Hi all,
I'd like to bring to your attention my Website and Shapeways.com shop. Most of my products are LNER based but I'm slowly getting some other railway companies into the range as well.
Some of these bodies have been designed to fit on specific chassis while others have been left to the purchaser to decide what is best for them.
My current range consists of:
- LNER N2
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/3D%20Prints/N2Complete4_zps28d58bff.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/3D%20Prints/N2Complete4_zps28d58bff.jpg.html)
- LNER K3
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/3D%20Prints/K31_zps2071fc5d.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/3D%20Prints/K31_zps2071fc5d.jpg.html)
- LNER L1
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/LNERL1leftside_zps69cc2069.jpeg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/LNERL1leftside_zps69cc2069.jpeg.html)
- LNER Group Standard Tender Body
- LNER Bogie Brick Wagon
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/3D%20Prints/BrickWagon1.png) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/3D%20Prints/BrickWagon1.png.html)
- LMS Patriot
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/117_zps08a527b0.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/117_zps08a527b0.jpg.html)
My website is:
http://atso-cadmodels.co.uk/ (http://atso-cadmodels.co.uk/)
Direct link to my Shapeways shop:
https://www.shapeways.com/designer/Atso (https://www.shapeways.com/designer/Atso)
Thanks Steve,
They look superb :thumbsup:
Quote from: Only Me on December 06, 2013, 10:26:26 PM
Very nice indeed. May i ask what thickness the bodies are in FUD please?
Thanks Paul
Thanks Paul and Newportnobby!
The wall thicknesses for the locos are 1mm. The bogie brick wagon is a little under but I've not experienced any warping with these.
For anyone considering buy a 3D printed model, I've created a short article on the website giving some advice on how to get the best from a 3D print. The article can be found here: http://atso-cadmodels.co.uk/page9.htm (http://atso-cadmodels.co.uk/page9.htm)
Hi all,
I'm looking at some more loco bodies to design for 3D prints in 2014. So far I've got the following list of suggestions:
LNER:
- Peppercorn K1 (Kato C11/Union Mills hybrid)
- Gresley K4 (Kato C11/Union Mills hybrid)
- J50 (Forthcoming Farish Jinty or Pannier chassis)
- J52 (Forthcoming Farish Jinty or Pannier chassis)
Southern
- LBSCR K Class (Farish 4MT tender loco?)
- SECR P Class (Dapol Terrier chassis)
- SECR H Class (Dapol M7 chassis)
- LSWR O2 (Dapol M7 chassis)
LMS
- Original Condition Royal Scott (Farish Rebuild Scott chassis)
- Stanier 4P 2-6-4 (Farish Fairburn tank chassis)
- Ivatt Class 4 (Farish 4MT tender loco chassis)
BR:
- 3MT Tender loco (Farish 4MT chassis)
If anyone has any other suggestions, please feel free to post them here (also chassis suggestions would be most welcome!) - I've not got any GWR yet!
Edit: Oh, and I've not done any Diesels yet!
Quote from: Atso on December 06, 2013, 09:23:56 PM
I'd like to bring to your attention my Website and Shapeways.com shop. Most of my products are LNER based but I'm slowly getting some other railway companies into the range as well.
Anyone who doubts that 3D printing is the future of this hobby would do well to take a long hard look at your excellent models!
Quote from: Atso on December 13, 2013, 08:00:41 PM
I'm looking at some more loco bodies to design for 3D prints in 2014. So far I've got the following list of suggestions:
- Original Condition Royal Scott (Farish Rebuild Scott chassis)
- Stanier 4P 2-6-4 (Farish Fairburn tank chassis)
Would you consider doing versions of the above suitable for the old style Farish Duchess and 2-6-4T chassis ?
I'd be interested in a Patriot as well as a Royal Scot.
Good luck & Best Regards,
Joe
4 Southern locos I've already built. It's a conspiracy ;o)
Other Southern suggestions: LBSCR Gladstone, LBSCR Atlantic, LSWR King Arthur & SER R Class 0-6-0.
LNER: GER T26/LNER E4, G5
LMS: Turbomotive, Streamlined Coronation
GWR: anything, they all look the same (donning steel helmet and running for cover ;o))
And finally how about a Southern Leader
Gareth
Quote from: thebrighton on December 13, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
4 Southern locos I've already built. It's a conspiracy ;o)
Other Southern suggestions: LBSCR Gladstone, LBSCR Atlantic, LSWR King Arthur & SER R Class 0-6-0.
LNER: GER T26/LNER E4, G5
LMS: Turbomotive, Streamlined Coronation
GWR: anything, they all look the same (donning steel helmet and running for cover ;o))
And finally how about a Southern Leader
Gareth
:laughabovepost: Yes, you've already done the hard work proving that the chassis can be adapted to fit!
LBSCR Atlantic is a possibility as I can use the same methods I'm currently employing for my GNR Atlantic. The King Arthur could be interested as it runs with an eight wheel tender if I'm not mistaken...
R class, how big are the wheels. Looks like a nice one to model but what one earth did you power the Gladstone with?
