Now I have decided what rolling stock I would like for my layout I am struggling to find who makes what and if what I am after actually exists ;D
Other then going and buying manufactures catalogs is there any other way to determine what is available off the shelf. Seems to be a bit of a minefield online
:thankyousign:
Catalogues, manufacturers websites, and stockists are probably the most immediately available ways.
Bachmann have done a list of what they've made - I don't have the link to hand, but sure someone else will post.
There are also Ramsay's guides books, but these are expensive and riddled with errors.
Finally, what are you actually after - post it here and folks will quickly advise.
Cheers,
Alan
Minefield is right. Dapol and Farish both manufacture in "batches" which means that even relatively new items may be hard to find new and you may need to resort to eBay or similar. This can get even more complicated if there is more than one generation of an item and you need to make sure you are getting what you think.
For example, Graham Farish sell the GWR Castle class locomotive. The current model is DCC-ready and is pretty much up to date and a fine representation of what you can expect from a modern model of a steam engine. However up until a few years ago, Farish mad a much older version of the Castle with a die-cast body, undersized wheels and no facility for DCC.
You want to make sure if you think you are ordering this
(https://images.railsofsheffield.com/product-images.axd/IMG_6085190417.jpg)
that you do not end up with this (unless you like the model for its vintage qualities of course ;) ).
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/1445Farish_3116938_Qty1_1.jpg)
Cheers guys
@Karhedron (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=207) exactly. Thought I had found what I wanted on eBay but upon closer inspection it was an old model that was no where near as good as the current generation. And yes the batches thing makes it very confusing.
Current top of my list is a rail freight petroleum sector locomotive that is DCC ready. Haven't found one that perfectly fits this criteria yet.
Also some appropriate wagons. Although Hereford models seem to list a limited edition set of weathered pca Shell tanks that look good and have caught my eye.
A few years back I thought about creating a website based on the "My Car Needs a..." i.e. "My Layout Needs a...". It would bring modellers with "wants" together with sellers. Over the years, I have found that there is an awful lot of stock sat on retailers shelves long after the "known" retailers have sold out. I suppose you could call it eBay. :D
Paddy
Dapol produce a nice class 56 in Railfreight Sector livery. I can't see one in Petroleum sector livery but you would always put transfers on a Construction sector one. Farish are producing 37 428 'DAVID LLOYD GEORGE' BR Petroleum sector livery. It is not available yet but if you are willing to wait, it will fit the bill when it (finally) arrives. They are also doing 31 319 in this livery but again, it is not out yet.
Farish do a Class 60 in petrol sector livery but this is a slightly older model which does not include features like a DCC socket. I don't know how important this would be to you.
And speaking of eBay I have found something close to what I am after ;D
Would just be good to know if there is anything even closer as well haha
The N Gauge Society has a list in its handbook of who makes which locomotive. It covers liveries and running numbers, but not whatever's under the bonnet.
A similar directory for coaches and wagons would be helpful, especially if it covered kits and 3D prints also. A structure like that of Paul Bartlett's Wagon Site (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/BR%20wagons) would make sense. No one's going to populate it, but suppliers might contribute their own items.
Mike
Hattons used to be a very useful source of information on what is available off the shelf, until they had a bust-up with Farish and no longer stock Farish products! I suppose Rails of Sheffield could be an alternative, though you have to look under each manufacturer.
And none of the online retailers stock Union Mills steam locos to my knowledge.
As Karhedron said, Farish do a petroleum 60, it need a chip soldering into it (the early variant of Farish's "DCC ready"), but it's not too bad. And yes, there is a forthcoming 37, which is properly DCC ready, but no date yet.
There never were any petroleum 56s, so whilst you could add the correct logos to a construction/coal one it would be fictitious.
Edit: not quite true, there was one, 56036. Others were assigned to trainload petroleum, but never received the livery.
This website here:
http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
Is a very good resource, although it continues to be a work in progress, but helpfully it list Catalogue numbers against each livery and notes whether it is an early model or a re-tooled model, for much of its content which will help you identify items for sale by cross checking the item number.
Best
Scott
I believe 37428 was allocated to cardiff canton. I googled ripple lane . 37892 worked out of barking ripple lane 9 mile out of fenchurch street as did 37681 . class37info.uk
Another very good one I have found is www.modelraildatabase.com . I covers OO gauge aswell.
