Graham Farish 2019

[AdrianC]

Scotrail 2 coach pack , TSO and BG

BUT no TSO available on its own?

I don't think there were very many MK2A TSOs at all in ScotRail, and I've only ever seen (in videos or pics I must confess) single ones in a rakes with air-con Mk2s, although these tended to be in the additional Aberdeen push-pull rakes with a DBSO, not a BG. I wonder if this was their thinking? I know there are others on here far more knowledgeable than me     

[Paddy]

The loco involved in the robbery was D326, Farish are doing it as D338

Oh I know it is the wrong number but it is the right style of Class 40.

Paddy

[njee20]

Be a bit weird frankly to avoid an entire sub-class just because of one event. Not doing the exact loco seems fair enough; I'd not expect them to make a model of the exact locos involved in any major crash, but not to avoid the entire class/livery variation.

[westie7]

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I don't think there were very many MK2A TSOs at all in ScotRail, and I've only ever seen (in videos or pics I must confess) single ones in a rakes with air-con Mk2s, although these tended to be in the additional Aberdeen push-pull rakes with a DBSO, not a BG. I wonder if this was their thinking? I know there are others on here far more knowledgeable than me     
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There was about half a dozen I think, but they were MK2 not mk2a. Have the list somewhere I'll need to dig it out

[marco neri]

..still not 90/91 re-tooled and upgrade to DCC socket?
or Mk4/new MK5?...

Marco

[trkilliman]

I'm a bit surprised they haven't given the Castle some new names/numbers.

[njee20]

..still not 90/91 re-tooled and upgrade to DCC socket?
or Mk4/new MK5?...

Can't see the 91 or mk4 being done any time soon. Mk5 is sure to be done at some point as they become more common.

90 would be great though, I imagine that'll happen at some point once they're on top of their backlog.

[AdrianC]

[quote author=AdrianC link=topic=44128.msg548837#msg548837 date=15475
I don't think there were very many MK2A TSOs at all in ScotRail, and I've only ever seen (in videos or pics I must confess) single ones in a rakes with air-con Mk2s, although these tended to be in the additional Aberdeen push-pull rakes with a DBSO, not a BG. I wonder if this was their thinking? I know there are others on here far more knowledgeable than me     

There was about half a dozen I think, but they were MK2 not mk2a. Have the list somewhere I'll need to dig it out
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I did wonder as i typed if they were mk2 not mk2a as I typed but wasn't entirely sure.

One thing for sure, I'm certainly considering pre-ordering this, and the green and cream mk1s and mk2/class 101 sets. Got memories of bagging some time round Inverness depot when the first Green and Cream mk2 coaches where stored in the old carriage shed.....

[paulprice]

I like the Parrot wagons, I could use a few of them.

I reckon eight pieces.

They're going to be crackers, a real feather in BachFar' s cap.



As you were.

They are the only thing that interests me too, perhaps a few may enter my pool of wagons.

The Bachman release for 2019 has far too much "buzz box" stuff for my liking

[emjaybee]

I like the Parrot wagons, I could use a few of them.

I reckon eight pieces.

They're going to be crackers, a real feather in BachFar' s cap.



As you were.

They are the only thing that interests me too, perhaps a few may enter my pool of wagons.

The Bachman release for 2019 has far too much "buzz box" stuff for my liking

Nice to have an more interesting LMS wagon for a change.

(Does nobody get my Parrot humour, or are they just ignoring it?)

[njee20]

Definitely ignoring it, but it was noted! ;-)

I see Hatton's newsletter includes information on all the forthcoming releases - does that mean they've resolved their "issues" with Bachmann? All the new releases have been conspicuous by their absence for the last few months!

£191 for the sound fitted 60s, that's superb! I really hope the bodies can be swapped around, would like a few of those!

Edit: also thinking out loud... they're doing the 220 in "revised Virgin livery", which I was thinking to mean either the grey doors, or the new red silk livery. But it's a 220, not a 221, which were only ever in the original Virgin livery weren't they? It's the Super Voyagers that get used on the WCML, as opposed to the 220s on Cross Country services? This is borne out by 220018 being part of the Arriva XC fleet.

[emjaybee]

Thank you for your honesty.

