hi all does anybody have news of dapols latest catalogue, i thought it was due in april? mind you im not sure. ???
it was asked on facebook dapol page and the response was delayed till may :thumbsdown:
the way things are going with that catalogue it will be a 2014 release.
Does anyone know if it will still be available to download free from the website?
Quote from: Karhedron on April 17, 2012, 11:24:56 AM
Does anyone know if it will still be available to download free from the website?
from what i have heard it most likely will not be down loadable. but if your one of there club members you may get it free but they ahve not fully decided this. this was on there last newsletter.
Hope it's better than the 2011 version, seen better graphics
on a church newsletter. :evil:
thanks for the replies :thumbsup: is it just me or is anyone else fed up with these time release issues we seem to get ???
its not jsut you. in some cases its not just the time issue but reliability too. Waiting to now for a new catalogue is ridiculious. half the stuff on the current one is not even avaiable anymore, just a few odds or sods left in shops.
hi im not sure i like the way this company needs everything pre ordered, i know it makes sure all there stuff will sell but for my point of view working on a budget i could nt pre order something if i wasnt sure about funding it, as a result i have missed some nice items, i suppose thats life.
Quote from: oil2435 on April 18, 2012, 06:25:44 PM
hi im not sure i like the way this company needs everything pre ordered, i know it makes sure all there stuff will sell but for my point of view working on a budget i could nt pre order something if i wasnt sure about funding it, as a result i have missed some nice items, i suppose thats life.
I'm not sure Dapol have a policy of having to pre-order everything.You can go to a model shop and buy any of their products off the shelf when they are released.
Because they produce things in such small batches.......sometimes as small as 250 units sometimes it is advisable for customers to pre-order items to be sure of not missing out......
I'm not sure if you are aware....and excuse me if you are but when you pre order something (from the likes of Hattons and Rails at least)... you dont have to part with any money untill the item is actually in stock. :thumbsup:
hi dock shunter i know about the money coming off bit, but when im planning any purchases i would be happier knowing that the release dates are correct and i can be aware of my money being spent when it suits me within a respectical timescale :thumbsup:
Quote from: oil2435 on April 18, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
hi dock shunter i know about the money coming off bit, but when im planning any purchases i would be happier knowing that the release dates are correct and i can be aware of my money being spent when it suits me within a respectical timescale :thumbsup:
Ah....i understand where you are coming from now and i agree with you....it can be awkward if you pre order something in say Jan and it is expected in April and you have the money.......but then it doesn't arrive untill say July when you might not have the funds.......has happened to me in the past........ :thumbsup:
i suppose i should know better by now and plan things right, im like a big kid wanting everything i see :smiley-laughing:
It's a shame their stuff seems to be so perpetually delayed. In early March Dave said on RMWeb that it was due at the end of the month (ie within a couple of weeks), which became April, now May. I can understand them not knowing months in advance, but surely they know when they're within a few weeks!?
Their products seem worth the wait, but I find it pretty frustrating there's still articles around saying their Mk3 buffet's are due 'early 2010'!
I think we all imagined Dapol to be this massive organisation and in truth they are not exactly a massive team.
Bachmann is in a different league resources wise and it shows admittedly.
Whilst it can be frustrating when we are info greedy with the benefit now of all this wonderful techno communication, think we do need to cut the human's behind the machine a bit of slack guy's!
As we are being supplied overall at a rate unimaginable 10yr ago with mind blowingly better products than we have had previously, think we all need that bit of a financial breather now and again too.
Relax guys and chill, good things always to those who wait!
hi all i do agree with dr deltic the workforce are a great bunch, i have been at every open day since their n club started. but they are a small company which i think are trying to do to much to quick, they started back with n gauge, got there oo on the go again(better for us in n as more money for developement) and are now doing o. how do they do it? only so many hours in a week/year. on top of all that there seems to be an image/rebranding happening must be hard to keep all that running smooth me thinks :P
Yes totally agree with Dr Deltic, it's just frustrating they continually announce release dates and then miss them - I'd rather they didn't commit when they're often so far out!
Perhaps they should just drop the catalogue and only announce when things are actually released, keep us guessing!
I am sure I read somewhere the pdf catalogue will not be available which I find very disappointing. That medium is easily 'updateable' (if there is such a word ???) whereas a hard copy is not.
