As Mick has gone to the Warrington show today the announcements made by DJModels at the N Gauge Forum meet-up yesterday at Bamber Bridge will appear here at 1200 BST.
This thread is locked until that time
DJModels Ltd Press release
Firstly let me update you all on progress of DJModels products as of this moment.
N gauge
Class 17, 23 and J94 are all now in the tool room with the Class 17 scheduled to be the first release.
With Chinese New Year in the way of production, I expect to unveil this new model at Ally Pally in late March 2016 with stock hopefully on the high seas by then.
The 23 and J94 will then follow at around 2-3 months space between them so as not to flood the market and to aid cash flow for DJM.
Other locomotives announced are in final cad/cam design and should be in a position to be shown in late November.
NEW wagon projects listed further on...
OO Gauge
J94 is in deco stage and I hope to have something to show around the time of Warley of both commissioned models and DJM versions. Once approved they will go into production immediately.
Class 71, is now in second EP tooling, and I should also be showing this in painted form around the time of the Warley Show.
Class 74, is now in design and will not be for 12 months or so (projected).
Q6 and Hudswell Clarke are moving on in leaps and bounds and I should have cad/cams of both visible for public consumption / comments in late November.
O gauge loco's are ready for tooling but are pending cash flow to be allocated to their tooling costs.
BIG NEWS!
Despite my saying for a few years now that I would not touch rolling stock due to it's smaller return for quite a large outlay. However, I have done a deal with a new (for me) and respected factory, that currently makes for 3 very well known model railway companies (2 in mainland Europe) to produce 5 N gauge wagons at what I consider to be a very reasonable price.
It's worth noting that all 5 have been cad/cam designed and 1 is, as I write, in the tool room with a release date for March 2016*.
These are noted on attached pages to this release, but I will list them here..............
Shark 20t Plough van (Awaiting Tooling)
Mermaid Ballast wagon (*in Tooling)
Turbot Bogie ballast wagon (final cad/cam design)
Bogie Bolster E (final cad/cam design)
LSWR Road Van (Awaiting tooling)
Orders for these wagons can be taken by your DJM stockist from Monday and a full list of liveries and running numbers /product codes are available via the DJModels web site, RMweb and the modelling press.
The Mermaid and the Turbot will benefit from my 'Quick load' ballast system. Simply put it's accurately moulded ballast load that can be unloaded from each wagon without taking the wagon off the rails by using a stick with a magnet on it to lift each load out quickly and easily, allowing a 'return' unloaded service train to run.
More to follow
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30496.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30496)
ZUV Shark 20Ton N gauge ballast plough
Featuring Close coupling mechanism, profile darkend wheel sets, NEM coupling box, Replacement Snowploughs (without coupling gap), Veranda detail. RRP£19.95
The perfect wagon for ballast trains and is at home 'top and tail' of a rake of ballast wagons.
BR Black with Straw lining and Lettering
DJM-N-RS-100001A DB993900 'Llynclys Junction'
DJM-N-RS-100001B DB993722
DJM-N-RS-100001C DB993989 'Lydney'
BR Indian Red with white lettering
DJM-N-RS-100002A DB993921 'Nuneaton, Abbey Street'
DJM-N-RS-100002B DB993914 'Croft Junction, Darlington'
DJM-N-RS-100002C DB993775 'Perth'
DJM-N-RS-100002D DB993828 'Doncaster'
BR Olive Green
DJM-N-RS-100003A DB993850 'Return To Meldon Quarry'
DJM-N-RS-100003B DB993726
DJM-N-RS-100003C DB993791
DJM-N-RS-100003D DB993745
Non Branded EWS Maroon
DJM-N-RS-100004A DB993902 (with chevrons 1 end only)
Non Branded Loadhaul Black & Orange
DJM-N-RS-100005A DB993882 (Yellow overhead warning flash)
DJM-N-RS-100005B DB993876 (chevrons & yellow overhead warning flash)
Engineers Grey & Yellow (Dutch)
DJM-N-RS-100006A DB993711 (Red overhead warning flash)
DJM-N-RS-100006B DB993916 (yellow overhead warning flash)
DJM-N-RS-100006C DB993717 (Red Overhead Warning flash)
DJM-N-RS-100006D DB993831 (Yellow overhead flash, labelled 'RUQ')
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30493.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30493)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30494.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30494)
ZJO / ZJV 'Mermaid' N gauge Ballast wagon. RRP£19.95
Featuring NEM couplers, Close Coupling mechanism, partially see through chassis, fully detailed interior and exterior, Darkened profile wheels, Removable 'quick load* ' moulded ballast.
GWR and BR versions modelled. Authentic liveries, some with weathering**, multi packs available** with different running numbers (**to follow).
*Quick Load, is a quick way to load and unload the plastic ballast load using a simple magnet on a stick. No more taking each wagon off the rails to unload.
