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Title: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 05:41:06 PM
Hello all,

We've removed the old 'Thank You' system and installed a new 'Post Ratings' system that lets you send a 'Thank You' and a lot more!

We listened to members who regularly asked for the clickable 'Thank You' to be at the bottom of a post, which this does.

Do have a look at the icons to the bottom right of this post.


FYI - We will try to merge the old 'Thank You' numbers from the old posts so that they're recognised with the new system.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 06:45:42 PM
I shall try to get integration so that when you get a rating, the forum can alert you.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on December 30, 2018, 07:13:22 PM
I've said it before, and it's worth saying again... Mr Administrator you're spoiling us with all these upgrades. :thankyousign: :NGF:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 30, 2018, 07:19:00 PM
FWIW various forums I've seen have done away with the dislike/disagree posts as it tends to cause conflict!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 07:22:49 PM
Yes, I thought about that. I'm happy for them to stay at the moment, but see your point as well.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 30, 2018, 07:29:34 PM
**rating added in jest**  :P
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Philip. on December 30, 2018, 07:32:54 PM
FWIW various forums I've seen have done away with the dislike/disagree posts as it tends to cause conflict!

so glad I'm not indecisive..........I think  :hmmm: :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on December 30, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
FWIW various forums I've seen have done away with the dislike/disagree posts as it tends to cause conflict!

At first I was going to click the disagree icon in jest - I could see an obvious (childish) joke in disagreeing with your post.

But seriously, I believe that the disagree icon can help avoid conflict. The alternative requires one to post one's disagreement, which might then prompt a counter-post, followed by a counter-counter-post, then a counter-counter-counter-post, etc. Conflict. I think the disagree icon allows one to disagree without argument and thereby avoid conflict.

My thoughts, which recognise (without claiming to carry any more weight than) yours. :beers:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 30, 2018, 07:40:43 PM
From what I can see you did click disagree? I do know what you mean, I'm pretty indifferent, but I do remember being annoyed when someone just 'dislikes' your post with no additional context!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: nookfield on December 30, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
Getting slow response from the pop up window when clicking on View List
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: NeMo on December 30, 2018, 07:49:36 PM
FWIW various forums I've seen have done away with the dislike/disagree posts as it tends to cause conflict!

Agreed; and don't see this as an improvement. The old "thank you" was a courtesy. The ratings system invites cliquey behaviour, point scoring off rivals, and all the other things that make some online forums less pleasant to be around.

The NGF is the one forum I've sticked with for many years, precisely because it's generally very friendly. I honestly don't see why it needs to be more like RMWeb. This forum has bags more N-specific information, and that's what attracted me (and doubtless other people) and I certainly don't look at RMWeb wondering why we don't have X and Y forum features!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 07:59:10 PM
We all view things differently and sometimes it's worth trying out new things to see if they work or not.  It's good to do research and see what other forums offer and compare to our own.  This modification is a standard modification that many forums now use (and have done for many years).  I certainly don't base this forum on any other, but value my 15 years of experience at running forums and the feedback from the users.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on December 30, 2018, 08:03:10 PM
From what I can see you did click disagree
...

Sometimes I find it impossible to resist that childish streak within. :D


..
I do know what you mean, I'm pretty indifferent, but I do remember being annoyed when someone just 'dislikes' your post with no additional context!

And I can acknowledge that. I wonder how long before I'm similarly frustrated by my own petard(?). :beers:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: JasonBz on December 30, 2018, 08:14:18 PM
I think the overall installation of a  a few buttons to express ones views on a post can save a lot of the very short "great work" or  "me too" type posts which can clog up threads.

Having them at the end of the post helps to, no more scrolling back to press the thank you button!

Maybe losing a couple of the buttons would make it a bit neater/ easier to get the right one.
For example do you really need both a dislike and disagree button, they are almost the same thing.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: NeMo on December 30, 2018, 08:19:01 PM
I think the overall installation of a  a few buttons to express ones views on a post can save a lot of the very short "great work" or  "me too" type posts which can clog up threads.

The "clogging up" your describe also happens to be the basic human interaction that makes this forum so friendly. Not everyone needs every post to include technical details and insight. Sometimes reading those kind words about what somebody likes encourages you to do more modelling and post more often.

Clicking a button to say "well done" removes the human aspect. It's rather like those pre-recorded announcements at stations apologising for the later running of a certain train. Worthless and empty.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 08:40:55 PM
You didn't complain about that when we had the previous 'Thank you' system?!   :P ;D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: NeMo on December 30, 2018, 08:42:54 PM
You didn't complain about that when we had the previous 'Thank you' system?!   :P ;D

Is this directed at me?

Nope; because as @JasonBz (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4585) pointed out, people were more than likely to actually leave a message. I hope they still will. I merely object to the idea that actual posts saying "nice photos" or "well done" or whatever are clogging up threads. They're not; I think they're lovely, and look forward to them!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on December 30, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
Having just woken up to this here in Oz, and at the risk annoying the boss, I do feel that's it's a bit of overkill. As NeMo says, it seems impersonal.

I would often post a thank you, and then a post expressing what I thought in words. Much more personal, and once again, as NeMo suggests, would possibly encourage further modelling and improvement.

Placing the the thank you at the end of the post is most definitely a positive, though.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 30, 2018, 08:52:14 PM
You didn't complain about that when we had the previous 'Thank you' system?!   :P ;D

Is this directed at me?

Nope; because as JasonBz pointed out, people were more than likely to actually leave a message. I hope they still will. I merely object to the idea that actual posts saying "nice photos" or "well done" or whatever are clogging up threads. They're not; I think they're lovely, and look forward to them!

Cheers, NeMo

Yes, I replied to the last post.

I've found that there is a lot more interaction from people if they only have to hit a button to comment, rather than have to write a post.  It is annoying if you go to a thread and someone has written a one or two word reply or an emoji.  This new way just lets the person who did the post find out another users opinion without telling the whole collective that their post is "Wow!". 

I find that it's also the case with a lot of members of forums who lurk, that they may interact with a post by using one of these ratings.

I feel there is no harm in trying this.  Certainly a candidate for removing the Agree/Disagree is a possible favourite to go, as we have Like and Dislike.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on December 30, 2018, 09:01:28 PM
Using the  :thumbsup: and  :thumbsdown: options will, since Christmas Day, always bring my two year old grand-daughter Ruby to mind, as my wife taught her to recreate the catch phrases and actions of the comedian Norman Vaughan, who died, aged 75 back in 2002:

Thumb up = “Swinging!”

Thumb down = “Dodgy!”

Makes me laugh just thinking about her saying and doing them, to the mystified bemusement of her parents who have no idea what is going on. :D


As for the other options, let’s just give them time. Personally I like the option to not post but just make it clear that I am laughing at a joke, rather than saying thank you, or being able to simply state that I agree or disagree with a point without entering into a discussion. After all, if someone has a firm opinion, often no amount of discussion is likely to change it, and a thread can enter realms best left unvisited.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on December 30, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
Always thought that was Jimmy Tarbuck?  :hmmm:

I too think that the laugh at joke good option is good.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 30, 2018, 09:40:43 PM
Could the various icons be spaced out a bit more for clumsy people like me ,other wise some posts might get the wrong one sent and that might upset the  person that posted the item .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PLD on December 30, 2018, 09:50:44 PM
I agree with keeping the 'disagree' button (feel free to click on disagree if you feel it shouldn't be used!  ;) )

I do however think the range should be slimmed down a bit though - the current 12 options is more than any other forum I use so maybe just have:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 30, 2018, 09:56:23 PM
Yes, I replied to the last post.