Hmmm, a Leader...
LNER G5 and E4 both could make an appearance sometime soon!
Good choices for the LMS, I guess that could also lead to a GT3 based on a Black Five...
If you're running for cover for your thought on the GWR then save some room in the foxhole for me too!
Joe, the Patriot is already part of the range using the Farish Jubilee chassis. It might just fit over one of the older Farish mechs with a little filling on the top of the motor. As to the others, I'd need the chassis to see fit it would be feasible to do a version for both - remember though the 3D print is plastic so it wouldn't be as heavy as the old Farish bodies and therefore would need additional weight (if there's room for it!).
Vanders, thank you for the kind comments! :)
Quote from: Atso on December 13, 2013, 10:30:55 PM
LBSCR Atlantic is a possibility as I can use the same methods I'm currently employing for my GNR Atlantic. The King Arthur could be interested as it runs with an eight wheel tender if I'm not mistaken...
R class, how big are the wheels. Looks like a nice one to model but what one earth did you power the Gladstone with?
Re the Atlantic following your GNR one; my thoughts exactly :)
The R's wheels are 5ft 2in and a 15ft 6in wheelbase with the front 2 slightly closer together but my drawing is lacking in info!
The Gladstone is easy as I'd follow the same procedure as my G Class Single. The Union Mills tender drive fits the bill. You just need to pop the wheels out, remove the gears and fit them on Farish tender wheels then add pickups to one side with the loco picking up from the other side. It's tried and tested and works very well :thumbsup:
Gareth
With quite a few LMS and SR locos already being covered above, I'd have to ask for a S&DJR 'Scottie' 0-6-0 tender loco built by the Vulcan Foundry in 1890.
The only photo I could find that was remotely close was this 1879 version by the Vulcan Foundry, which was also for the S&D. Probably a bit too complicated for now, though...?
http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/locomotives/no%20896-899%20somerset%20&%20dorset%20no25-28%201881.jpg (http://www.enuii.org/vulcan_foundry/photographs/locomotives/no%20896-899%20somerset%20&%20dorset%20no25-28%201881.jpg)
Joe, the Patriot is already part of the range using the Farish Jubilee chassis. It might just fit over one of the older Farish mechs with a little filling on the top of the motor. [/quote]
Had a look at the Patriot on your web site - it looks the business.
Further to your advice above, would it be possible to file the interior of the body shell instead of the top of the motor to make it fit ?
I'm assuming that the wall thickness of the body is around 2 to 3 mm.
Best regards,
Joe
Quote from: joe cassidy on December 14, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
Further to your advice above, would it be possible to file the interior of the body shell instead of the top of the motor to make it fit ?
I'm assuming that the wall thickness of the body is around 2 to 3 mm.
Sorry Steve - I just discovered reading earlier posts that you've already given the wall thickness as 1 mm.
Turning to nomenclature, we refer to 3-D white metal or resin castings as "castings".
Should we refer to your products as "printings" ?
Best regards,
Joe
Quote from: joe cassidy on December 14, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
Quote from: joe cassidy on December 14, 2013, 06:31:45 PM
Further to your advice above, would it be possible to file the interior of the body shell instead of the top of the motor to make it fit ?
I'm assuming that the wall thickness of the body is around 2 to 3 mm.
Sorry Steve - I just discovered reading earlier posts that you've already given the wall thickness as 1 mm.
Turning to nomenclature, we refer to 3-D white metal or resin castings as "castings".
Should we refer to your products as "printings" ?
Best regards,
Joe
Hi Joe, I believe the term used is 3D prints. I've found a 1mm wall thickness is the thinnest thickness possible for a loco body without the risk of the print warping. Some models, such as the bogie brick wagon are slightly thinner than this (the planking but the base is thicker) with several models printed to date and no sign of warping.
Another issue that may be a problem is that the Patriot has been designed to fit the wheelbase of the Jubilee, the generic wheelbase of the older Farish models may not line up with the splashers. Unfortunately, I do not own any suitable older Farish models to test this for you.
If there is not sufficient space to fit the motor then you could always substitute a Union Mills tender drive with the loco chassis freewheeling.
Hi,
I would be interested in a GNR/LNER K2 2-6-0 to fit a Farish 4MT 2-6-0 chassis, a LNER N5 0-6-2 tank with suitable chassis which may be a Farish 3MT as modified for the N2 and a GNR/LNER D2 or D3 with a tender drive either a Farish or Union mills.
Could the K3 fit on an older Farish chassis, such as a black five or crab, with a tender drive from Union Mills replacing the motor?. I have two of the tender drives spare.
I will also look forward to the J52 and won the road maybe a GER/LNER D16!
Keith Robson
Great work Atso. If you ever get around to some Barclay 0-6-0T I'd be interested.
http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10011.htm (http://www.srpsmuseum.org.uk/10011.htm)
Alex :wave:
Quote from: geminijkr on December 30, 2013, 07:05:36 PM
Hi,
I would be interested in a GNR/LNER K2 2-6-0 to fit a Farish 4MT 2-6-0 chassis, a LNER N5 0-6-2 tank with suitable chassis which may be a Farish 3MT as modified for the N2 and a GNR/LNER D2 or D3 with a tender drive either a Farish or Union mills.