Black with Straw lettering
DJM-N-RS-100010A ZJO DW100022
DJM-N-RS-100010B ZJO DW100045
DJM-N-RS-100010C ZJO DW100048
DJM-N-RS-100010D ZJO DW100051
Indian Red
DJM-N-RS-100011A ZJV DB989176
DJM-N-RS-100011B ZJV DB989228
Olive Green
DJM-N-RS-100012A ZJV DB989014
DJM-N-RS-100012B ZJV DB989088
DJM-N-RS-100012C ZJV DB989089
DJM-N-RS-100012D ZJV DB989153
Engineers Grey / Yellow 'Dutch'
DJM-N-RS-100013A ZJV DB989097
DJM-N-RS-100013B ZJV DB989117
DJM-N-RS-100013C ZJV DB989466
DJM-N-RS-100013D ZJV DB989484
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30495.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30495)
N Gauge YCV 'Turbot' Bogie ballast wagon
This much needed wagon in N gauge is in the later stages of cad/cam design and should be in stores around mid 2016.
RRP £25.95
This model will be available in Engineers Grey / Yellow 'Dutch' livery, EWS Maroon Livery
Please note this model will not be increased in size to the OO range.
Featuring profile darkened wheels,
NEM coupling pocket, Close coupling, separate steps and handrails, separate ballast load with 'quick load' feature'.
Close coupling (if possible), and internal detail
DJModels N gauge YCV 'Turbot' bogie ballast wagon.
Engineers Grey / Yellow 'Dutch' Livery
DMJ-N-RS-100020A DB978177
DJM-N-RS-100020B DB978211
DJM-N-RS-100020C DB978351
DJM-N-RS-100020D DB978672
EWS Branded Maroon Livery
DJM-N-RS-100021A DB978356
DJM-N-RS-100021B DB978671
DJM-N-RS-100021C DB978705
DJM-N-RS-100021D DB978742
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30492.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30492)
N Gauge LSRW Road Van RRP £22.50
Since designing this for Kernow Model Rail Centre and seeing it in the flesh, I have wanted to produce a model in N gauge.
So this is, in all honesty, a personal choice, rather than a profit led one. Mind you it's one of those 'I don't need one, but I want one' projects.
Many thanks to Kernow for allowing me to use their laser scan for this model, which features darkened profile wheels, NEM coupling, Close Coupling and separate handrails (where possible)
DJM-N-RS-100030A pre-1936 SR livery (Brown with large lettering) 54779
DJM-N-RS-100030B pre-1936 SR livery (Brown with large lettering) 54885
DJM-N-RS-100031A SR livery (brown with small lettering in bottom left hand corner) 59930
DJM-N-RS-100032A BR Grey S45730
DJM-N-RS-100032B BR Grey S54663
DJM-N-RS-100032C BR Grey S54924
Quote from: Caz on October 18, 2015, 12:00:00 PM
DJModels Ltd Press release
Embargo'd until Sunday at 12.00 (noon)
Firstly let me update you all on progress of DJModels products as of this moment.
N gauge
Class 17, 23
For those of us watching in colour, the Class 17 is the centre-cab Clayton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_17) and the 23 is the "Baby Deltic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_23)" (had to look that up as I had no idea what the class number was).
Will it only be the Mermaids that will be offered as weathered, and is the intention to use a Mercig master or will this be a simple single colour wash?
Thanks for posting these Caz, Was there any info for the bogie bolster E?
Cheers
Mark
No sorry, didn't receive any info on that, hopefully Dave @DJM Dave (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2882) will come along later and add some info.
Are this the same type of Mermaid that currently is crowd funded on Kickstarter ?
see: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0)
Is this duplication? Is the Kickstarter project dead now? Just wondering....
Was wondering the same thing.
If the DJM 'Mermaid' has been brewing for a while it would have been nice if someone from DJM had had a quiet word with someone at CRS. At the very least it'd have given CRS the option of coming up with something else.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: MacRat on October 18, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Are this the same type of Mermaid that currently is crowd funded on Kickstarter ?
see: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0)
Is this duplication? Is the Kickstarter project dead now? Just wondering....
Looking forward to seeing these. :thumbsup:
Will there be room for a chip and a speaker in the ZUV to play the jaws theme as it exits the storage yard Dave?
Love the LSWR road van.
Was there talk of a Hudswell-Clarke 0-6-0ST coming out???
Quote from: EtchedPixels on October 18, 2015, 01:22:35 PM
Love the LSWR road van.
I bet Gareth Collier will love it more than you Alan !
Best regards,
Joe
I'll probably go for an LSWR road van or two.
Quote from: NeMo on October 18, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
Was wondering the same thing.
If the DJM 'Mermaid' has been brewing for a while it would have been nice if someone from DJM had had a quiet word with someone at CRS. At the very least it'd have given CRS the option of coming up with something else.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: MacRat on October 18, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Are this the same type of Mermaid that currently is crowd funded on Kickstarter ?
see: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0)
Is this duplication? Is the Kickstarter project dead now? Just wondering....
Given the lack of funding that seems to have be offered on this, it look dead even before this announcement.
another blow for society kits !!!
Quote from: EtchedPixels on October 18, 2015, 01:22:35 PM
Love the LSWR road van.
Me too! Is the BR Grey livery right for late 1950s/early 60s, or would weatherbeaten SR brown be more appropriate?
Firstly my grateful thanks to Caz for posting DJ Models announcements bang on the dot of noon :claphappy: (especially as it allowed me to get to the Warrington Show)
Quote from: Kris on October 18, 2015, 01:46:35 PM
Quote from: NeMo on October 18, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
Was wondering the same thing.