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 06, 2019, 03:20:56 PM
This website here:
http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://www.ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
Scott
I've been looking for something like that, brilliant! Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: gavin_t on November 06, 2019, 01:49:46 PM
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Other then going and buying manufactures catalogs is there any other way to determine what is available off the shelf.
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If you want to know what's available today, you'll need
2014's catalogues! :D
We need what librarians call a 'Union Catalogue' which aggregates multiple collections. In our context that means not having to know the manufacturer first, you just search for "BR Mk. 1 Coach", "GWR Fruit", etc, and get results across all suppliers.
As mentioned, RTR models are well covered, but also quite well known. It's the kits that are often the unknown unknowns.
Mike
Up until a couple of years ago, I bought "Britain's model railways" published annually by Model Rail magazine, and available from newsagents.
I thought it was very good, covering every gauge, locos, wagons and coaches. There were reviews of each model, too.
Quote from: RailGooner on November 06, 2019, 08:52:49 PM
Quote from: gavin_t on November 06, 2019, 01:49:46 PM
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Other then going and buying manufactures catalogs is there any other way to determine what is available off the shelf.
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If you want to know what's available today, you'll need 2014's catalogues! :D
Tell that to the A/C Mk2s in my 2014 Farish catalogue...
FWIW I have a list of lists (possibly incomplete) here (https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/model-railways/blog/lists-of-n-scale-models.html).
Quote from: railsquid on November 06, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
FWIW I have a list of lists (possibly incomplete) here (https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/model-railways/blog/lists-of-n-scale-models.html).
Thank you - that seems very comprehensive!
Mike
Quote from: Karhedron on November 06, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Dapol produce a nice class 56 in Railfreight Sector livery. I can't see one in Petroleum sector livery but you would always put transfers on a Construction sector one. Farish are producing 37 428 'DAVID LLOYD GEORGE' BR Petroleum sector livery. It is not available yet but if you are willing to wait, it will fit the bill when it (finally) arrives. They are also doing 31 319 in this livery but again, it is not out yet.
Farish do a Class 60 in petrol sector livery but this is a slightly older model which does not include features like a DCC socket. I don't know how important this would be to you.
Thanks for the info. The 31 could be of interest.
I have seen Class 60 Charles Babbage but as you say is not DCC ready. I have sent an enquiry to a company to get a cost for conversion and to see if it was worth while.
If not I am wondering if a class 47 in the rail freight distribution livery would fit my needs as GF do a nice DCC model. Just unsure of the loads the distribution ones would be pulling and if a rake of tankers would ever be seen behind one...
Quote from: gavin_t on November 07, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
If not I am wondering if a class 47 in the rail freight distribution livery would fit my needs as GF do a nice DCC model. Just unsure of the loads the distribution ones would be pulling and if a rake of tankers would ever be seen behind one...
Distribution ones tended to handle things like container traffic. However as always, locos were sent where they were needed. I would not be surprised if one hauled tankers at some point, even if just covering for a breakdown.
(http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/47/47_0/Railfreight/SD3389.JPG)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7099/13668225285_cc40ef32f5_b.jpg)
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2018/post-4474-0-62330900-1522867192.jpg)
(https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/images/1024/1990/12/2752.jpg)
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/M6F2CY/a-class-47-diesel-locomotive-number-47186-catcliffe-demon-working-M6F2CY.jpg)
Quote from: njee20 on November 06, 2019, 03:09:10 PM
As Karhedron said, Farish do a petroleum 60, it need a chip soldering into it (the early variant of Farish's "DCC ready"), but it's not too bad. And yes, there is a forthcoming 37, which is properly DCC ready, but no date yet.
There never were any petroleum 56s, so whilst you could add the correct logos to a construction/coal one it would be fictitious.
Edit: not quite true, there was one, 56036. Others were assigned to trainload petroleum, but never received the livery.
Think I need to look into the older farish class 60 and see if it could work out. Other then not been properly DCC ready is it also the older tooling and running gear?
Gavin for class 31 liveries i googled that railalbum.co.uk came up. For class 37 google br class 37 then look iat the rmweb pages class 37 liveries class 37 Group
Quote from: Karhedron on November 07, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Quote from: gavin_t on November 07, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
If not I am wondering if a class 47 in the rail freight distribution livery would fit my needs as GF do a nice DCC model. Just unsure of the loads the distribution ones would be pulling and if a rake of tankers would ever be seen behind one...
