Firstly may I say a BIG THANK YOU to those who took the time to PM me with your wishes.
We received 629 votes (bear in mind not everyone used their 6 votes, some used only one!)
Of those 629 votes - the votes were split as follows:-
| | | |
| Steam Locos | | 42% |
| Diesel Locos | | 24.5% |
| EMU's | | 14.4% |
| DMU's | | 11.3% |
| Electric Locos | | 7.8% |
The most desired in each section were:-
| | | |
| Steam | | Schools class |
| Diesel | | Class 25 (retooled) |
| EMU | | Pendolino |
| DMU | | Class 105 Cravens |
| Electrics | | Class 85 |
Comparisons between our Top Ten and that of the MREmag/RMweb can be found in the attached Word file, while the full listings can be found in the Excel file.
*I must add a disclaimer in that I am not the world's foremost authority on motive power over the last 100 years or so, but have listed what was voted for with some research or clarification sought.Thanks again to everyone who voted and those who helped with this first major poll :thumbsup:
Newport Nobby
A big well done to NewportNobby for spending a large amount of his personal time organising this and collating the data. It's been a big task.
Also well done for everyone on your votes. :thumbsup: Hopefully this will become more popular with members, and publications and manufacturers in the future will welcome the NGF poll/survey.
Thanks to everyone.
:NGaugersRule:
Interesting to note the Castle at #2 in the steam list. This was spectacularly missing from the list on the RMWeb poll despite my mentioning it to them. That accounts for one discrepancy at least.
Quote from: newportnobby on June 28, 2012, 05:55:47 PMThe most desired in each section were:-
| | | |
| Steam | | Schools class |
| Diesel | | Class 25 (retooled) |
| EMU | | Pendolino |
| DMU | | Class 105 Cravens |
| Electrics | | Class 85 |
From the attached spreadsheets it looks like the class 33 was equal first with the class 25 in the diesel section.
H.
True - but the 'headlines' were meant to keep it simple whilst being backed up with the full results list.
The Word file showing the top 10 in each section reflects the equality in votes of the 25 & 33
A fine job Mick. What are we going to vote on next? ;D
Malc
Quote from: Malc on June 30, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
A fine job Mick. What are we going to vote on next? ;D
Malc
maybe what vehicles (as in motor vehicles) we would like to see,,,,,,,,,,, the choice of vehicles is still shody for N then we can canvas oxford and other manufacturers see if it gives them ideas,,,
Nobby I think you've done a great job, there are some interesting differences and similarities with that other poll. Thanks
Now for the next survey......
Ray
:A1Tornado:
Doh,is anyone able to put up a rundown of the results because as I have a dead pc,I can only access the forum on my R2 unit telecommunications device(android phone) and after trying to download the files,it says file is not supported on phone and stops the download.I am only after the loco,dmu and electric results as steam and emu's aren't my bag.
Cheers in advance for this.
Pete
:Class37: :NGaugersRule:
Yes indeed, Sir. A fine job of what was no small task. I was interested to see that the Leader experimental locomotive received 4 votes.... three others out there in forumland also like weird locos!
I think your idea of road vehicles is a good one, Fratton.
Once again, Newportnobby, an excellent job. :wave:
Thanks very much for the effort Nobby. :beers:
Greatly appreciated by all I'm sure.
Well done Mike, at the time of the poll I was still into the Yankee stuff but I find the results of your poll very interesting now I am back where I should have been :thumbsup:
Thanks so much !ick for all your work. I know the collating of votes was a tricky task and the results are very interesting.
The clear top few are a great insight into people's wants. Many match my own...
Top job :thumbsup:
Thanks NN for all your hard work - wading through all our votes and collating them is a huge task.
Quote from: newportnobby on June 30, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
True - but the 'headlines' were meant to keep it simple whilst being backed up with the full results list.
The Word file showing the top 10 in each section reflects the equality in votes of the 25 & 33
'Joint first - class 25 and 33' would be keeping it simple.
It's not as though third place is being mentioned.
H.
Quote from: Fratton on June 30, 2012, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Malc on June 30, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
A fine job Mick. What are we going to vote on next? ;D
Malc
maybe what vehicles (as in motor vehicles) we would like to see,,,,,,,,,,, the choice of vehicles is still shody for N then we can canvas oxford and other manufacturers see if it gives them ideas,,,
I like that idea. :thumbsup:
H.
