What differences between these ?

[ohlavache]

Hello.
While looking at the novelties announced by Graham Farish, I saw some items for which I am not able to say what is the difference with equivalent Dapol ones. 
(I'm talking here of the prototypes, not of the quality compared between the two manufacturers.)

1st) What difference (in terms of looking) between a Class 57xx Pannier (announced by Dapol) and a Class 64xx Pannier (announced by Graham Farish) ?

2nd) What difference (in terms of both looking and train service) between Dapol's CCT parcel van (ref. 2F-047-001) and Graham Farish's Southern passenger luggage van (ref. 374-416) ?
What does CCT stand for ?

Thanks by advance for your answers.
Have a nice afternoon.

[Jerry Howlett]

CCT stands for Covered Carriage Truck, these vehicles had large end doors whereby in those bygone years a carriage could be loaded from a ramp at the buffer ends. In later years they started to invent motor cars but the designation for this type of rail vehicle continued in use.

[zwilnik]

Technically, the 5700 was one of the 'larger' class Panniers while the 6400 was a 'small' class one, but from the outside, they're pretty similar barring details such as the smaller dome on the 6400.

The gwr.org site has a great page on the various Pannier Tanks.


http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html

[MinZaPint]

Technically, the 5700 was one of the 'larger' class Panniers while the 6400 was a 'small' class one, but from the outside, they're pretty similar barring details such as the smaller dome on the 6400.

The gwr.org site has a great page on the various Pannier Tanks.

http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html

That's a great reference site for GWR fans thanks for posting, although I'm afraid I'll waste enjoy hours on there! 

[Jerry Howlett]

Farish) ?

2nd) What difference (in terms of both looking and train service) between Dapol's CCT parcel van (ref. 2F-047-001) and Graham Farish's Southern passenger luggage van (ref. 374-416) ?
What does CCT stand for ?

Thanks by advance for your answers.
Have a nice afternoon.

The Dapol model is indeed a CCT. However the farish model , having viewed the picture in Hattons forthcoming releases of the real thing is of a Passenger Luggage van, these vans unlike the Dapol model did not have end loading doors.
The PLV I believe were used on the boat train traffic in the days of large (LARGE!) items of personal luggage. Both were used in the later years for parcels traffic.

[Newportnobby]

Hi Jerry,

I believe the Farish PLV and their CCT are very different animals. Please see item 374-785 on their site.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3
By the way, the Dapol red CCT is more salmon pink (having seen one) and matches the pink ballast donated to me recently
It's why I have pre-ordered the Farish maroon one.

[Jerry Howlett]

Hi Jerry,

I believe the Farish PLV and their CCT are very different animals. Please see item 374-785 on their site.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3
By the way, the Dapol red CCT is more salmon pink (having seen one) and matches the pink ballast donated to me recently
It's why I have pre-ordered the Farish maroon one.

Hi Mick Thats what I was trying to tell ohlavache. I will edit my post to make it clearer! As a Southern built vehicle I think it should stay in its native green and just be a visitor...

[Newportnobby]

Hi Jerry,

I believe the Farish PLV and their CCT are very different animals. Please see item 374-785 on their site.

http://www.bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=farish&prod=3
By the way, the Dapol red CCT is more salmon pink (having seen one) and matches the pink ballast donated to me recently
It's why I have pre-ordered the Farish maroon one.

Hi Mick Thats what I was trying to tell ohlavache. I will edit my post to make it clearer!

No need to edit, Jerry.
I think I misunderstood your post and thought you were mistaking the PLV for the CCT by Farish.
My mistake - I must find something to soak up this red wine ( should I ask for a squiffy smiley)

[ohlavache]

The Dapol model is indeed a CCT. However the farish model , having viewed the picture in Hattons forthcoming releases of the real thing is of a Passenger Luggage van, these vans unlike the Dapol model did not have end loading doors.
The PLV I believe were used on the boat train traffic in the days of large (LARGE!) items of personal luggage. Both were used in the later years for parcels traffic.

One more question to be sure. I understand that, for the Dapol model, on the faces where there is a rapido coupler I have 2 loading doors. And these doors do not exist on the Graham Farish model. Right ?

Thanks also to Zwilnik for his link. 

[Jerry Howlett]

Ohlavache, You are correct.

[Karhedron]

1st) What difference (in terms of looking) between a Class 57xx Pannier (announced by Dapol) and a Class 64xx Pannier (announced by Graham Farish) ?

The main difference is that the 6400 class were push-pull fitted. They regularly worked auto-trains in places where the traffic levels or gradients were more than a 1400/4800 could handle. They are particularly associated with the welsh valleys services and the south west.

They were a slightly different shape than the regular panniers in that the tanks were flush with the top of the boiler giving them a very flat-topped appearance. Also, the 5700/8750 classes were regarded as shunters and general purpose engines but the 6400 were definitely passenger locos. This reached its pinacle in the late 50s and early 60s when many members of the 6400 class were painted in fully lined green livery, probably the smallest engines to wear it. 

[ohlavache]

The main difference is that the 6400 class were push-pull fitted. They regularly worked auto-trains in places where the traffic levels or gradients were more than a 1400/4800 could handle. They are particularly associated with the welsh valleys services and the south west.

They were a slightly different shape than the regular panniers in that the tanks were flush with the top of the boiler giving them a very flat-topped appearance. Also, the 5700/8750 classes were regarded as shunters and general purpose engines but the 6400 were definitely passenger locos. This reached its pinacle in the late 50s and early 60s when many members of the 6400 class were painted in fully lined green livery, probably the smallest engines to wear it. 

Thanks a lot for this detailed answer.
Very interesting.

[EtchedPixels]

Probably the smallest engines to wear it. 

Now that's a fun question. Smallest I can think of however is

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/NarrowGaugeRailways/Vale-of-Rheidol-Railway/16173411_zCx9kS#!i=1708769737&k=v6N8Fj6&lb=1&s=A

[Karhedron]

Now that's a fun question. Smallest I can think of however is

http://railway-photography.smugmug.com/NarrowGaugeRailways/Vale-of-Rheidol-Railway/16173411_zCx9kS#!i=1708769737&k=v6N8Fj6&lb=1&s=A

OK, you win.   

[steam-driven boy]

Hi,

many members of the 6400 class were painted in fully lined green livery, probably the smallest engines to wear it. 

If Ixion hadn't quit on N then maybe they might've tried scaling this to our scale:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_03_2013/post-13142-0-58894000-1362246413_thumb.jpg
Would've been interesting 

Regards, Gerry.