Would these have gone southern ?

[Phoenix]

Hi All,

On my new layout I plan to run this 64xx with the maroon autocoach as a passenger train, and the J94 running out of a small coal yard, with two private owner wagons.



Rather than go Western, as Windmill Hill is, I would like to have a layout based somewhere near Brighton, with Southern region colours on the station.

This is because that is the area my mother is from, and I have an Oxford Diecast Southdown bus, the same number and route we used to ride.

Could anyone please let me know if those locos would fit in that area.

Many thanks

All best wishes

Kevin

[PLD]

In short - very unlikely...

Ex GW Push-pull units were never moved off region as their method of control from the trailer was incompatible with other regions and unfamiliar to the crews and engineers.

Only chance of seeing a Hunslet Austerity Tank that far south would be in industrial service (e.g. Coal Board) or Military use not in BR livery and not on the main line.

Also apart from a few specialised types Private Owner wagons were taken into common use at the start of WW2 and ownership passed to BR on nationalisation. PO liveries were rarely seen and barely discernable under the layer of grime and decay...

[longbow]

GW autotrains would been seen on routes in the south west transferred from GWR to BR Southern, such as the Weymouth line.

[exmouthcraig]

Sacrilege 

Only joking Kev, but in short like PLD I'd say very very unlikely.

In 1963 when Exmouth junction was transferred to WR they received a couple of Pannier tanks as bankers for the 1 in 37 up from St David's. In truth they were useless.

You have a plausible reason to run them in SW but might struggle for SE.

Push Pull workings existed on the Seaton branch but not with a Pannier.

J94, not that my SR knowledge is plentiful I dont know of any that were ever on SR metals.

Maybe the Southdown bus will have to be on an excursion 

[tunneroner61]

The line from Castle Cary to Weymouth was GWR. The LSWR had running powers from Dorchester to Weymouth. The branches to Bridport, Abbotsbury were also GWR. The line onto Portland was joint GWR/LSWR. There were definitely auto trains in use on this area, later it was GW railcars and then Pressed Steel single units.

But as others have said no GWR as far east as Brighton, nor J94s.

[longbow]

BR Southern Region took over the GWR Weymouth line south of Castle Cary in 1950, and soon put their stamp on many of the stations with southern paint schemes, signalling, signage and station fittings. As you say the rolling stock remained firmly WR in origin. 

[Phoenix]

 

Many thanks indeed for all your answers, and it was as I thought, not very likely to have happened. I could go all "rule one" but I do like to keep at least a bit of reality going, so I  think I will hold the "Southern" plan.

As my layouts are so tiny, I am limited to what I can run. From Windmill Hill, I know the 64xx with the autocoach will run, and do like the lined green with maroon coach combination.

Once again thank you all for your help



All best wishes

Kevin

[chrism]

In 1963 when Exmouth junction was transferred to WR they received a couple of Pannier tanks as bankers for the 1 in 37 up from St David's. In truth they were useless.

You have a plausible reason to run them in SW but might struggle for SE.

In BR days, half a dozen 5700s made it as far across as extreme SE - allocated to Dover they worked the Folkestone Harbour branch, including banking boat trains.
Another half dozen were allocated to Nine Elms and used for ECS workings between Waterloo and Clapham Junction.

5700s, however, were never fitted for working with autotrailers.

[Bealman]

And coming from the NE, I grew up with J94 saddle tanks at NCB collieries, I can't imagine any being down in the Southern.

I still love the Poole Farish models, though, I have two, BR black and NCB liveries. Very basic details, but good runners, and two of my favourite locos! 

[Bob G]

The GWR came down to Basingstoke from Reading, and also ran Manors to Redhill on the old Reading - Redhill line.

The GWR also came down to Southampton via the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton Railway and joined the LSWR main line south of Winchester. Plenty excuse to have City of Truro, Collett Goods locos, Halls, Manors and Granges running down to Southampton. GWR inter-regional trains ran from Portsmouth and Southampton west through Salisbury and then on to Bristol.

Much easier to excuse a larger inter-regional train than a small branch train.

HTH
Bob

[Phoenix]

Thanks again for all your help 

I will stay BR Western, and found this site for getting the station colours right https://www.stationcolours.com/

That will sort out things for the 64xx and autocoach, and the J94 will be heavily weathered in a little coal yard, with two wagons.

You're right George, it runs lovely 

All best wishes

Kevin

[Karhedron]

6412 and 6430 worked the Seaton branch with autocoaches for a while. Again a bit further west than you have in mind but you are only stretching reality a little.

[Bob G]

They used ex GWR panniers on the Folkestone Harbour branch too, when they retired the old SR tanks, but I dont remember what type they used (or what they replaced).
Doh!
Bob

[Newportnobby]

here's a list of what was shedded at Brighton over the years and will give you some ideas, maybe, Kevin........

http://www.brdatabase.info/sites.php?page=depots&subpage=locos&id=91

[chrism]

They used ex GWR panniers on the Folkestone Harbour branch too, when they retired the old SR tanks, but I dont remember what type they used (or what they replaced).

As per reply #7, they were 5700s. They replaced SER R1s.
The ones at Nine Elms replaced LSWR M7s, whilst the Weymouth/Portland ones replaced LSWR O2s.