I've found that there is a lot more interaction from people if they only have to hit a button to comment, rather than have to write a post.  It is annoying if you go to a thread and someone has written a one or two word reply or an emoji.  This new way just lets the person who did the post find out another users opinion without telling the whole collective that their post is "Wow!". 

OT: I would happily mete out instant lifetime bans for anyone who quotes the post immediately preceding theirs (typically one with loads of photos) then just adds “looks great”.  RAGE!

As an aside, if we are slimming down the list I’d much sooner have agree/disagree than like/dislike. Dislike particularly I think is actually quite an unpleasant sentiment, whilst disagreeing is fine, and the basis for discussion.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Madann01 on December 30, 2018, 10:38:03 PM
Having just sent my first 'agree' with a post rating on this subject, a thought has crossed my mind that I have agreed with the whole content of the post despite there being a couple of points being raised by the author one of which I had no opinion about. So it appears that I have agreed with the whole post.
 This is my first foray into forums on any subject so I am unaware of how other forums operate or even if I care to find out :confused2: I can only comment on my experience with this forum which I have found to be extremely friendly, I do however have concerns about being 'Rated' on any future posts as any negative ratings would certainly put me off from posting questions or asking for help :(
 Having said this I can see that these ratings can be of use on certain boards as a part of healthy debate and as a bit of a straw poll but surely  not appropriate on all boards, :uneasy:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 30, 2018, 10:53:43 PM
I would still selectively quote in the instance you don’t want to agree with the whole post, or more significantly if you actively disagree with parts of what have been said.

For me ratings are a secondary thing. I’ll still usually comment, but it can be a nice addition to ‘like’ something.

I see we no longer notified when you get a rating. Did that get mentioned?!  :dunce:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on December 30, 2018, 11:11:04 PM
Yep.

I shall try to get integration so that when you get a rating, the forum can alert you.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: railsquid on December 30, 2018, 11:30:48 PM
I do however think the range should be slimmed down a bit though - the current 12 options is more than any other forum I use so maybe just have:
  • Thank you
  • Agree or Like (but not both)
  • Disagree or Dislike (but not both)
  • Funny
  • Plus a button that seems to get quite a lot of use on some fora but not in the current selection meaning "please kindly expand or rephrase your posting as something is lost in translation and I don't comprehend your meaning", or to put it more simply "What the **** are you on about..."   ::)

I agree with this - it's not even obvious what some of them are, and while there an "alt text" defined in the images it's not showing for me.

In particular the "tick" and "cross" buttons seem to duplicate the "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" ones?

What is the rainbow? The brush (which is often used as an edit icon)? The spanner?

Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Yet_Another on December 30, 2018, 11:41:50 PM
Oh dear.

There seems to be no way of telling what's what on an ipad - no alt text as far as I can see.

The icons are too close together to be easily selectable.

The animation is just annoying.

The blob of emojis at the bottom of every post is just a mess.

Not a fan.  :thumbsdown:

But thanks for putting the effort in.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on December 31, 2018, 12:03:05 AM
Yes, the more I'm looking at it this morning here in Oz, the moving thank you to the bottom would have been enough.

Having said that, I think PLD's suggestion has merit.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: railsquid on December 31, 2018, 12:59:17 AM
Personally I'm not keen on the dislike/disagree buttons - I feel if someone isn't in agreement or doesn't like something, they should actually say it and their reasoning for it rather than hiding behind casual passive-aggressive button clicks.

I remember RMweb had a "disagree" (and IIRC one other somewhat negative button) for a while, and the level of discourse improved quite a bit once they were removed.

I do like not having to scroll back to the top of the message to add a "Thank you".
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 31, 2018, 01:04:08 AM
Seriously "if it aint broke don't fix it"

In the EMO world you add lots of EMOticons to provoke.  EMOS are generally teenage and spotty and not old enough to express them selves by proper English, so not many of our members.

A "Thank you" button at the bottom is enough the rest is frankly unsuitable for a model railway forum.

Can we have a vote whether to get rid of them please @Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: JasonBz on December 31, 2018, 01:39:50 AM
I think the overall installation of a  a few buttons to express ones views on a post can save a lot of the very short "great work" or  "me too" type posts which can clog up threads.

The "clogging up" your describe also happens to be the basic human interaction that makes this forum so friendly. Not everyone needs every post to include technical details and insight. Sometimes reading those kind words about what somebody likes encourages you to do more modelling and post more often.

Clicking a button to say "well done" removes the human aspect. It's rather like those pre-recorded announcements at stations apologising for the later running of a certain train. Worthless and empty.

Cheers, NeMo

Sorry, but I have to disagree there.
There is nothing much worse (forum wise) to see a thread you are interested in has grown, and then find its just six people copying the whole post just to add "great work mate" as their sole addition, oh and maybe a few smilies  thrown in for extra effect  :(
I would much rather be able to compliment someone on a job well done by showing them my approval via giving their input an "upvote" - I am never going to just say "well done mate" so I dont say anything.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 31, 2018, 08:58:18 AM
 I think just the thumbs up or down ,the Thankyou and maybe the smiley for some of the jokes will be a good idea and keep them at the bottom of the post
That way you can agree or disagree say Thankyou if someone has helped you solve a problem and smile at someone’s joke ,in my opinion that’s all you need.
I don’t know what the rainbow ,the spanner or the one at the end are anyway.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on December 31, 2018, 09:16:02 AM
I recall when I looked on the PC last night the rainbow was “optimistic” the paintbrush was “creative”. I forget the spanner.

While we’re all throwing our £0.02 into the ring I would:

- Slim them down a bit, agree/like/thank you are all useful though IMO
- get rid of the animation, I can’t stand all the animated emoticons on here and having a row of them on every post is a bit distracting.

Meant as constructive criticism, I appreciate the work Tank et al are doing.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Lawrence on December 31, 2018, 09:26:14 AM
Lets give the new system a go for a couple of months, the boys behind the scenes can look at the analytics to see how they are being used, or not, then, in line with the democratic ethos of this forum, we could put it to the vote whether or not to keep it as is or revert to the old system. No third option on keeping bits of it as that would just cause disagreement too.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: port perran on December 31, 2018, 09:26:23 AM
My view is just stay  with the Thank You button.
I can’t really see myself using any of the others I’m afraid.
But then,....I’m just an old stick in the mud.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on December 31, 2018, 09:38:16 AM
I'm happy to see the heart thudding away as it reminds me I'm still on Planet Earth (although some may debate that) ;D As to the rest, I doubt I'll be using many of them much but there are some who will and, as Lawrence has suggested, maybe some analytics after a couple of months will sort things out.
(First sentence was a stab at graveyard humour BTW)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: mickeyflinn on December 31, 2018, 09:41:42 AM
I have to agree with @Snowwolflair (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3761) & @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) - "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Before I retired in February, the company I worked for were renowned for "fixing" things that wern't broken to improve everything for the workers. Trouble is, it rarely worked.

I'm another vote for the return of the simple "Thank You" button.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on December 31, 2018, 09:45:10 AM
I'm happy to see the heart thudding away as it reminds me I'm still on Planet Earth (although some may debate that) ;D As to the rest, I doubt I'll be using many of them much but there are some who will and, as Lawrence has suggested, maybe some analytics after a couple of months will sort things out.
(First sentence was a stab at graveyard humour BTW)

Haven't weighed in on this as yet...

...oops, too late.

What's the point of all the icons? Just been tinkering, thinking I can say "Thank-you, I agree", or Thank-you, I like it", but you can't. You can only use one icon at any one time.

So, all I'm likely to do is say "Thank-you" and then post a reply below.