On further contemplation, maybe that is the plot :evil:
I would prefer that they got consistent quality. I am now very reluctant to commit to buying any model before it is released and will wait until it actually appears and there is some experience of its performance. If I miss out so be it. Alternatively I would like reassurance that if it goes wrong it will be fixed at no cost. I am not sure how a two year warranty helps if they have already sold out of the batch and are not able to replace a specific model. I am still wating for a fix to the original 9F bogie problem which I know exists but after several conversations with Dapol have been unable to get them to send to me in Canada. A SAE doesn't work from a foreign country.
Keith
I noticed Dapol have said on Facebook that collectors club members are getting a free copy of the catalogue sent out to them.
cheers
Mark
Quote from: dr deltic on April 24, 2012, 05:30:33 PM
I think we all imagined Dapol to be this massive organisation and in truth they are not exactly a massive team.
Bachmann is in a different league resources wise and it shows admittedly.
While i agree with you that they are a small company, the problem is they keep on saying it will be released on XYZ, but alot of items are delayed. I just read that the Silver Link is now delayed. While they are most likely doing all they can to sort these issues, the down side iS that customers will get fed up of constanlty being disapointed with the delays.
I see Dave has now said "late May" for the catalogue on RMWeb. My money's on July, with none of the products actually appearing in 2012 :)
I still struggle a bit with how it went from "it'll be 2 weeks" to actually being a further 3 months away (at least), surely at 2 weeks they were sending them to the printers!? I guess I'd rather they focused on resurrecting the Pendolino and the 92!
A colleague spoke to Joel (Dapol's MD) yesterday and we have a confirmed date of the first week in June. They will also be priced at £2.50 :)
Ollie
Quote from: Ollie3440 on May 02, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
A colleague spoke to Joel (Dapol's MD) yesterday and we have a confirmed date of the first week in June. They will also be priced at £2.50 :)
Well so long as they have downloadable versions. I hope it comes with a guarantee at that price though ;)
Quote from: Ollie3440 on May 02, 2012, 06:12:33 PM
A colleague spoke to Joel (Dapol's MD) yesterday and we have a confirmed date of the first week in June. They will also be priced at £2.50 :)
Ollie
What price will Rails be doing them at, Ollie :evil:
Quote from: EtchedPixels on May 02, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Well so long as they have downloadable versions.
According to their FB page they will still be offering PDF versions available as free downloads.
Is there any hint of a clue what may be outlined for production in the cat?
I know about the A3 kettles and class 26/27 rumors but has there been any speculation or early give away's yet?
I know they are doing another run of q1's as we have them for pre-order on the website. I also know of another loco they are doing a re-release run of (well I think so anyway!) but I'll leave that till the catalogue is announced
Ollie
Quote from: Ollie3440 on May 21, 2012, 04:29:02 PM
I know they are doing another run of q1's as we have them for pre-order on the website. I also know of another loco they are doing a re-release run of (well I think so anyway!) but I'll leave that till the catalogue is announced
Ollie
Spoil sport!! ;D
Hi All,
Whilst browsing through RMWeb, I happened to pass comment on the continual locking of threads pertaining to the future catalogue. This resulted in another locked thread. I sent my protests to the Moderator in question but have had no reply. It seems that any comment (just or unjust) is not permitted.
So, it only remains for me to return to this more reasonable group and reiterate my thoughts that Daves cryptic comment & teasing of products etc is unhelpful, thereby creating rumour & counter-productive speculation. More transparency for the reasons it is late would help, such as, waiting for pics or problems with typesetting or similar......would be appreciated more by me, and I suspect, others too....
Later,
Stu from EGDL
:Class91:
Quote from: GWR-Kris on April 27, 2012, 11:57:49 AM
While they are most likely doing all they can to sort these issues, the down side iS that customers will get fed up of constanlty being disapointed with the delays.
Trouble is there's no alternative. Even the other main supplier of British N Gauge - Bachmann Farish - are no better when it comes to delayed releases ;)
Paul
just a question...
but what will a catalogue tell you that cant be found with a quick google search or look around forum sites?
matt
:NGaugeForum:
Quote from: StufromEGDL on June 04, 2012, 01:38:38 PM
Hi All,
Whilst browsing through RMWeb, I happened to pass comment on the continual locking of threads pertaining to the future catalogue. This resulted in another locked thread. I sent my protests to the Moderator in question but have had no reply. It seems that any comment (just or unjust) is not permitted.
