In what I personally think is a strong announcement in terms of showing continued support for N gauge, here is a list of what was announced in the video released this morning.
Note: There may be detail errors and or missing running numbers as I am doing this at lunch on my phone. Check with stockists for full details and prices:
Farish Spring 2023
Collectors Club Class 20s (LT Maroon), 20142 and 20227
(EFE) China Clay PBA "Tigers" in ECC Tiphook Blue and ECC International White (weathered and pristine offered)
BR 5MT in
Early Emblem Lined Black (DCC ready or Sound Fitted), BR1B tender
Late Emblem Lined Black (DCC ready or Sound Fitted), BR1 tender
Early Emblem Lined Black (DCC ready or Sound Fitted), BR1C tender
LMS Ivatt 2MT, LMS black Black (DCC ready or Sound
LMS Ivatt 2MT, BR Black early (DCC ready or Sound Fitted)
LMS Ivatt 2MT, BR Green early (DCC ready or Sound Fitted)
LMS Ivatt 2MT, BR Black late (DCC ready or Sound Fitted)
GBRF Class 60 60095 sound fitted
BR MK1 Crimson and cream:
TSO SC3987
TSO E3870
SK SC24172
CK SC15180
RMB restaurant mini buffet
BSK
BCK
BG
BR MK1 Maroon
TSO E4472
TSO M4440
SK M25749
SK M25745
CK E15136
CK SC15148
RMB restaurant mini buffet
BSK
BG
BR MK1 Chocolate and Cream
TSO
TSO
SK
SK
CK
CK
RMB restaurant mini buffet
RMB restaurant mini buffet
BR MK1 Blue Grey
TSO
TSO
SK
SK
CK
RMB restaurant mini buffet
BSK
BG
BR MK1 Maroon West Coast Railways
TSO
TSO
RMB
BSK
Plus
BCK in NR Yellow
SK in sealink
BR MK2 F Blue Grey
TSO M6116
TSO M6181
BSO
BR MK2 F Swallow
TSO 6115
TSO 6110
FO
BSO
BSO
BR MK2 F Virgin
TSO
TSO
BSO
BSO
FO
BR MK2 F Scotrail (era 9)
TSO
TSO
BSO
BSO
Plus Network Rail
TSO
BSO
TTA shell / BP black (x2 numbers)
TTA total grey (x2 numbers)
TTA ICI white (x2 numbers)
TTA Charingtons Mobile Red (x2 numbers)
HAA hopper BR Red Cradle (x2 numbers)
As above but weathered (x2 numbers)
HAA hopper EWS (x2 numbers)
HCA (hooded) Transrail (x2 numbers)
HFA (hooded) Mainline Weathered
16T mineral BR grey
16T mineral Weathered Grey (2x numbers)
16T mineral BR Bauxite (2x numbers)
Tripple pack in weathered grey also offered
OBA wagon in EWS unbranded (2x numbers)
OBA in Red Grey (2x numbers)
OBA in freight brown (2x numbers)
New tooling:
MXA Lobster DB Red (2x numbers, different brakes)
Good news for those looking for MK1 and MK2 coaches.
Skyline2uk
I'd agree, lots of recent concerns regarding passenger stock addressed and evidence that scaling down of Kernow's OO range isn't a one off
Won't meet everyone's wants but a move in the right direction
Rob
As I've said on "the other place", as I've moaned about Farish before it's now only right that I offer heartiest congratulations on this set of announcements. Just what N needed.
(Just perhaps a tiny suggestion that if they could find a middle way between feast and famine for future announcements that would be nice! But that's really only a concern about affordability of so much stuff released in one go - especially if you're concerned that it won't be re-run for five years.)
Richard
Maybe they do have a spy on the forum after all, perhaps under the codename 'Cochise' ;)
Quote from: Richard Taylor on May 03, 2023, 12:22:10 PM
As I've said on "the other place", as I've moaned about Farish before it's now only right that I offer heartiest congratulations on this set of announcements. Just what N needed.
(Just perhaps a tiny suggestion that if they could find a middle way between feast and famine for future announcements that would be nice! But that's really only a concern about affordability of so much stuff released in one go - especially if you're concerned that it won't be re-run for five years.)
Richard
I do agree on that.
This would be my only niggle, as well as minor points on livery choice for HAAs (I now don't know if the long announced Yellow cradle ones will appear).
Still, as you say, very positive overall.