 :confused2:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on December 31, 2018, 09:49:17 AM
Personally I'm not keen on the dislike/disagree buttons - I feel if someone isn't in agreement or doesn't like something, they should actually say it and their reasoning for it rather than hiding behind casual passive-aggressive button clicks.

I remember RMweb had a "disagree" (and IIRC one other somewhat negative button) for a while, and the level of discourse improved quite a bit once they were removed.


The other option was 'Indecipherable/Unclear'. It was perhaps the most unhelpful and misused of the emoticons. A couple of members clearly had difficulty expressing themselves in writing, through whatever reason, and it seemed that every post they made some smart-arse would hit that button. Odd, because others made the effort to find out what he meant and some interesting threads came about because of it. It was often also used as a passive-aggressive reaction when threads got a little heated (as things do from time to time).

Emoticons do have their place, they help remove so many of the unnecessary clutter that loads of 'Me too' or 'Good work' create in a thread. But too many options make things confusing.

From a visual perspective, I don't particularly like them... especially the animated examples. They are somewhat distracting.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on December 31, 2018, 10:02:44 AM
As mentioned before, let’s just give it time. There are too many choices, and they are too close together IMHO, but something more than just ‘Thanks’ would be useful.
Only after a period of time will @Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) get a full picture of how they are being used/abused.

At that time maybe a Poll could be run, with possible options having tick boxes, so a proper consensus - at least from those who are moved to take part - could be taken, with one of the options being to return to the original single option.

Right, I’m off to the kitchen to have a nice hot cuppa:
(https://www.twinings.co.uk/app_/responsive/TwiningsUKI/media/product/OBC0815/Options-Belgian-Choc-Cannister.png?w=950)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Buffin on December 31, 2018, 11:07:31 AM
Quote
There is nothing much worse (forum wise) to see a thread you are interested in has grown, and then find its just six people copying the whole post just to add "great work mate" as their sole addition, oh and maybe a few smilies  thrown in for extra effect  :(

I would just have Agreed with this, but the Agree option had disappeared. How Disagreeable!  :)

FWIW I would let the new options run for a couple of weeks. Some will get used and I'm sure some won't. Then decide. Meanwhile, I'd find it Agreeable if Agree reappeared.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2018, 11:18:17 AM
I am reading your replies, and have cut some of the icons out that I have seen aren't popular.

I do wish some members were more willing to give things a go, rather than out rightly not liking change.  If I went along with not changing anything from when the forum started then I'm quite sure that the forum wouldn't be as popular as it is now.

I shall make the icons static over the next day or so, as I was trying to make some of the icons more familiar to the smilies we already use, but I can now see that they are distracting.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Innovationgame on December 31, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
I would have thought that, if members want to say more than "Thankyou", the best option is to post a reply.  If you're quoting, delete all the parts of the post in the quote that are irrelevent to the reply.  In particular, re-posting photos and videos is rather pointless, unless for a specific purpose.  My main complaint at the moment is that, with the Thankyou moved from the top of the post, I have to scroll all the way to the bottom simply to find out if I have already said Thankyou, whereas before, I could see that the Thankyou button had disappeared at the top of the post.  Also, we are not getting notifications of Thankyous any more.  However, I think Tank is right to experiment and try to get a spectrum of opinion on his suggestions and changes.  Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Madann01 on December 31, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
I think the contentious issue from my point of view is the use of the negative emojis the word dislike smacks of someone who is offended by a post or has an agender, why would someone want to  dislike a post?  Disagreeing is a different matter and should be used with a comment as to why you disagree, thus opening up debate,
  Surly you are looking to encourage full engagement in the forum and positive feedback will encourage this, nothing could be more discouraging than recieving a 'dislike,' for a post especially if 'postie' is unaware of where he may have got it wrong,
  The Stalwarts of the forum may be able to shrug off any negative feedback,but pease encourage! those who perhaps are not as versed in the ways of model railwaying or the etiquette of using a forum.
 
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: MinZaPint on December 31, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
Back in September 2013 all I wanted was A like button!
I frequently find that when I'm having a quick browse and haven't time to post a reply, that a like button in recognition of someone's modelling skills or financial dexterity in acquiring models would be very useful. the "Thank you" is fine when receiving help and replies to questions. Just my an idea.

David

Lets see how it goes and then just have the most popular options but not too many  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: maridunian on December 31, 2018, 12:44:01 PM
I think the contentious issue from my point of view is the use of the negative emojis the word dislike smacks of someone who is offended by a post or has an agender, why would someone want to  dislike a post?  Disagreeing is a different matter and should be used with a comment as to why you disagree, thus opening up debate,
  Surly you are looking to encourage full engagement in the forum and positive feedback will encourage this, nothing could be more discouraging than recieving a 'dislike,' for a post especially if 'postie' is unaware of where he may have got it wrong,
  The Stalwarts of the forum may be able to shrug off any negative feedback,but pease encourage! those who perhaps are not as versed in the ways of model railwaying or the etiquette of using a forum.

I agree with these points completely. I was pleased to discover the enhancements to the "Thank You" button this morning, but only the 'positive' ones! I do find positive comments and 'Thank yous' motivating; 'no comment' is neutral in effect but a negative emoticon, especially without any supporting argument, would probably lead me to block the poster. I suppose it's an extension of "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all". Maybe I'm too touchy, but for me this isn't a social/banter site - it's all about our models, which are obviously close to our hearts.

Mike
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on December 31, 2018, 08:44:00 PM
I believe the more options for interaction that are available for one to choose from, the more people will interact.

If I were very introvert, shy, embarrassed by my language and/or grammar skills, pressed for time, etc. then I might not be able/willing to post a reply. Whereas I might be able/willing to click an emoji. The internet has the power to breakdown barriers between peoples, reduce exclusivity, and increase inclusivity. If we let it!

I believe these extra emojis have made this forum more inclusive. :beers:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2018, 08:55:52 PM
Update - The current version will not work with our alerts system, so I've had to purchase another which will be installed soon.  I will then take into account what has already been said and we can trial it again.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Yet_Another on January 01, 2019, 01:49:08 AM
I believe the more options for interaction that are available for one to choose from, the more people will interact.
I believe the opposite: the more choices there are, the less people make them.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Innovationgame on January 01, 2019, 08:45:53 AM
Whenever I read a long post, particularly with photos, I always say thankyou for the information and the effort that has gone into it.  Under the old system, when I entered a thread, if I could see the Thankyou button had disappeared, I knew I didn't have to read the post again.  But with the new system, there is no way of knowing and, because I follow many threads, it is often easy to forget which posts I have read (put it down to my age!).  Now, when I say thankyou (or give one of the other reponses) the choice disappears and a message appears to eneble me to cancel my response.  However, when I return to the thread from another, that message disappears and I am faced with the original choice again.  The only way to tell whether I have said thankyou (or made some other response) is to click the view link.  So, although I applaud the idea of improving the forum, the changes seem to have made using it more difficult.  Up to the present time, I have found this to be by far the easiest forum to use.  I hope that continues long into the future.  Would it be possible to include an icon at the top of each post to indicate that I have already responded?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 01, 2019, 09:25:45 AM
View all latest threads and click on the orange ‘new’ button not the thread title. It’ll take you to the first unread post.

I would say it’s better having the ‘reactions’ at the bottom, is it that much of a hardship if you start reading a post and realise you’ve already read it?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on January 01, 2019, 09:35:48 AM
I'm seriously starting to think leave well alone.