Quote from: H on July 01, 2012, 08:17:06 AM
Quote from: Fratton on June 30, 2012, 11:45:30 PM
Quote from: Malc on June 30, 2012, 11:18:33 PM
A fine job Mick. What are we going to vote on next? ;D
Malc
maybe what vehicles (as in motor vehicles) we would like to see,,,,,,,,,,, the choice of vehicles is still shody for N then we can canvas oxford and other manufacturers see if it gives them ideas,,,
I like that idea. :thumbsup:
H.
good plan, i need more variety in the 70's/80's period.
Thanks for all the hard work which has gone into this poll.
I do like the idea on a poll for Vehicles. I hope that these
results get to the attention of the manufactures so they
can see what N gauger's want.
Quote from: Pete Mc on July 01, 2012, 12:05:14 AM
Doh,is anyone able to put up a rundown of the results because as I have a dead pc,I can only access the forum on my R2 unit telecommunications device(android phone) and after trying to download the files,it says file is not supported on phone and stops the download.I am only after the loco,dmu and electric results as steam and emu's aren't my bag.
Cheers in advance for this.
Pete
:Class37: :NGaugersRule:
Hi Pete,
Will send you a PM :thumbsup:
Excellent Work Nobby. I know you spent lots of your personal time on this and your commitment in producing the results is appreciated by most people on the Forum. Your results are indeed splendid and thanks again for all your hard work and commitment and hopefully we could see certain manufacturers produce these desired models. :thumbsup:
Well done, Nobby - most interesting reading.
Thanks for organising this, great result.
As others have said great job NN and now the poll supports it can I please have my Schools?
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/DSCF0016.jpg)
I can't live with this one much longer!
Quote from: Karhedron on June 30, 2012, 10:30:09 PM
Interesting to note the Castle at #2 in the steam list. This was spectacularly missing from the list on the RMWeb poll despite my mentioning it to them. That accounts for one discrepancy at least.
Yes, a well done and thank you to Nobby from for me too.
A retooled 25 in the Diesel category was I think, always likely to score highly, and I suspect that given the existence of the Farish Class 24 already it likely to both a realistic and viable proposition for Farish to produce.
On the other hand, personally I am hugely surprised that the Schools is the winner in the steam loco section, especially by such a huge margin, I would have expected the Castle to be much closer and the Unrebuilt Patriot ditto, both I would personally regards as more viable for a producer.
I am equally surprised and a bit disappointed that the K3 scored so badly, it is certainly the case that many people I have spoken to say they would love a RTR K3, yet it scored only a paltry two votes, I had expected it to be a far more popular choice, but clearly not amongst NGF Members:(
Oh well, I'd best get on and finish the 3D print of one that ATSO kindly arranged to have done for me.
Roy
A great jobdone here in collating what must have been a huge amount of data (and , I guess, it must sometimes have been a bit muddled).
Well done and thanks again.
A superb job.
Great job NN :thumbsup: Thank you for all of the time and effort you put into this!
Marty!
Everyone's comments are much appreciated. Thank you.
Mostly it was just a recording/collating exercise but I did have help with the 'worm' department and even some of the steamers meant frequent reference to my old Combined Volumes, Observers books and Wickedpedia ???
Thanks to those who helped - you know who you are :wave:
It would be great to think we could have further future polls like this on road vehicles, rolling stock etc...........................................just don't ask me to do them please :smiley-laughing:
Those of use that didn't help one iota also know who I am too.
I will volunteer for the Road Vehicle poll... but probably not quite yet. I think that would be a very interesting one to get off the ground, but I worry that the scope is fairly limitless, so i will give some thought how to organize it.
Many thanks for doing this survey. For me, there are a few interesting insights:
1) In the Steam world, 4-4-0s are woefully under-represented by Dapol and Farish - and this result might give us something :)
2) Equally, anything Southern (or constituent parts) or GWR needs a boost - in fact I'd go further and say that there is more demand for both pre-grouping and pre-BR generally than I would have thought. There's been a good rush recently of LNER locos, but interestingly I find the LNER-liveried ones tend to sell out quicker at the box shifters (don't know whether this is due to quantities ordered from the manufacturers by retailers/fewer produced numbers, or due to higher demand...) - I get the feeling Dapol have picked up on this trend but Farish sticks to BR-black rather too much for my liking :P
3) For EMUs, SWT is also absent from Dapol/Farish - hopefully this might change with the 450?
