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Title: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Tank on February 13, 2021, 10:34:58 AM
Dear all,

There has been an increase in swearing on the forum in recent weeks.  This is against our Code of Conduct, and includes the thinly veiled attempts at swapping letters for symbols or leaving spaces between letters.  Due to the recent frequency and the moderators being busy, we will therefore delete an entire post for including the word.  This may also include us muting the member for a number of weeks as well.

Please report any that you see, as this is a busy forum and the team can't read every post!

Thanks for your help,
Tank.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: lil chris on March 26, 2021, 05:27:37 PM
Thanks for the advice I always avoid swearing on the site but is it still ok to swear at home. The other night I lost my internet at home and I could not log into my fav site, I am afraid I am guilty of swearing on that occasion. Keep safe.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 26, 2021, 08:28:06 PM
 ;D Feel free, @lil chris (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784) . There are no Mods at your house to delete anything, and it's another way of saving for more coal wagons if you have a swear box.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: lil chris on March 26, 2021, 08:48:50 PM
;D Feel free, @lil chris (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784) . There are no Mods at your house

Your wrong there Mick @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) swmbo would have something to say about it. I don't hold any hopes for the Wigan show this year, keeping my fingers crossed. Keep Safe.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: honestjudge on March 27, 2021, 05:21:08 AM
 :censored:

Out of curiosity,  is this emoji option you offer considered swearing?
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Bealman on March 27, 2021, 06:00:52 AM
If the software recognises something that is not allowed, it substitutes that symbol... usually.

(That's my understanding of it - perhaps @Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)  can elaborate)
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: chrism on March 27, 2021, 06:24:35 AM
If the software recognises something that is not allowed, it substitutes that symbol... usually.


A friend was an admin on a photography forum and, being a Canon user, he changed the swear filter to replace "Nikon" with "Tonka"  :D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: weave on March 27, 2021, 06:52:18 AM
:censored:

Out of curiosity,  is this emoji option you offer considered swearing?
:censored:

Out of curiosity,  is this emoji option you offer considered swearing?

Good question. I don't know the answer but would be good to know. I've used it a few times where the reader would probably know what it stood for but I thought I was being family friendly and forum correct by putting it in myself but maybe not???



Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Bealman on March 27, 2021, 07:10:08 AM
Well, at the moment, it is there, available for use.

I think Tank is referring to words which start with the first letter and end with the last, so it is obvious what it is.

But the symbol is substituted for obviously offensive words.

Once again, we'll need Tank to clarify the situation with the censored symbol.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: njee20 on March 27, 2021, 07:52:27 AM
As I read it he means circumventing any filters by using alternative letters, like $h1p or putting spaces like “s h i p”. It would be very odd to have an issue with either starring out words, or use of a “censored” emoji. The idea being that both conceal the word that you’re (not) writing.

I’m always amused by this stance though in the interest of family friendliness - the users of Mumsnet use language which would make a navvy blush!

Another forum I’m a member of has a decent filter, you type exactly what you want and it simply stars anything inappropriate. Circumventing that like the above is a banable offence. Personally I’ve never tested that here, so no idea if there’s any filter, other than the “large chicken” nonsense, it seems easier to just… y’know… not swear.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: GrahamB on March 27, 2021, 08:12:37 AM
I typed "work" once. But I think I got away with it.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Bealman on March 27, 2021, 08:12:54 AM
Yeah, well that's basically it.  Please don't swear on the forum.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: honestjudge on March 27, 2021, 08:35:00 AM
Yes I would agree ,  don't swear. Then I wonder why are people swearing on a model train forum?
I know some people are really passionate about the hobby, but it seems to me that certain topics, mainly non N gauge, inspire the bad language.
 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Train Waiting on March 27, 2021, 08:51:14 AM
Yeah, well that's basically it.  Please don't swear on the forum.  :thumbsup:

Seconded; absolutely no need for it.

John
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: emjaybee on March 27, 2021, 09:18:49 AM
Yes I would agree ,  don't swear. Then I wonder why are people swearing on a model train forum?
I know some people are really passionate about the hobby, but it seems to me that certain topics, mainly non N gauge, inspire the bad language.
 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.

We're all guilty of swearing at times in our lives. I'm as bad as anyone else. But I moderate my language around my clients and in social circles. Having a rage with/without swearing provides a proven chemical release in the brain which helps to reduce stress and anxiety.

That said, we can all cope without swearing on the forum, I was pulled up in my early days about character substitutions, but I try my best to avoid any further infringements.

Regards the 'Angry Thread', yes I think its perfectly acceptable. Again, venting provides the chemical release that helps us cope, and comfort is found by sharing frustrations, and solutions are frequently suggested following 'vents'. So its often a very positive thing. Let's not forget that some forum members, even pre-Covid, are somewhat isolated, whether its for health, personal or social reasons so I think it's a useful thread.

Opinions may vary...

Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Nbodger on March 27, 2021, 10:17:41 AM
Just in case

Does OO count as swearing?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: weave on March 27, 2021, 10:34:02 AM
Just in case

Does OO count as swearing?  :hmmm:

It does if you put a B in front and after. Very naughty.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: RailGooner on March 27, 2021, 11:03:28 AM
Just in case

Does OO count as swearing?  :hmmm:

It does if you put a B in front and after. Very naughty.

Surely mention of Sula nebouxii is OK?!  :D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 27, 2021, 11:39:16 AM

 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.

But, Shirley, the two go hand in hand?
We are an angry race. Currently the Angry thread is far more popular than the Happy thread.....
Happy thread 342 pages
Angry thread 478 pages

Personally I will remove all ill concealed swearing using e.g. asterisks, spacing etc but am fine with the censored symbol as I like to let folks imagine what I was saying to myself should they desire.

My mother "How dare you swear in front of me?"
Me "Sorry - I didn't know it was your turn"
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: honestjudge on March 27, 2021, 11:46:56 AM
Well thats sorted that one then.

Now who the  :censored: is Shirley?
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 27, 2021, 11:54:00 AM
Probably Alice's sister (nod to Chubby Brown, there)
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Roy L S on March 27, 2021, 12:01:29 PM
Jeez, I checked in to see what subjects might be worth looking at this morning and the biggest topic by far is about swearing. Is there really so little else going on in the world of N right now that this hits top spot??
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Yet_Another on March 27, 2021, 12:42:38 PM

 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.

But, Shirley, the two go hand in hand?
We are an angry race. Currently the Angry thread is far more popular than the Happy thread.....
Happy thread 342 pages
Angry thread 478 pages
I think most of the angry thread can be put down to a few prolific posters.

But the whole point of the angry thread, surely, is to concentrate ill-tempered posts into one place, where they can be ignored. The oft-enjoined phrase is: if you don't want to be upset by it, don't read it.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: lil chris on March 27, 2021, 02:00:24 PM
Well one things for sure my little post pushed this post to the front, you can’t beat a good discussion. Has for saying “OO” maybe swearing it is to some, let’s face it the more people that get into model railways no matter what the gauge can only be a good thing.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: chrism on March 27, 2021, 02:11:49 PM
Well one things for sure my little post pushed this post to the front, you can’t beat a good discussion. Has for saying “OO” maybe swearing it is to some, let’s face it the more people that get into model railways no matter what the gauge can only be a good thing.

Once hooked, they can always be re-educated  :D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: OffshoreAlan on March 27, 2021, 02:18:13 PM
I think that any attempt to justify swearing is a load of  :poop:.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 27, 2021, 04:02:29 PM
Well one things for sure my little post pushed this post to the front, you can’t beat a good discussion. Has for saying “OO” maybe swearing it is to some, let’s face it the more people that get into model railways no matter what the gauge can only be a good thing.

Once hooked, they can always be re-educated  :D

@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) I think you'll find the word is 'assimilated'. Resistance is futile >:D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Jon898 on March 27, 2021, 05:17:23 PM

Once hooked, they can always be re-educated  :D

@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) I think you'll find the word is 'assimilated'. Resistance is futile >:D
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Noooo, It's Volts divided by Amps.

Jon
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: ten0G on March 27, 2021, 05:35:27 PM
@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) I think you'll find the word is 'assimilated'. Resistance is futile >:D

Surely, the phrase is "Existence is futile?!"  >:D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 27, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Just in case

Does OO count as swearing?  :hmmm:

TOO blOOdy right it does!  :doh:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: GlenEglise on March 28, 2021, 12:55:45 AM
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Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Tank on March 29, 2021, 09:25:43 AM
The forum has a built in piece of coding to swap over any words that we feel are inappropriate to others.  Sometimes it's hard to get it right with the context of the word, like 'male chicken', as that can be naughty!  ;)

Those that add symbols or leave gaps in words just to show the word aren't very bright.   ::)  They may get around the filter, but when the moderators or myself read it, it's a ban. :scowl:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 29, 2021, 10:14:28 AM
My surname has 'male chicken' (changed by forum) in it and I have often had an issue if I have had to use my full name on certain webpages. Not this one though as I don't put it on here  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: dannyboy on March 29, 2021, 10:36:13 AM
Shouldn't "large chicken" read err...."large chicken"?  I presume we are talking about a male chicken here.  ???. Just wondering.  ;)
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 29, 2021, 10:42:23 AM
I think you're just being a 'male chicken' (changed by forum) now David  :D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: chrism on March 29, 2021, 10:59:23 AM
My surname has Large Chicken :) in it and I have often had an issue if I have had to use my full name on certain webpages. Not this one though as I don't put it on here  :thumbsup:

I wonder if the swear filter could be set to only trigger on [space]Large Chicken[space] ??