Could the K3 fit on an older Farish chassis, such as a black five or crab, with a tender drive from Union Mills replacing the motor?. I have two of the tender drives spare.
I will also look forward to the J52 and won the road maybe a GER/LNER D16!
Keith Robson
Hi,
Yes I'm thinking of a K2 along those lines as well so this may well appear in the future. I've actually designed a D2 as a personal project for use with a modified Dapol B1 (as I've got several of these!) the design needs a little tweeking as I've had to remove material from inside the cab to get everything to fit but my current prgress can be found in my personal workbench thread along with a D16/3 created along similar lines: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16157.15 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=16157.15)
An N5 sounds interest but I'd need to source some drawings for it first. I believe that Worsley Works does an etched kit for this already though.
I have no idea if my K3 body will fit an unmotorised Crab chassis as I don't have one to hand. I'll see if I can dig out any drawings for the Crab and compare the wheelbases, etc. The only thing I can foresee as being a problem is lowering the cylinders as these were mounted very high up on the Crab. I've been playing with converting a Kato C11 chassis for the K3 which can also be found on my workbench thread. The K3 body will need some modest redesigning to fit properly and again you'd need to ditch the original motor and run it off a Union Mills tender drive but so far it seems quite an easy conversion.
Alex, the Barclay 0-6-0 looks great! Do you have any ideas where drawings can be sourced?
Hi Atso,
All I have is a basic line drawing of the engine. I reckon it would fit on a Grafar GP Tank chassis. I've trying to scratchbuild my own for a few years now but they never turn out very great.
I'll look out the drawing and email it to you if you are interested.
Alex :wave:
Quote from: Alex on December 30, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Hi Atso,
All I have is a basic line drawing of the engine. I reckon it would fit on a Grafar GP Tank chassis. I've trying to scratchbuild my own for a few years now but they never turn out very great.
I'll look out the drawing and email it to you if you are interested.
Alex :wave:
Yes please! Many thanks.
Geminijkr, I've had a quick look at the 4MT against a K3 (can't find the K2 drawings at the moment) and while the wheelbase is out, I think that you could get away with it in N! Also according the my drawings the Crab chassis should fit under the K3 minus motor - however this is entirely dependant on how much Farish originally stretched/compressed the chassis to fit. You'd still need to lower the cylinders though...
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the info. How do you attach the chassis to the body? Does the print material hold a thread or can you glue a washer in the body to take the attaching bolt? I may just take the plunge and try for a K3 on a 4MT chassis.
Best regards
Keith
Quote from: geminijkr on December 31, 2013, 01:57:37 AM
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the info. How do you attach the chassis to the body? Does the print material hold a thread or can you glue a washer in the body to take the attaching bolt? I may just take the plunge and try for a K3 on a 4MT chassis.
Best regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
The K3 was designed around the Farish V2 chassis so actually doesn't have any screw positions as it can clip into the chassis. Where possible I like to go for interference fits (a small blob of blu tack works wonders if you're concerned about the body falling off) as the FUD is unlikely to hold a screw thread in the long term. Another method I've employed is to use a small amount of milliput and embed the screw (with a light layer of oil) into that - I've not had a thread strip yet! The problem is that many modellers like to use different chassis and therefore it would be impossible to account for all the difference mounting positions.
Hope this helps.
Hi Steve,
That's very helpful, Thank you. I do have a V2 which I could use. It has never had great haulage power so maybe I can use that and add some weight to improve it. Although I suspect that the drag from the tender is major part of the problem so I might have to do something about that. The K3 was predominantly used for fast goods in the area I am modelling or seaside specials in the summer the weekends so it needs to have good traction up my gradient (which is not too steep).
Regards
Keith
Quote from: geminijkr on December 31, 2013, 04:08:20 PM
Hi Steve,
That's very helpful, Thank you. I do have a V2 which I could use. It has never had great haulage power so maybe I can use that and add some weight to improve it. Although I suspect that the drag from the tender is major part of the problem so I might have to do something about that. The K3 was predominantly used for fast goods in the area I am modelling or seaside specials in the summer the weekends so it needs to have good traction up my gradient (which is not too steep).
Regards
Keith
Although still on my "unfinished" pile I have one of Steve's K3 3D prints and very nice it is too I must say.
My solution to the chassis problem (As my V2 motor had failed anyway) was to strip out the motor and reduction gearing from the V2 chassis leaving it totally free-rolling. I then employed an unaltered Union Mills Group Standard tender-drive to provide power.
To reduce friction I stripped pickups from one side of the loco chassis and it now collects in the same way as UM (opposing sides loco/tender). It works very well indeed.
I just need to do Steve's excellent 3D print justice and find time to finish and paint the loco...
Regards
Roy
Thanks Roy. That sounds perfect. I will follow that route. Do you have any more tips on fitting the body and connecting the tender?