Skyline2uk
PBAs. Weathered. Am I dreaming? *swoon*
Late Crest sound fitted Ivatt duly ordered :claphappy: :claphappy:
Roy
Quote from: Richard Taylor on May 03, 2023, 12:22:10 PM
As I've said on "the other place", as I've moaned about Farish before it's now only right that I offer heartiest congratulations on this set of announcements. Just what N needed.
(Just perhaps a tiny suggestion that if they could find a middle way between feast and famine for future announcements that would be nice! But that's really only a concern about affordability of so much stuff released in one go - especially if you're concerned that it won't be re-run for five years.)
Richard
I suppose the logic here is they had the tooling for the Mk1's in the machine for a good run (I don't know if they have to change anything to produce an RMB over an SK or if its all on one slide) but if you can get a long run it improves output owing to reduced downtime to swap tooling over. Perhaps longer runs with longer lead times is what the market needs to get quantities out there.
I am hopeful of picking up a good few blue and grey mark 1's and Mark 2F's now
Quote from: Skyline2uk on May 03, 2023, 12:28:49 PM
This would be my only niggle, as well as minor points on livery choice for HAAs (I now don't know if the long announced Yellow cradle ones will appear).
You will probably find the long announced Yellow one will be in the same shipment - this video is for new announcements. The Standard 5 had no mention of the Green one that is also coming but did say that the 2 previous announcements without sound were getting sound as well. So anything already in the catalogue is not mentioned
Well I am quick to moan about the lack of coaches, so a big well done on this announcement - although the bank may disagree!
So glad to see the mk1's, maroon Thompson coaches can't be far away. My only concern is that i would like to see retailers with stock for me to buy when i want, not getting financially hammered due to fear of never seeing the item for sale again and having to buy more than i can afford at the time when i could spread it out a bit and you know, eat and stuff :*(
Craig
The Bachmann news webpage says that the Summer announcements will be at the York Society Show, so another reason to attend.
Quote;
"This will be the first opportunity for members of the public to see the Summer N Scale British Railway Announcements",
Martyn
Quote from: Dalek on May 03, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
when i could spread it out a bit and you know, eat and stuff :*(
Craig
There's the lobsters at the end if you're really hungry :D
John P
Quote from: jpendle on May 03, 2023, 01:52:41 PM
Quote from: Dalek on May 03, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
when i could spread it out a bit and you know, eat and stuff :*(
Craig
There's the lobsters at the end if you're really hungry :D
John P
I'll stick to the bread and water :D
The NGN summary is up and online with plenty of photos here: https://bit.ly/44nyFNw
A great announcement I feel, with plenty for most people. A sign that Bachmann are absolutely committed to Farish and supply should be significantly improved going forward!
Tom.
Looks like some great models, be certainly having a look at those Mk 1s , the HAAs and TTA tanks. A great choice of models given the diverse eras which we modeling and tastes and locos, stock we like.
Wow. That looks like a lot of items. I might be getting my order from TMC - a 5MT with their basic level of weathering.
As an early 1960s era modeller with a secondary fleet of late 1980s stock, I'm really pleased with todays announcement. The new batches of Mk1s and Mk2s, especially more TSOs, are most welcome indeed. The new clay tigers also look fab.
Very pleased to have all my existing rakes of Blue Riband Mk 1 coaches given the prices.
I do have some which were £12 each, from the Signal Box liquidation sale, 2012. Good investment!
Now do I pre-order an RMB in crimson-cream at £40-75, or wait for them to be heavily discounted (or sold out).
Hmmm. Possibly yes.
Quote from: martyn on May 03, 2023, 01:46:29 PM
The Bachmann news webpage says that the Summer announcements will be at the York Society Show, so another reason to attend.
Quote;
"This will be the first opportunity for members of the public to see the Summer N Scale British Railway Announcements",
Martyn
I'm thinking that the NGS need to be making a weekend show in May a regular event, if this is the reaction it prompts from Farish... :D :thumbsup:
Even more annoyed I won't now be able to make it due to train strikes and having friends to stay that weekend who I can't just abandon!
Richard
I am sure the re-released Mark 1 and 2 coaches will be most welcome. They do seem on the expensive side, particularly the Mk1s with their old tooling and lack of lighting.
The Mk2s look excellent, particularly the SpotRail set.
Quote from: captainelectra on May 03, 2023, 03:06:21 PM
I am sure the re-released Mark 1 and 2 coaches will be most welcome. They do seem on the expensive side, particularly the Mk1s with their old tooling and lack of lighting.
The Mk2s look excellent, particularly the SpotRail set.
I agree ref the price of coaches. Having now found the MK2s are above £40 each even with the retailer discount, I am questioning if I will pick up a second rake.