"Thank you" to the bottom, though. Having to scroll back up to hit thank you was a real pain.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: JasonBz on January 01, 2019, 09:54:52 AM
One thing overlooked (as I have found out myself) is that that buttons allow one to "comment" on old posts, without havin to drag them out of the past.
It does make the site feel more inclusive for those of us that only look in here every now and then :)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: joe cassidy on January 01, 2019, 11:57:12 AM
I'm finding that whereas in the past I was a bit stingy with "Thank Yous", with the other options I am now giving more feedback on the posts I read.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on January 01, 2019, 01:14:39 PM
 :hmmm:

This is the 57th post on this thread. I'm one of 26 members contributing those 57 posts.

To this point there have been 60 Thank You emojis submitted. At the same point, there have been 111 other emojis submitted.

Read what you want in to these stats. I read that there are a few members (myself including) who are willing to 'voice' their opinions through a post, and a lot of members who have found a new voice in the new emojis.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Madann01 on January 01, 2019, 02:53:43 PM
I am sure that all can see that the new emojis will benefit participation in the forum, and the usefulness in avoiding the clutter  But  only if used in a positive way and not to cast a doubt in the less active members minds weather or not to express an opinion for fear of recieving a dislike or a  disagreement by a non committal reply, or by turning  it into a vote. Personall  I will not use the negitive emojis without backing it up with a comment on why.i disagree or dislike a post and I'm sure many other members will do the same.
 Having said this I cannot see me using the disagree or dislike buttons as I do not have the knowledge or experience to do so unless it's on a subject (Other than model railways) on which I am confident  that I know something about.
 Being a fairly new member I cannot comment on previous systems but can only state  what I feel about the new system this is not to say I won't use it but I will be very careful in what I post or reply to. :
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Innovationgame on January 01, 2019, 03:27:39 PM
Until I read the word in this thread, I had never heard the word Emoji.  Now I find it comes from the Japanese, from e ‘picture’ + moji ‘letter, character’.  Of course, I have used smileys and what I now know as emojis for years, but I was never aware of the term.  In the present context, they are not really emojis, but links to actions that registers against the post.  However, I guess the word suffices to describe the action.  But I still find the forum slightly less easy to use than it was before.  I tried the 'Show unread posts since last visit.' link, but that gives me a list of scores of posts, most of which are of no interest to me.  So I guess I shall just have to trundle on.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 01, 2019, 04:06:44 PM
Indeed sadly, apologies we obviously consume the forum in different ways, I’ve never ‘watched’ specific threads, just see them if they come up.

I must say I agree with the majority that having the icons at the bottom of the post is better, even if it results in reading a post more than once!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PLD on January 01, 2019, 04:12:58 PM
But I still find the forum slightly less easy to use than it was before.  I tried the 'Show unread posts since last visit.' link, but that gives me a list of scores of posts, most of which are of no interest to me.
Where's that 'Don't Understand  ???' rating when you need it...

That functions exactly as it's always done and is unrelated to the feedback options so I don't understand how changing the ratings system has in any way made the forum "slightly less easy to use than it was before"...
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Madann01 on January 01, 2019, 04:39:48 PM
Excuse my ignorance in reference to the word emojis to describe the icons at the end of the post :doh: I think I have been spending too much time testing my kids on the phone :goggleeyes: Am I right in understanding that what we use in a post is an emoji being a descriptive picture? And the same character being called an icon if it is to perform an action. :confused2:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 01, 2019, 05:19:06 PM
But I still find the forum slightly less easy to use than it was before.  I tried the 'Show unread posts since last visit.' link, but that gives me a list of scores of posts, most of which are of no interest to me.
Where's that 'Don't Understand  ???' rating when you need it...

That functions exactly as it's always done and is unrelated to the feedback options so I don't understand how changing the ratings system has in any way made the forum "slightly less easy to use than it was before"...

Because, as Laurence said, he used the presence of the thank you button at the top of the post as an aide memoir  to whether he’d read the post or not. The degradation now being that he has to start reading before knowing if he’s read it or not. For me that’s a hugely tenuous use though! 
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PLD on January 01, 2019, 06:42:21 PM
Because, as Laurence said, he used the presence of the thank you button at the top of the post as an aide memoir  to whether he’d read the post or not. The degradation now being that he has to start reading before knowing if he’s read it or not. For me that’s a hugely tenuous use though!
So...
He used to Click on the Thank you Button on the last post in the thread or every post in the thread (regardless of whether he agreed with it) so he had a marker of posts read???  :headbutt:

That means that any thank you given by him is totally meaningless and potentially unmerited... - all the more reason for changing the system then...
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 01, 2019, 07:13:35 PM
I must profess I don’t quite understand it.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: dannyboy on January 01, 2019, 08:18:51 PM
Anybody else missing the new icons/emojis at the bottom of posts? Also, and I do not know if this is connected, the forum is being extremely slow this evening.  ???
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: port perran on January 01, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Anybody else missing the new icons/emojis at the bottom of posts? Also, and I do not know if this is connected, the forum is being extremely slow this evening.  ???
No icons here and also very slow.
I suggest that some forum modifications are underway.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 01, 2019, 08:23:37 PM
Anybody else missing the new icons/emojis at the bottom of posts? Also, and I do not know if this is connected, the forum is being extremely slow this evening.  ???

Maybe someone clicked the "remove Emoji" emoji :angel:

Seriously, given the current speed of the forum someone is working on it at the moment so I expect they will reappear, hopefully thinned and better spaced so they can be used on mobile device screens.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 01, 2019, 08:26:33 PM
Snowwolflair, your prize is in the post! :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Yet_Another on January 01, 2019, 10:41:30 PM
Even though 'spending less time on forums' is not one of my resolutions, I sense that I will be spending less time here. Because yes, change is bad: but bad change is worse.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 01, 2019, 11:15:58 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/2-010119231552.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72832)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: JasonBz on January 01, 2019, 11:51:37 PM
"Like"
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: railsquid on January 02, 2019, 12:30:05 AM
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 12:41:09 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/2-010119231552.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72832)

@Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)  i have never thought of you as a drama queen, but if you know better who am I to disagree  :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 02, 2019, 12:41:40 AM
 :toot: :stop: :phone: :wonderfulmodelling: :laugh2: :slap: :smackedface: :admiration: :whisper: :help: :-\ :'(


Aaaaaaaaaaargh!

I don't understand!!!!!!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 12:43:19 AM
Thought I’d join in Snowwolflair!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 12:45:14 AM
Thought I’d join in Snowwolflair!  :smiley-laughing:

the more the merrier as my old granny used to say  :laugh3:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: NinOz on January 02, 2019, 06:21:33 AM
Reading this thread is like watching "One Foot in the Grave". :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: railsquid on January 02, 2019, 06:29:27 AM
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Innovationgame on January 02, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
Some members seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick regarding my use of the Thankyou button. This is probably because I have not explained myself very well, so here goes at trying to explain myself.

Whenever I read a post which is well written, long (i.e. requiring a lot of effort), informative or well-illustrated, I used the Thankyou button to express my approval and, often, would add a reply as well.  However, when time is pressing, I sometimes skip the reply that I would have liked to post, so the Thankyou remains my only input.  However, when I read a post which is short and uninformative, trite, trivial or even adversarial, then, naturally, I do not give thanks.

Normally, I confine myself to the Layout Construction board, which I visit several times a day.  Whenever I visit it, particularly first thing in the morning, there are usually several threads which indicate new posts (sometimes a dozen or more) so I open them one at a time and look for posts that I haven’t read, sometimes rereading others to maintain clarity of thought.  Clearly, if the Thankyou button was not there, it meant that, I had not only read it, but also said Thankyou.  This helped when processing several dozen posts in a single session.  Because I always display the newest post at the top, it meant I could scan down until I came across a post with no Thankyou button and then start reading the posts above it.  Many of the posts that I had already read still had the Thankyou button showing because I had assessed them as not requiring a Thankyou. 

