As a few will be aware, Hornby's Sales and Brand Director, Nat Southworth, provided a Q&A session on RMWeb...
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93322-hornbys-nat-southworth-responds-to-rmweb-members-qa/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93322-hornbys-nat-southworth-responds-to-rmweb-members-qa/)
Most of it, I'm afraid, was corporate-speak (as to be expected I suppose); however one interesting statement was that Hornby will be expanding their N gauge range. What that will be, who knows, but there are a number 00 models in their range I would love to see in N.
Thanks Claude - very interesting :hmmm:
Trouble is - I can now see another list of wishes coming on :doh:
That is good news. I wonder if it will grow into a range or specific one offs? I would love a Duke of Gloucester. ;)
Paddy
Lets hope if they do market them as Hornby products we can buy them through a dealer and not HAVE to do it direct.
That's great news that they're planning more N gauge items. I've been really impressed with my Brighton Belle so far.
I too am impressed with the Belle and would like to see Hornby extend their range.
I also hope that the supply chain management get sorted out. Be nice to have some Locos and stock available to purchase rather than on permanent pre-order....
Does anyone have any idea when Hornby/Arnold propose to or are going to/likely to announce release dates for the various items in their new Arnold N gauge range(apart from The Brighton Belle set which has been announced,or at least in part)?
Also has there been any indication of the proposed prices/£R.R.P. of the various items ?
Many thanks,
Les
I guess we wait until the 17th December when Hornby announce their 2015 plans (apart from the ones they announced at Warley)...
Quote from: RHEINGOLD on December 07, 2014, 03:32:48 PM
Does anyone have any idea when Hornby/Arnold propose to or are going to/likely to announce release dates for the various items in their new Arnold N gauge range(apart from The Brighton Belle set which has been announced,or at least in part)?
Also has there been any indication of the proposed prices/£R.R.P. of the various items ?
Many thanks,
Les
Not sure what you mean by the Briigton Belle being part released IT has been released in full But it would be nice to know what else is planned,
Bob
It will be interesting.
It is difficult to look at the Hornby 00 range and identify much that is not already covered by Farish and Dapol or on DJM's radar.
Some duplicates (A3/A4 for example) if superior to current offerings may find an appeal given Hornby's global reach, then there are things like the Class 395 "Javelin"...
Roy
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on December 07, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: RHEINGOLD on December 07, 2014, 03:32:48 PM
Does anyone have any idea when Hornby/Arnold propose to or are going to/likely to announce release dates for the various items in their new Arnold N gauge range(apart from The Brighton Belle set which has been announced,or at least in part)?
Also has there been any indication of the proposed prices/£R.R.P. of the various items ?
Many thanks,
Les
Not sure what you mean by the Briigton Belle being part released IT has been released in full But it would be nice to know what else is planned,
Bob
Presumably referring to the recent/impending release of the 'OO' 1960s Umber/Cream version of the 'Belle'...
Sorry stupid me,I meant the Hornby/Arnold N gauge range. :doh:
Eh? That's what's being discussed.
The Brighton Belle was released a couple of months back.
Nothing else has been announced, but one assumes all will become clear on the 17th when they announce their 2015 range.
I'd like a 92 if we're playing the 'what can they downsize' game.
Quote from: Roy L S on December 07, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
. . . then there are things like the Class 395 "Javelin"...
Roy
Yes please :)
Maybe one of Eurostar's new Velaros ??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_374 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_374)
Quote from: Pengi on December 07, 2014, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on December 07, 2014, 06:16:21 PM
. . . then there are things like the Class 395 "Javelin"...
Roy
Yes please :)
:thumbsup:
Given that they already do the Pendolino in OO, downsize it to N? Are they watching the progress of the kickstarter to assess demand/ viability?
How about the big GWR tanks they've done? (72xx 61xx) have they been done in N before? Mentioned in another thread - streamlined Coronation? They clearly favour steam locos over diesel/electric so could we see this translated into N?