Having said that, I am plesently surprised at the relative affordability of the tigers (especially with them being brand new and quite complex) and HAAs.
On the HAAs; yes they are old tooling now, but comfortably under £20 a wagon at retailers (yes I know, but it's modern day economy) is quite rare.
I have my suspicions about the potential entry into the market of a new player when it comes to these wagons, not sure if this a Bachmann reaction :hmmm:
Skyline2uk
The Castle, Duchess, and 64xx.
Have these steam locos been discontinued?
I've been waiting to get my hand on Mk2F Swallow TSOs to complete my rake and upgrade from the old versions, especially having paid to get a DBSO re-painted for me last year.
I wonder if it is too early to pick out items for Christmas and Birthday (October) for people to pre-order for me and put away - they would be so disappointed if these were sold out when the time comes :D
Bear in mind the supermarkets start Christmas in August and the timing could be perfick ;)
Well done Bachmann, that's a great bundle of announcements,
Some good announcements today, PBA and extra second class coaches, I just don't understand why they need two brake coaches, I think a third second class coach would have made more sense..
Just my humble opinion..
Cheers
Mark
Really impressed with the range, I'm amused to see moaning from some quarters about the lack of OO gauge and "hopefully there'll be more to come in OO next quarter". About time!
Amazing the PBAs have taken this long, I'd have done them long before the JIAs if I were Bachmann. I really hope the coaches are a bit more plentiful as well for a while now! Better still there's nothing I'm interested in, so I don't to thrash the credit card even more!
Quote from: njee20 on May 03, 2023, 10:20:46 PM
Really impressed with the range, I'm amused to see moaning from some quarters about the lack of OO gauge and "hopefully there'll be more to come in OO next quarter". About time!
Amazing the PBAs have taken this long, I'd have done them long before the JIAs if I were Bachmann. I really hope the coaches are a bit more plentiful as well for a while now! Better still there's nothing I'm interested in, so I don't to thrash the credit card even more!
Seconded on all points Nick.
My credit card isn't as safe, I do hope the MK2s linger for a little longer than the last batch.
Skyline2uk
Yes, I can see a hammering forthcoming on the Mk2s. They do look great, and I've always had a bit of a soft spot for them, but can't justify a rake, so I shall refrain.
It's great to see a good selection of N stuff from Bachmann. It looks like there's something for most, which is a good spread.
Nothing that I want, or indeed need, but it's a good sign that they haven't given up on us yet.
great to see all the new releases across the eras. One or two take my fancy. Now to find the wallet which has gone into hiding when it heard of the new releases.
Great to see another mk2f TSO run. They probably thought we won't do anymore FO as there'll be plenty around, it's just that there aren't!
Just need to figure out which retailer will do the best price for a good amount for a rake 5/6?
The lack of any 2a alongside the mk1 and aircons makes me wonder if they expect Accurascale to start shrinking coaches
Quote from: westie7 on May 04, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
The lack of any 2a alongside the mk1 and aircons makes me wonder if they expect Accurascale to start shrinking coaches
I would guess its more to do with spreading coaches out, they will only have a certain amount of container space available for shipping. If you can fit extra products on great but there will be a sensible cut off for how full a container will be to ship it. Sometimes it might be better to wait a few months and ship with something else to reduce shipping costs.
Plus if you bring too much in too quickly you will have a warehouse full to store and sales will be slower cause we all can't afford 7 or 8 Mk1's, 5 or 6 Mk2's and a batch of Mk2F's in one hit - hopefully I will get some Mark 1's on release and boost my numbers at TINGS
Quote from: westie7 on May 04, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
The lack of any 2a alongside the mk1 and aircons makes me wonder if they expect Accurascale to start shrinking coaches
A batch of Mk2a was released in 2022 so it's perhaps not that surprising there's no more been announced so far. To put it into context, according to ngauge.org the last maroon Mk1 SK was released in 2016!
If Bachmann were expecting Accurascale to enter the non-aircon market then surely they'd want to pre-empt it by making the most of their own tooling before the competition arrived.
Look at the OO and 009 ranges announced at the same time - very much reduced from previous quarter's releases. To my mind, the only reason there aren't Mk2a is simply because all the factory capacity is being taken up with Mk1 and Mk2F!
I'd be very surprised if Accurascale don't shrink their Mk2B and Mk2C. Fortunately there's room for a mix of types in many trains!
Steven B.
If they bring out their Mark 2Bs in N then I will sell my Bachmann Mark 2As - as the 2Bs were the staple of the Waterloo - Exeter route under Class 33 and Class 50 haulage.