Regards
Keith
Hi Steve and Roy,
You will be happy to know I have placed an order for the K3 from Shapeways and propose to follow Roy's route of V2 chassis and Union mills tender. Does the kit come with instructions on modifying the V2 chassis to fit. If not any advice would be welcome.
Happy New Year to everyone
Keith Robson
Hi, sorry no instructions.
However, if you're not planning on replacing the driving wheels the modifications to the chassis are simple. Pull off the rear pony truck and put in the spares box, you've now got a 2-6-0 configuration. Remove the motor as it won't be required and place the body on top. You'll find there is a little 'U' shaped plastic clip that holds the V2 body to the chassis behind the cab backhead, this helps to retain the K3 body - there are a couple of notches inside the cab for this.
The Union Mills tender drawbar can be modified to fit the Farish connection. Simply enlarge the hole in the loco end of the drawbar until it fits snugly on the loco connection pin.
If you wish to use closer to scale wheels the Union Mills J39 wheels are a good bet. However, you'll need to carefully enlarge the centre driving wheels crank pin hole to take the Farish crank pin for the valve gear. All the other wheels can retain the Union Mills crank pin. The advantage of this is that (1) you'll get close to scale driving wheels and (2) you can discard the Farish pickup system for use with the tender drive.
If you wish to go the whole hog then you can filedown the chassis where the cylinders and valve gear retention bracket sit but about 0.5-1mm depending which wheels you're using. This will allow the body to sit pretty much at scale height to the rails.
Hope this helps, PM me if you get into difficulties.
Cheers
Referring back to the K2, I've managed to dig out my drawings for this as well as the 4MT. I've scanned them into the computer and superimposed them and so far the 4MT looking potentially very promising as a donor model for the K2.
What does everyone else think? The 4MT is in red while the K2 is in blue.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/4MTandK2Superimposed_zpsa7895faa.png) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/4MTandK2Superimposed_zpsa7895faa.png.html)
Hi Steve,
I would definitely go for a couple of these. The chassis looks close enough not to notice the difference in N Gauge and having a reliable chassis is most desirable and I suspect that a lot of people like me find making a reliable free running chassis the most challenging part. The mods look reasonably easy to do without changing any of the basic mechanics and the tender dimensions are a bit lower but would appear to be capable of taking the Farish motor.
Keith
Quote from: geminijkr on January 02, 2014, 02:56:52 AM
Hi Steve,
I would definitely go for a couple of these. The chassis looks close enough not to notice the difference in N Gauge and having a reliable chassis is most desirable and I suspect that a lot of people like me find making a reliable free running chassis the most challenging part. The mods look reasonably easy to do without changing any of the basic mechanics and the tender dimensions are a bit lower but would appear to be capable of taking the Farish motor.
Keith
Hi Keith,
I agree the wheelbase is close enough that most people would notice. The cylinders would need to be lowered by about 1mm or so but what about the equally spaced wheelbase of the 4MT tender compared to the K2?
It occurs to me that the 4MT may make a better starting point for the K3 as well. However you'd need to do something about the 4MT's double slid bars. How big an issue would people feel this is? One solution is to sell a bumper pack of the K2 (or K3) and a J6, that way the various components from the 4MT and B1 could be swapped over to create more accurate models of both locos as below:
Parts
K2/K3
4MT Loco chassis (Cylinders lowered and almost correct wheelbase)
B1 tender (unequal wheelbase and no need to swap the body for the K3)
B1 Wheels (Actually undersized on the Farish B1 at a scale 5'10 opposed to the B1's 6'2 drivers and the K2/K3's 5'8 drivers. Simple swap?)
B1 slidebars on 4MT valve gear (K3 only)
J6
B1 Loco chassis (cut down but totally correct wheelbase)
4MT tender (equal wheelbase)
4MT Wheels
Between these three locos some rather accurate models appear to be possible. With the K3 Farish now produces 3 of the four tender tops that it would've run with - the exception being the GNR tender which would need to be very slightly stretched to fit the tender drive. Would people go for a two in one deal though?
Quote from: geminijkr on December 31, 2013, 05:02:08 PM
Thanks Roy. That sounds perfect. I will follow that route. Do you have any more tips on fitting the body and connecting the tender?
Regards
Keith
When I get a few mins at the weekend I will put a pic of the chassis in my Media folder. It is very straightforward to modify. I have left the traction weight in situ as it makes no difference to the UM drive's capacity but was thinking about reducing the height slightly.
Fixing the body will involve nothing more than double sided tape which is surprisingly effective.
i am also considering adding a basic cab interior as there is no motor/flywheel to acommodate now.
Regards
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on January 02, 2014, 11:42:06 AMWhen I get a few mins at the weekend I will put a pic of the chassis in my Media folder. It is very straightforward to modify. I have left the traction weight in situ as it makes no difference to the UM drive's capacity but was thinking about reducing the height slightly.
Fixing the body will involve nothing more than double sided tape which is surprisingly effective.
i am also considering adding a basic cab interior as there is no motor/flywheel to acommodate now.