If the DJM 'Mermaid' has been brewing for a while it would have been nice if someone from DJM had had a quiet word with someone at CRS. At the very least it'd have given CRS the option of coming up with something else.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: MacRat on October 18, 2015, 01:03:51 PM
Are this the same type of Mermaid that currently is crowd funded on Kickstarter ?
see: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24895.0)
Is this duplication? Is the Kickstarter project dead now? Just wondering....
Given the lack of funding that seems to have be offered on this, it look dead even before this announcement.
It is pointless us speculating on what has transpired so I'd suggest any and all enquiries regarding the 'history' behind both Mermaids should be addressed via PM to both Richard and Dave as no one has the facts apart from them.
Quote from: msr on October 18, 2015, 12:12:29 PM
Will it only be the Mermaids that will be offered as weathered, and is the intention to use a Mercig master or will this be a simple single colour wash?
When I asked Dave about the weathered Mermaids he replied they would be the second tranche of the issue. I believe Mercig will be used for the master.
Quote from: glenng on October 18, 2015, 01:25:42 PM
Was there talk of a Hudswell-Clarke 0-6-0ST coming out???
Dave is concentrating on the Class 17 (which should be seen at Alley Pally), the class 23 (2 months after the class 17) and the J94 (2 months after the class 23) on the basis he wants folks to have something to have/run as soon as poss.
A Q6, GW Mogul and a Hudswell-Clarke are some ways off whilst more information on them is being gathered.
At our meet up, Dave also promised to look into the cost of adding train crew each end of diesels/electrics, although this could well prove to be cost prohibitive (result of a question from the attendees)
Thanks Mick.. Hope you had a good day in Warrington.
Did Dave give you any information about the Bogie Bolster E?
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: scruff on October 18, 2015, 03:34:45 PM
Thanks Mick.. Hope you had a good day in Warrington.
Did Dave give you any information about the Bogie Bolster E?
Cheers
Mark
Hi Mark,
I'm just sorting the pics from Warrington so, I'm sorry, but it will be picture heavy.
All Dave said about the Bogie Bolster E is that it, along with the Turbot at the same time in various liveries (no timescale available). I note he has not put these announcements on his website yet but would suggest keeping an eye on it.
Thanks Mick,
Looking forward to the pics! the heavier the better!
Cheers
Mark
The news on the Class 17s is excellent. I am thinking the timeline for delivery looks challenging if only now in tooling but Dave knows his business well enough to be confident it is "doable" I am sure.
The PW wagons together form a logical approach. The "Shark" in particular I am sure will be a popular model and although it has been an NGS kit for years, in my view everything has it's shelf life and arguably this was ripe for the picking as an RTR model. If Dave hadn't announced it odds are it would have been on somebody else's radar.
As to duplication of the "Mermaid", it is indeed unfortunate that Richard's time in planning the Kickstarter has been potentially wasted but realistically even before Dave's announcement, hitting the funding target was looking less likely. It looks pretty clear that Dave must have already had this model in his plans for some time given it is already through CAD and into tooling so he has clearly invested a not insignificant amount of time and money. It is not the first time something like this has happened and will surely not be the last - just the way it goes on occasion...
Roy
Many thanks for the updates from DJM.
Real shame about the 'duplication' of the Mermaid.
With the news from Dave and others, it looks like my railway budget is going to get a real bashing during the first half of 2016!
Dave G
Quote from: Roy L S on October 18, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
As to duplication of the "Mermaid", it is indeed unfortunate that Richard's time in planning the Kickstarter has been potentially wasted but realistically even before Dave's announcement, hitting the funding target was looking less likely. It looks pretty clear that Dave must have already had this model in his plans for some time given it is already through CAD and into tooling so he has clearly invested a not insignificant amount of time and money. It is not the first time something like this has happened and will surely not be the last - just the way it goes on occasion...
Roy
Yes indeed, so very well said !
My first reaction was "why couldnt ... get together with ... "
but I soon realised that there is no mechanism to do so, nor in the commercial world is there likely to be (or am I wrong ?)
My second reaction is, if there is so little interest in a Kickstarter Mermaid,, is this because of a reluctance to 'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
Or is it a lack of interest in the Mermaid per se , in which case DJ has a problem of cash flow :(
To distinguish between the two a mechanism to talk first would avoid sadness in so many areas ? !
Gosh,,,
there are so few of us 'wanting'
and so few who can supply
( I mean in a capitalist supply and demand world)
one has to wonder if there isnt a better way ?
I know, a centrally directed economy, lets not go there, lol !
Oh, that's a shame, I was about to post a similar sympathy message in the Kickstarter thread, 'pour encourage les autres'
but it has been locked :(
Oh well.
I'll go back to sleep.
[admin]Feel free to PM Richard. I'm sure he'd be grateful to hear from you and anyone else. - Tank[/admin]
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on October 18, 2015, 07:22:09 PM
As to duplication of the "Mermaid", it is indeed unfortunate that Richard's time in planning the Kickstarter has been potentially wasted but realistically even before Dave's announcement, hitting the funding target was looking less likely. It looks pretty clear that Dave must have already had this model in his plans for some time given it is already through CAD and into tooling so he has clearly invested a not insignificant amount of time and money. It is not the first time something like this has happened and will surely not be the last - just the way it goes on occasion...
Roy
Yes indeed, so very well said !
My first reaction was "why couldnt ... get together with ... "
but I soon realised that there is no mechanism to do so, nor in the commercial world is there likely to be (or am I wrong ?)