I'm not certain of their commitment to British N Gauge through Arnold given its Continental association and Hornby's seemingly rapid dropping of their Lyddle End range.
C. :)
My hope for hornby N gauge has to be a tweeked and shrunk version of the 4-vep (with better end gangways and the front bogies moulded the right way round)
Hello all,
I understand an announcements by Hornby/Arnold will coincide with the main Hornby announcements on December 17th, though as others have noted they broke their own embargo in OO and revealed some projects (Adams Radial, Class 71) at Warley.
From a corporate point of view, it seems sensible for Hornby/Arnold to pick items that (a) they have already done research, and are of the generation for which CAD files exist and (b) would supply a demand not yet met.
Certainly the Brighton Belle fits this profile.
As far as I can tell, their "current" generation models diesel/electrics comprise the Class 08, 31, Class 50, 56, 60, HST, 2-HAL, 4-VEP, 2-BIL, Sentinel shunter, Class 395 Javelin EMU, Pendolino.
Suitable steam locomotives for a "big ticket" release might be Duke of Gloucster, P2 or King Arthur Class. There are lots of smaller steam locos but I don't know much about them.
From the lists mentioned, I'd have thought the 50 wouldn't be most likely as all Dapol have shown so far is a CAD, though there is the rather lovely CJM version. Any of the units is fair game, though the Pendolino requires 5 different bodyshells - making it a big gamble and a costly model - which is why we launched our Kickstarter project.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on December 08, 2014, 01:13:56 AM
Hello all,
I understand an announcements by Hornby/Arnold will coincide with the main Hornby announcements on December 17th, though as others have noted they broke their own embargo in OO and revealed some projects (Adams Radial, Class 71) at Warley.
From a corporate point of view, it seems sensible for Hornby/Arnold to pick items that (a) they have already done research, and are of the generation for which CAD files exist and (b) would supply a demand not yet met.
Certainly the Brighton Belle fits this profile.
As far as I can tell, their "current" generation models diesel/electrics comprise the Class 08, 31, Class 50, 56, 60, HST, 2-HAL, 4-VEP, 2-BIL, Sentinel shunter, Class 395 Javelin EMU, Pendolino.
Suitable steam locomotives for a "big ticket" release might be Duke of Gloucster, P2 or King Arthur Class. There are lots of smaller steam locos but I don't know much about them.
From the lists mentioned, I'd have thought the 50 wouldn't be most likely as all Dapol have shown so far is a CAD, though there is the rather lovely CJM version. Any of the units is fair game, though the Pendolino requires 5 different bodyshells - making it a big gamble and a costly model - which is why we launched our Kickstarter project.
cheers
Ben A.
I was going to say Class 50 to, but would it have opening cab doors like the OO gauge model?
Mark
Morning all,
An interesting but welcome announcement that Hornby will be doing more N. I for one can think of many locos in their OO catalogue that I would welcome on Sheaf!
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Brighton Belle marketed as the potential for a range of iconic trains? If so then complete trains would appear to be where they are going. I would have thought this would put is in a DMU/EMU situation and given their current roster of Units (Pendolino, Javelin, 2-Bil, 2-Hal, 4-Vep) I would have thought the modern units would be the more likely. Pendolino more so given the Javelin never seemed to sell that well.
Something steamy would be most welcome! But if they are going for 'iconic' then one of Hornby's favourite three could be where they are going next. These top three being Flying Scotsman, Mallard and Princess Elizabeth. Question is that if they go down the steam route would they produce them as stand alone locos or as a 'complete train' with stock? If the later then the only stock in their range that isn't currently readily available in N is the Pullman cars, but then are any of the above three locos considered iconic with a rake of Pullmans?
Of course there are many other items in their range that could be produced as stand alone locos as they are not currently planned for N. 42xx, 52xx, 72xx, King Arthur, King, O1, Sentinel, P2, Class 71, Adams Radial to name a fair few. Having said that what is to stop them competing with other products either already announced or available? Class 50, Schools for example have both been announced by Dail but very little progress has been shown, and when was the last update from our friends in Chirk? Same goes for Farish as there is no news on their castle but Hornby do have a pretty decent OO one to work from. Even smaller suppliers have locos that could be upgraded as if Hornby did a T9 then one would be on the shopping list, where as a Union Mills one isn't.