Regards
Roy
Thanks Roy. I'd keep the V2 chassis weight personally as it will only improve it's road handling if retained. In my pre 3D printing days I tried one without the weight on a scratchbuild and found it had a devil of a time staying on the track!
Have you got any pictures of your progress to date please?
Cheers
Hi Steve/ Roy,
I would probably go for a package of K2/J6 based on what you are suggesting. I have an aversion to changing wheels and valve gear but have no problem making the other changes suggested. I don't think the tender wheel spacing is critical as long as the axle boxes are in line with the axles as no one ever comments on the Union Mills tender wheels even when I haven't painted them black. You really have to be a rivet counter to notice the difference as the tender chassis and axles boxes disguise the differences.
Now I am committed to the K3 I like the idea I can put a crew on the footplate.
Regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
Thanks for the feedback regarding this years models. The nice thing about the modern Farish wheels before they switched to split frame chassis is that they are interchangeable. As you'd likely need to remove the wheels and valve gear for the K2 conversion anyway then surely you may as well swap the wheels as well. The J6 will need the 4MT wheels to be approximately to scale.
Glad you've chosen to go for the K3, scratch building a footplate and basic backhead shouldn't be too difficult. :D
Looks like 2014 is going to be an interesting year.
Keith
I'd like to see a few SR - ex LSWR - types, an Adams tender body to fit the UM drive, the UM 0395 has a Drummond tender same as the 700 class and T9 which is incorrect, with that available some other Adams classes become possible, A12 0-4-2, and one of the later Adams 4-4-0s, class X6, (same body could almost be used for for X2 and T3 and T6,- different drivers or spacing)) X6 probably the better choice of the 4, due to drivers at 6'7 and 9'0" spacing; can a chassis be printed as part of the body, or as a separate item? UM will, I believe, sell a set of drivers, would need to know sizes so nearest to correct can be ordered (and wheel spacing if they are supplied with coupling rods - I can measure up a T9 and 2P and may also still have a set for a D20)
Other ex LSWR classes which lasted well were Drummond 4-4-0s, of classes K10, L11, S11, L12 and D15, the only Drummond 4-6-0 to survive to BR days was the T14, considerably modified by Maunsell.
I notice an earlier mention of an N15, King Arthur, BHE do a white metal kit which can be hacked to produce a reasonable model but not if using the Poole black 5 chassis, I've used Peco Jubilee loco chassis and a UM drive with extra pair of wheems,
A Lord Nelson would be good too, I'm currently hacking a Farish Scot into one with a Minitrix 2077 tender drive.
Bogie side frames with axle boxes for Urie/Maunsell 8 wheel tenders and a method of fixing them under the BHE N15 tender body I would find very useful.
Hi Mike,
Yes the Union Mills components do lend themselves to some relatively easy inside cylinder 4-4-0 types. Your kind offer of measuring up some of your collection is most appreciated and gratefully accepted - I'll PM you when I'm in a position to accept this. I too believe that Union Mills will sell this components separately, at least I've never had any problems ordering spares in the past.
Out of all the classes you identify, I've definitely you a set for the L1. I may have some of the others as well but I will have to finish sorting through my magazine collection to identify what I have and haven't got.
I've been thinking that some of the newer loco powered Farish offerings could potentially be used to great effect, thus removing the need to source an expensive German eight wheel tender - are either the Fleischmann or Minitrix offerings close to an SR tender?
The Peco and Farish Jubilee/Scott classes do lend themselves to a number of conversions - I'm looking to do a GCR Sam Fay purely as a personal project in the future using this loco chassis.
Bogie side frames sound like a useful part to print. Which tender would these be for? I've got a Fleischmann class 39 tender somewhere that I could measure up but if it is for the Minitrix tender would you be able to help out here?
Thank you so much for the input on the Southern loco possibilities, but first up will be the bodies based on the Farish 4MT chassis - once I've sourced one at a competitive price...
To Geminijkr - fingers crossed 2014 will most certainly be an interesting year! ;)
Since no one has mentioned diesels yet - Class 28 anyone? I know there was a kit - I have one somewhere - but I don't think it is still in production. Chassis was a Class 20 with a Class 31 bogie IIRC.
Quote from: Sithlord75 on February 04, 2014, 12:21:43 PM
Since no one has mentioned diesels yet - Class 28 anyone? I know there was a kit - I have one somewhere - but I don't think it is still in production. Chassis was a Class 20 with a Class 31 bogie IIRC.
Class 31 with a class 20 bogie added.
There was an Ian Stoate kit with cast ends and etched body middle.
Allen Doherty (Worsley Works) does a set of etches for the class 28. I have most of the 3D print artwork for one done but have been distracted by more interesting things 8)
Alan
Hi all,
It has been awhile, but things are slowly moving forward.
Sorry for those who have seen my 3D printing topic but the SECR H Class is largely complete now. I need to source an M7 chassis to check that everything will fit and design a replacement bogie.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/HClassAssembly4_zps83536536.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/HClassAssembly4_zps83536536.jpg.html)
A start has also been made on a Peppercorn K1
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/PeppercornK1body_zpsaa3f00cb.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/PeppercornK1body_zpsaa3f00cb.jpg.html)
Hopefully both these will join the range soon.
