Website now updated and a very interesting item here...
http://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/)
I know! I know!
Guess I will have to go to Warley then....
Skyline2uk
Are revolution actually at Warley?
Hoping for something western! :angel:
Yes, we are sharing a stand with Rapido at Warley (as we did last year).
Don't worry if you can't make Warley - we will still you!
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: red_death on September 15, 2016, 02:58:03 PM
Yes, we are sharing a stand with Rapido at Warley (as we did last year).
Don't worry if you can't make Warley - we will still you!
Cheers, Mike
That explains it then.
I'd have had a guess at a class 92, but as DJM has picked up the mantle recently it seems unlikely. That said I fear I'd have some sort of over-excitement induced medical episode if it were, and I'd clearly end up buying both! If they did grey with beasties I'd ending up buying multiples too :-[
BenA said this to me on RMWeb:
QuoteHa - well, as I am almost certain you'll be interested in our next model the only answer is to build a bigger layout!
Which to my mind means, at the very least it's something modern image, but could also mean:
- it's a class 92 (as I've mentioned them repeatedly as a suggestion)
- it's WCML based (that's just about everything)
- possibly OHLE
If it's genuinely a "class XX" as opposed to a wagon (and they did say they were releasing something motorised at Warley), when I'd consider something like the STVA articulated car carriers (which I'd definitely want!), I'm at a bit of a loss. Other than increasingly obscure EMUs and class 92s what's really missing from the modern scene?! Electrostar? That would be pretty awesome.
Either way I'm damned excited, and even if Warley is 2 weeks before my first child is born I'm absolutely reserving the right to spend money I won't have :D
When I initially saw the reference to "class XX" I thought that at long last someone was going to produce an N Gauge Class 28. Ben's comment doesn't seem to tally with this unfortunately so I'll hope for an ex-LMS Garratt instead! Is that big enough?
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on September 15, 2016, 04:17:47 PM
When I initially saw the reference to "class XX" I thought that at long last someone was going to produce an N Gauge Class 28. Ben's comment doesn't seem to tally with this unfortunately so I'll hope for an ex-LMS Garratt instead! Is that big enough?
A 28 would be fantastic, but I feel that Mike and Ben will be cautious about further transition models until the tank wagon project gets over the line. Even assuming it succeeds as it hopefully will, careful thought would need to be given to what other transition prototype would tick enough boxes and have wide enough geographical spread to be viable.
The only realistic possibility I could see in this respect is the very long lived Class 116/117 DMU which survived long enough to bear 1980s liveries.
That said, a three car DMU doesn't need a big layout, so to follow Ben's hint that can't be it!
Roy
How about a class 87 or (as an outside bet, a 90)
The 90 is a unlikely because it has already been produced and RevolutioN's MO is items that haven't been produced before (I think the TEAs are a different version from those produced by Farish?)
But the 87 is "modern image", still active , WCML, a number of liveries possible stretching back the years.
I don't think the reference to njee needing a big layout means it is a big (i.e. long) model, I just think it was in reference to njee's comment about needing a bigger layout for all the desirable items RevolutioN are bringing out.
It is an oft requested model, and plenty of Dapol's 86s have been finding there way into people's collection, thanks to the discounting on Dapol's website. It reinforces the AC electric sector along with the Pendolino, 321, 86, et al....
Just a thought.
If you peel up the corner of the covering sticker you can see it's quite clearly a class 81 to go with the NGS motorail release. :D
Yes, Scotty's right, I commented that Ben needed to stop doing models I want because my layout's full, Ben's response was as below. I took the insinuation to be that it was modern. Real modern, not 30 years ago modern ;)
90 isn't a bad shout, yes Bachmann may shrink their as yet unrelesed OO ones, but I'm pretty certain RevolutioN could steal a march on them and get it out first, by a mile (probably beating the OO one too!). I would indeed be interested in those too. Dammit.
Just a quickie on the transition era models - the 35t tank will go ahead (unless orders are truly disastrous!), but how successful it is will determine what we do in the future. As noted on the project overview table linked to by Thorpe Parva, we already have the first CAD of the 35t tank.
As to the mystery project - well all will be revealed soon-ish! As Ben has already said it will be powered...
Cheers, Mike
Judging by overheard conversations at TINGS, together with a folder left open with a rather interesting drawing, at least one of you is correct. But I'm not saying any more in case I'm wrong.....
Dunno about an 87, they're not really active any more are they? Barring a couple of examples. They're also in the same 'camp' as a 90 - there is an old Farish model, but it's very dated now.
I reckon a 90 is much more likely, particularly given Revolution's rapid turnaround.
Stupidly I quite want it to be another 92 though!:
- no sensibly priced model
- loads of liveries
- good geographical spread
- suitable haulage for the TEAs, KFAs and hi cube boxes
Only downer is DJM, I'm not sure I can see Revolution going head to head, but who knows, maybe Ben and Mike are feeling feisty, and if they've done the CAD already then perhaps they could also beat Dave to market, and as long as the order book is big enough they lose nothing.