Distribution ones tended to handle things like container traffic. However as always, locos were sent where they were needed. I would not be surprised if one hauled tankers at some point, even if just covering for a breakdown.
(http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/diesel/47/47_0/Railfreight/SD3389.JPG)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7099/13668225285_cc40ef32f5_b.jpg)
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_04_2018/post-4474-0-62330900-1522867192.jpg)
(https://www.tauntontrains.co.uk/images/1024/1990/12/2752.jpg)
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/M6F2CY/a-class-47-diesel-locomotive-number-47186-catcliffe-demon-working-M6F2CY.jpg)
Excellent info and pics 8)
That is what I had suspected, plus that would also give me more flexibility to run other train types behind it without looking out of place.
Liking the look of this farish one :D comes in the early livery I wanted too!
Would still like to get a 60 at a later date though
Quote from: railsquid on November 06, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
FWIW I have a list of lists (possibly incomplete) here (https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/model-railways/blog/lists-of-n-scale-models.html).
Fantastic resource!
:thankyousign:
Quote from: gavin_t on November 07, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on November 06, 2019, 02:17:21 PM
Dapol produce a nice class 56 in Railfreight Sector livery. I can't see one in Petroleum sector livery but you would always put transfers on a Construction sector one. Farish are producing 37 428 'DAVID LLOYD GEORGE' BR Petroleum sector livery. It is not available yet but if you are willing to wait, it will fit the bill when it (finally) arrives. They are also doing 31 319 in this livery but again, it is not out yet.
Farish do a Class 60 in petrol sector livery but this is a slightly older model which does not include features like a DCC socket. I don't know how important this would be to you.
Thanks for the info. The 31 could be of interest.
I have seen Class 60 Charles Babbage but as you say is not DCC ready. I have sent an enquiry to a company to get a cost for conversion and to see if it was worth while.
It is DCC ready, just doesn't have a socket, you have to hard wire a decoder. There are lots of wired decoders for this purpose though. It's the exact same model as those with a socket, and a very nice model indeed, one of their best IMO.
What British N Gauge seems to need is an equivalent of the brilliant Spookshow site for US N Scale:
http://www.spookshow.net/index.html (http://www.spookshow.net/index.html)
Hi Gavin,
I wouldn't get to hung up on having matching wagons to correct sub sector liveried locos. Depots often had different sub sectors operating out of them, so the depot would provide a suitable loco for the train, not necessarily one liveried in the correct sub sector markings. Also locos got transferred between sub sectors and depots, so ran for a time with a different sub sector logo for what the loco was allocated to. A prime example was Cardiff Canton. Where I grew up on the south coast, we had a regular LPG train from Furzebrook on the old Swanage branch to Hallen Marsh. It was a Canton operated Petroleum sub sector train, class 60 hauled for some years, we quite often had Coal, Construction and Metals sub sector branded 60's on this working and occasionally Petroleum!
https://flic.kr/p/CjnDZA
https://flic.kr/p/gvdR11
https://flic.kr/p/QdFPQ1
If you are after a Farish 60, then Rails of Sheffield have the Coal sector one on offer at £79.50, which is a good price, I have no link with Rails apart from being a satisfied customer.
Regards,
Keith.
@Crompton Power (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5316) thanks for that :D
Answered some questions I had and was thinking of running a 60 with some shell PCA tanks so those pictures are great to see
:greatpicturessign:
Shell tankers are probably TTAs, the PCAs are the cement/dry powder ones, which Farish do also do!
There are quite a lot of deals on Farish 60s; they've announced a new version which will be sound ready. It remains to be seen if there are any other changes, and if the body will the same simply with a modified chassis (which would be my assumption). As I say I think it's one of their best models, and probably their absolute best in haulage terms, so I hope they don't ruin it!
Maybe tea tankers but wo nt argue with the tta. Re the pca wagons. I googled pca wagons. C-rail-intermodal.co.uk, https://realtrackmodels.co.uk. Both nicks and my ideas could work. Nick would know suppliers. I just know the flows and operations
There are loads of different PCAs (including the stunning ones that Accurascale are doing), but the metalair ones look very similar to TTAs. As you say there are TEAs, but they're bogie wagons.
Maybe I meant tta.