So, it only remains for me to return to this more reasonable group and reiterate my thoughts that Daves cryptic comment & teasing of products etc is unhelpful, thereby creating rumour & counter-productive speculation. More transparency for the reasons it is late would help, such as, waiting for pics or problems with typesetting or similar......would be appreciated more by me, and I suspect, others too....
Later,
Stu from EGDL
:Class91:
Hi Stu
Yes, I too had noticed that RM Web had locked a couple of threads relating to the subject of the catalogue. However to be fair I suspect this might be partly because it was degenerating into a bit of a whinge session and also some comments appeared to have little to do with the catalogue itself.
I take your point that there have been some hints dropped which are unhelpful to some and simply fuel speculation for others, but I simply take it all as a bit of fun and nothing more. Yes agreed just telling people what the delay is would make the whole issue "go away" for most, but maybe they want to keep it on people's "radar" as much as possible to ensure maximum impact when it does arrive?
Dave J has said on that same forum that the delays are something of an embarassment to Dapol. My take is that in all probability given the sheer size of it now they have simply bitten of far more than they could chew and the whole process of collating material for it and designing it has been underestimated in terms of man hours needed.
Personally I am curious to know what other releases they have planned and not just in N (I know wash my mouth out with soap :o ), but my modelling bugdet is already prioritised towards known 2012 releases - a Dapol A3 and Farish 5MT (Both preordered already) and in all likelihood a WD too. So exactly when it arrives is slightly academic as far as I am concerned.
Regards
Roy
I agree with you Roy,i don't understand why some people are taking the hint dropping and the teasing so seriously.........it is just a bit of fun.....the way parents might tease a child who cant wait for Christmas to come........
After all that is what we are like when it comes to new releases......isn't it....?... ;D
Quote from: Roy L S on June 04, 2012, 03:50:58 PM
Dave J has said on that same forum that the delays are something of an embarassment to Dapol. My take is that in all probability given the sheer size of it now they have simply bitten of far more than they could chew and the whole process of collating material for it and designing it has been underestimated in terms of man hours needed.
And, of course, I very much doubt that there is anything deliberate or underhand about the delays (as some have appeared to imply - particulalrly on RMweb and probably why the threads are locked).
I get the distinct impression that the new guy wanted to do something that they hadn't done before with regards to a brochure. And then probably under-estimating the workload, wanting to keep it to himself (Dave claims to know nothing about it) and possibly having little experience in producing such a publication, has continually failed to hit target deadlines and get it out to date.
Let's just keep our fingers crossed for the lastest estimate; the end of June. And hope it contains what we'd all like to see.
H.
I'm content to wait for the previously announced diesels; I think I got used to waiting for Farish to "come up with the goods" (the class 101 wait springs to mind).
What I would really like to see is some idea when they will produce the second batch of blue grey 125s as you can't seem to get these for love nor money, unlike all of the other liveries produced that is!
I think some of that is just Dave. He's always been that way and it's just part of who he is. Now and then he does overdo it so quite a few of us got the reference when he said there was a teacup on his desk.
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels
Now and then he does overdo it so quite a few of us got the reference when he said there was a teacup on his desk.
Alan
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And one or two of us did not...until now!
Quote from: Roy L S on June 04, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels
Now and then he does overdo it so quite a few of us got the reference when he said there was a teacup on his desk.
Alan
And one or two of us did not...until now!
And at least one of us still doesn't ???
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on June 04, 2012, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on June 04, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels
Now and then he does overdo it so quite a few of us got the reference when he said there was a teacup on his desk.
Alan
And one or two of us did not...until now!
And at least one of us still doesn't ???
Paul
Sounds like theres a storm brewing.......... ;D
Hi Gang;
Actually I am a realist and can apppreciate the problems in producing a weighty tome,..such as a catalogue....
What I fail to appreciate is the dodgy inferences (of teasers,spoilers and red herrings) from a supposedly reputable company....
This leads me to believe that the company is either unwilling or incapable of meeting deadlines (of their own making).....of course..I'd be loved to be proved wrong!!!
And I never heard the 'tea-cup' jibe before today!!
Later;
Stu from EGDL
:Class89:
Quote from: StufromEGDL on June 04, 2012, 10:57:00 PM
Hi Gang;
And I never heard the 'tea-cup' jibe before today!!