At the moment, Mark 2As are as close as I can get.
Bob
Quote from: Steven B on May 04, 2023, 04:55:26 PM
Quote from: westie7 on May 04, 2023, 02:41:23 PM
The lack of any 2a alongside the mk1 and aircons makes me wonder if they expect Accurascale to start shrinking coaches
A batch of Mk2a was released in 2022 so it's perhaps not that surprising there's no more been announced so far. To put it into context, according to ngauge.org the last maroon Mk1 SK was released in 2016!
If Bachmann were expecting Accurascale to enter the non-aircon market then surely they'd want to pre-empt it by making the most of their own tooling before the competition arrived.
Look at the OO and 009 ranges announced at the same time - very much reduced from previous quarter's releases. To my mind, the only reason there aren't Mk2a is simply because all the factory capacity is being taken up with Mk1 and Mk2F!
I'd be very surprised if Accurascale don't shrink their Mk2B and Mk2C. Fortunately there's room for a mix of types in many trains!
Steven B.
Should have been more specific, "Blue Grey Mk2a"
Not been seen in a long time and now a premium when they appear
I had very low expectations for this release after being disappointed by previous ones. I have been into British outline N since late 2018 but have very few coaches. Let me just say that my jaw was on the floor scrolling down the MK1 coaches that are going to be released!
Preorders duly placed, I hope these MK1s stick around for a few months after release as I can't afford to buy all the ones that I would like to in one go.
This has really reassured me that Bachmann/ GF are still interested in supporting N gauge.
Quote from: Bob G on May 04, 2023, 04:59:10 PM
If they bring out their Mark 2Bs in N then I will sell my Bachmann Mark 2As - as the 2Bs were the staple of the Waterloo - Exeter route under Class 33 and Class 50 haulage.
No need to sell the MK2a - they were mixed rakes of Mk2a & Mk2b right from the time they were introduced. Accurascale have some formation diagrams on their website:
BR Blue (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0019/3957/0801/files/Accurascale_BR_Mk.2b_formations_-_1_Corporate_Era_Final.jpg?v=1629962383)
BR Sectorisation (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0019/3957/0801/files/Accurascale_BR_Mk.2b_formations_-_2_Early_Sectorisation_Final.jpg?v=1629962431)
How well any Accuascale Mk2b sits alongside a Farish Mk2a is open to debate!
Steven B
374-740 Mk2F TSO 977985 Structure Gauging Train - Network Rail
The real 977985 features the black cylindrical Laserflex system unit fitted at the pictogram end of the coach, and above an extended coupling to the adjacent coach. The detailed Farish product description includes an 'Accessory pack' so is this going to provide an add-on fitting or moulding to portray the Laserflex unit?
The adjacent coach is also important as reference to the "Key Special - Testing Testing" bookazine notes that 977985 is normally linked to 977986 as the SGT Support Coach. I really hope that Farish intend to complete this pairing by adding 977986 to their next announcement. Its fully plated over windows would also provide N gauge with another distinctive Network Rail coach type.
Surely 977985 cannot be left by itself? Indeed, browsing the bookazine offers some NR options that Farish could still apply to their Mk2F TSO: Plain Line Pattern Recognition Coach or Radio Survey Coach - perhaps we may yet see them....
I guess you just have to hope Farish are aware of the existence of 977986 and its importance :hmmm:
As a DC dinosaur who already has at least 2 of all the steam locos re-issued as sound ready and who upgraded all his Mk1 coaches when they first came out (a move that cost me about £12 a coach at the time, but has since paid dividends) with one exception, the only pre order that I have made was for two Walrus bogie hopper wagons in black.
I live in hope that the Thompson coaches will appear in maroon, but given that it took Farish several years to release the MK1 RU in chocolate and cream even after I had furnished them with the proof of its existence.
As a transition modeller I would like to see a new tooling of perhaps the crab, rebuilt Merchant Navy or even the King as neither has been done (despite a couple of half hearted attempts on the latter) perhaps a reatively simple tool mod allowing them to produce a double chimneyed Castle and as for total new tooling how about a Lord Nelson or a King Arthur or perhaps an N2? any of these would be added to my collection.
Regards,
Alex
Rebuilt MN and King were both done as part of the Poole Farish range, the air smoothed MN has of course subsequently been done by Bachmann to modern standards so I very much doubt we will see either, especially given the DJM King debacle.
I am happy to see sound upgrades to more recent models with modern loco-drive mechanisms, and regardless of having several Ivatts already a sound fitted 46447 has been ordered and will be added to my roster.