4) Below some clear "favourites," there is a lot of room for kits - but what may be needed are some good, cheap chassis options from the bigger manufacturers - especially 4-4-0s as mentioned above (either inside or outside-valved!) I know that "close enough" is better than perfect in my eyes - so needn't be a spot on match; I just want the flavour of the loco rather than a precise but very expensive model.
I think there could be an opportunity for someone to offer "detailing kits" for Union Mills locos - would this be possible sosomeone with my skill level of "hamfisted" can apply and paint?
Gnep
Quote from: Gnep on July 02, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
Many thanks for doing this survey. For me, there are a few interesting insights:
3) For EMUs, SWT is also absent from Dapol/Farish - hopefully this might change with the 450?
Gnep
Southern and Southeastern are also absent from Farish/Dapol. At the moment, the only RTR current trains that feature on the old NSE region is the Cross Country Voyager and the Eurostar in 1:160 gauge.
Quote from: Pendy on July 02, 2012, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: Gnep on July 02, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
Many thanks for doing this survey. For me, there are a few interesting insights:
3) For EMUs, SWT is also absent from Dapol/Farish - hopefully this might change with the 450?
Gnep
Southern and Southeastern are also absent from Farish/Dapol. At the moment, the only RTR current trains that feature on the old NSE region is the Cross Country Voyager and the Eurostar in 1:160 gauge.
SWT 159 out of Waterloo? Southern 171 though long since sold out. Farish Desiro in both OHLE version and dual voltage ran across a fair chunk of what was NSE.
Quote from: red_death on July 02, 2012, 03:01:29 PM
SWT 159 out of Waterloo? Southern 171 though long since sold out. Farish Desiro in both OHLE version and dual voltage ran across a fair chunk of what was NSE.
I am referring to new RTR trains that do not require any modification.
SWT 159 and 171 are no longer produced.
Regarding the Farish Desiro running across what was the old NSE, which are you referring to? I understand that the London Midland version was 'borrowed' by its sister company Southern on occasions, were there others?
Quote from: Gnep on July 02, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
Many thanks for doing this survey. For me, there are a few interesting insights:
1) In the Steam world, 4-4-0s are woefully under-represented by Dapol and Farish - and this result might give us something :)
Try finding a 2-4-2. According to Bachmann the big steam locos always sell far better than little ones.
Quote
4) Below some clear "favourites," there is a lot of room for kits - but what may be needed are some good, cheap chassis options from the bigger manufacturers - especially 4-4-0s as mentioned above (either inside or outside-valved!) I know that "close enough" is better than perfect in my eyes - so needn't be a spot on match; I just want the flavour of the loco rather than a precise but very expensive model.
A lot already are
Quote
I think there could be an opportunity for someone to offer "detailing kits" for Union Mills locos - would this be possible sosomeone with my skill level of "hamfisted" can apply and paint?
Such a kit would contain what. A few lengths of wire, some lamps, some vac pipes, and a crew
You can buy all those already 8). Combine that with a bit of toning down the paintwork and the buffers and you are most of the way there.
There's actually not a lot needed to lift the Union Mills locos from mundane to nice. It also plays in your favour that people tend to focus on a few detais. With a few details the rest will magically lift, just as most of a painting is in fact often quite plain.
Alan
Quote from: Pendy on July 02, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
Regarding the Farish Desiro running across what was the old NSE, which are you referring to? I understand that the London Midland version was 'borrowed' by its sister company Southern on occasions, were there others?
My bad... I was referring to my own head... where Farish release a SWT-liveried 450 is an inevitability following the 350s! Wishful thinking maybe, but surely it must happen!
On the kit subject
LMS twins have been a kit (but very hard to get nowdays)
Class 22 is a kit (Worsley Works, 2nd hand NSprays)
Class 59 is a kit (BHE)
Class 17 is a kit (Parkwood)
Class 28 is a kit (Ian Stoate, Worsley Works)
Class 41 is a kit (Worsley Works, 2nd hand Heritage N)
Class 23 is a kit (2nd hand Heritage N)
Class 85 is a kit (2nd hand Heritage N - but rare)
Class 92 is about to be a kit with luck (and is RTR - CJM)
Class 90 is RTR already (wtf is it on the list ?)