Later;
Stu from EGDL
:Class89:
Hi Stu
Not a jibe, but more a cryptic clue.
My undertanding is that a certain class of small-ish BO-BO Type 2 diesel frequently associated with Scotland (Dapol recently released - I have one on my Waverley Route Layout) earned this nickname by dint of the distinctive sound their engine made at tickover.
These locos were also known as MacRats. by some, I believe, but that was also a name given to Scottish 25s by others.
Regards
Roy
Quote from: Sprintex on June 04, 2012, 08:52:30 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on June 04, 2012, 08:31:24 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels
Now and then he does overdo it so quite a few of us got the reference when he said there was a teacup on his desk.
Alan
And one or two of us did not...until now!
And at least one of us still doesn't ???
Paul
That made two of us Paul.. :o Thanks to Roy for the explanation.! :smiley-laughing:
Dapol Dave has said that :Dapol: will be producing an eastern region blue/grey hst, I think he said june... but which june??? ::) ;D
Mark
MIght be of interest to learn that Hattons are now listing the Dapol catalogue on pre-order for the bargain price of only 50p! Even if the postage works out to £4 that is quite a steal.
http://www.ehattons.com/57601/Dapol_Model_Railways_DapolCatalogue2012_Catalogue_for_2012_range_Due_into_stock_on_or_after_Monday_18th_June_2012/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/57601/Dapol_Model_Railways_DapolCatalogue2012_Catalogue_for_2012_range_Due_into_stock_on_or_after_Monday_18th_June_2012/StockDetail.aspx)
DapolDave has confirmed that the June 18th date is unlikely to be met but Hattons usually honour their pre-order pricing so it might be worth ordering.
18th July is the latest 'confirmed' date.
(if they miss that it could be August before we see it)
H.
Best make sure we don't blink then!
I heard there will be an announcement at 9am on the 18th july.. hopefully that won't be delayed! :smiley-laughing:
Cheers
Mark
I have the latest Dapol Collector's Club Newsletter in front of me (2nd Edition 2014).
1) It appears that the GWR 45xx, SR M7 and LMS Ivatt 2MT Tank are being rerun. These are not DCC ready but can have chips hard-wired in (at customer risk, of course).
2) Details on the reruns of the Britannias (the ND095 ones are reissues, the 2S-017 ones are new numbers):
- ND095A 70000 Britannia
- ND095B 70013 Oliver Cromwell
- 2S-017-001 70006 Robert Burns BR Green Early Emblem
- 2S-017-002 70009 Alfred the Great BR Green Late Crest
- 2S-017-003 70015 Apollo BR Green Early Emblem
- 2S-017-004 70021 Morning Star BR Green Late Crest
- 2S-017-005 70025 Western Star BR Green Late Crest
All have 'D' variants which are factory DCC fitted.
3) Details on the LNER 'B17' rerun:
- ND079E 61655 Middlesborough BR Green Early Emblem
- ND079F 2863 Everton LNER Apple Green
- 2S-020-001 2864 Liverpool LNER wartime Black
- 2S-020-002 61664 Liverpool BR Green Early Emblem
- 2S-020-003 2671 Manchester United LNER Apple Green
Although the blurb says all have Factory-fit DCC options, only the 2S-020 numbers have a 'D' variant listed.
4) In product development: Class 50 (CAD complete, awaiting toolroom slot), Class 59 (CAD wip), Class 142 (CAD wip), Class 33 (Toolroom), Schools (CAD wip, including work on alternate LeMaitre chimney/cab version), GWR Grange (CAD wip), LNER A4 ('Valenced versions in progress'), SR Maunsell Coaches (awaiting first decorated samples).
5a) Announcements: LNER J72 0-6-0T, Class 68 (in both N and OO)
5b) Announcement: GWR Manor ('new and improved'):
- 2S-001-001 7810 Draycott Manor BR Lined Green Late Crest
- 2S-001-002 7801 Anthony Manor GWR Green Shirtbutton
- 2S-001-003 7805 Broome Manor GWR Green 'GWR' on tender
- 2S-001-004 7821 Ditcheat Manor BR Mixed-traffic Black
All have 'D' variants for Factory-fitted DCC.