I agree an N2 would be nice, but actually I would be much happier to see a newly tooled Black Five or V2 to modern spec with sound and I would think both, but the former especially would be a more viable choice.
Roy
I would have thought a B5 was unlikely, as the tender drive version is not that old, and is quite good.
I wouldn't want one of either, but isn't the Crab (and 4P) the only steam locos not updated from the Poole range? And i seem to recall that, many years ago, Bachmann said they would be updating the Poole range.
Again, I wouldn't want one, but the V2 is not good by modern standards.
Martyn
I'm happy with my Black 5's............
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-13327491.jpeg)
but, although it holds the spirit of the loco, I'd like an update V2...........
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-1332742419.jpeg)
A Hughes 'Crab' would be high on my list.
Quotehow about a Lord Nelson or a King Arthur
I've been saying this for years, the Southern is the only line that has no RTR 4-6-0s and only 2 white metal kits, Langley's S15 which requires a somewhat expensive Fleischmann chassis and BHE's N15 which is designed to fit a Poole Farish black 5, on which the drivers are too small and incorrectly spaced, looks much better on a Peco Jubilee chassis with a Union Mills tender drive (plus an extra pair of tender wheels).
Quote from: martyn on June 24, 2023, 02:56:38 PM
I would have thought a B5 was unlikely, as the tender drive version is not that old, and is quite good.
Martyn
True, but the "current" tender driven Black Five is actually getting on a bit, from memory it was introduced around 2008/9 and I very much doubt we will see any further runs from that tooling, it is too "old hat" compared to more recent offerings.
Then, another compelling factor is that it is a large class of locos (842). From memory I think 16 preserved, suitable from mid-30s all the way through to the current scene (and some passed for running on the BR network). Between Nationalisation and 1968 could be seen across a wide area of the UK, from Scotland right the way down into the South-West.
Significantly the recent loco-drive 8F's Stanier tender would be compatible and is ready and waiting, designed and tooled complete with Next 18 socket and speaker.
All these factors would support strong sales as it's appeal is so wide-ranging so I would think a brand new state of the art model could be a pretty logical choice.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on June 24, 2023, 03:44:11 PM
Quote from: martyn on June 24, 2023, 02:56:38 PM
I would have thought a B5 was unlikely, as the tender drive version is not that old, and is quite good.
Martyn
True, but the "current" tender driven Black Five is actually getting on a bit, from memory it was introduced around 2008/9 and I very much doubt we will see any further runs from that tooling, it is too "old hat" compared to more recent offerings.
Then, another compelling factor is that it is a large class of locos (842). From memory I think 16 preserved, suitable from mid-30s all the way through to the current scene (and some passed for running on the BR network). Between Nationalisation and 1968 could be seen across a wide area of the UK, from Scotland right the way down into the South-West.
Significantly the recent loco-drive 8F's Stanier tender would be compatible and is ready and waiting, designed and tooled complete with Next 18 socket and speaker.
All these factors would support strong sales as it's appeal is so wide-ranging so I would think a brand new state of the art model could be a pretty logical choice.
Roy
I actually agree with what you say, and had forgotten that the BL 5 and B1 are actually getting a bit long in the tooth. The performance of the newer loco drive engines also seems to match, or better, the tender drive locos.
Not needing another Bl5, I've not followed their production schedule much, and agree that they are a class that ought to be popular with modellers.
It will be interesting to see where the manufacturers go when announcing their next steam loco models. There are still a number of locos in Bachmann's 4mm range, steam and diesel, which would probably be appreciated if made in N.
We can only wait and see!
Martyn
Quote from: Newportnobby on June 24, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
I'm happy with my Black 5's............
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-13327491.jpeg)
but, although it holds the spirit of the loco, I'd like an update V2...........
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-1332742419.jpeg)
A Hughes 'Crab' would be high on my list.
I have 3 of the most recent release Black 5s inmy desired BR form and am very happy with them. If we are looking at updates of previous kettles ,the Crab first and compound second would be my choice. The V2 may gave been a Poole intention released under Chinese management, but I am happy with it. But breaking new ground with such locos as LNER Moguls, a J36 etc would be even better!
:offtopicsign:
Quote from: Newportnobby on June 24, 2023, 03:05:49 PM
I'm happy with my Black 5's............
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-13327491.jpeg)
but, although it holds the spirit of the loco, I'd like an update V2...........
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/133/264-240623150250-1332742419.jpeg)
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)
Hi Mick;
Have you (sadly) noted the V2 has part of the valve gear upside down?
Martyn
A Hughes 'Crab' would be high on my list.