Class 71 is a kit (Etched Pixels, and maybe the old BHE one)
Class 74 is a kit (Etched Pixels, Worsley Works)
Class 89 is RTR (CJM - so pricy)
Raworth Class 70 is a kit (Worsley Works)
Class 91 is also RTR and I've no idea why its on the list
Class 105 is a kit (BHE, also conversion ends from NTrain I believe)
Class 117 is a kit (BHE)
Derby Lightweight single car is a kit (Etched Pixels)
Class 120 is a kit (BHE)
Class 180 isn't .. yet 8)
Class 43 ?????? class 143 ?
Class 122 is a kit (BHE)
Class 175 is a kit (Etched Pixels/Electra)
Class 128 is a kit (BHE) - and its a good intro to building those DMU kits
EMU's are a bit more bleak although
MLV - TPM
4-EPB BHE / Electra
WES - TPM / Electra
Quote from: Gnep on July 02, 2012, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: Pendy on July 02, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
Regarding the Farish Desiro running across what was the old NSE, which are you referring to? I understand that the London Midland version was 'borrowed' by its sister company Southern on occasions, were there others?
My bad... I was referring to my own head... where Farish release a SWT-liveried 450 is an inevitability following the 350s! Wishful thinking maybe, but surely it must happen!
You are ok. I'd think they must bring one out - even if it is a limited edition and Electra Graphics are also working on vinyls to convert the 350.
My last post was a question to red_death as to whether there are any other RTR Farish Desiros running across the old NSE network.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on July 02, 2012, 03:44:42 PM
Try finding a 2-4-2. According to Bachmann the big steam locos always sell far better than little ones.
A lot already are
...
Such a kit would contain what. A few lengths of wire, some lamps, some vac pipes, and a crew
You can buy all those already 8). Combine that with a bit of toning down the paintwork and the buffers and you are most of the way there.
There's actually not a lot needed to lift the Union Mills locos from mundane to nice. It also plays in your favour that people tend to focus on a few detais. With a few details the rest will magically lift, just as most of a painting is in fact often quite plain.
Alan
Thanks EP... I would love to run a Stirling Single in N at some point too - guess there aren't any obvious chassis for that either :)
I guess what I mean for Union Mills is (apart from the bits of wire) - assuming I can re-paint a single colour (even I could probably manage that), what would I then need for lining/numbering/lettering? Transfers I guess, plus the aforementioned wire for better handrails, plus vac pipes, and then some weathering to tone down the results...
Good list of kits - something I do want to explore as I build my confidence. Might need to wait until the littlest nipper sleeps through the night first though!
Had a problem with the class 43, but as no one had reported seeing one pulling freight wagons I put it, rightly or wrongly, in the MU section. Tricky one ???
Quote from: Pendy on July 02, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
I am referring to new RTR trains that do not require any modification.
SWT 159 and 171 are no longer produced.
Regarding the Farish Desiro running across what was the old NSE, which are you referring to? I understand that the London Midland version was 'borrowed' by its sister company Southern on occasions, were there others?
None of those required any modification ???
The SWT 159 and the Southern 171 were standard re-liveries of existing models. They are "no longer produced" in the same sense that is true for much of the Farish or Dapol models which are batch produced.
NSE got as far as Northampton on WCML ie the same lines and services that the Desiros are used for. Yes the 350s were used by Southern.
Ok - I didn't realise that NSE went as far as Milton Keynes. I think i was meaning the old Southern Region - the bit now mainly operated by SWT, Southern, First, Southeastern.
I was also only stating trains 'that did not require modification' to exclude the fact that a 350 could be modified to produce a 450.
I am still of the opinion that the only new RTR trains that can be bought for this region are the Voyager and Eurostar.
Hopefully that will change with a SWT 450
Quote from: Pendy on July 02, 2012, 05:52:23 PM
I am still of the opinion that the only new RTR trains that can be bought for this region are the Voyager and Eurostar.
Dapol do the class 121 bubble car in NSE livery and have done a class 86 in NSE livery too. The 108s could be seen on the Bedford - Bletchley line and also occasionally on the route out of Paddington, ditto the new 101s. And that is not counting the assorted intercity trains that ran through the NSE area on their way to the capital.
Quote from: Gnep on July 02, 2012, 01:38:50 PM
I think there could be an opportunity for someone to offer "detailing kits" for Union Mills locos - would this be possible sosomeone with my skill level of "hamfisted" can apply and paint?
Gnep
:thumbsup: Great minds think alike. I suggested to a guy who offered his scratch-building services to me that there was a gap in the market for detailing Union Mills locomotives and offering them in pre-grouping liveries and that he should try one to test the waters.