My second reaction is, if there is so little interest in a Kickstarter Mermaid,, is this because of a reluctance to 'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
Or is it a lack of interest in the Mermaid per se , in which case DJ has a problem of cash flow :(
To distinguish between the two a mechanism to talk first would avoid sadness in so many areas ? !
Gosh,,,
there are so few of us 'wanting'
and so few who can supply
( I mean in a capitalist supply and demand world)
one has to wonder if there isnt a better way ?
I know, a centrally directed economy, lets not go there, lol !
Hi
I would have been interested in the Mermaids but having invested in eight Stephen Harris kits several years ago. I've built four with the fifth one on the shortlist for my next project I cannot justify replacing these with a RTR version at twice the price plus they have a very good open chassis that I think will be difficult to replicate with a plastic moulding.
As for the Shark again I have all I need having built three of the NGS kits many years ago.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on October 18, 2015, 10:39:51 PMerrr
Snips the quote getting any bigger ;)
Well actually not being a great student of things railway post about '50s and forgetting such little as I did then know ! I would not have known from the DJM 'megga embargoed news' that I wanted a Mermaid.
However, having previously read Richards excellent description of what and where they were, I knew ( as a late entrant to the field of modelling ) that I do now ( would have ?) want(ed) some ,,, if you follow !
eeek the tangled webs we do weave,
so maybe there will be enough entrants to the market to make a success of Dave's brave? effort and that Richards 'formally' monicker will not grow too much larger ?
dear me , , ,
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:33:49 PM
Feel free to PM Richard. I'm sure he'd be grateful to hear from you and anyone else. - Tank
Yep, I'm sure, but that aint the point of a forum is it ? :laugh3: :laugh3:
The forum is a community where we can communicate. The Private Message button does that. :P ;D
Quote from: Tank on October 18, 2015, 10:58:59 PM
The forum is a community where we can communicate. The Private Message button does that. :P ;D
;D
but I dont know him,
so being English (sort of) I would not presume to inflict myself personally upon him (and thereby deprive you all of my wisdom !)
:laugh: :bounce:
where's the wicked emoticon gone when one needs it ?
Quote from: Only Me on October 18, 2015, 11:30:04 PM
Unfortunately I guess business is business... Ford and bmw dont share ideas or info in the next release, neither will any smaller cottage industry.
Sadly I think it is so but rather 'personalities are personalities'
we are hardly comprable to Ford and BMW !
In such a small world as ours there is no room for attempts at exclusivity ?
I would have thought there would be mutual benifit if a common mechanism,
could be, , ,
oh dream on Malcolm.
I am going to embargo myself from reading any further 'stuff' till middle next year when there may be a prospect of actually buying summat ! (what an exersize in pointlessness that'all was :) )
Well,
A brave list to bring to market, I too have Harris and NGS Kits for the models that Dave has listed so cannot see me spending straight away, Still waiting on 17 and 23 but understand cashflow arguement.
However the Road van is a great project and certainly as a rotting static will look good in a siding, never new Old Oak/ Elm had one site !!
I look forward to seeing something arrive.
Robert
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
My second reaction is, if there is so little interest in a Kickstarter Mermaid,, is this because of a reluctance to 'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
Not sure you're right on that, Malcolm, as in any such project there is no 'putting up front' until the target has been achieved and the item
will be produced, purely an expression of interest.
Quote from: newportnobby on October 19, 2015, 09:34:11 AM
Not sure you're right on that,
there is no 'putting up front'
Yes, no, but :D , you are right I agree, but I was speculating on how other punters might think and I did give an 'or' ! :)
and yes, what you say is worth saying again :thumbsup:
Nevertheless, something on the shelf when you potter about in a shop can have an attraction almost as great as the Strong Nuclear Force ;D
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:22:58 PM
My second reaction is, if there is so little interest in a Kickstarter Mermaid,, is this because of a reluctance to 'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
Hello Malcolm,
That's a good point.
The Pendolino succeeded (albeit post Kickstarter) because enough people had the vision to see that it was the only way. They had to show a degree of faith in order to see the production of a model that would otherwise simply not have seen the light of day, for all the reasons previously mentioned.
Those who helped us forward now have not only the joy of a new model to look forward to, but also the knowledge, whenever they look at it in the future, that it would not have happened without their personal involvement.
The same holds true for the Revolution TEA tankers, which are now in tooling as well.
For the Class 320/321 EMUs and 21/29 diesels we are at a similar position - they just won't happen unless people decide to work with us.
This is a new way of working, and I appreciate it will not be to everyone's taste. Unfortunately, for some items considered niche, it is either do it together ourselves or go without.
The upside is that by using the internet together we can make things happen that we actually want, rather than what the manufacturers decide we want.
The downside is that for crowd-sourced models, due to the nature of the funding method, there will never be that "browsing in the shop" moment - you have to take the opportunity now, or you miss out.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on October 19, 2015, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:22:58 PM'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
either do it together ourselves or go without.
Indeed so Ben, very well said,,, heads and knocking together are other words that come to mind !
may I backtrack a bit, to what NPN picked up on, I was not just meaning money up front, there is the small matter of making a decision so far ahead, indeed some of us may not be here when some of these projects come to maturity !! Oh, praps I should put that in the "Jokes" section ? ???
