on September 05, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Farish probably only did the two in maroon because that's all WCRC did in overall maroon  ;)
Remember, these models represent the vehicles in post-privatisation charter train condition. As far as I'm aware, they weren't used in an all Pullman rake, they were used as premium accommodation in a rake otherwise consisting of ordinary .mk1s...
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Shiney Sheff on September 08, 2019, 09:08:46 PM
Quote from: PLD on September 08, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on September 07, 2019, 09:44:30 PMI thought the idea of the forum was to ask all the knowledgeable people out there for answers,  that would perhaps take hours of internet searching.
Indeed it is, no problem asking questions, however the issue is in the implication that Farish are somehow "wrong" not to have produced more mk1 Pullmans in WCRC Maroon if you don't know whether there were any more prototypes for them to replicate...
Quote from: Shiney Sheff on September 05, 2019, 08:40:46 AMA rake of two is hardly inspiring

I am not getting into slagging match, but there was NO implication that Farish was wrong in any way, it was just a mere questions as to wether any more different ones would be produced. I now know that there were only two in the real world by asking the original question, which was answered satisfactory by your good self.

Bob
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Ollie3440 on September 11, 2019, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: PLD on September 08, 2019, 12:10:21 PM
Quote from: crewearpley40 on September 08, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
as far as aware wcrc only have two pullmans painted in maroon

http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html (http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html)

so maybe why two were only reproduced / modelled
Which is exactly what I said 3 days ago!
Quote from: PLD on September 05, 2019, 10:36:08 PM
Farish probably only did the two in maroon because that's all WCRC did in overall maroon  ;)
Remember, these models represent the vehicles in post-privatisation charter train condition. As far as I'm aware, they weren't used in an all Pullman rake, they were used as premium accommodation in a rake otherwise consisting of ordinary .mk1s...

In total 4 MK1 Pullman PSPs have worn Maroon for West coast. 99347, 99348, 99350 and 99352. Of these only 99347 is still in Msroon. The other three are now running in Umber/Cream and carry non prototypical names as opposed to threir car numbers that would be correct.

Cheers

Ollie

:NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 11, 2019, 09:30:28 PM
Thanks for clarifying ollie.
Title: Re: Farish Mk1 SP Pullman
Post by: Shiney Sheff on September 11, 2019, 10:32:14 PM

In total 4 MK1 Pullman PSPs have worn Maroon for West coast. 99347, 99348, 99350 and 99352. Of these only 99347 is still in Msroon. The other three are now running in Umber/Cream and carry non prototypical names as opposed to threir car numbers that would be correct.

Cheers

Ollie

:NGaugersRule:
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Nice one Ollie.

So perhaps the other two may get produced 

Bob