Quote from: Sandvika on July 03, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
:thumbsup: Great minds think alike. I suggested to a guy who offered his scratch-building services to me that there was a gap in the market for detailing Union Mills locomotives and offering them in pre-grouping liveries and that he should try one to test the waters.
Almost none of the Union Mills locos can be just put into pre-group livery. They are models of the locos as they've been updated by the big four companies. Backdating them is unfortunately a rather major exercise in most cases.
UM locos really can be brought up to the standard of the most recent superdetail releases from other manufacturers - it just depends how far you are willing to go.
I've done a few:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/15768-j39-buffer-to-bufferjpg/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/15768-j39-buffer-to-bufferjpg/)
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/30905-union-mills-n-gauge-d20-superdetailed/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/30905-union-mills-n-gauge-d20-superdetailed/)
Both obviously have handrails replaced, as well as buffers and steps, and have had numerous additional details fitted - particularly the D20 which had its tender completely reworked to appropriate style and front bogie wheels replaced with closer to scale ones.
Cheers,
Alan
I've been checking this thread and remember when the first Union Mills model came out back in the 1990s. At the time, the two models that I had experience with on my local club's exhibition layout had running problems.
All the discussion in this thread about their enhancement I find interesting, but how do they run? I have two beautifully modified locomotives on the Beal & Castle Eden which are a credit to the man who did them - but they don't run! They stand on shed roads for the admiration of onlookers (myself being one of them).
Are the Union Mills models worth all the effort? To me, a loco that looks good but doesn't go is not.
Before anyone has a go at me, I hope the answer is yes, because I have always liked Union Mills.
I think it is yes.
Are your early models brass geared ones without traction tyres? The very early UM models were less good, and seem to be more prone to motor failures. It may be that they are repairable with some care.
The majority run very well though and have great haulage capacity and smooth running.
My only concern is the ultimate longevity of them - the castings are in a fairly soft metal, so I don't know how this will wear over time, particularly in areas like the tender chassis block wheel slots and bearings.
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Alan
It's been a while now, but from my recollections the models fit your description, ie, brass gears, no traction tyres, etc. However, they are a cheap alternative to the more up-market offerings, and I would like to support small suppliers when possible.
Your comment about longevity is noted. But my impression is that these models are still value for money, and if modifiying them to make 'em look better is your thing, then go for it, that's what I say!
Cheers, George
The good thing with UMs is that you can buy the tender drive separately, so if you contact UM you maybe be able to arrange an exchange or replacement of the defective units.
This would allow you to keep the superdetailed bodies, whilst getting them fully mobile!
Cheers,
Alan
Cool! I love this forum.
Cheers mate :thumbsup:
They run beautifully and reliably. I've no experience of the very early stuff but the later stuff is very very solid.
My biggest issue with Union Mills is the back to back measurement which doesn't seem consistent and so far I haven't found an easy way to ensure they are all the same. That is the only issue as I agree with the other comments on their performance but I would like them all (some don't have a problem) to go through double/single slips both forward and tender first.
Well a schools came top of the kettles!
That's great news, now we just need one of the manufacturers to take up the gauntlet...
What we couldn't put in the survey is the need for more of the chassis to be available separately.
Back in the days of only stuff from Poole being available, when a new loco came out the chassis followed suit.
A plethora of kits tended to follow this, many of which are now r-t-r items.
If today's manufacturers were to carry on that tradition, that's all types of chassis not just the big loco's, I'm sure the kits would follow.
Well, a modeller can dream...
Certainly agree with you there, Moogle.
I don't think it would be any great hardship for the manufacturers to supply chassis to order especially as, under Dapol's new warranty, chances are they will be carrying them.
It might allow us to get some of the models further down the poll lists :thumbsup:
Exactly! The 'Terrier' chassis must have 100's of possible kit possibilities.
And before I forget, a BIG THANK YOU for doing the survey. :thumbsup:
To my miond the issue of usable chassis is very valid. Might be tricky for steam tender engines at least given for both Dapol and G'far we have such complex approaches to drive. One advantage of the maybe crude, but simple approach on the older Poole models was a single lump of working chassis.