Another loco that could be easily upgraded and released is the Coronation class, which already has a 6 pin decoder socket. It would be very little change to include a speaker and Next 18 PCB like the 8F.
Quote from: Brian-1c on June 24, 2023, 06:38:23 PM
Another loco that could be easily upgraded and released is the Coronation class, which already has a 6 pin decoder socket. It would be very little change to include a speaker and Next 18 PCB like the 8F.
Very true, that and the WD Austerity would both seem logical choices for upgrades, personally I was reflecting more on what their next totally new tool steam loco might turn out to be, but it may well be that your thinking is along the right lines and we see more of these upgrades before anything new is announced, and in that respect I would probably also include Next 18 sound capable BR 4MT Tank.
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447)
Thanks for pointing that out......I think, Martyn.
It's been like that from new as I bought the Master Cutler set many years ago 'cos I wanted the black loco.
I'll have to find someone who can remedy that as it might well run better then :doh:
Quote from: Newportnobby on June 24, 2023, 09:58:43 PM
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447)
Thanks for pointing that out......I think, Martyn.
It's been like that from new as I bought the Master Cutler set many years ago 'cos I wanted the black loco.
I'll have to find someone who can remedy that as it might well run better then :doh:
Which bit is upside-down? I have studied the photo a couple of times and I can't see anything amiss compared to mine, but then that could mean mine has the same issue :hmmm:
@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
The union lever which is outside the front wheel.
Part number 11 on the 'technical details' diagram here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walschaerts_valve_gear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walschaerts_valve_gear)
If it's not exactly upside down, it's wrong, and without playing with it, I'm not sure at present how to correct it. It should be nearly horizontal, not cranked downwards.
Martyn
Later; compare the V2 valve gear with, eg, Bl 5, B1, LMS/LNER/BR Pacifics. Other options available!
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) @Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
I've checked several pics of the N gauge V2 and they are mostly identical to mine. Some have that piece of the motion slightly more horizontal but that could purely be how the motion is after coming to a rest. Perhaps I'll have a look next time I have my test oval set up.
Quote from: Newportnobby on June 25, 2023, 09:03:54 AM
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) @Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
I've checked several pics of the N gauge V2 and they are mostly identical to mine. Some have that piece of the motion slightly more horizontal but that could purely be how the motion is after coming to a rest. Perhaps I'll have a look next time I have my test oval set up.
Quote from: martyn on June 25, 2023, 08:15:56 AM
@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
The union lever which is outside the front wheel.
Part number 11 on the 'technical details' diagram here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walschaerts_valve_gear (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walschaerts_valve_gear)
If it's not exactly upside down, it's wrong, and without playing with it, I'm not sure at present how to correct it. It should be nearly horizontal, not cranked downwards.
Martyn
Later; compare the V2 valve gear with, eg, Bl 5, B1, LMS/LNER/BR Pacifics. Other options available!
Hi Martyn
I think the issue is that the V2's valve-gear is a based on a design carried over from Poole locos such as the A3/A4 (which should come as no surprise given that the design originated from Poole). The combination lever on the Bachmann China designed B1 (which was to hand for comparison) prototypically has two pivots at the bottom of the said lever, the V2 only has one (the rear pivot is an impression but it is solid metal) this looks like the reason why the lever "pushes" forward in the way it does.
No easy fix, possibly B1 valve gear components could be used in substitution, but a faff to have to break and remake some of those tiny rivets :hmmm:
Roy
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Roy, you could well be correct about the valve gear being a Poole carry-over, but my Poole Bl 5s have it correctly assembled, with the crank/union lever in the correct orientation. This valve gear is simplified on the Poole designs, but it was good for its time, and looks much better than the V2.
If all the Chinese V2s are like this, I'd be inclined to say mis-assembly at the factory, or poor design in the first place; but not owning one, and only having rarely seen one, I'd not noticed it before. Without being able to see how it is actually assembled, I've no idea if the fault could be corrected by 'flipping' the crank.
The more I look at NPN's photo, I wonder how the valve gear works at all.
Coupled with the V2 'skirt' does this not make the V2 a better candidate for upgrading to current standards? :)
And again, I say, I don't need one, so have no need to promote the V2.
Martyn
The problem here is that the anchor link which is usually fixed to the crosshead in real life and the union link which connects the anchor link to the combination lever were from poole days made as a one piece stamping, which saved yet another small rivet and thus an extra operation in the construction of the valve gear of all locos firtted with walschaerts valve gear, which persisted until the release of the V2.