Under the revised format (which I see has now been removed), once a Thankyou had been given, all the icons disappeared and a message replaced them asking if I wanted to rescind my response.  That was fine but, once I had left the thread, when I returned to it, the icons all reappeared, so there was no way of telling whether I had given a Thankyou (or any other response) other than to click on the ‘View All’ link.  Given the relatively large amount of reading that I do in a single session, this is less satisfactory than the original situation. 

Clearly, experimenting with new ideas about the format of posts is a good thing, but we, as members of the forum, should all try to look at the situation objectively and try to be constructive in our comments in the hope that eventually a consensus can be achieved.  Whether the resulting consensus can be put into practise is, of course, another thing entirely.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on January 02, 2019, 09:11:51 AM
I can see what you are saying, but I prefer the thank you button at the bottom of the post I've just read, so I don't have to scroll back to the top to say thanks.

I suggested this to the mods a while ago, and was told by Tank there was an overhaul coming.

We are getting it now, and it is a work in progress.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Innovationgame on January 02, 2019, 09:39:34 AM
That's absolutely fine.  It would be nice though, if there were an indication, preferably at the top from my point of view, but anywhere really, to say that I had already given thanks (or some other form of response).  I think the issue for me is that the indication disappears once you exit the thread.  It would also be nice if other's reponses to your posts were indicated by the notification icon at the top of the board, as they were before, although I see that it still notifies about quotes.  I just hope we're not overloading Tank with too many suggestions.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PLD on January 02, 2019, 10:09:54 AM
Some members seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick regarding my use of the Thankyou button. This is probably because I have not explained myself very well, so here goes at trying to explain myself.

Whenever I read a post which is well written, long (i.e. requiring a lot of effort), informative or well-illustrated, I used the Thankyou button to express my approval and, often, would add a reply as well.  However, when time is pressing, I sometimes skip the reply that I would have liked to post, so the Thankyou remains my only input.  However, when I read a post which is short and uninformative, trite, trivial or even adversarial, then, naturally, I do not give thanks.

Normally, I confine myself to the Layout Construction board, which I visit several times a day.  Whenever I visit it, particularly first thing in the morning, there are usually several threads which indicate new posts (sometimes a dozen or more) so I open them one at a time and look for posts that I haven’t read, sometimes rereading others to maintain clarity of thought.  Clearly, if the Thankyou button was not there, it meant that, I had not only read it, but also said Thankyou.  This helped when processing several dozen posts in a single session.  Because I always display the newest post at the top, it meant I could scan down until I came across a post with no Thankyou button and then start reading the posts above it.  Many of the posts that I had already read still had the Thankyou button showing because I had assessed them as not requiring a Thankyou. 

Under the revised format (which I see has now been removed), once a Thankyou had been given, all the icons disappeared and a message replaced them asking if I wanted to rescind my response.  That was fine but, once I had left the thread, when I returned to it, the icons all reappeared, so there was no way of telling whether I had given a Thankyou (or any other response) other than to click on the ‘View All’ link.  Given the relatively large amount of reading that I do in a single session, this is less satisfactory than the original situation. 

Clearly, experimenting with new ideas about the format of posts is a good thing, but we, as members of the forum, should all try to look at the situation objectively and try to be constructive in our comments in the hope that eventually a consensus can be achieved.  Whether the resulting consensus can be put into practise is, of course, another thing entirely.
If I understand correctly, your objective is to identify posts you have previously read so that you can locate new posts added since you last looked at the thread?
If that is the case, if you click on the orange 'NEW' flag instead of the thread title, it will take you directly to the earliest post in the thread that you haven't previously read and you can then continue from that point forwards in time. No need for you to (mis)use any other function as a marker, the system does it for you...
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 11:01:39 AM
Anybody else missing the new icons/emojis at the bottom of posts? Also, and I do not know if this is connected, the forum is being extremely slow this evening.  ???

Mine have disappeared too - and just when I was getting used to and starting to enjoy them.  :( What have I done????
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on January 02, 2019, 11:04:28 AM
Standby for a flood of posts declaring the "end is nigh" now that the ratings are on the LEFT! :whistle:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 11:07:31 AM
They sort of work on an iPhone.

But where is the icon for drama queen @tank you promised :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 11:07:48 AM
Standby for a flood of posts declaring the "end is nigh" now that the ratings are on the LEFT! :whistle:

Maybe, but I can't click them for some reason... Are those the four horsemen I can see over there???  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
Standby for a flood of posts declaring the "end is nigh" now that the ratings are on the LEFT! :whistle:

Maybe, but I can't click them for some reason... Are those the four horsemen I can see over there???  :smiley-laughing:

No either Santa's reindeer on the :censored: (changed by forum) or some pantomime nags.

Seems to work here and you can make multiple feedback so i can even contradict myself - wonderful  :doh:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 02, 2019, 11:19:53 AM
Not bothered about the positioning but I don't like the ½ dozen ones we have so hope it's just an experiment
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 11:23:17 AM
Just making sure it works.  I'll sort out pictures and buttons later.  I'll get moaned at for spending too long on the PC soon! :worried: :)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
No either Santa's reindeer on the :censored: or some pantomime nags.

Seems to work here and you can make multiple feedback so i can even contradict myself - wonderful  :doh:

Nope, I can't click them - I feel like I'm missing out in being able to contradict myself now!  :( :( ;)

They do seem to look more like horsemen than reindeer or pantomime nags... and they seem to be getting closer...  :uneasy: :uneasy: :uneasy:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 11:31:17 AM
No either Santa's reindeer on the :censored: or some pantomime nags.

Seems to work here and you can make multiple feedback so i can even contradict myself - wonderful  :doh:

Nope, I can't click them - I feel like I'm missing out in being able to contradict myself now!  :( :( ;)

They do seem to look more like horsemen than reindeer or pantomime nags... and they seem to be getting closer...  :uneasy: :uneasy: :uneasy:

Its OK on Chrome on my PC and my iphone.  Try shutting down your browser and restarting it.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 02, 2019, 11:32:25 AM
Not bothered about the positioning but I don't like the ½ dozen ones we have so hope it's just an experiment

Oh No! Now this has been rated 7 times, and many of them from Snowwolflair :doh:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 02, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
Not bothered about the positioning but I don't like the ½ dozen ones we have so hope it's just an experiment

Oh No! Now this has been rated 7 times, and many of them from Snowwolflair :doh:

Every time i read it I reacted differently  :D >:D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 02, 2019, 11:38:41 AM
Not bothered about the positioning but I don't like the ½ dozen ones we have so hope it's just an experiment

Oh No! Now this has been rated 7 times, and many of them from Snowwolflair :doh:

Every time i read it I reacted differently  :D >:D

I've noticed you've used a different one each time ;)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on January 02, 2019, 11:47:12 AM
Perhaps a poll?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 11:49:14 AM
Yay! Working on my phone at least! I feel included now...  :heart2:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 11:52:46 AM
Nope, I can't click them....

I was setting up the permissions still.  You lot are soooooo impatient!   ::) :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Stevie DC on January 02, 2019, 12:07:23 PM
Nope, I can't click them....

I was setting up the permissions still.  You lot are soooooo impatient!   ::) :D

Faster! Faster!  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 02, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
I came in a few minutes ago and found the place cluttered up with "notifications" went into my settings and disabled everything except private messages so don't bother clicking thanks or likes to any of my posts I won't see them.