But where a separate chassis is technically viable, the lack of ready avaiability is a retrograde step. Over the years I must have built 20 or so kits - a number of which were later sold on - and got considerable satisfaction from doing so. Not least because of the challenges of moderate hand tremor. I once turned a BHE Derby 108 into the earlier Cathedral ended version. My current D11 is a modified early belpair boxed Claude Hamilton from BHE. The later round firebox version has been turned into a passable D34 (Glen). I have been known as the butcher of SW Herts MRS N Gauge section.
As others have said some of the locos in the middle part of the wish list could surely be viable on a cottage industry basis, and at normal viewing distances look good enough, just as earlier offerings did. A Patriot would look OK on a Jubiilee/Scot chassis. The B1 chassis could be a basis for some of the LNER 260s - a single axle leading boie would be required.
On DMUs the BHE offerings are worth looking at. Not always easy to ontain but I wonder if they could be made to fit the current 101 or 150 chassis depending on the length?
As for Parkwood's Clayton - one of my own wishes - apart from the body kit, where do you find the DD13 chassis? Is it really an option now?
Quote from: moogle on July 08, 2012, 01:44:06 PM
What we couldn't put in the survey is the need for more of the chassis to be available separately.
Back in the days of only stuff from Poole being available, when a new loco came out the chassis followed suit.
A plethora of kits tended to follow this, many of which are now r-t-r items.
If today's manufacturers were to carry on that tradition, that's all types of chassis not just the big loco's, I'm sure the kits would follow.
Well, a modeller can dream...
I suspect release of chassis seperately is unlikely to happen these days.
In the old Poole days chassis were somewhat generic and based around a family of standard sized wheels and other chassis components.
These days each chassis is bespoke to the individual locomotive it is made for in terms of layout, wheels and detailing parts.
Also, I doubt that manufacturers have any real incentive to supply to the kit market anyway, especially if it is to the detriment of future RTR plans.
Last issue for most is that few of us when making a kit, no matter how competent we are can hope to match the finish of current RTR models.
Sadly for all the reasons above, as time passes I do wonder if the kit market will actually contract (if it hasn't started to already).
Regards
Roy
P.S. Talking of kits, given I cannot source the necessary Japanese chassis for it, a dummy chassis has now been made for my Parkwood "Clayton" and painting is well progressed. It will be hauled "dead" (As they often failed not too unrealistic!) until (if) a powered chassis eventually turns up.
Quote from: Portpatrick on July 08, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
As for Parkwood's Clayton - one of my own wishes - apart from the body kit, where do you find the DD13 chassis? Is it really an option now?
The Kato DD13 has been out of production for years, the Microace one for some time. It's almost been long enough that the Kato one may have gone round the full cycle and get re-run so there is hope.
Re BHE DMU kits - yes the Farish 150 will fit if brutalised a lot. I have one I acquired with faults that has been reworked to go under the class 123 I'm building Given the amount of vandalism required I think the 101/108 chassis would be a better bet as you'll need to pretty much rebuild the non motor end anyway so might as well just change the length.
Alan
Quote from: Portpatrick on July 08, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
To my miond the issue of usable chassis is very valid. Might be tricky for steam tender engines at least
You can buy a fairly short wheelbase motorised tender chassis. It's called a 'terrier'. There's a good article in one of the NGS journals for this. For big BR style tenders you can also hack one up out of the cheapie little Bachmann 'plymouth' shunters.
You can also buy Union Mills tender drive units.
At some point it would be nice to have equivalents of some of the OO motorising kits, and I suspect that will happen as the RTR bits get less and less useful.
Alan
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on July 08, 2012, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: Portpatrick on July 08, 2012, 04:38:30 PM
As for Parkwood's Clayton - one of my own wishes - apart from the body kit, where do you find the DD13 chassis? Is it really an option now?
The Kato DD13 has been out of production for years, the Microace one for some time. It's almost been long enough that the Kato one may have gone round the full cycle and get re-run so there is hope.
Alan
I do hope so Alan
In the meantime I have put a pic of my finished Clayton in my "Media" folder. Having magnified the pic and had a good look, I have realised just how iffy my paintwork is under such cruel enlargement, maybe also an illustration of just how good RTR stuff is now by comparison..
Roy
Just to let everyone know that Farish have informed me the results have been passed to their Research & Development department :thumbsup:
More news as it comes off the teleprinter......................
excellent news!
Mark
Fantastic! I look forward to seeing the new products announced in the morning. ;)
Nah! that'll be Dapol on wednesday! :smiley-laughing:
Mark
That is impressive news. Nice to think that these people are taking notice of us.