All locos designed since with Walschaerts valve gear more faithfully replicate the full size article, which interestingly enough, Minitrix had been doing back in the days of the british outline locos
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: martyn on June 25, 2023, 11:03:53 AM
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Roy, you could well be correct about the valve gear being a Poole carry-over, but my Poole Bl 5s have it correctly assembled, with the crank/union lever in the correct orientation. This valve gear is simplified on the Poole designs, but it was good for its time, and looks much better than the V2.
If all the Chinese V2s are like this, I'd be inclined to say mis-assembly at the factory, or poor design in the first place; but not owning one, and only having rarely seen one, I'd not noticed it before. Without being able to see how it is actually assembled, I've no idea if the fault could be corrected by 'flipping' the crank.
The more I look at NPN's photo, I wonder how the valve gear works at all.
Coupled with the V2 'skirt' does this not make the V2 a better candidate for upgrading to current standards? :)
And again, I say, I don't need one, so have no need to promote the V2.
Martyn
I would much prefer a V2 personally and I would agree that from the perspective of what is "wrong" with it and the lack of any DCC provision in some ways it would appear a better choice to do a complete retool on, and let's not forget the OO V2 was recently retooled so all of the R&D has been done.
Roy
Quote from: Hailstone on June 25, 2023, 11:14:18 AM
The problem here is that the anchor link which is usually fixed to the crosshead in real life and the union link which connects the anchor link to the combination lever were from poole days made as a one piece stamping, which saved yet another small rivet and thus an extra operation in the construction of the valve gear of all locos firtted with walschaerts valve gear, which persisted until the release of the V2.
All locos designed since with Walschaerts valve gear more faithfully replicate the full size article, which interestingly enough, Minitrix had been doing back in the days of the british outline locos
Regards,
Alex
Yes, I've just re-checked photos of the real thing, and the model valve gear is nowhere near the prototype; as you say, the link should be attached to the crosshead and not as modelled on the V2.
Martyn
Every time this thread goes past on my screen the "pin" makes it look as though someone's crossed out part of the date as a wry comment about delivery dates :D
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The Standard 5s and Ivatt 2s have the current mechanical spec of loco-drive coreless motor and now Next18 DCC sockets.
I'm sure Black 5/Jubilee/Royal Scot will reappear, possibly with upgraded body detailing, as loco-drive with Next18 DCC provision.
With 4f also upgraded, Farish could do the jubilee with the Fowler tender. Also for a new crab they have the Fowler tender already. So lots for LMS fans.
I'd like to a southern 4-6-0, but note currently none in the bachmann range, that doesn't mean it won't happen just more unlikely.
I would rather see a new model released than a rehash of an old one.
The Sealions appear to have arrived. I have been charged for my batch from Kernow; dispatch imminent.
Quote from: leachsprite4 on June 25, 2023, 04:59:25 PM
I'd like to a southern 4-6-0, but note currently none in the bachmann range, that doesn't mean it won't happen just more unlikely.
I've been singing this song for years; I've managed to hack and kit bash the Urie and Maunsell classes but chickened out of the Drummond monsters, anyway only his T14 would be relevant for my period mid to late 1930s (but pre Bulleid)
Quote from: Carmont on July 07, 2023, 03:00:05 PM
The Sealions appear to have arrived. I have been charged for my batch from Kernow; dispatch imminent.
Yes, I can confirm they are here,
I Walked out of my local model shop (Harburn Hobbies in Edinburgh) this afternoon with a Civil Engineers liveried one in hand that hadn't long been put on the shelve before I got there.
Heads up folks, mark 1's are now arriving. One shop has put some for sale on a popular auction site
Well wishlist remains a wishlist
RF red stripe class 47 (no problem with 37s they churn out in that scheme)
GW 150 green class 47 (some one must want a Brunel/Churchward/Gooch/Great Western?)
RF red stripe class 31 (no doubt they will release another 37 in that scheme..)
Dutch class 31 (guess what class there is several in dutch..)
class 25/3 (reckon thats gonna be a real long wait..)
Luckily Dapol are ticking a few boxes with their announcements... :D
Quote from: whoppit on August 10, 2023, 09:25:28 PMWell wishlist remains a wishlist
RF red stripe class 47 (no problem with 37s they churn out in that scheme)
GW 150 green class 47 (some one must want a Brunel/Churchward/Gooch/Great Western?)
RF red stripe class 31 (no doubt they will release another 37 in that scheme..)
Dutch class 31 (guess what class there is several in dutch..)
class 25/3 (reckon thats gonna be a real long wait..)