So there is plenty to think about. My current thinking is that the Pendolino seems the most likely if we are assuming it'll be something shrunk down. So bring on December 17th :D
Cheers,
Ollie
:NGaugersRule:
AFAIK, Arnold tends to be associated with iconic trains. The BB fits neatly in this category. To my mind, things like a Pendolino, or Javelin fit in this niche much better than stand-alone steam engines (much as I would like a GWR 2-8-0 for china clay work ;) ).
I agree that the big problem is that many of the iconic trains in Hornby's 00 rang have been done in N gauge already. The HST for diesels and an A4 for steam would have been obvious choices otherwise.
We will have to wait and see for another week I guess. I hope there is something that will fit my own (western) niche but anything that increases the N gauge world will be welcome. The other possibility that springs to mind might be shrinks of their very successful Pullman coaches. These are iconic and have sold well in 00. Also, there is little risk of Farish or Dapol doing them in the near future.
Interesting times! :D
Quote from: Ollie3440 on December 08, 2014, 06:37:51 AM
Something steamy would be most welcome! But if they are going for 'iconic' then one of Hornby's favourite three could be where they are going next. These top three being Flying Scotsman, Mallard and Princess Elizabeth.
Given their recent track record with
Lizzie - I doubt it !!!
For those who don't know ... a couple of years back, they did a big recording session with her, and promised to release the sounds on
Lizzie - and promptly did that to one of the sister engines (maybe two now ?) ... Given
Lizzie's recent history (the Jubilee etc), there was a major opportunity totally ignored ... Oh well, maybe next year now she's finished the overhaul.
It is possible that Hornby/Arnold are monitoring the kickstarter project however the number of pledges might not translate directly into buyers if Hornby released the Pendolino. For example there is at least one kettle fan that would have not considered buying a multicoloured worm but is doing to to help the project :thankyousign: Compare with the Brighton Belle which did not seem to attract the same sort of interest from the kettle fans.
That is very true but conversely, there might be people who would be happy to buy a RTR train off the shelf but who are cautious of using Kickstarter.
I had an email exchange with one of the Hornby design people after the Warley show to provide some photos of the Adams Radial that they are planning in 00 gauge. Anyway I made a throwaway comment about an Arnold Pendolino,which did not elicit a denial but did but produce a comment acknowledging the current Kickstarter.
A few years back Mikado trains in France planned an X73900 SNCF railcar. Specific questions were asked of Arnold at the time which did not generate any indication that they were planning that type of railcar, although it was already in the H0 Jouef range. The Mikado model went on to be a great success despite its compromised Japanese chassis, and the Arnold version which arrived much later did not achieve the same level in France, with a couple of liveries cancelled altogether for lack of orders. There are regularly remaindered SNCF/DB versions available on the continent. Good running chassis but with a couple of vulnerable soldered connections which sometimes give way, for anyone looking for a long low chassis.
I think we would be more likely to see a Eurostar Velaro in 1/160 scale to match the Kato original Eurostar, rather than a Southern EMU , Javelin, Pendolino or any Grouping steam train in 1/148. I would be delighted to be proved wrong, but a modern train running in 3 or 4 European countries including the UK is likely to make better business sense for Arnold even in 1/160 scale.
The Velaro is an interesting possibility although the existence of an HO model in Fleischmann's range makes me think that an N gauge version might be more likely from them.
What I noticed on the Hornby website last night, if you click on the international tab you will see that Hornby through Arnold are investing heavily in n gauge/scale.
They are producing European and American both diesel and steam. Now I know most of you are interested in British but the way I see this, is they can see a huge market in N gauge/scale as a way to go with there business as properties/homes become smaller and as N becomes more and more popular.
Personally I am excited by this as recently I have been buying American and European locomotives as the quality is much higher than the experience I have had with Dapol and farish.