That way (if it is possible, depends on how the coding works) it would allow your surname as well as legitimate words like StopLargeChicken or, even, the railways civil contractor BabLargeChicken.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: PGN on March 29, 2021, 01:42:02 PM
I remember a dear friend on the national committee of my old trade union - a wonderfully gentle, inoffensive lady - being most upset when one of the words in one of her posts on the union  message board had been asterisked out, leaving "s******ing* ... and she couldn't for the life of her remember what word she had used, but was convinced (as were we all) that it couldn't have been offensive.

So I read her post in context and figured it out for her.

The word she had used was "s-n-i-g-g-e-r-i-n-g", and the software had decided that the middle section was offensive.

On the Great Outdoors Challenge message board (for lunatics like myself, who like to spend their holidays walking across Scotland) it is routine for those who are speaking of Donside to refer to a particularly well-frequented spot as "male hen bridge"!

of course, when referring to place names such as the Hertfordshire village of Shingay-cvm-Wendy it is advisable to use the Latin usage of a "v" in place of a "u" ... the word is, of course, a Latin word ("cvm" meaning "with") ... but I wonder if it is advisable to adopt this usage more generally? When referring, for instance, to the Scottish new town where they filmed "Gregory's Girl", should we routinely write "Cvmbernauld"? And come to that, should we speak of the English county of Cvmbria (or, if in pre-1972 mode) Cvmberland?

It's a minefield, isn't it??
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 29, 2021, 01:47:31 PM
Many years ago I played badminton and we used to hit a shuttle large chicken over the net  :D

In fairness to Tank though it does appear as shuttlecock  :thumbsup:

(No large chickens were harmed while we played by the way)
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: PGN on March 29, 2021, 01:50:38 PM
Does the football result Arsenal 3 - Scunthorpe 1 come out OK?

[yes ... it seems to ... ]
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 29, 2021, 02:08:02 PM
 :laughabovepost:

You have a PM  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 29, 2021, 02:35:45 PM
But isn't it madness when you can't type the well known name of a P2 steam loco i.e.
C o c k O' The North?
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: chrism on March 29, 2021, 02:52:06 PM
Those that add symbols or leave gaps in words just to show the word aren't very bright.   ::)  They may get around the filter, but when the moderators or myself read it, it's a ban. :scowl:
But isn't it madness when you can't type the well known name of a P2 steam loco i.e.
C o c k O' The North?

Miss, miss, he put spaces in  to get round the filter. I'm going to tell a mod ..... oops ... ah ... er ... um    :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: PGN on March 29, 2021, 03:08:02 PM
:laughabovepost:

You have a PM  :thumbsup:

Thank you, TrainFish.

They are, of course, two of the three English professional football clubs with rude words in their names.

If you cannot figure out the third, you'll have to PM me for enlightenment ...
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Fardap on March 29, 2021, 03:33:55 PM

 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.

But, Shirley, the two go hand in hand?
We are an angry race. Currently the Angry thread is far more popular than the Happy thread.....
Happy thread 342 pages
Angry thread 478 pages

I wonder though if the extra pages in the angry thread are generated by supportive messages and suggestions on fixing an issue. As previously stated that thread is not only somewhere to rant but also get support.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 29, 2021, 05:00:57 PM

 Do we need an angry thread?  I may be wrong but this seems to me where all the ranting comes from.

But, Shirley, the two go hand in hand?
We are an angry race. Currently the Angry thread is far more popular than the Happy thread.....
Happy thread 342 pages
Angry thread 478 pages

I wonder though if the extra pages in the angry thread are generated by supportive messages and suggestions on fixing an issue. As previously stated that thread is not only somewhere to rant but also get support.

I agree completely. Heaps more follow on posts than in the Happy Thread.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Jon898 on March 29, 2021, 05:22:32 PM
I'm reminded of a former colleague in Paris who tried to describe an incompetent designer as someone who couldn't tell his âne from his coude.  Not surprisingly, our french co-workers just looked puzzled.

Jon
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: grumbeast on March 29, 2021, 06:01:40 PM
Personally I love swearing, but just out-loud, so I don't on the forum and find it just lovely that the written word can be so much more civilized thank spoken. So I'm super happy to have no swearing on here at all, besides this is about trains, something we all LOVE (one would presume) so I think we can find better words to talk about our shared passion.

G.
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: weave on March 29, 2021, 07:00:40 PM
:laughabovepost:

You have a PM  :thumbsup:

Thank you, TrainFish.

They are, of course, two of the three English professional football clubs with rude words in their names.

If you cannot figure out the third, you'll have to PM me for enlightenment ...

Uddersfeeled Town?
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Newportnobby on March 29, 2021, 08:32:03 PM
I'm reminded of a former colleague in Paris who tried to describe an incompetent designer as someone who couldn't tell his âne from his coude.  Not surprisingly, our french co-workers just looked puzzled.

Jon

I love things like that, where an English saying which means absolutely nothing to a foreigner is literally translated. Another one is "Je suis toutes oreilles" :D
Title: Re: Swearing On The Forum
Post by: Trainfish on March 29, 2021, 10:52:54 PM
And maybe the team who play at the Mazuma stadium?
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