I'm thinking of modelling a few cattle wagons with cattle in (N gauge ones of course!!).
How many cattle would normally travel in each wagon do you think?
Answers on a post card to... sorry wrong format.
Answers on this forum gratefully received.
:thankyousign: :beers:
Cattle wagons had a capacity of 12 tons so you can work back from there. A full grown Holstein cow weighs an average of about 1,500 lbs (that's nearly 1 ton). Based on that I would guess that 12-15 cows per wagon would be plausible.
Quote from: Karhedron on February 19, 2016, 07:07:49 PM
Cattle wagons had a capacity of 12 tons so you can work back from there. A full grown Holstein cow weighs an average of about 1,500 lbs (that's nearly 1 ton). Based on that I would guess that 12-15 cows per wagon would be plausible.
Thanks Karhedron - I'm off to do a search for N gauge cows!!
:beers:
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.
Best regards,
Joe
Quote from: joe cassidy on February 19, 2016, 07:29:50 PM
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.
Best regards,
Joe
To be honest Joe I'm not sure how big an N gauge cow is!! Once I find a reasonably priced source I'll by a dozen and see how they might fit into a Peco cattle wagon.
:beers:
Quote from: joe cassidy on February 19, 2016, 07:29:50 PM
12 cows in a cattle van seems a lot to me.
Best regards,
Joe
On the other hand, I guess they had to be loaded quite tightly to avoid damage to each other (eg rough shunting).
I reckon 10-12 friesians per wagon isn't going to be far off.
Taking into consideration the thickness of N gauge model cattle wagons, the likelihood that model cattle will be over scale size and the lack of vision through the slats, I would think you could easily get away with loading 2-3 in each and it looking fine. Looking across at my layout, with some cows on it, I would be very surprised if you could fit anything like 10-12 in a wagon!
Best wishes
Simon
Quote from: bridgiesimon on February 19, 2016, 08:31:25 PM
Taking into consideration the thickness of N gauge model cattle wagons, the likelihood that model cattle will be over scale size and the lack of vision through the slats, I would think you could easily get away with loading 2-3 in each and it looking fine. Looking across at my layout, with some cows on it, I would be very surprised if you could fit anything like 10-12 in a wagon!
Best wishes
Simon
You could be right. I think the best plan is to buy a few cows and see how they fit. If I buy too many I'm quite partial to nice steak, beef stew or burger so nothing to lose really.
Thanks all...
:beers:
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)
I'm sure they are nice, but they make fillet steak look decidedly cheap.
I would think if they are part hidden in a cattle wagon then some of the cheapy Chinese ones on ebay may be adequate.
Quote from: trkilliman on February 19, 2016, 09:53:13 PM
Farish now do packs of cows, Bob (ref 379-341)
I'm sure they are nice, but they make fillet steak look decidedly cheap.
I would think if they are part hidden in a cattle wagon then some of the cheapy Chinese ones on ebay may be adequate.
I believe Noch are even pricier :goggleeyes:
I bought some from Country Scenes but they seem horribly underscale although this wouldn't matter so much if they were inside the wagons.
This photo from the NRM is quite useful. It shows what looks like around 10-12 cattle per pen. Assuming that each pen holds one wagon-load of cattle, it looks like a by-the-weight estimate is in the right ball-park.
(http://www.nrm.org.uk/img/nrm/worksphotos/British%20Transport%20Commission/1996-7038_BTF_92_28.jpg)
Quote from: austinbob on February 19, 2016, 06:43:31 PM
How many cattle would normally travel in each wagon
Answers on a post card to... sorry wrong format.
:laughabovepost:
It depends , , Dexter(see below) or Charolais ;D
Quote from: austinbob on February 19, 2016, 08:40:47 PM
I think the best plan is to buy a few cows
,
quite partial to nice steak, beef stew or burger so nothing to lose really.
Steady on Bob, that can be a slippery slope,
we started with a few chicken and rabbits,
but,
may I introduce you to Treacle & Honey our two dexter :) [long since gone to fillet, sirloin and topside :D ]
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Hobbies/40865H%26T.jpg)
and for scale here is a sheep in the background :
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81786082/NG/Hobbies/40887H%26T.jpg)
The sheep is supposed to be this side of the electric, but there's always one to confound !
I have some rather nice Preiser cows, so I have nothing to beef about and will not cause a rump-us.