I purchased the 5 car brighton belle and the quality as far as I can see is comparable with broadway limited and my athearn big boy. Just my 2 pennies worth. Fineboy
We know that there will be more British N, so while we might get a 1:160 Velaro I'd be surprised if that was it.
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: Only Me on December 08, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
As mentioned a few months back there may be a Re-emergence of Lyddle End in 2015
Well that would be appreciated as well
Strangely, would be more excited about the reappearance of Lyddle End than I would be a new locomotive! But hey, a lot of folk think me strange anyway. :confused1:
Quote from: red_death on December 08, 2014, 03:51:03 PM
We know that there will be more British N, so while we might get a 1:160 Velaro I'd be surprised if that was it.
Cheers, Mike
I have an Arnold ICE3 - so they already are set up to do a Eurostar
I think Mike's comment was more that he would be surprised if the sole offering were a 1:160 Velaro, rather than he'd be surprised if they made one.
Hornby have verbally committed to more British n gauge, so to offer an out of scale model of something more commonly seen on the continent seems a little misleading!
Be like saying they were doing something French, then making a Pendolino, because they got dragged through France on their way here!
The thought of the Adams Radial in N has made me sit up and take notice of this thread. I don't care if it's not even my region, it's certainly my period and would look fantastic.
Quote from: red_death on December 08, 2014, 03:51:03 PM
We know that there will be more British N, so while we might get a 1:160 Velaro I'd be surprised if that was it.
Cheers, Mike
I would be surprised if the Velaro was all, but not if it was first. To make Arnold work in the UK almost certainly requires a distribution channel without retailers in the mix. A run of the mill steam, diesel,or electric model possibly needs a wider exposure than Hornby.com and a few franchisee retailers. Hauled stock, whether freight or passenger, might have greater unit volume potential, but a lot less profit margin per unit, as described in Jason Shron's Rapido interview in the Jan 2015 BRM.
It seems to me (at the moment) as if Hornby is in a bit of a mess with existing orders. I ordered a BB set a week or so ago and have been trying to get information from Hornby about its delivery to me. Although when I ordered it (and received acknowledgement from them as to stock being available its now showing as 'out of stock' on their website.
Every email I send them produces a pre written standard reply mail stating that they are close on a week behind dealing with orders. They wont even say if theres more on order or when that may arrive
I am far from impressed
:claphappy: After 6 emails to Hornby they have at last replied and say that they have dispatched my BB today :claphappy:
Hello all,
Hornby held an embargoed press preview day yesterday for their OO stuff.
They were asked about N and said they were happy with the response to the Brighton Belle but were not expecting any new N-gauge announcements until next year.
They indicated that Hornby at Margate were not leading in this, and that any decisions and news would come from Arnold and that the design work would be done in Spain. I suspect this is at the former Electrotren offices.
Cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on December 11, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
Hello all,
Hornby held an embargoed press preview day yesterday for their OO stuff.
:
They were asked about N and said they were happy with the response to the Brighton Belle but were not expecting any new N-gauge announcements until next year.
They indicated that Hornby at Margate were not leading in this, and that any decisions and news would come from Arnold and that the design work would be done in Spain. I suspect this is at the former Electrotren offices.
Cheers
Ben A.
Thank you Ben, disappointing in a way as I was lead to believe more was coming and would be announced next week. So will have to wait till Spring next year then.
Quote from: NtasticShop on December 11, 2014, 10:15:15 AM
Thank you Ben, disappointing in a way as I was lead to believe more was coming and would be announced next week. So will have to wait till Spring next year then.
Hi Richard
Yes, I had been expecting something at least. I wasn't there myself but I'd briefed the Model Rail guys who did go to make sure they asked about N. What is odd is that Margate seemed to be very vague about what any N announcements would be made, when they'd be made or even who would be making them. I'm going to try to find out at least when we might hear something.
cheers
Ben A.
Odd at Warley I asked a rep about N Gauge and got a firm yes to more announcement's, but I did not ask when as I assumed it was next week.