Still very excited by the Parrot wagons, I'm sure my excitement will be tempered when I'm still waiting in 18 months time, but hey-ho.

[Newportnobby]

(Does nobody get my Parrot humour, or are they just ignoring it?)

I'm the one who clicked on the 'Funny' button.
Beautiful plumage, the Norwegian Blue

[acko22]

Definitely ignoring it, but it was noted! ;-)

Edit: also thinking out loud... they're doing the 220 in "revised Virgin livery", which I was thinking to mean either the grey doors, or the new red silk livery. But it's a 220, not a 221, which were only ever in the original Virgin livery weren't they? It's the Super Voyagers that get used on the WCML, as opposed to the 220s on Cross Country services? This is borne out by 220018 being part of the Arriva XC fleet.

Just checking up when it was transfered to Arriva XC the name was removed so by all accounts it is right to presume that it is Revised Virgin livery

[CaleyDave]

Lots of coaches I am excited about here
Quite a few twin packs where I may have to work out what to do with the extras so I can buy even more  any one want a Scotrail BG or Wesh Highland BCK?

Will be pre-ordering the Hebridean MK2 and ex-DMU trailer. 
Hope a Regional Railways MK2 Break coach follows eventually but a rake of the standards will look good behind my renamed Highland Enterprise 37.

  I would be more tempted by the green and cream WHL pair if the TSO was also available separately so I could make something approaching a decent rake.  Or did they actually run in Break and full open pairs?  Though for Allanbrae I would prefer the current Jacobite livery - it was dark red when I rode it in 2003. 

The green and cream mk2s and 101 trailer as an observation car primarily ran on the Kyle line rather than the WHL and did run in shorter rakes at times but I can't remember the shortest formation or if it ever ran on the WHL.
Cheers Mike

Thanks for that clarification Mike.  I will look through my books and see what I can find.

Think wires might have been crossed there.
Mike is right about the Green and Cream Hebridean Mk2 and DMU being primary used on Kyle. Ideally you would need to have bought the highlander set but you could use some regional railways or blue Mk2 coaches to stand in.
The West Highland MK1 TSO and BCK, were used with the steam specials on the West Highland line. There were only 2 Break coaches (in slightly different applications of the livery) unfortunately the other one was a BSO so other than breaking sets or repainting it is difficult to make a longer rake.
When Harburn hobbies commissioned some in OO I believe they did it as a 3 pack so atleast you had a better looking length.

I don't think there were very many MK2A TSOs at all in ScotRail, and I've only ever seen (in videos or pics I must confess) single ones in a rakes with air-con Mk2s, although these tended to be in the additional Aberdeen push-pull rakes with a DBSO, not a BG. I wonder if this was their thinking? I know there are others on here far more knowledgeable than me     

There was about half a dozen I think, but they were MK2 not mk2a. Have the list somewhere I'll need to dig it out

I did wonder as i typed if they were mk2 not mk2a as I typed but wasn't entirely sure.

One thing for sure, I'm certainly considering pre-ordering this, and the green and cream mk1s and mk2/class 101 sets. Got memories of bagging some time round Inverness depot when the first Green and Cream mk2 coaches where stored in the old carriage shed.....

Yea you are right they are MK2 rather than MK2A (Not that it has bothered Farish in the past, although differences are minor)
The MK2 TSO came from the Old push pull rake which was kept on as they were unsure how reliable the DBSO would be. When reliability was better than expected they  formed the TSO with a DBSO and used them on various services. After the MK2e/d rakes arrived you were more likely to see the coaches used to strengthen the trains.

There were 5 Mk2 TSO (5146,5152,5153,5176,5197) in Scotrail and an oddball FK (13424) from the same rake which was repainted just in time to be scrapped.

The BG were introduced for the launch of the Glasgow-Aberdeen service but wandered on to the Edinburgh-Aberdeen turns and as use declined were scattered about the UK. Seen pictures of them in Transpennine Rake and Parcels trains in Cornwall.

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(I will resisted refering to the "mk2" as a "mk2z" as despite the Z being in the TOPS code and making the conversations easier to follow people get upset)
TSO - Tourist Standard Open, BG - Brake Guard, FK - First Corridor, BCK - Brake composite corridor, BSO - Brake standard open, DBSO - Driving Brake Standard Open