The 'H' is looking the dogs dangly bits... :thumbsup: I'll keep my eye on that one.
Any progress on the LBSCR 'K'? I'm looking for a bit more variety in the mixed-traffic Mogul department...
I'd also ask for a C2X but that looks like a standard UM job (inside cylinder 0-6-0)... although your 3D print might be a bit more flexible depending on whether the end-user wants a single or double-domed version. :)
Hi.
I am really interested in the H Class as I plan a Kentish layout. I have an M7 chassis waiting.....
Gerry
Quote from: talisman56 on July 13, 2014, 06:12:10 PM
The 'H' is looking the dogs dangly bits... :thumbsup: I'll keep my eye on that one.
Any progress on the LBSCR 'K'? I'm looking for a bit more variety in the mixed-traffic Mogul department...
I'd also ask for a C2X but that looks like a standard UM job (inside cylinder 0-6-0)... although your 3D print might be a bit more flexible depending on whether the end-user wants a single or double-domed version. :)
Thanks talisman!
The K Class is currently waiting for me to pluck up the courage to strip down a 4MT chassis to measure/map out into CAD to see where the compromises to the body need to be made (if acceptable compromises exist) - as does the LNER Gresley K2...
C2X sounds interesting, but as you said this sounds right up UM's street. Knowing my luck I'll design it and they'll announce it as their next model (as they did after I'd spent ages designing a Claud Hamilton body ::) )
gelboy, thanks for the interest in the H Class. I'll have it out as soon as I've source a chassis to ensure that everything fits as it should! 8)
Hi
Thanks for your reply. Would use of my chassis hasten release?
Gerry
Quote from: Atso on July 13, 2014, 07:37:38 PM
I'd also ask for a C2X but that looks like a standard UM job (inside cylinder 0-6-0)... although your 3D print might be a bit more flexible depending on whether the end-user wants a single or double-domed version. :)
Why not give Colin a call and discuss future projects to see if anything clashes? From all I've heard he's very approachable, so it should be okay.
For those who haven't seen elsewhere, the K1 has been given a little more detailing.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/PeppercornK1body3_zps4cc38c03.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/PeppercornK1body3_zps4cc38c03.jpg.html)
Gerry, I may well take you up on that. Please keep in mind though that the chassis will need to be irreversibly altered to shorten it for the H.
Pete33, if I get around to thinking about such a class, I'll give Colin a call. He does seem to be leaning back to LNER types at the moment though. :D
K1 looks interesting.
Given its coupled wheelbase of 7'6 plus 8'9 and small wheels is a Farish 4MT tender loco chassis ( 7'7 plus 7'9) plus J39 tender an option? The main drawback (apart from the missing 2mm between the rear wheels) is that the 4MT having the lightest body of the Farish tender drives is the one which has the greatest tendency to lock up. That would mean adding some substantial weight inside the K1 to keep the wheels turning.
Shame the 6'9 plus 7' for the 2MT is really far too small. It is a far better chassis.
Just a thought.
Les
Quote from: Atso on July 17, 2014, 12:48:02 AM
Pete33, if I get around to thinking about such a class, I'll give Colin a call. He does seem to be leaning back to LNER types at the moment though. :D
Ouch. That's not good news. Can you tell him he's leaning the wrong way?
Quote from: Pete33 on July 17, 2014, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: Atso on July 17, 2014, 12:48:02 AM
Pete33, if I get around to thinking about such a class, I'll give Colin a call. He does seem to be leaning back to LNER types at the moment though. :D
Ouch. That's not good news. Can you tell him he's leaning the wrong way?
Nothing wrong with leaning towards LNER... >:(
Quote from: Paul B on July 17, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Nothing wrong with leaning towards LNER... >:(
There is if you're modelling LMS, S&DJR, and SR of 1930. A lovely S&D loco in Prussian Blue would go down a treat!
Quote from: Pete33 on July 17, 2014, 09:27:09 PM
Quote from: Paul B on July 17, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Nothing wrong with leaning towards LNER... >:(
There is if you're modelling LMS, S&DJR, and SR of 1930. A lovely S&D loco in Prussian Blue would go down a treat!
Personally I would love a GER loco in Great Eastern Royal Blue! :) At least we can agree that blue is a good colour for loco's though!
Today's announcement from Bachmann concerning their planned introduction of SE&CR Birdcage sets in n scale makes the H class even more attractive!
Gerry
Quote from: Paul B on July 17, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Quote from: Pete33 on July 17, 2014, 09:22:55 PM
Quote from: Atso on July 17, 2014, 12:48:02 AM
Pete33, if I get around to thinking about such a class, I'll give Colin a call. He does seem to be leaning back to LNER types at the moment though. :D
Ouch. That's not good news. Can you tell him he's leaning the wrong way?