Have Hornby" bought out" Arnold N gauge or simply gone into some sort of a trade/franchise agreement with them?
The reason I ask is that in Hornby's latest web blurb/announcement re. Arnold N gauge the impression is given that (amongst others perhaps) the Arnold Henschel wegmann set,German streamlined steam loco and 4 coaches is a new item yet to be produced or at least released.
Yet this set is and has been readily available for some time as an Arnold 5 piece set abroad exactly as per Hornby/Arnold website "advert"/"announcement".
Does anyone know what is going on and what is/are actually new items or simply re-releases of existing Arnold items?
Rheingold
Arnold is part of Hornby International.
Hornby confirmed that there will be a further UK N model produced - like Richard I assumed we would hear about it next week.
Cheers, Mike
It's beginning to sound as though they're going to produce N Gauge special releases only, rather than entering the British N scene on a full time basis. We might get one special, showy release a year at best, perhaps.
Realistically I would be more than happy with one Hornby release per year.
We have had an unprecedented era of growth in N gauge models over the last 5-10 years and I do wonder at times if the market is large enough to stand all the models produced/being produced.
Cheers, Mike
I completely agree with that, Mike.
Let's just hope it's a case of 'keeping their powder dry' and we do hear something next week :hmmm:
[rant]Despite the "era of growth" there are still a load of models needed for the Southern, apart from Union Mills there is very little for pre WW2 SR modellers, no 4-6-0s - no King Arthurs, no Lord Nelsons, no H15, no S15, no Moguls (one announced, also Schools announced) UM do one 4-4-0 (out of at least 16 classes) and 2 0-6-0s, Dapol do two tank locos , M7 and Terrier out of dozens of classes. Up to now the only SR locos the likes of Dapol and Farish recognise are Spam cans and a Q1. Even the kit market isn't that briliant, what kits there are either need an expensive German Chassis, (Langley S15) or are intended to fit on a way inaccurate chassis (BHE N15) The Langley E2 & E5 worked in a fairly limited area, the Peco/Wills B4 dock tank is long out of production.
So they turn round and say well nobody models the SR, to which the obvious answer is cos nobody makes stock for the SR. Catch 22 ennit?
Without a few more RTR locos the number of modellers taking up the SR in N gauge will remain low; if we are talking named train sets, how about a pre WW2 Golden Arrow, Atlantic coast Express, or Bournemouth Belle with a Nelson and/or a King Arthur with the loco also available as a separate item. [/rant]
*cheers rant and agrees with every word*
I was very, very lucky to find a Peco/Wills 0-4-0 B4 via eBay, although it needs a bit of a paint job. It gets very irritating when steamer release after release is mostly early BR, or mid-to-late 1930s, and therefore too late for realistic operation.
If you can find something which will sell a minimum of 1000 units then you can make it happen...but it won't be easy!
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: red_death on December 11, 2014, 11:34:42 PM
If you can find something which will sell a minimum of 1000 units then you can make it happen...but it won't be easy!
Cheers, Mike
Exactly, well said.
Quote from: red_death on December 11, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
Realistically I would be more than happy with one Hornby release per year.
Cheers, Mike
I agree with this wholeheartedly. If Hornby could announce an item in January and have it shipped by december......
Agreed. That would be excellent - like the old Dapol saying of "delivering on our promises".
Merry Christmas
Paddy
Hi all,
It's just dawned on me that the Nurenberg show is early next year - I imagine Arnold will make any announcements there, as they're probably used to doing it that way.
Cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on December 13, 2014, 06:21:54 PM
It's just dawned on me that the Nurenberg show is early next year - I imagine Arnold will make any announcements there, as they're probably used to doing it that way.
Makes sense.... wasn't it at Nurenberg 2013 they officially confirmed they were doing the Brighton Belle?
QuoteMakes sense.... wasn't it at Nurenberg 2013 they officially confirmed they were doing the Brighton Belle?
Yeah, after it was accidently leaked early if I remember correctly.
best wishes
Simon