Quote from: newportnobby on July 16, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Just to let everyone know that Farish have informed me the results have been passed to their Research & Development department :thumbsup:
More news as it comes off the teleprinter......................
That's great news NN thanks for the update :thumbsup:
Marty
Just a quick note to say message received from Dapol Dave today:-
Cheers Mick.
Much appreciated :)
Regards
Dave
I have replied stating that their latest catalogue is most appreciated by many of our members, especially as some of the top 10's have been selected for production.
thats good :) so in the next catalouge (couple of years yes) alot more of what people want should come to life :)
The only problem now is NN is going to have to do another poll because Dapol nicked all our idea's!! :smiley-laughing:
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: scruff on July 24, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
The only problem now is NN is going to have to do another poll because Dapol nicked all our idea's!! :smiley-laughing:
Cheers
Mark
(In best Churchill advert dog voice)......................Er, No, No, No :P
Quote from: newportnobby on July 24, 2012, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: scruff on July 24, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
The only problem now is NN is going to have to do another poll because Dapol nicked all our idea's!! :smiley-laughing:
Cheers
Mark
(In best Churchill advert dog voice)......................Er, No, No, No :P
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dave :thumbsup:
hi there :wave:
just realised what that voice would sound like :evil:
NONONONO Cat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKI-tD0L18A#)
:smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
dave :thumbsup:
Jeeez!
Has it just been told it's going to see that nice man at the Vet's :o
Quote from: newportnobby on July 24, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
Jeeez!
Has it just been told it's going to see that nice man at the Vet's :o
:smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Eeek. Now I know why I don't like cats. Best cat is a flat cat. Good news about Dapol, though.
George :angel:
Quote from: bealman on July 24, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
Eeek. Now I know why I don't like cats. Best cat is a flat cat. Good news about Dapol, though.
George :angel:
A flat cat is of no use to anyone and may upset some cat loving members on here.
The 'no no no no no' sound the cat is making is followed by the cat being sick.
Nothing to do with fur balls either. Having had cats in the past I should know!
I agree about Dapol though. Good news :thumbsup:
Eeeeh. Cat lovers. My apologies to forum members who are. One scratched me in the face when I was seven and I nearly lost me eye. Sorry, the best one is still a flat one.
Anyway, N gauge trains is the name of the game. The NGF poll has obviously achieved it's goal, having had replies from manufacturers! Another eeek.... I'm a poet and didn't know it (poll,goal)! By the way, I have my alarm set for 5am on Saturday morning for the Olympic opening ceremony.
Cheers & meow, George :thumbsup:
No need to be catty, George ;)
I have also sent the results off to a couple of the monthly mags and to the N Gauge Society Journal.
Let's see if any of them pick up on it ???
Thanks for that. I still have not joined the NGS even though I said I was some months ago. As my wife says, I'm a gonna (big Iguana[sp?]-like lizards are common here) but she means: "gonna do this, gonna do that". I do see that they have produced a new kit of an LMS inspection coach, though. Looks good.
Just got your post that you can't see the video. I'll work on it.
Cheers! Olympics - Auusie Aussie, Aussie, Oi Oi Oi! (to be perfectly honest I don't know where my loyalties lie anymore. Sunderland FC, I guess).
Quote from: moogle on July 24, 2012, 11:38:25 PM
A flat cat is of no use to anyone and may upset some cat loving members on here.
Doormat ?
They don't have to be flat either..
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ea64/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=&CJID=2970421 (http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ea64/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=&CJID=2970421)
Quote from: EtchedPixels on July 25, 2012, 03:16:25 PM
Quote from: moogle on July 24, 2012, 11:38:25 PM
A flat cat is of no use to anyone and may upset some cat loving members on here.
Doormat ?
They don't have to be flat either..
http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ea64/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=&CJID=2970421 (http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ea64/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=&CJID=2970421)
:smiley-laughing: :thumbsup:
Had this reply from Ben Jones at Model Rail:-
Dear Mick,
Many thanks for the message and poll results. I'm afraid it's too late for the September issue (which goes to press today), but we'll do our best to find space for it in the next one. Many of the top items are similar to the MREmag wish list poll, the results of which we published a couple of months ago.
Kindest Regards
I have replied thanking Ben in advance for maybe squeezing us into the October issue, and stated it was no great surprise some of our top items matched the MREmag but that our poll was focussed purely on motive power.