Been working on some 2mm cattle wagon bodies I assembled a couple of years back...LNER, LMS, and B.R. examples. I had brush painted them with Phoenix enamel bauxite. Now having an airbrush I wanted to strip them and use the airbrush. Cadged some Superdrug acetone nail varnish remover from my daughter and had a trial run (payback for Dad's taxi used frequently lol) It worked a treat but did require a second coating. Airbrushed them with Howe's acrylic, and what a difference...so much more detail shows through. I'm pretty good with a paintbrush after 50+ years of using them, but the airbrush wins on this sort of job.
Ah.. But they don't look very N gauge!!
:D
They are good looking animals though. I'd just luv to give them a good hug..
:beers:
I can fit a whole set (7 adult, 2 calves) of Noch cows into a Peco cattle wagon. They look nice but definitely need a little platform to stand on inside to make them fully visible through the slats. If doing more than one wagon though, it will get expensive!
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66421-livestock-photos-from-the-nrm/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66421-livestock-photos-from-the-nrm/)
A few photos there that will please Paul Price !
Best regards,
Joe Cassidy
Quote from: NinOz on February 20, 2016, 12:40:22 AM
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66421-livestock-photos-from-the-nrm/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/66421-livestock-photos-from-the-nrm/)
Thanks, for this! :greatpicturessign:
Don't forget to model the correct sort of cow for your period and area. Black and whites arrived in the UK only in the 50s.
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 21, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Don't forget to model the correct sort of cow for your period and area. Black and whites arrived in the UK only in the 50s.
Black ones have been milked (empty). White ones are ready to be milked (ie full) and black and white ones are half full of milk.
Ok......I'll get my coat.
Quote from: port perran on February 21, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 21, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Don't forget to model the correct sort of cow for your period and area. Black and whites arrived in the UK only in the 50s.
Black ones have been milked (empty). White ones are ready to be milked (ie full) and black and white ones are half full of milk.
Ok......I'll get my coat.
Well I never. I didn't know that. I think I would prefer full cows so that's all white..
:D
Quote from: austinbob on February 21, 2016, 04:30:25 PM
Quote from: port perran on February 21, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Black ones have been milked (empty). White ones are ready to be milked (ie full) and black and white ones are half full of milk.
Ok......I'll get my coat.
Well I never. I didn't know that. I think I would prefer full cows so that's all white..
:D
Time to mooooove on I think. :P
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 21, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Don't forget to model the correct sort of cow for your period and area. Black and whites arrived in the UK only in the 50s.
Good to know! Noch make a variety of colors but my set is indeed the black and whites. Thankfully I run a modern heritage layout so mine can be excused as the farmer's preference :)
Karhedron said....time to mooooooove on. Pull the udder one Matt.
Before too long a moderator may decide to take the bull by the horns, and tan the hide off of anyone who doesn't cow down. Yep, just off to get my coat too!!!
Quote from: trkilliman on February 21, 2016, 05:58:19 PM
Karhedron said....time to mooooooove on. Pull the udder one Matt.
Before too long a moderator may decide to take the bull by the horns, and tan the hide off of anyone who doesn't cow down. Yep, just off to get my coat too!!!
Milking it for all it's worth ;D
Quote from: port perran on February 21, 2016, 04:21:10 PM
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 21, 2016, 04:15:17 PM
Don't forget to model the correct sort of cow for your period and area. Black and whites arrived in the UK only in the 50s.
Black ones have been milked (empty). White ones are ready to be milked (ie full) and black and white ones are half full of milk.
Ok......I'll get my coat.
If that is the case
Does this mean the Brown cows contain Chocolate Milk :drool:
Dave :thumbsup:
D'ya know - I've forgotten why I started this thread. I don't even like milk much!!
:doh: :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on February 21, 2016, 06:17:02 PM
D'ya know - I've forgotten why I started this thread. I don't even like milk much!!
:doh: :beers:
Howcan you not like Moo Moo juice ???
Quote from: paulprice on February 21, 2016, 06:36:12 PM
Quote from: austinbob on February 21, 2016, 06:17:02 PM
D'ya know - I've forgotten why I started this thread. I don't even like milk much!!
:doh: :beers:
Howcan you not like Moo Moo juice ???
If he's anything like me, because the joy of consuming chocolate milk is quickly replaced by the distress of producing it :-\ whoops... Did I say that?
I see we are still Churning it out,
but I think we have reached the Rump of the jokes,
so it is probably time to Chuck it in ?