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 19, 2015, 12:35:41 PM
Quote from: Ben A on October 19, 2015, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on October 18, 2015, 10:22:58 PM'put up in front' and a suspicion of 'things internetty'.
either do it together ourselves or go without.
Indeed so Ben, very well said,,, heads and knocking together are other words that come to mind !
may I backtrack a bit, to what NPN picked up on, I was not just meaning money up front, there is the small matter of making a decision so far ahead, indeed some of us may not be here when some of these projects come to maturity !! Oh, praps I should put that in the "Jokes" section ? ???
With a double by pass operation looming, please don't go there, Malcolm :stop:
I want to see my Poppylino before I cark it
Eeeek !
yes I was forgetting !
Enters plea of in mitigation :-
note I said "some of us"
not the classic William Hague-ism, "some of you" !
Counts heart attacks and raises you a few ;)
Great news that we'll have a few more RTR wagons; I could find a home for several of them, although like many others, I've built kit versions of three out of the four models (Ian Stoate Mermaid, Parkside Turbot and NGS Shark).
Interestingly the RRP of the Mermaid is £3 more than the single price of a wagon if Richard/CRS's Kickstarter project had gone ahead.
I wish DJM all the best in getting these models in the shops. However, given the slow progress of the Clayton, Baby Deltic and J94 I'd won't be holding my breath.
Happy modelling.
Steven B.
Great news, I'll be ordering about 10 mermaids and 2 sharks when they show up in the stores. :thumbsup:
Jamie
Some interesting announcements there!! Albeit only 2 that tickle my fancies the Shark and Turbot.
Just a question of actually seeing some thing physical and not just some CAD pictures. Although if they look as good in real life as they do in the CAD pictures then that's another addition to the get list!
Definitely a few Mermaids coming my way in due course plus a Shark or two (rude not to really). They will go nicely with my Dapol Dogfish and Grampus PW wagons plus my NGS Shark (which will doubtless be utterly outclassed!).
Just need a tool van then (Road van maybe?) to make a self contained PW yard micro-layout a rather tasty prospect.
Perhaps we could in due course persuade Ben and Mike to look at a Y1/Y3 Sentinel as a RevolutioN project to provide a suitable PW shunter - I wonder how many people would subscribe to one of those little beauties???
http://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y1y3.php (http://www.lner.info/locos/Y/y1y3.php)
Thinks Lowestoft Sleeper Works....and sigh....he dreams on...
Roy
Can I suggest to the Mods that all the posts about a Sentinel are moved to..............
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29973.0;topicseen (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=29973.0;topicseen)
as this has gone completely off the original topic
@Sprintex (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=583)
@scotsoft (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=461)
@Caz (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=202)
@Pengi (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=631)
@Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255)
Well said Mick, cleared out the off-topic stuff :thumbsup:
What a discussion about Sentinels has to do with DJ Models I don't know since he's not producing one, so can we please stay on-topic?
:thankyousign:
Paul
I called in at Sherwood Models this morning.
Ian informed me that dealer orders will be supplied in full but that there will be no spares made, so how many of each wagon would I be likely to want? He needs to get the order in fairly shortly.
As it happens I want a few mermaids, a shark and an LSWR van for use as an NCB brake.
I suggest that if anyone wants any of these wagons you get an expression of interest in to your preferred DJM stockist to make sure you can get hold of them.
Presumably there will be re-runs later, but Dave doesn't have deep enough pockets to make wagons on spec.
Les
Quote from: Caz on October 18, 2015, 12:02:11 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30493.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30493)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30494.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30494)
ZJO / ZJV 'Mermaid' N gauge Ballast wagon. RRP£19.95
Featuring NEM couplers, Close Coupling mechanism, partially see through chassis, fully detailed interior and exterior, Darkened profile wheels, Removable 'quick load* ' moulded ballast.
GWR and BR versions modelled. Authentic liveries, some with weathering**, multi packs available** with different running numbers (**to follow).
*Quick Load, is a quick way to load and unload the plastic ballast load using a simple magnet on a stick. No more taking each wagon off the rails to unload.
Black with Straw lettering
DJM-N-RS-100010A ZJO DW100022
DJM-N-RS-100010B ZJO DW100045
DJM-N-RS-100010C ZJO DW100048
DJM-N-RS-100010D ZJO DW100051
Indian Red
DJM-N-RS-100011A ZJV DB989176
DJM-N-RS-100011B ZJV DB989228
Olive Green
DJM-N-RS-100012A ZJV DB989014
DJM-N-RS-100012B ZJV DB989088
DJM-N-RS-100012C ZJV DB989089
DJM-N-RS-100012D ZJV DB989153
Engineers Grey / Yellow 'Dutch'
DJM-N-RS-100013A ZJV DB989097
DJM-N-RS-100013B ZJV DB989117
DJM-N-RS-100013C ZJV DB989466
DJM-N-RS-100013D ZJV DB989484
For the era 1962-64 am I correct in thinking that both the black livery and the red livery would be appropriate? I'm looking to put my pre-order in soon...
Thanks
Scott
Looking at the reviews and photos of the orribly oversized DJM/Kernow Adams O2 tank, I can't wait to see what Dave has in store for us in N gauge. The locos he has announced don't work for me, but I am certainly interested in a rake of the Mermaids...
What chance Dave can point a shrink ray on the Adams O2? I can see one or two doing sterling duty on the Britminster to Chetcombe branch line...