I couldn't give a monkeys about people liking or whatever in my posts, I've got better things to do with my time, if I wanted that sort of interaction I'd join farcebook or other "soshul meejah"
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
Thanks for your positivity. 

Folks, if you don't want notifications then just go to your profile/account settings and change them.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 02, 2019, 12:59:54 PM
On a couple of other forums I'm on that do likes/thanks they appear as "joebloggs likes this" in small print in a pale colour at the bottom of a post, quite unobtrusive
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 02, 2019, 01:09:37 PM
I’m a bit concerned about my Rates. :hmmm:

I’m sure I received notification they had been replaced by Council Tax. :D


Please note: I like the new positioning and number of the icons/emojis/buttons/thingamajigs and the fact they are greyed out until clicked upon. As to whether I will monitor or find useful the list of ‘Rates’ so produced for any post is yet to be seen. This is because I predict that copious abuse of these will now continue until the novelty wears off, before we can all get back to normal and such ‘Rates’ begin to have some proper meaning.
(Please write your definitions of ‘normal’ on a postcard and send it to your nearest Waste Recycling Centre).

Test edit at 15:30.

Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 02, 2019, 01:50:54 PM
I was confused before...

...then I became mystified...

...Now I'm just bewildered!

Soooo, now we haven't got a "Thank you" button at all?

 ???
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: dannyboy on January 02, 2019, 02:05:03 PM
The 'Thank you' button is now combined with the 'Thumbs up' button.  ;)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 02, 2019, 02:06:36 PM
What are the numbers? The “x2” or whatever makes sense,  but what’s the “10 post total” or whatever which is in green?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 02, 2019, 02:09:01 PM
The 'Thank you' button is now combined with the 'Thumbs up' button.  ;)

But what if I neither like it or dislike it and just want to say thank you for taking the time to post?

Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 02, 2019, 02:14:26 PM
They were separate, a majority wished to combine them. This experience is showing wonderfully how you’ll never please everyone!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on January 02, 2019, 02:41:33 PM
They were separate, a majority wished to combine them. This experience is showing wonderfully how you’ll never please everyone!

Was it a true majority, or a vocal minority? :whistle:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on January 02, 2019, 02:53:25 PM
They were separate, a majority wished to combine them. This experience is showing wonderfully how you’ll never please everyone!

Was it a true majority, or a vocal minority? :whistle:

In fairness, the only feedback that can be enacted upon is feedback given.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 02, 2019, 03:11:50 PM
To be honest, simple is great. It was great just being able to say thank you. I'm not going to stop using the forum because of the emotidoodliethings, but if that's the system that's going to be in place I'll probably just not use them at all.

It all seems needlessly complicated and unnecessary, but it may be that is what we have to have with the new upgrades. I don't know the 'nuts and bolts' going on behind the scenes, I'm sure Tank is doing his best.

Those that want to use them can, those that don't, well, we can just not use them or reply with a quick thanks.

Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: DCCDave on January 02, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
I think, since this update, the fact that a post has been edited, and the reason for that edit, no longer appear.

Is that so, or does it just hide my own edits from me and everyone else sees them?

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 02, 2019, 03:33:14 PM
I think, since this update, the fact that a post has been edited, and the reason for that edit, no longer appear.

Is that so, or does it just hide my own edits from me and everyone else sees them?

Cheers
Dave

Hi Dave, just edited my post #102 here and all appears as normal.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: DCCDave on January 02, 2019, 03:35:35 PM
Hi Dave, just edited my post #102 here and all appears as normal.

Thanks I see it too. Do you see my edit on post 111? I don't.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 02, 2019, 03:37:49 PM
No Dave, no edit showing on your post.

Very strange. :hmmm:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 03:40:43 PM
Perhaps it doesn't show as you did it quickly after posting and nobody else viewed it before that?

After a minute the text is normally mandatory whether someone has seen or not.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: DCCDave on January 02, 2019, 03:42:34 PM
No Dave, no edit showing on your post.

Very strange. :hmmm:

Oops a senior moment, that wasn't the post I edited  :(

How about this one (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38690.msg546709#msg546709)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: DCCDave on January 02, 2019, 03:43:59 PM
Perhaps it doesn't show as you did it quickly after posting and nobody else viewed it before that?

After a minute the text is normally mandatory whether someone has seen or not.

Thanks Tank, that's probably it, I always spot my spelling mistakes just after hitting the Post button :)

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 02, 2019, 03:48:31 PM
That's worked Dave.   ;D  Phew!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 02, 2019, 03:49:06 PM
Like you Dave I am quick to correct me spellun, and yes, a quick change shows no edit done.
No edit of the post on the other thread shows. Try one again now and if it shows, all is well. :beers:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: maridunian on January 03, 2019, 10:37:11 AM
Thanks for all the work that's gone into this. The icons are now clearer and better spaced. Personally, I'd ditch "Dislike" but add "Disagree" to the list.

Mike
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 03, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
Thanks Mike.  :)  All a work in progress, so we'll see if new icons should be added, adjusted or removed.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 03, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
"Help required" is an interesting one as it's one which you'd generally want to assign to your own posts. As a rating for others it strikes me as being akin to RMWeb's unclear/undecipherable as Claude Dreyfus talked about, which was used principally toward members who perhaps weren't all that good at written English.

Generally liking it though - definitely an improvement, well done.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 03, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
The only time I've ever used a thumbs up was to greet fellow bikers out on the road. I don't like it as a substitute for a Thank You :sorrysign:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: dannyboy on January 03, 2019, 12:23:24 PM
I agree with Mick in that 'Thumbs Up' and 'Thank You' should be separate. I also feel that having a 'Disagree' or 'Dislike' is a bit pointless without a post explaining why. I also feel that 'Help Required' is of no use without explaining just what help is required. But, as has been said, "You can please some of the people some of the time ........". Just my 2 pennorth.  ;). Having said all that, thank you @Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) for the work done.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: dannyboy on January 03, 2019, 12:41:46 PM
So far, two responses to my post. 1 x 'Like', which is self-explanatory, and 1 x 'Dislike'. So, is it the whole post that @nookfield (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7153) dislikes or just one bit? And if that is the case - which bit? In my view, that proves that the 'Dislike' button is not much cop on its own.  :)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 03, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
Hi

I think there is something wrong with the total rating. In this thread there are two posts where one has been rated twice but the total shows four (reply 123) and the other has been rated twice but the total shows one (reply 124).

I have also seen this in other threads.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 03, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
I still think we  still need the   :thankyousign: and excuse my ignorance but what are the two at the end for I presume the light build is to represent an idea but the pink one I have no idea . Other than that  I will be using the thumbs up or down  and I would use the   :thankyousign: and maybe a thing for asking for help would be a good one .But this is just my opinion and will be happy to go along with the majority thoughts .
Tank has just explained to me what ( bots ) are I am not very good on all this modern technology  apparently that’s what is causing a lot of the problems with the speed  of the Forum at the moment .
But he said it is work in progress so  :thankyousign: to everyone working hard in the background the usually unsung heroes  ,but at least sometimes they do get a mention  my son was on tele this morning with James Heskell to talk about their new book and how to give athletes ,footballers rowers and rugby players the fitness and stamina to be the best at their sport so proud of him I’m sorry I added this into my post but the background workers very rarely get a mention and without them we wouldn’t have a Great Forum ,a Winning Rowing team and
,nearly won the World Cup and so on .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: dannyboy on January 03, 2019, 01:03:38 PM
Saw that piece @Bob Tidbury (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442) . Your son came across well and certainly seems to know what he is talking about.  :thumbsup: (Off topic I know, but that is your fault Bob!  ;)).
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Papyrus on January 03, 2019, 01:07:24 PM
My brain hurts!