I would think that most cattle moved by rail were beef cattle and British popular beef cattle have always included black as in Aberdeen Angus or black and white as in Galloways
Quote from: javlinfaw7 on February 21, 2016, 09:47:24 PM
I would think that most cattle moved by rail were beef cattle and British popular beef cattle have always included black as in Aberdeen Angus or black and white as in Galloways
Belted Galloways. We did think of those onceover, but no local supplier, so we went for Dexter instead :) They fetch a fair price now, and so does the meat from them, to the degree that, we found out later, our slaughterman/butcher was making off with an (un)fair proportion :(
I'm glad you brought the thread back on course because we were in danger of turning poor Bob's efforts into a load of Tripe
mahatmacoat > > >
MalcolmAL said,
I'm glad you brought the thread back on course because we were in danger of turning poor Bob's efforts into a load of Tripe
mahatmacoat > > >
I'll not mince my words, I reckon you can steak a claim for the best puns so far. Maybe time for the ribbing to stop now though, as it's been pared to the bone?
I think I need something stronger than milk now.... :D :beers: :beers: :beers: :beers:
Before Sprintex horns in and moves this thread to jokes, (it has been one of the best series of puns) here are a few extra morsels for the hoof-counters.
Reminiscences of a gentleman of 90+ who told me that before the Great War he can remember complaints of those living near the goods yard of the protests of the cattle who were left in trucks overnight - I look forward to videos of Caz's fitting decoders and speakers into her cattle trucks....
Reminiscences of a signalman who complained that, when a cow was seen to have fallen over in transit, the train would have to be stopped and shunted into the nearest cattle dock for the truck to be emptied and the animal restored to its feet. The partitions were provided so that cattle could be tightly fitted in to prevent their falling over, and the framing was always away from the occupied side to prevent injury.
Memories of being told that cattle trucks and horse boxes had to be at the front of goods trains to reduce the effect of shunting loose-coupled wagons, and that on branch lines horse boxes or cattle trucks could be added to passenger workings if the wagons were vacuum-fitted.
Pre-1920s the interiors of cattle trucks were sometimes lime-washed to disinfect them so that interiors were white and characteristic white stains would appear where the lime washed out in the gaps at the bottom of wagon sides and where the planks were not tightly butted together. The practice was banned in the 1920s.
Horned cattle were loaded across the wagon head to tail to avoid accidents.
Quote from: austinbob on February 22, 2016, 08:23:48 AM
I think I need something stronger than milk now.... :D :beers: :beers: :beers: :beers:
Bovril? :pint:
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 22, 2016, 08:30:33 AM
Before Sprintex horns in and moves this thread to jokes, (it has been one of the best series of puns) here are a few extra morsels for the hoof-counters.
Reminiscences of a gentleman of 90+ who told me that before the Great War he can remember complaints of those living near the goods yard of the protests of the cattle who were left in trucks overnight - I look forward to videos of Caz's fitting decoders and speakers into her cattle trucks....
Reminiscences of a signalman who complained that, when a cow was seen to have fallen over in transit, the train would have to be stopped and shunted into the nearest cattle dock for the truck to be emptied and the animal restored to its feet. The partitions were provided so that cattle could be tightly fitted in to prevent their falling over, and the framing was always away from the occupied side to prevent injury.
Memories of being told that cattle trucks and horse boxes had to be at the front of goods trains to reduce the effect of shunting loose-coupled wagons, and that on branch lines horse boxes or cattle trucks could be added to passenger workings if the wagons were vacuum-fitted.
Pre-1920s the interiors of cattle trucks were sometimes lime-washed to disinfect them so that interiors were white and characteristic white stains would appear where the lime washed out in the gaps at the bottom of wagon sides and where the planks were not tightly butted together. The practice was banned in the 1920s.
Horned cattle were loaded across the wagon head to tail to avoid accidents.
This is really interesting, thank you for posting. It answered some questions I was going to post at some point. I'm pleased I don't have to lime wash my cattle wagons.
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 22, 2016, 08:30:33 AM
The practice was banned in the 1920s.
What was the reason for the ban?
Quote from: NinOz on February 22, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
Quote from: LAandNQFan on February 22, 2016, 08:30:33 AM
The practice was banned in the 1920s.
What was the reason for the ban?
I believe that the lime contributed to hoof rot (whatever that is). It was replaced circa 1926 with a 5% phenol in water solution. This was suitably disinfectant without the side effects (or visible evidence) of lime wash.