As a kiwi, where is my local stockist ;) I have an address in England I can use (my uncle) who would forward post onto me if that would be easier, but I would like to pre-order soon as well :D
Checking this morning, Hattons, Kernow and Osborns are as yet not currently listing the Mermaid.
That makes any pre-ordering a bit difficult.
Guess retailers are waiting for further news and details.
Happy to be corrected.
Dave G
Quote from: Chetcombe on October 23, 2015, 03:09:28 AM
What chance Dave can point a shrink ray on the Adams O2? I can see one or two doing sterling duty on the Britminster to Chetcombe branch line...
I asked him a while back and he didn't seem to have any plans but maybe if enough of us ask him..... :angel:
Quote from: Chetcombe on October 23, 2015, 03:09:28 AM
What chance Dave can point a shrink ray on the Adams O2? I can see one or two doing sterling duty on the Britminster to Chetcombe branch line...
I specifically asked Dave at our Meet Up whether he'd consider 'shrinking' any of the 00 stuff such as the 71 (although I was asking in relation to the 'King' :D) and the reply was that it would be a long way off if it were to happen. Maybe when we've got some N gauge models in our mitts we should then bombard his website with pleas for stuff to be shrunk.
Quote from: Chetcombe on October 23, 2015, 03:09:28 AM
Looking at the reviews and photos of the orribly oversized DJM/Kernow Adams O2 tank, I can't wait to see what Dave has in store for us in N gauge. The locos he has announced don't work for me, but I am certainly interested in a rake of the Mermaids...
What chance Dave can point a shrink ray on the Adams O2? I can see one or two doing sterling duty on the Britminster to Chetcombe branch line...
I see Kernow allowed the use of the Road Van laser scans, so perhaps there's hope and how about the Beattie Well Tank having seen so many OO versions at shows I'd love one of those as well :NGaugersRule:
Or even nicer would be the China clay JIA and Clay Tiger!
Cheers Mike
Quote from: red_death on October 24, 2015, 10:34:14 AM
Or even nicer would be the China clay JIA and Clay Tiger!
Cheers Mike
They would be nice indeed - I asked KMRC sometime ago if they would be doing these in N scale and they said No. :(
Quote from: daveg on October 23, 2015, 07:29:27 AM
Checking this morning, Hattons, Kernow and Osborns are as yet not currently listing the Mermaid.
That makes any pre-ordering a bit difficult.
Guess retailers are waiting for further news and details.
Happy to be corrected.
Dave G
Try ringing Ian at Sherwood Models.
Les
I will be ordering some Mermaids and I will also be interested in the Shark & Turbot models as well. Whilst the these are all available as kits (in fact I do have some NGS Turbot kits to build), I am not very good at kit construction and certainly not good at painting them! So for me these are most welcome additions to the rtr market.
John
The DJ models web site (http://djmodels.co.uk/ (http://djmodels.co.uk/)) has had a welcome makeover and now includes a chart showing the state of progress on the various models: http://djmodels.co.uk/?page_id=422 (http://djmodels.co.uk/?page_id=422)
Neil
Some will be aware that Hornby announced a OO Q6 at Warley, showing final livery samples.
Just to remind folks what a Q6 is, it is a beefy 0-8-0 of NER ancestry which worked quite a long way off-region, and which survived to the last day of steam on the NER proper in 1967.
Dave has, in consequence, withdrawn his. However, as a deal of CAD work had been done this will be transferred to the N-gauge Q6 model.
The Q6 in N remains in the queue of models being worked on (and will have moved up a place)
My OO Q6 having been cancelled I'm upping my N-gauge pre-order with Sherwood Models from two to three. Nothing to pay until Sherwood have them in stock.
All the best
Les
Mermaid update on the DJM website http://djmodels.co.uk/?p=501 (http://djmodels.co.uk/?p=501)
^ Good to see some progress ....
Quote from: Branchie on March 19, 2016, 08:41:01 PM
^ Good to see some progress ....
True. But while you folks who order pristine ones will be happily playing with them I'll still be waiting the weathered versions (date unknown) :'(
Update: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/#entry2286166 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/#entry2286166)
Quote from: MacRat on April 26, 2016, 05:23:02 PM
Update: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/#entry2286166 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/#entry2286166)
Just had a look - fantastic looking model, the chassis detail is an art form in itself. My CC is cowering in the corner at the moment.
The Rapido couplers look absolutely huge, good job there's a standard NEM pocket so something more subtle can be substituted...
Want, want, want!
Looks really good. I'll be wanting about 10 of those then.
Jamie
having seen them now i think my order for ten will be going up a bit
this model has been on my wish list for about 20 years
Stunning model. :drool:
Shame I'll have to wait longer then those taking pristine versions as I want mine weathered :(
Very impressive looking model. Good to see some progress on Dave's N gauge range, I will certainly be signing up for a few Mermaids
My Wallet just ran away again!!
Regards,
Alex
Would be helpful to us all if the updates were posted on here by DJM. Seems to have gone very quiet from Dave. ???
@DJM Dave (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2882)
Have we upset you, sir?
lol, no not at all guys,
The pics are exclusive to BRM/RMW which is why they aren't on my website either.
Once i get the Mermaid back (it came in and went out immediately to the press) i'll take pics and post them here.
Apologies but it was part of an exclusivity deal i had with them that's finished from this model.