Been doing several days turbo-grandparenting and finally sign in again to find there's been a revolution, followed by a revolt!!

Joking aside, I appreciate what Tank is trying to do and all the work he is putting in. However, I agree with all those who, er, dislike a 'dislike' or 'disagree' button. If you disagree with something, I think this requires you to say why, not just hit an emoji. I think Dannyboy has it spot-on in his post #124. From personal experience, my wife is a musician who does occasional gigs and I have posted videos of some of them on Youtube. She gets some likes, but also some dislikes, which is disheartening. Why would you do that? Either say why you don't like it so that the musicians can learn from it, or just don't watch it if it's not your thing. Same applies here, I think. 'Thank you' and 'Thumbs up' are great shorthand when you appreciate what someone has written but don't feel the need to comment, but I probably won't bother with the rest.

Right, let's get back to trains!

Cheers,

Chris

PS. Just read Bob Tidbury's post. Agree with that too!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 03, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
I’ve also noticed that it’s possible to put two (or more?) ratings on a single post. For instance, a thumbs up, and a tick. I also sometimes get notification of two ratings (the same things in each) from the same person, sometimes timed the same, sometimes slightly time differentiated.

And to add to the debate (why not, some seem to have more views than most and I’m just looking for balance), I disagree about the similarity between dislike and disagree, and like and agree. They can be quite different. But then in such a case where I wished to make myself clear I would make comment and start an argument discussion. Or more likely just keep silent cos life’s too short to worry about so many things.

Ratings are surely only a rough guide to a wider memberships views and/or involvement, and should never be taken either too seriously, or be challenged in any way by others. Freedom of expression, either by words and sentences or by clicking on an iconythingamywotsit, or by saying/writing nothing, is an inalienable right of us all.

We can have more buttons/icons, or less, or change their meaning, or whatever, but as things stand I think they are about right (though the return of a straight forward ThankYou would also be nice). And if the icon choices fail to express what someone wants to say about a post, then they have the right to make a fuller response.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 03, 2019, 01:28:42 PM
The only time I've ever used a thumbs up was to greet fellow bikers out on the road. I don't like it as a substitute for a Thank You :sorrysign:

Thank you!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: nookfield on January 03, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
So far, two responses to my post. 1 x 'Like', which is self-explanatory, and 1 x 'Dislike'. So, is it the whole post that @nookfield (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7153) dislikes or just one bit? And if that is the case - which bit? In my view, that proves that the 'Dislike' button is not much cop on its own.  :)

Only part of your thread. Personally I think a Disagree option is useful, but not dislike as I didn't dislike your post (there was nothing to dislike as it was just your opinion) I just didn't agree with all of it.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 03, 2019, 01:37:49 PM
I still think we  still need the   :thankyousign: and excuse my ignorance but what are the two at the end for I presume the light build is to

"Brilliant" and "Best Solution" apparently
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: nookfield on January 03, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
Personally I didn't see what was wrong with the old system of just having a 'Thank You' button. It was unambiguous it what it meant.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 03, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Sort of, it was a catch all for "I acknowledge this post". See previous points about people hating change and an ability to please everyone!
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 03, 2019, 01:54:17 PM
Dannyboy Yes I’m sorry I realise I was of topic but I do get so angry when the poor people who work in the background don’t really get any thanks for their efforts ,we have had members on here complaining about the speed of the Forum and as I’ve said when Tank told us that he was changing to a new server it’s NOT JUST FLICKING A SWITCH OR PRESSING A BUTTON on a control panel I don’t know anything about that sort of work but I do know there is a lot of mental work is involved .
It is the same with my son allthough Gareth Southgate did actually say Thankyou to all the backroom staff and there are quite a few, he couldn’t mention names due to various contracts etc .
But anyway  :thankyousign: again to all those working on the Forum and  :sorrysign: I have gone slightly of topic .I do apologise .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 03, 2019, 02:05:11 PM
 :thankyousign: njee20  That does make a bit of sense ,
I still think the  :thankyousign: is needed and the thumbs up or down and a help needed please  icon or whatever these things are called would be helpful especialy for those new to the hobby .
I think those are the main ones I personaly would use .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: njee20 on January 03, 2019, 03:50:41 PM
Ooo, we get notifications in the tab header as well as the 'in site' ones too. Reet posh those.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Webbo on January 04, 2019, 01:13:20 AM
I have just finished having a look at the thread "Are we over the Golden Age of N Gauge?" and noticed that here was a dislike x1 at the end of Train Waiting's post. Being a sticky beak and without thinking that things are different from the simple Thank You rating tally, I clicked on the icon to find out who gave the negative rating. To my horror, the system added a dislike rating from me as well which is what it is supposed to do, but certainly not what I wanted. I clicked it again for some unknown reason and my dislike rating was undone.

I don't know if this facility for undoing a rating has already been described in this thread, but if not, it is a useful thing to know for those who are prone to act before thinking like I did.

Webbo
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on January 04, 2019, 07:36:28 AM
Fat finger syndrome...
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on January 04, 2019, 07:41:42 AM
I've always checked the thank you at the bottom of my post just to see who thanked me!

Must admit I'm having trouble with the new system.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Train Waiting on January 04, 2019, 08:42:29 AM
Very many thanks, Webbo.

In my 'Alerts' I have two from you - one disliking and, a few seconds later, one liking the post you mention.

To see who has rated a post, please try clicking on the 'List of Rates' part at the right-hand side of the various 'rating 'icons.  I have found that this works with my own posts and other members' posts as well.  If you wish to experiment with this, please feel free to use one of my posts.

[George, @Bealman (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255)  this might help you to see who has thanked you, please try clicking on the 'List of Rates' at the end of the relevant post.]

I'm a total twit with computers and discovered this by accident!

With regard to the dislike icon, there could be a benefit here.  I have accidentally caused a fellow member to dislike one of my posts which is embarrassing, but I know about it.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Webbo on January 04, 2019, 09:24:35 AM
Thanks for your reply, John

Yes, I do understand that the List of Rates is where one should look to see who has posted what. My ham fisted response to the buttons has resulted in a bit of a mess that I thought I had got away with, but the system outsmarted me. The bottom line is that I thought your post was just fine though it was not a topic that I knew anything about. Sorry for the confusion.

Best wishes
Webbo
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: port perran on January 04, 2019, 09:30:08 AM
Am I being stupid here or have I missed something?
Probably both!
How do I now tell who has liked (or given thumbs up etc) for a reply ?
It’s probably obvious but I can’t seem to find it.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Train Waiting on January 04, 2019, 09:37:22 AM
Martin

Once a member has rated a post, I think the 'List of Rates' part of the 'Ratings Bar' becomes active.  Please try clicking on that.  I liked your post, so, hopefully, you will see that I have.

Apologies for my efforts at computer terminology - 'Ratings Bar' sounds like something from Portsmouth!

John
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: swisstrains on January 04, 2019, 10:00:41 AM
I’m sure that a lot of hard work has gone into creating this ratings system but ultimately I think it will turn out to be more trouble that it is worth.
If you have an opinion about a post that goes beyond saying “Thank-you” then voice that opinion and don’t just press a button. Isn’t discussion what a forum is supposed to be all about?
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: nookfield on January 04, 2019, 10:13:45 AM
Can someone please tell me what the "Post Total" value is on the ratings bar.
I had thought it was just the total number ratings but this doesn't appear to be the case.