Thank you Richard and Karhedron! Very useful information!! :) Thanks for mooving the thread along :)
I have a couple of packs of these for 'Bletchford' and find them suitably disgusting condition wise :)
http://www.ehattons.com/42793/Graham_Farish_373_270_Triple_pack_8_Ton_cattle_wagons_in_BR_bauxite_early_weathered/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/42793/Graham_Farish_373_270_Triple_pack_8_Ton_cattle_wagons_in_BR_bauxite_early_weathered/StockDetail.aspx)
Some interesting stuff has been mentioned here, but I think it's time for me to steer clear. Fish vans are interesting, but I don't want any hake mail...I can fillet coming.
Something that has been a long interest of mine is the Cornish broccoli traffic that started its journey from Ponsandane (Penzance) and were known as the broccoli specials. Living just 22 miles away I have visited the semi-derelict Ponsandane loading sidings a few times, but I feel it will be developed on soon. Many photos of it are online.
In fact it was cauliflowers that for some reason were referred to as being broccoli. Interestingly much of the vegetable traffic was carried in cleaned cattle wagons due to the ventilation they offered!
At Bristol some traffic was sent to Wales, some to the Midlands and forward to Scotland.
Back in the day vegetable/flower traffic was huge from Cornwall due to it being a milder growing climate. Fish was also a big traffic. I do grimace when I see veg in Cornish shops/supermarkets that has been grown in e.g Israel, and in particular blackberries from Bolivia have stuck in my mind.
Many cattle trucks were also converted to "Ale Wagon"s because they were so well ventilated. So Austinbob needn't limit himself to Bovril.
They are even available commercially:
http://www.osbornsmodels.com/nr-46abc-peco-gwr-ale-wagon-converted-cattle-truck-with-barrel-load-7236-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/nr-46abc-peco-gwr-ale-wagon-converted-cattle-truck-with-barrel-load-7236-p.asp)
Quote from: trkilliman on February 22, 2016, 07:02:14 AM
I'll not mince my words, I reckon you can steak a claim for the best puns so far. Maybe time for the ribbing to stop now though, as it's been pared to the bone?
:laughabovepost: :admiration:
I think you have a fair claim to a First Rosette yourself :)
Any moment now I am sure a mod. will be along to put salt on our tails to Cure us of this habit.
We tend to treat posting to a forum as a kind of conversation but without facial expression and sound/intonation it is a very limited straight jacket, almost, one could say, a bit sort of Potted Tongue ?
But seriously folks, very informative and entertaining at the same time, I have learned lots about the use of cattle wagons. Thank you everyone, and I have now moooved all my unfitted Peco cattle wagons up to the front of my trains ! :thumbsup:
Now, without hesitation but perhaps a little deviation,,,, never mind the fish, lots of fish vans about but,
what happened to pig and/or sheep wagons? One never hears much about them?
"Any moment now I am sure a mod will be along to put salt on our tails to Cure us of this habit"
Salt beef then...
Now and again this forum can get a bit heavy, with claims/accusations being made. A tirade of puns does serve to lighten things, and even this thread littered with them has thrown up some interesting facts and pictures. It's been fairly brisket times.
In many respects it's a pretty grim World out there, so puns that can coax a few smiles must surely be a good thing?
http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html (http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html)
I found this (above)...
Quote from: DarthBadger on February 22, 2016, 09:00:10 PM
http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html (http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html)
I found this (above)...
That's interesting. I wonder if there is any UK equivalent? :beers:
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 03:19:29 PM
what happened to pig and/or sheep wagons? One never hears much about them?
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows, Malcolm :worried:
Quote from: newportnobby on February 22, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows
Yes, could be, but that then begs the question - why live cows but dead others ?
I'm an awkward cus isnt I :D
Quote from: DarthBadger on February 22, 2016, 09:00:10 PM
http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html (http://www.grandin.com/meat.association.institute.html)
I found this (above)...
Interesting. I'm a friend of a friend of Temple Grandin :)
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 22, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows
Yes, could be, but that then begs the question - why live cows but dead others ?
I'm an awkward cus isnt I :D
Milk?
Quote from: JayM481 on February 22, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 22, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows
Yes, could be, but that then begs the question - why live cows but dead others ?
I'm an awkward cus isnt I :D
Milk?
Prezactly :D
Quote from: JayM481 on February 22, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 22, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows
Yes, could be, but that then begs the question - why live cows but dead others ?
I'm an awkward cus isnt I :D
Milk?
:idea:
but hang on, didnt someone earlier say that most cattle movement by rail was to slaughter ? Which made me think that Bob's filled wagons should only be on the 'up' line ?
And which tied up with my memories of the 40s and 50s that most livestock movement between farmers was by local lanes.