Cheers
Dave
Thanks for that, Dave.
Any clue as to how long after the pristine ones arrive for the weathered version please?
Time for a progress update on your website, too? :telloff: :D
A few bridges to cross first mate.
getting Mercig to weather them is one thing, but i need to get the factory to emulate the master weathered Mermaid wagon that Mercig will produce.
Unfortunately the factory thinks weathering is a simple 1 colour , 1 pass of the airbrush thing (and that's a really ugly thing with no finesse like other companies do), and they will need teaching, which i shall probably do when i'm out there in a couple of months.
Once i'm happy with their weathering i'll sign off on production, but not before so i cant really give a time frame, sorry.
cheers
Dave
Dave,
Well done on the weathering front - a battle but well worth it as we know Mercig work is top!
and yes! how infuriating the splurge of rail grime/rust is called "weathered."
more strength to your elbow
Robert
Pictures of the Mermaid EP samples are on the DJM site now. The first set of pictures were RMweb/Warner exclusive, I think.
http://djmodels.co.uk (http://djmodels.co.uk)
According to a post from Dave that appeared on RMweb a few days ago the artwork is being worked on and production might happen this year (in about 6 weeks, maybe, you know, time is a weird thing).
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-2#entry2328858 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-2#entry2328858)
Dave Jones was at Quorn today with the EP of the Mermaid (on the Kernow Stand).
I had a good look at it, including being allowed to handle it. As a direct result I crossed the aisle to Sherwood Models- and upped my pre-order from three to six......
He also had the airfreighted review samples of the first OO J94s to come off the production line, and decoration samples of RMWeb's J94 and his OO Class 71. The first OO J94s will be here in August- these are the models that pay for tooling and production of the N-gauge Classes 17 and 23.
All the very best
Les
I hope these 'Orribly Oversize' thingies sell well as I want my class 23 :worried:
Quote from: newportnobby on June 18, 2016, 09:56:43 AM
I hope these 'Orribly Oversize' thingies sell well as I want my class 23 :worried:
Me also! :)
Dave G
Quote from: daveg on June 18, 2016, 10:41:07 AM
Quote from: newportnobby on June 18, 2016, 09:56:43 AM
I hope these 'Orribly Oversize' thingies sell well as I want my class 23 :worried:
Me also! :)
Dave G
And me. Looking forward to my pair of Claytons.
Me too! ;D
I'm hoping the J94 sells well (and I'm doing my bit with a pair of standard DJM ones, a Hattons and the RMWEb special, all for "No Place") as Hawthorn Dene could do with Class 17s on the main line, and WD saddletanks and a Hudswell or two in the colliery, plus a Q6 or several on the coal trains.
Les
Such a shame that we have to rely on the "broad gaugers" to finance the Claytons etc.
Waiting with bated breath for MY pair of Claytons also !
Quote from: koyli55002 on June 19, 2016, 09:20:08 AM
Such a shame that we have to rely on the "broad gaugers" to finance the Claytons etc.
Waiting with bated breath for MY pair of Claytons also !
Fact of life - there are three times as many of them......
Les
Quote from: koyli55002 on June 19, 2016, 09:20:08 AM
Such a shame that we have to rely on the "broad gaugers" to finance the Claytons etc.
Waiting with bated breath for MY pair of Claytons also !
I hope you can 'bate' your breath for a long time! :worried:
After several unsuccessful attempts to scratch build one, then I've learned to do so !
Just found that Artwork for Mermaid has been posted on RMweb a few days ago: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-2#entry2376011 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-2#entry2376011)
You're invited to comment.
Photos of pre-production livery samples for the Mermaid have been posted on RMWeb.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-3 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/110632-djmodels-n-gauge-mermaid-ep1-sample/page-3)
Thanks Mike. The detailing looks superb.
Now the long wait for a weathered version (sigh)
Announcement from Dave Jones this morning.
The Class 17 Clayton is going into tooling next week, with the 23 following it, then the J94 in N.
Also confirmed for tooling is the crowdfunded Class 92 as enough people have committed themselves to it in both N and OO.
Target for the 17 on sale is by Perth Show next year - and no price hike planned for the first run of the model despite the fall in the value of the pound.
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on November 26, 2016, 04:00:18 PM
Announcement from Dave Jones this morning.
The Class 17 Clayton is going into tooling next week, with the 23 following it, then the J94 in N.
Also confirmed for tooling is the crowdfunded Class 92 as enough people have committed themselves to it in both N and OO.
Target for the 17 on sale is by Perth Show next year - and no price hike planned for the first run of the model despite the fall in the value of the pound.
Les
Wow. That is brilliant news.
Maybe I read too much into what people write but from RMWeb's search engine I found the DJModels end of year report for 2015 published on 31 December 2015. Just a short quote reveals:- "I also approved for tooling to commence on the N gauge Class 17, 23 and J94 (in that order) an was expecting the Class 17 EP before 2015 end (first EP).However like all factories in the lead up to Christmas, you get bumped down the list for tool room time and production too, and this has duly happened to both the Wagons and Class 17."
Then from 26 November 2016 we have direct from DJM again:- "Despite several false starts, I can confirm that the class 17 at last gets tool time starting sometime this week."
So the impression given almost 12 months ago was that tooling had been due to commence on the Class 17 in N gauge, but got bumped down the list. Turns out it was a very big bump and presumably unrelated to Christmas 2015 peak workload alone at the factory. Hopefully it will actually go into tooling this week.