Quote from: bealman on July 24, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
Eeek. Now I know why I don't like cats. Best cat is a flat cat. George :angel:
George
We currently have five cats in our household and if you had ever had the misfortune to find your beloved pet dead at the side of the road (Which I have twice) you would maybe not have posted such a comment.
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on July 25, 2012, 06:30:27 PM
We currently have five cats in our household and if you had ever had the misfortune to find your beloved pet dead at the side of the road (Which I have twice) you would maybe not have posted such a comment.
Roy
I have had that misfortune twice myself. :'( We have 11 cats, none of whom are allowed outside. The Adoption Agencies here won't allow you to let them out, partly because of cars, partly foxes and the like. I sleep better knowing they are not out there at night.
Oops, I think that is what we call off topic. Sorry.
I agree. We have strayed from the NGF poll which, thanks to NPN's hard work, appears to be getting noticed by the folk we would like it to.
However, I would still like to stress that I am not a cat lover, and never will be. I am lucky to have two eyes. Sorry, folks. Let's stick to trains, eh.
Getting Olympic warm up on TV now. Can't wait!
:wave:
I am a cat lover but many years ago was bitten by a dog on my sit-upon resulting in a tetanus course, but I harbour no evil thoughts about canines. I just don't like the varmints. Each to their own.
Quote from: bealman on July 26, 2012, 12:19:43 PM
Sorry, folks. Let's stick to trains, eh.
:wave:
Agreed :thumbsup:
Mate my wife bought a labrador for my girls when they were young (we had it put down last year; cancer) but the bloodly thing ripped up the entire garden lighting system and irrigation system I had gone to much work and expense to install. Yeah, I guess I liked it but when I hear about those Batman shootings, bombings, etc., I sometimes wonder if we put the same amount of love into people as pets..... anyway. On a positive note, two of the best weeks of my and my family's life were the two weeks in Sydney 2000 games. I thought then that if we can all get along for 2 weeks, why the hell can't we for the rest of the time. I'm sure London 2012 is going to be a hoot. Enjoy! I wish I was there.
In the meantime, let's get that Schools class out for all the Southern fans! Top job, NPN, and that's all from me on our feline fiends. Oops Friends, :beers:
With the engines near the top of the list happily being ones that are either already planned or reasonably likely to come out as RTR at some point, the flip-side of the data is potentially useful for scratch builders knowing which models would be relatively unique once built :) Ok, it's because almost nobody wants one, but a lot of those engines with 1 or 2 votes are interesting to a few other people at least.
Quote from: bealman on July 26, 2012, 12:19:43 PM
I agree. We have strayed from the NGF poll which, thanks to NPN's hard work, appears to be getting noticed by the folk we would like it to.
However, I would still like to stress that I am not a cat lover, and never will be. I am lucky to have two eyes. Sorry, folks. Let's stick to trains, eh.
Getting Olympic warm up on TV now. Can't wait!
:wave:
Fair enough - irony is our little tabby kitten (well juvenile now really) is called George!
Sticking to trains is cool - I have to say I have very little interest in the olympics (Well apart from beach volleyball maybe!) and am happy for any olympic free zone I can find!
Roy
Quote from: bealman on July 25, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
I do see that they have produced a new kit of an LMS inspection coach, though. Looks good.
Thanks for the kind comment, but just for the avoidance of doubt, the LMS Saloon is a ready-to-run model specially commissioned from Bachmann/Farish and not a kit.
The survey results were certainly passed around the NGS management team by the journal editor so I strongly suspect they will be featured in the NGS journal very soon.
Having said that although they are certainly interesting, and of interest to our members, they don't help the NGS particularly when it comes to selecting our future products since they only featured locomotives. Developing new locomotive models is prohibitively expensive and we would be unlikely to find a model we could afford with adequate appeal to enough members to justify the investment.
As an aside, for our models we would always prefer to select a model that most members want to buy one of, rather than one that a few members modelling a specific area or era would buy dozens of, even if the latter would actually sell more.
cheers
Ben A
(NGS vice president)
Hi Ben, and thanks for posting that. May I make a suggestion?
Having had 2 polls now with some similar results, how about the NGS holding a poll to establish the most desired loco/livery such that the NGS can commission a special run of a loco made by one of the manufacturers - maybe just one steam and one modern image loco. Not every livery is provided by them and you may find a run of 250 locos would be enough to maybe get an A4 in NSE livery (nah - I only said that for Tank :smiley-laughing:)
Just a thought ???