Anyway specifically These http://herefordmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=369_371_560_561&products_id=10535 (http://herefordmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=369_371_560_561&products_id=10535)
Now do I go for the good deal on the coal livery 60. Or the distribution liveried 47 :-\
Might go with the 60 as I haven't had a 60 before.
Those are Peco wagons, which are a bit of a generic wagon, rather than being an accurate depiction of anything. They're cheap though!
I've always had a soft spot for 60s, but they didn't tend to stray to the south east all that often, so a 47 may be technically more accurate or widespread.
Could just get both. You'll need them in the fullness of time...!
Quote from: njee20 on November 07, 2019, 10:52:57 PM
Those are Peco wagons, which are a bit of a generic wagon, rather than being an accurate depiction of anything. They're cheap though!
I've always had a soft spot for 60s, but they didn't tend to stray to the south east all that often, so a 47 may be technically more accurate or widespread.
Could just get both. You'll need them in the fullness of time...!
Hmmm both does sound good, you are a bad influence ;D
The peco set did seem a good way to get a rake of wagons easily and fairly cheap. Although I am going to pop to the local shop this weekend as I am sure they were doing a load of farish bogie tankers for £10 each a little while ago.
I do like 60's but as you say I can't find much evidence of them coming down this way. One shot on one on a special charter in London and another in Ipswich. Believe they were all based at Toton?
The 47 would suit well but I plan to get a 47 with the capital connect NSE set and am trying to get a variety. So think a 60 maybe the way to go and just wing it with its appearance. Plus it is a good deal at that price at the mo :D
I'm not totally sure where your layout is based, much of the South East didn't really have much freight beyond some aggregates flows and engineering trains, if that. Other paths, like Southampton-Midlands have always had more; cars, containers, oil etc.
Class 60s were pretty common on these flows, and were not uncommon around Eastleigh. So base your model around there and you have a far better choice of stock!
Your right about the aggregate flows, engineering trains. The freightliner traings gavin wishes are tilbury, felixstowe, dagenham bound or start from those points which would of / use ( d ) the north london lines. Class 60s were toton, cardiff based and often stabled at leicester, immingham, tinsley. Also barking ripple lane had seruices. A 47 would be idealfreightliner. A 60 would have been seen at r. Lane
Quote from: njee20 on November 08, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
I'm not totally sure where your layout is based, much of the South East didn't really have much freight beyond some aggregates flows and engineering trains, if that. Other paths, like Southampton-Midlands have always had more; cars, containers, oil etc.
Class 60s were pretty common on these flows, and were not uncommon around Eastleigh. So base your model around there and you have a far better choice of stock!
To be fair mine is a fictional setting with a nod to the southeast as I want to model NSE stock as that is what I remember seeing growing up.
Mainly want to ensure that the stock I run is of the same era and could have feasibly been see running together :)
Mainly considered a petroleum sector train as my local line the London, Tilbury and southend used to carry the trains from shell haven refinery. Although other then leaving stanford le hope and arriving in Wales I a struggling to find any more info on the route they took.
Thanks for all your input so far by the way :thankyousign:
Gavin. Im sure you would have seen the shell haven, coryton to pembroke oil tanks ran via ripple lane, barking , gospel oak, north london line, west junction. Acton , great western mainline, ,swindon, bristol parkway, westerleigh, severn tunnel, newport . Cardiff avoiding line. Ripple lane 37 or 60 on the oil tanks. 47 freightliner. Hope helps
Ideal :thankyousign:
From memory rmweb type in freight on the tilbury loop. Class 47 would have hauled the dagenham ford autoomotive ipa cartics. Stone trains ran to dagenham purfleet west thurrock, freightliner to dagenham tilbury london gateway felixstowe , mod vaa, vea to shoeburyness, cement west thurrock, scrap, spoil at barking, cement train to thurrock. Maybe odd 31. Class 37 and 60 on thames haven via ripple lane barking tottenham hampstead north london line. Routes onto acton and willesden
Not cheap, but Farish have just released a new variation of the the TEA bogie tanker appropriate for the early 90s. Would look awesome with a petroleum 60!
Quote from: njee20 on November 08, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
Not cheap, but Farish have just released a new variation of the the TEA bogie tanker appropriate for the early 90s. Would look awesome with a petroleum 60!
Is that the one that is doing the magazine review rounds at the moment? If so yes it looks awesome!. Bit pricey though as you say once you have a few of them!
Yes, it will be. They've been out a few months.