6) Club Special Limited Editions: Insert with order form for 2S-007-014 GWR Pannier tank in BR Black Late Crest (no number specified) and 2 B Set coaches (6384/85) at £69.95 + £4.95 p&p; next one will be one of the new GWR Grange, 6873 Caradoc Grange in GWR Black with 'G crest W' on tender (£90).
My comment: what with the previous club special being the Class 22 and milk tanks, now the Pannier and B Set and the Grange to come, when do those of us who don't model the GWR get a look in on the specials?
2 years ago, with the incorrect Silver Link ...
I wonder if Dapol will apologise to all those who bought one & offer a replacement that is correct ? Ie with the valences ... Somehow - I doubt it.
Quote from: talisman56 on July 14, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
My comment: what with the previous club special being the Class 22 and milk tanks, now the Pannier and B Set and the Grange to come, when do those of us who don't model the GWR get a look in on the specials?
Why would anyone
not model the GWR? :confused2: :P
In all seriousness, thanks for posting the update. After the hiatus in development news, it is good to see that things seem to be moving again (I notice that the Grange CAD has just been posted on their FB page).
The Pannier/B-set seemed a curious choice for a special as they are old toolings and nothing that cannot be put together easily off the shelf. Whilst a discount is nice, I suspect that most people who want a set like this will already have one. The Grange I can understand as it may well be their next "new" model to hit the stores given the parts commonality with the Hall.
Interesting to see that the Manor is also getting a revamp. My guess is that since they will have a newly tooled up set of wheels and bogies from the Grange, they will carry those over the Manor to replace the plastic wheels they inherited from Ixion.
Quote from: Karhedron on July 14, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 14, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
My comment: what with the previous club special being the Class 22 and milk tanks, now the Pannier and B Set and the Grange to come, when do those of us who don't model the GWR get a look in on the specials?
Why would anyone not model the GWR? :confused2: :P
Because it's the GWR? :) :P
Quote from: MikeDunn on July 14, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
2 years ago, with the incorrect Silver Link ...
I wonder if Dapol will apologise to all those who bought one & offer a replacement that is correct ? Ie with the valences ... Somehow - I doubt it.
Why on earth would they? It is not as if it was some hidden defect. Silver Link was produced within the limitations of the model tooling that existed. Everyone could see what it was and had the choice of buying the model with known inaccuracies or spending their money elsewhere.
It is not as if they promised it would be a valanced version and then delivered something else.
Unlike "Western Enterprise" - incorrectly released in maroon with no yellow warning panel.
Solution (according to a recent recipient and member of this forum) - Change the label on the box.
Classic!
Regards
Roy
Quote from: Karhedron on July 14, 2014, 04:27:19 PM
It is not as if they promised it would be a valanced version and then delivered something else.
From memory - this is
exactly what they implied ... and failed to deliver.
Let's be frank - an original livery
Silver Link has valences. As do all other A4s in their own release livery. End of story.
Quote from: MikeDunn on July 14, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
2 years ago, with the incorrect Silver Link ...
I wonder if Dapol will apologise to all those who bought one & offer a replacement that is correct ? Ie with the valences ... Somehow - I doubt it.
Actually Silver Link is NOT 'Incorrect', just that it is not what many modellers assume it to be!!
It is infact an accurate representation of Bittern in the early 1980s when she was masquerading as Silver Link. She ran for a short time in silver without valences...
;)
Quote from: PLD on July 14, 2014, 11:09:47 PMActually Silver Link is NOT 'Incorrect', just that it is not what many modellers assume it to be!!
It is infact an accurate representation of Bittern in the early 1980s when she was masquerading as Silver Link. She ran for a short time in silver without valences...
;)
Bittern when masquerading as Silverlink actually had the valances restored as well. At the time the loco was suffering from a cracked frame and was cosmetically overhauled to go on static display.
Therefore the Dapol model is incorrect regardless if it is supposed to represent the original Silverlink or Bittern as the former...
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/gallery/album_993/gallery_8020_993_67715.jpg (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/gallery/album_993/gallery_8020_993_67715.jpg)
Quote from: PLD on July 14, 2014, 11:09:47 PM
It is infact an accurate representation of Bittern in the early 1980s when she was masquerading as Silver Link. She ran for a short time in silver without valences...
Except this isn't what Dapol claimed the model represented, as you well know.
I think the winking smiley at the end of Atso's post speaks volumes ;)
Paul
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Can't find a smiley for dying of boredom...........