Nothing wrong with leaning towards LNER... >:(
Is he? What's new over at Union Mills in the LNER persuasion?
Chris
Quote from: Wingman mothergoose on July 20, 2014, 11:39:59 AMIs he? What's new over at Union Mills in the LNER persuasion?
Chris
Hi Chris,
Yes, Colin is supposedly going to be releasing a D16/3 Claud Hamilton this year. Shame I've got one in the (3D printing) build queue at the moment... :(
Steve
I've sent you a message re the M7 chassis for your H Class to your website.
Gerry
Quote from: gelboy45 on July 21, 2014, 08:21:12 AM
Steve
I've sent you a message re the M7 chassis for your H Class to your website.
Gerry
Gerry, received and replied to! :)
Quote from: gelboy45 on July 20, 2014, 11:30:52 AM
Today's announcement from Bachmann concerning their planned introduction of SE&CR Birdcage sets in n scale makes the H class even more attractive!
Gerry
The birdcage set will certainly be attractive, but I doubt that I could work them into a western sector layout. Did they ever travel further west than Guildford?
Hi all,
As per my post on my personal workbench thread, I'm yet to be in a position to set up shop to do any serious modelling.
However, two 'new' models have been released on Shapeways for sale. These are:
LNER Dia 120 Full Brake (Pigeon Van) - 39.54 Euro (approx. £29.60)
Following numerous requests for this model I have put this model on Shapeways in a slightly modified form to the kit. You will need, wheels and NEM couplings to complete.
LNER C12 - 26.69 Euro (approx. £20)
Recommended chassis for this is the Dapol 14xx which will need modifications. The rear coupling, outside frame and coils will need to be removed from the chassis along with 5mm from the front chassis weight. A Farish bogie (Jubilee or similar) will need to be pinned under the footplate to gain the correct 4-4-2 wheel arrangement.
Following Shapeways's pricing restructure, my own models have increased slightly in price. Further details to follow once I've calculated the approximate new UK prices.
For those wondering about the H Class. I still have not been able to progress this further but will do so once I'm back in a position to build the prototype.
Hi Steve,
Good to see you getting back into action bit by bit.
I already have the LNER Brake but I think I will indulge in another one. The C12 would have been great but I already have two professionally scratch built which I could never match. So I await the K1. I did email pictures of my two K3's and N2 directly so I hope you received them. The quality of the photos isn't as good as I would like and I still haven't found the way to include them in my postings. They are currently the most active locos on the fleet!!!!
Best regards
Keith
Hi Keith,
Many thanks, I've got them! Without any further delay, here are Keith's pictures of his excellent K3 and N2 builds.
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20018_zpswi57ci6i.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20018_zpswi57ci6i.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20016_zpsuylwrqbh.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20016_zpsuylwrqbh.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20012_zpsi31tjgyh.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20012_zpsi31tjgyh.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20007_zpsvgphu6k6.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20007_zpsvgphu6k6.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20006_zpsyckjbxpt.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20006_zpsyckjbxpt.jpg.html)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20002_zpsmh2tn6cj.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/Keith%20Robsons%20Photos/Atso%20models%20002_zpsmh2tn6cj.jpg.html)
Some interesting rolling stock pictured here too, Keith.
Hi Steve,
Thanks. I started off with the time frame of the early 1950's and there were only kits for LNER/ Eastern BR rolling stock available at the time. Over the years much more has become available and I have become far more flexible about time frame and run anything from Blue LNER with Gresley Teak coaches to early diesels with Maroon rakes of Mark 1 and Gresley's. There is still limited RTR models of non corridor coaches and grouping coaches that lasted well into BR days.
Regards
Keith
That C12 looks rather tasty!
Quote from: 5944 on January 24, 2015, 08:40:30 PM
That C12 looks rather tasty!
It does rather doesn't it! :D Here's another view... ;)
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k481/Atso-Cad/3D%20Prints/C12BodyComplete1_zps017261c6.jpg) (http://s1112.photobucket.com/user/Atso-Cad/media/3D%20Prints/C12BodyComplete1_zps017261c6.jpg.html)
Stop it! I don't need one! I do need an L1 though, but will have to figure out a way of powering it. The best looking RTR chassis seems to be a Kato C56 2-6-0, but I'm not willing to spend £100+ on a loco just to rob the chassis off it.
I'd agree that the C56 looks like it would be the best option for the L1 - there £89 here: http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-2020-1--c56-koumi-line-steam-locomotive-27418-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-2020-1--c56-koumi-line-steam-locomotive-27418-p.asp) :P
I'm still waiting for that Coffee Pot to appear :thumbsup:
Gareth
Quote from: thebrighton on January 25, 2015, 06:11:25 PM
I'm still waiting for that Coffee Pot to appear :thumbsup:
Gareth
I'm still trying to find a chassis that'll fit it without some serious work!
I could put it up for sale anyway if there is enough interest...
Quote from: Atso on January 25, 2015, 06:34:36 PM
I'm still trying to find a chassis that'll fit it without some serious work!
I could put it up for sale anyway if there is enough interest...