As can been seen in the attached screen print a total of 6 ratings have been made but the total shows 9.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7153-040119101223.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72876)

This screen shot was taken from the post immediately above this one
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 04, 2019, 10:16:17 AM
I’m sure that a lot of hard work has gone into creating this ratings system but ultimately I think it will turn out to be more trouble that it is worth.
If you have an opinion about a post that goes beyond saying “Thank-you” then voice that opinion and don’t just press a button. Isn’t discussion what a forum is supposed to be all about?
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.

I totally agree.

Thank you.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 04, 2019, 10:25:54 AM
Can someone please tell me what the "Post Total" value is on the ratings bar.
I had thought it was just the total number ratings but this doesn't appear to be the case.

As can been seen in the attached screen print a total of 6 ratings have been made but the total shows 9.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7153-040119101223.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72876)

This screen shot was taken from the post immediately above this one

Hi

I raised this issue in post 126

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Madann01 on January 04, 2019, 10:27:59 AM
This is turning into a 'BREXIT' type discussion (There I've mentioned the word :doh: ) perhaps we should rename the board 'RATEIT' :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: nookfield on January 04, 2019, 10:42:35 AM
Can someone please tell me what the "Post Total" value is on the ratings bar.
I had thought it was just the total number ratings but this doesn't appear to be the case.

As can been seen in the attached screen print a total of 6 ratings have been made but the total shows 9.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/7153-040119101223.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72876)

This screen shot was taken from the post immediately above this one

Hi

I raised this issue in post 126

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul,

Sorry I've probably just sent you a lot of notifications.

Clicking on different ratings gives different totals.

Like/thank You +1
Dislike -1
Funny +2
Sad 0
Love It +1
Help 0
Agree +2
Best Solution +10
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 04, 2019, 11:11:44 AM
I imagine that I'll take the values away, as they're not needed on this forum.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Steven B on January 04, 2019, 11:24:11 AM
If you have an opinion about a post that goes beyond saying “Thank-you” then voice that opinion and don’t just press a button. Isn’t discussion what a forum is supposed to be all about?

Depends what you want to say. For a "Me too" or "I agree that's the best solution" then a simple agree/thumbs up makes for a much cleaner read than lots of one line posts.

I don't think the dislike options should be there. It leaves more questions than answers. If there's something wrong in a post that you disagree with (e.g. incorrect date for the withdrawal of 14xx tank engines) then this should be explained.

@Tank (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2), what options are available?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: RailGooner on January 04, 2019, 11:35:56 AM
..
If you have an opinion about a post that goes beyond saying “Thank-you” then voice that opinion and don’t just press a button.
...

Is that an order? :uneasy: :worried: >:( :veryangry:


..
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.
...

I feel sad reading this. I did click the Sad emoji, but to comply with the above order I'm voicing [sic] that opinion.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 04, 2019, 11:43:28 AM
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.

8/9 years ago I was mocked for starting this forum and was told it wasn't needed as there were other forums out there.  Since then those very people joined this forum.  So, to some there is no need for certain things in life, but to others it enhances what we're doing.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Tank on January 04, 2019, 11:47:11 AM
...what options are available?

Well, I can create anything to be honest. Just need a suitable icon.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 04, 2019, 11:52:34 AM
Oh. I perhaps thought it was just a 'bolt on' accessory to a forum template.

In that case...

... could we please have a icon that represents

 "what's he blithering on about now, surely we're not still on about this?"

Failing that how about scrapping all the kiddy icons that look frighteningly like I've stumbled into FaceAche and replacing them with a "Thank You" button?

I'll bow to the majority verdict. You'll not get rid of me that easily.

 :P
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 04, 2019, 11:58:39 AM
In that case how about an icon of a Orangutan giving the bird (Clive) to respond to disagree icons. On second thoughts better not, it might get over used.  :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: emjaybee on January 04, 2019, 12:25:46 PM
In that case how about an icon of a Orangutan giving the bird (Clive) to respond to disagree icons. On second thoughts better not, it might get over used.  :D

Did you mean Clive?

Or did you mean Clyde?

(As in Every Which Way but Loose)
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 04, 2019, 12:28:51 PM
In that case how about an icon of a Orangutan giving the bird (Clive) to respond to disagree icons. On second thoughts better not, it might get over used.  :D

Did you mean Clive?

Or did you mean Clyde?

(As in Every Which Way but Loose)

Definitely Clyde
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: daffy on January 04, 2019, 02:28:21 PM
This is my final post in this thread, as, unbelievably, it has almost reached it’s twelfth page! :o. Who would have thought a change to a ‘use it or not, as you wish’ feature could cause so much emotion.

Anyway, my wish is for yet another button+thingy. The design is unimportant, but it’s message must be crystal clear: “Enough alreadyl”

 ;)

 :beers:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 04, 2019, 02:31:13 PM
This is my final post in this thread, as, unbelievably, it has almost reached it’s twelfth page! :o. Who would have thought a change to a ‘use it or not, as you wish’ feature could cause so much emotion.

Anyway, my wish is for yet another button+thingy. The design is unimportant, but it’s message must be crystal clear: “Enough alreadyl”

 ;)

 :beers:

 :thumbsup: The Clyde button  :D
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 04, 2019, 02:51:55 PM
In that case how about an icon of a Orangutan giving the bird (Clive) to respond to disagree icons. On second thoughts better not, it might get over used.  :D

@Snowwolflair (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3761)  Why not just use  :-* :moony:

As one who gives a lot of Thank Yous (and receives many) I'd like a 'You're Welcome' emoji but don't know if such a thing exists :dunce:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: swisstrains on January 04, 2019, 08:34:57 PM
..
If you have an opinion about a post that goes beyond saying “Thank-you” then voice that opinion and don’t just press a button.
...

Is that an order? :uneasy: :worried: >:( :veryangry:


..
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.
...

I feel sad reading this. I did click the Sad emoji, but to comply with the above order I'm voicing [sic] that opinion.
Excellent. This is exactly the way you should reply to a post you disagree with. You have obviously been paying attention. Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Lawrence on January 04, 2019, 08:49:10 PM
Any chance this is causing the current slow down?
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: swisstrains on January 04, 2019, 08:55:47 PM
In my opinion this is yet another example of the modern World where something is done because it can be done and not because there is any real need for it.

8/9 years ago I was mocked for starting this forum and was told it wasn't needed as there were other forums out there.  Since then those very people joined this forum.  So, to some there is no need for certain things in life, but to others it enhances what we're doing.

This isn't a fair comparison Tank. I don't think anyone would start up a forum simply because they can but they might add a few buttons.
I'm glad that you ignored the doubters all those years ago and on that occasion were proven right but that's not to say that it will always be the case. Like I said in my original post it's just my opinion.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Newportnobby on January 05, 2019, 01:12:27 PM
Any chance this is causing the current slow down?

@Lawrence (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)
Nah - that's my Christmas lights. Soz
 :laugh:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Lawrence on January 05, 2019, 03:54:11 PM
Any chance this is causing the current slow down?

@Lawrence (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)
Nah - that's my Christmas lights. Soz
 :laugh:

Well take them down then.

Noooo!  :goggleeyes:

Take the lights down
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: port perran on January 06, 2019, 08:49:00 AM
It all seems to have settled down now I think.
Thanks to all involved.
Now......I need to get into the habit of clicking thanks at the end of a post. I keep scrolling back to the top then have to scroll back to the bottom again.
It’ll only take me a few months to train my brain correctly.
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: Bealman on January 06, 2019, 08:54:06 AM
I've been doing that!

And I was a major advocate of putting the thanks at the bottom!  :worried:
Title: Re: New Post Ratings Installed
Post by: weave on January 06, 2019, 09:04:38 AM
Me too  :doh:
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