I have a great deal of admiration for people who put their money behind their ideas, and David Jones falls into that category. I also understand that projects can slip, as did one of mine back in 2008 when a serious case of Carpal Tunnel Syndrome immobilised both wrists for 6 months. At the time I announced that to all my subscribers, publicly and individually by e-mail, although no money had been taken from any of them. For me the key to credibility is not to oversell ideas and progress, and to be open and explicit when problems and delays occur. Delivering "bad news" is as much a part of project management as promoting success.
So for the folk who have earlier expressed concern (on the Class 92 thread) about the delay to the Class 17 I can sympathise with them, and empathise too having placed my own "expression of interest" back in 2013.
I have put in an expression for the Clayton, but my real interest is in the Hudswell Clarke. I model a preserved line, and all preserved lines have some industrial locomotives. I meant, why do the J94 first? I already have one!
Shame the GWR Mogul is not progressing at the moment. With the Peco Collett now out of production for quite a while, the GWR has nothing in the small tender engine category. The LMS has the Ivatt 2MT and 4F. The Southern have the N Class Mogul. The LNER have the J39. The GWR is missing a "maid of all work".
Quote from: Karhedron on November 28, 2016, 03:15:22 PM
Shame the GWR Mogul is not progressing at the moment. With the Peco Collett now out of production for quite a while, the GWR has nothing in the small tender engine category. The LMS has the Ivatt 2MT and 4F. The Southern have the N Class Mogul. The LNER have the J39. The GWR is missing a "maid of all work".
The Union Mills Dean Goods and Dukedog are rather handy. They're even pretty once detailed up a bit.
Would always be good to have more GWR locos though (as long as they're not old Dapol flawed engineering design style)
^Exactly, why does everyone talk as if Union Mills didn't exist? It is only a phone call away.
Quote from: Bornin1980something on November 28, 2016, 04:15:50 PM
^Exactly, why does everyone talk as if Union Mills didn't exist? It is only a phone call away.
I think it's more to do with fidelity. By modern standards, UM models aren't -- out of the box -- as detailed as the Farish, Dapol and Peco. UM models are nicely made and work well, but if you're "used" to really detailed modern models, they can come across as a bit toy-like. That said of course, if you're willing to get your hands dirty, there's lots you can do to improve them in all sorts of ways.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on November 28, 2016, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: Bornin1980something on November 28, 2016, 04:15:50 PM
^Exactly, why does everyone talk as if Union Mills didn't exist? It is only a phone call away.
I think it's more to do with fidelity. By modern standards, UM models aren't -- out of the box -- as detailed as the Farish, Dapol and Peco. UM models are nicely made and work well, but if you're "used" to really detailed modern models, they can come across as a bit toy-like. That said of course, if you're willing to get your hands dirty, there's lots you can do to improve them in all sorts of ways.
Cheers, NeMo
The problem is, by the same modern standards, Dapol and Graham Farish models aren't -- out of the box -- reliable (or even running) as UM ones are. While they're certainly pretty and collectible, they're not exactly triumphs of modern engineering.
Quote from: Zwilnik on November 28, 2016, 04:27:38 PM
The problem is, by the same modern standards, Dapol and Graham Farish models aren't -- out of the box -- reliable (or even running) as UM ones are. While they're certainly pretty and collectible, they're not exactly triumphs of modern engineering.
Depends what you mean by "triumphs of modern engineering". The motors are tiny, strong and capable of good slow-speed running. The locos are keep getting finer and more accurate working parts such as crankshafts and connecting rods. Overall they're modestly priced for what they are (in particular when you consider the quantities they're produced in for any given livery).
Without going back to the whole reliability thing endlessly debated here and on RMWeb, I'm looking forward to owning a DJM model (likely the Class 17 first) and establishing whether Dave J. manages to get closer to the perfect balance between price, performance and reliability. I hope so, because like others, I do get frustrated by irritating failures such as lights blowing on (in particular) my otherwise gorgeous Dapol locos.
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on November 28, 2016, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Zwilnik on November 28, 2016, 04:27:38 PM
The problem is, by the same modern standards, Dapol and Graham Farish models aren't -- out of the box -- reliable (or even running) as UM ones are. While they're certainly pretty and collectible, they're not exactly triumphs of modern engineering.
Depends what you mean by "triumphs of modern engineering". The motors are tiny, strong and capable of good slow-speed running. The locos are keep getting finer and more accurate working parts such as crankshafts and connecting rods. Overall they're modestly priced for what they are (in particular when you consider the quantities they're produced in for any given livery).
Without going back to the whole reliability thing endlessly debated here and on RMWeb, I'm looking forward to owning a DJM model (likely the Class 17 first) and establishing whether Dave J. manages to get closer to the perfect balance between price, performance and reliability. I hope so, because like others, I do get frustrated by irritating failures such as lights blowing on (in particular) my otherwise gorgeous Dapol locos.
Cheers, NeMo
Yup. the design flaws in the mainstream Dapol and (to a lesser degree) Farish models are the subject of many other threads, so to steer back onto subject..
I see the DJM models as an ideal opportunity for a new line of locos that actually factors in engineering design and avoids the flaws that Dave will have seen in his old job. Hopefully it's a case of learning from other people's past mistakes :)