I've drivers from the bits box but can't remember what donated them and a Nigel Lawton mini motor.
Is interest of one enough?
Gareth
Oh, go on then... https://www.shapeways.com/product/HRU6TJ5XX/ger-lner-y5-body (https://www.shapeways.com/product/HRU6TJ5XX/ger-lner-y5-body)
Duly ordered :thumbsup:
For some reason I've gone and ordered a C12 as well. Does this mean I'll have to start modelling the GNR now?
Cheers
Gareth
Quote from: thebrighton on January 26, 2015, 02:15:06 PM
Duly ordered :thumbsup:
For some reason I've gone and ordered a C12 as well. Does this mean I'll have to start modelling the GNR now?
Cheers
Gareth
I guess so... ;) If it would help, I keep meaning to put a GNR cab on the K3 CAD! :P
I think this year could be the year I bite the bullet and try the K3, my feeble modelling skills may not do it justice though! Definitely want to try the pigeon van, especially as I've been bugging Steve about it for ages!
Still got my fingers crossed for the O4 and Sam Fay soon ;-)
Chris
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on January 26, 2015, 11:53:58 PM
Atso
Would any of your LNER models be suitable to imitate locos based at Stirling in Scotland?
Hi, unfortunately my knowledge of locomotives in Stirling is non-existent so I'm afraid I cannot comment... :doh: :dunce:
Hi,
I have been advised today that there was a problem with the Pigeon Van CAD file that has prevented Shapeways being unable to print this.
For anyone who has received a credit, this issue has now been resolved and the Pigeon Van can be printed as normal.
Sorry for any inconvenience caused.
My Y5 is now in production at Shapeways :)
Have you had one printed yet Steve or will this be the first?
Gareth
Quote from: thebrighton on January 28, 2015, 04:59:21 PM
My Y5 is now in production at Shapeways :)
Have you had one printed yet Steve or will this be the first?
Gareth
Yours will be the second I'm afraid Gareth, although you may be the first to complete one! :D
Hi Arrachogaidh,
Unfortunately, none of these locos feature in my range. However there are a couple of classes listed here that are under consideration but I am unable to provide details at this time.
At present, I am still living out of boxes and it is very frustrating that I do not have access to my reference collection. This situation will change in due course (I just wish I knew when!).
All the best
Steve
Edit: Actually, I've had a D2 body on the go for a little while which will need a seriously hacked Dapol B1 chassis to complete (no tender though yet) - could pass as a D1 perhaps?
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on January 31, 2015, 09:31:51 PM
What's going on here then? According to the BR Database Loco 57261 is a Caledonian Jumbo however
GEM KITS produced a model of 57261 as a J36 albeit OO Gauge
(http://www.vectis.co.uk/AuctionImages/487/237_l.jpg)
That is a Jumbo, but in a J36 box for some reason.
Any progress on the H Class? I'd love to build one as my first kit locomotive (I have a picture of 263 on the Bluebell as my cellphone background) and the M7 is a cheap loco to source a chassis from. When you do yours will you add any weight? Or will the new body do that on its own? The rtr M7 is a poor hauler and a heavier body supposedly cures that. I'm very excited to see this model show up on your site, as all the others you have up look top notch!
-Philip
Quote from: Atso on January 23, 2015, 07:45:52 PM
Hi all,
As per my post on my personal workbench thread, I'm yet to be in a position to set up shop to do any serious modelling.
However, two 'new' models have been released on Shapeways for sale. These are:
LNER Dia 120 Full Brake (Pigeon Van) - 39.54 Euro (approx. £29.60)
Following numerous requests for this model I have put this model on Shapeways in a slightly modified form to the kit. You will need, wheels and NEM couplings to complete.
LNER C12 - 26.69 Euro (approx. £20)
Recommended chassis for this is the Dapol 14xx which will need modifications. The rear coupling, outside frame and coils will need to be removed from the chassis along with 5mm from the front chassis weight. A Farish bogie (Jubilee or similar) will need to be pinned under the footplate to gain the correct 4-4-2 wheel arrangement.
Following Shapeways's pricing restructure, my own models have increased slightly in price. Further details to follow once I've calculated the approximate new UK prices.
For those wondering about the H Class. I still have not been able to progress this further but will do so once I'm back in a position to build the prototype.
Thank you for the suggestion.
Having been suffering from depression for a few years now, there hasn't been much progress on the Atso-Cad front and, having been inundated with ideas and suggestions, I found that I was spending far more time responding to people than actually designing anything.
There is some work going on in the background to properly revive Atso-Cad now but these will have to be of prototypes that will sell a realistic number (50 minimum to do a run when I'm ready and able to get fully back into this).
That Caley Jumbo could probably do for an LSWR 700 class before superheating, Drummond also produced 4-4-0s for the LSWR which were basically updates of ones he built for the Caley; the LSWR C8, K10 and L11 didn't get superheated, the L11 did have a longer wheelbase, but the C8 and K10 could easily pass for similar Caley classes; all existed into SR days the C8 lasted up to the early 30s, the K10 & L11 into early BR days.