Why would milk cows be traveling far afield by rail ? *
(Amusing diversion : you should have seen us trying our first cattle drove, two little Dexter heffers [minature cattle for those not in the know ! It was a hobby for us that got a bit bigger than hens ! , we are not farmers ] from one borrowed field to another.
3 family members and 2 associates and still some front gardens were at risk :) fortunately no naturtiums were harmed during the event :smiley-laughing: )
* awkward cusing :)
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 10:31:46 PM
Quote from: JayM481 on February 22, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 22, 2016, 09:18:12 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 22, 2016, 09:08:41 PM
I suspect the majority was moved as 'deadstock' unlike the 'live stock' cows
Yes, could be, but that then begs the question - why live cows but dead others ?
I'm an awkward cus isnt I :D
Milk?
:idea:
but hang on, didnt someone earlier say that most cattle movement by rail was to slaughter ? Which made me think that Bob's filled wagons should only be on the 'up' line ?
Ah ! Found it :-
Quote from: javlinfaw7 on February 21, 2016, 09:47:24 PM
I would think that most cattle moved by rail were beef cattle and British popular beef cattle have always included black as in Aberdeen Angus or black and white as in Galloways
Thanks Jav
And for your further amusement :
these days you need a 'passport' (edit : I forgot - and a TB test) to mooove a cow from one field to another if they are in different 'holding numbers', even though those fields may be adjacent with only a thorn hedge and bit of barbed wire betwixt.
Now I would not dare to abuse forum rules by discussing Schengen and the EU ! would I :veryangry: LOL!
So you can imagine how many sausages a beast can be converted into, but if it is slaughtered by you and butchered by you it can only be consumed by,,, yes, you ! They are still arguing over the small matter of joint ownership by an extended family (let alone a hedge fund , doh! )
Kine of back to the topic: sheep were transported in cattle trucks. You just squeezed as many in as you could as long as the drover could get through. Wool is very squashable, but if they were recently shorn they had to be protected from the draft with tarps. A cheap solution to filling your trucks, then: hide the interior with a bit of black paper and claim that you are being humane in protecting the poor nekkid sheep.
On the subject of the lime wash and weathering, I'd heard about this when looking at pics of other models (although in other scales) of GWR cattle trucks on the GWR Modelling site http://www.gwr.org.uk/index.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/index.html)
so did that and the bit of grass/straw on my n gauge one..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Weathering_Project/Dir_1/medium_11205.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11205)
I found the GWR Modelling site to be a pretty handy source of inspiration as a lot of the scratch built models in the different scales show some variants of wagons that wouldn't be too nasty to kit bash from N gauge kits or RTR and there's some really nice weathering effects that gave me useful ideas for mine.
Maurice Pearce's 4mm Cattle Wagon http://www.gwr.org.uk/galpearce1.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/galpearce1.html)
Quote from: Zwilnik on February 23, 2016, 09:48:02 AM
On the subject of the lime wash and weathering, I'd heard about this when looking at pics of other models (although in other scales) of GWR cattle trucks on the GWR Modelling site http://www.gwr.org.uk/index.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/index.html)
so did that and the bit of grass/straw on my n gauge one..
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Weathering_Project/Dir_1/medium_11205.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=11205)
I found the GWR Modelling site to be a pretty handy source of inspiration as a lot of the scratch built models in the different scales show some variants of wagons that wouldn't be too nasty to kit bash from N gauge kits or RTR and there's some really nice weathering effects that gave me useful ideas for mine.
Maurice Pearce's 4mm Cattle Wagon http://www.gwr.org.uk/galpearce1.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/galpearce1.html)
What a nice piece of work!!
:beers:
I did this cattle truck as my weathering project when we had that challenge on the forum a while (years!) back. Here's the link if you're interested..
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0)
Quote from: Zwilnik on February 23, 2016, 10:14:19 AM
I did this cattle truck as my weathering project when we had that challenge on the forum a while (years!) back. Here's the link if you're interested..
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0)
Very interesting thread Zwilnik. I've not seen this before as its well before I joined the Forum. I've bookmarked this for future reference and will give your techniques a try at some stage in the future (I haven't even got all my track wired up yet). I've got two or three of those Peco kits I can experiment with. Thanks for the info Sir.
:D :beers:
Quote from: Zwilnik on February 23, 2016, 10:14:19 AM
I did this cattle truck as my weathering project when we had that challenge on the forum a while (years!) back. Here's the link if you're interested..
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=833.0)
Wow! Really excellent work! Wish I had found that thread before I did my first
Peco kit! I will also have to keep that thread to hand for reference when I start paining my next kits :) Thanks for this!