Luckily Dapol are ticking a few boxes with their announcements... :D
Have to say I would like to see IKB in GWR150. RF Red Stripe Brush 2 would also be very welcome. Can't see a 25/3 ever happening in RTR, more is the pity.
And yes, you can buy any livery you want as long as it's on a PNV... ;)
(PNV - Pointy Nosed Vermin)
TMC have tapped me up for payment for my pre-ordered Tiger PBA. Photos when it arrives!
Now to persuade EFE to turn the shrinkray on their PRA....
Quote from: Foxhound on August 31, 2023, 12:06:52 PMTMC have tapped me up for payment for my pre-ordered Tiger PBA. Photos when it arrives!
Now to persuade EFE to turn the shrinkray on their PRA....
A handful of PRAs would be very welcome. :thumbsup:
The Tiger is loose!
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It looks a cracking model but it should for the price! :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:
:heart2: :heart2: Beautiful! I'd love a couple in ECC Blue. Sadly it's going to be a little uncomfortable while I try to sit on my hands at the price for the weathered version :goggleeyes: :(
Rails are charging £4.25 extra for the weathered version so if I was paying £38.20 for a pristine one I don't think the extra is above and beyond :no:
what do you think of the wagon then foxhound?
i'm getting a few white ones as well
tim
It looks great. I think mine are down the delivery office if that's what the missed delivery card on the doormat is for.
Quote from: bluedepot on September 01, 2023, 05:18:41 PMwhat do you think of the wagon then foxhound?
i'm getting a few white ones as well
tim
The wagon rolls freely, almost to Kato standards. Doesn't derail or disconnect from the loco, (yet!). I'm really pleased with it.
Had a brief look at them this morning. The wheel flanges clash inside the frame if turned too far so not sure if they would run happily around anything less than a twelve inch radius curve although a thin brass shim between the bolster and bogie might help.
They look fabulous close up though and run great. There were no coupling issues as mentioned elsewhere.
sounds very promising then!
thanks
tim
They are just having a run along with their 90% complete TDA and TUA ECC friends. We could do with some PRAs next. ;)
EFE Rail Austerity J94 0-6-0ST
Spotted this on eBay last night:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394856276121?
Have they arrived?
Rails still shows them as a pre-order.
Ian
I know Rails were expecting a delivery from Bachmann/EFE but are a bit short staffed at present so maybe not booked into stock yet
Quote from: SD35 on September 04, 2023, 06:42:06 PMThey are just having a run along with their 90% complete TDA and TUA ECC friends. We could do with some PRAs next. ;)
They could also resurrect the tooling for the PAAs, that would be nice.
Quote from: Foxhound on September 05, 2023, 12:32:09 PMThey could also resurrect the tooling for the PAAs, that would be nice.
Do you mean the blue TRL Tullis Russel hoppers?
I'd very much like these to be done, but hopefully as a better model than the ancient Farish model which is a badly disguised PGA.
There's a drawing of the PAA on the Barrow Model website (http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Colin_Craig/Pxx/PAA_Covered_Hopper_Wagon_PA010A.pdf)
Kernow (& EFE) appear to be keen on producing china clay wagons and the PAA has yet to be done - keep your fingers crossed!
Steven B
Cheers Steven, that's very useful. I may have a dabble at that as the ends seem similar to the PBA limestone hoppers which I'm currently working on. Still not happy with the suspension area though:
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Quote from: Newportnobby on September 04, 2023, 10:50:44 PMI know Rails were expecting a delivery from Bachmann/EFE but are a bit short staffed at present so maybe not booked into stock yet
According to RM Web, Kernow (from who I ordered) are still awaiting their EFE J94 delivery from Bachmann.
Quote from: Steven B on September 05, 2023, 01:54:58 PMQuote from: Foxhound on September 05, 2023, 12:32:09 PMThey could also resurrect the tooling for the PAAs, that would be nice.
Do you mean the blue TRL Tullis Russel hoppers?
I'd very much like these to be done, but hopefully as a better model than the ancient Farish model which is a badly disguised PGA.
There's a drawing of the PAA on the Barrow Model website (http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/Colin_Craig/Pxx/PAA_Covered_Hopper_Wagon_PA010A.pdf)
Kernow (& EFE) appear to be keen on producing china clay wagons and the PAA has yet to be done - keep your fingers crossed!
Steven B
Fingers and toes crossed - but yes, that's the bunny.
TMC's (The Model Centre) Facebook page:
EFE Rail N Gauge WD Austerity J94 Saddle Tank - Arriving next week!
And that was posted 5 days ago. I had better start asking SWMBO for clemency!