Quote from: IWFB on September 15, 2016, 07:07:31 PM
I reckon it will run on both AC and DC....
Which keeps the 92 or Electrostar in the running.
Quote from: jthjth on September 15, 2016, 06:30:16 PM
Judging by overheard conversations at TINGS, together with a folder left open with a rather interesting drawing, at least one of you is correct. But I'm not saying any more in case I'm wrong.....
I saw that folder too.... 😉
An 81 would be nice and I could have it pulling maroon Mk 1s(!).
However to me, if the hints are it will be a model of a loco in current use, the smart money would be on a 90 and very logically it would also fit with Ben and Mike's sphere of interest too. I should imagine a Rapido model would be the dog's thingummies and this may tempt more than a few "rule 1" purchases.
I personally hope it is not a 92, DJM Dave has already started down the crowdfunding road for that model and no doubt invested time and money in researching it.
Roy
For what it's worth my (absolute) guess would be a 91 and associated MK4 stock / DVT.
Only because the Pendilino has shown the way for full length trains and like other models mentioned here, it's only represented by an aging Farish model.
Skyline2uk
If NJEE needs a bigger layout maybe it's a Pendo in 'OO'.!!!!!
Or a CL88 using Dapol's CL68 CAD's!!!!!
John P
My guess is that either an 87 or 90 is announced.
The speed at which CADs are being released suggests to me that their choice has been derived from a manufacturer's CAD file of a previous loco.
Really? Seems very unlikely. Why would a manufacturer share their CADs, and given how old (and low quality) the 87 and 90 are would the CADs be of any use?
You'd also include any errors from the original models. And how do you know how long Revolution have been planning this too? ???
Hello all,
The model will be derived from the works drawings that we have had for some time. Personally I would be very against creating a model from existing CAD files - unless they're our own as in the OO TEAs.
Mike and I have been planning this new item for some time, as it's something we are both really keen on, but have held back announcing it until we had actually supplied some models. Otherwise we felt we could be accused of endless promises with nothing delivered.
The TEAs are now imminent, and as a small thank you we are arranging things so our TEA customers will be the first to learn officially about the next project...
Cheers
Ben A.
Please be something in BR blue. Please be something in BR blue.
Please be some thing in BR blue ......
Quote from: Branchie on September 15, 2016, 11:07:08 PM
Please be something in BR blue. Please be something in BR blue.
Please be some thing in BR blue ......
Ditto... though I could probably be persuaded by anything with a BR logo on it.
Ahhhh thats what was in that folder!! :P
Whilst I yearn for someone to produce a 4 Sub an Electrostar would suffice but I think a Class 800 might be more probable.......
Good fun but I should get out more.
Gerry
Time for a bit of steam! ;)
:A1Tornado:
Yep, a Class 800 would be nice and could be done with lessons learned from Pendolino.
Quote from: Karhedron on September 16, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Time for a bit of steam! ;)
:A1Tornado:
Agreed! :thumbsup:
Hello all,
Sorry to disappoint, but it's not steam.
When you look at the complaints and problems even experienced manufacturers have, steam loco chassis with outside motion appear to us to be a whole world of pain that, right now, we don't want to get into.
cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on September 16, 2016, 02:26:31 PM
Hello all,
Sorry to disappoint, but it's not steam.
When you look at the complaints and problems even experienced manufacturers have, steam loco chassis with outside motion appear to us to be a whole world of pain that, right now, we don't want to get into.
cheers
Ben A.
So its not GT3 either then.....
Jerry
Quote from: Ben A on September 16, 2016, 02:26:31 PM
Sorry to disappoint, but it's not steam.
Ah well, I wasn't getting my hopes up too high anyway. :'(
I know that you and Mike are both modern image modelers and your output naturally reflects the subjects that you know most about.
How about a D600 Warship? :angel:
(http://www.railblue.com/Pictures/In%20Depth/Cl41_D600_1.jpg)
Can we kill off the idea that we will only do modern models? The reality is that we only have capacity to produce a few models per year and we have a potentials list as long as my arm! That certainly includes models that are in no way modern!
It is a fine balance between picking something not being done by Farish or Dapol yet still being popular enough to produce.
Apart from the technical difficulties of producing a Stirling Single, sorry steam engine, the thing that troubles us most is what steam engines are the obvious choices (bearing in mind the need to sell 1000)? The same is true of the remaining diesel/electrics (much as I'd love to do 81-85!). Make a compelling case and we will consider it (as we have other things outside of our interests - 2 of 6 projects so far).
Cheers
Mike
Please tell me it's not an EM1 electric or an AM10 EMU and at least I'll know I won't have to fund/build another pigging layout! :worried:
Quote from: Only Me on September 15, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
I want to say something here but I can't sorry lol
:D
Cue the Benny Hill Music!!
I know you want to buy us all one of the new release.
It must be hard not being able to. :D
OK, I reckon it will be a diesel-hydraulic Stirling Single 3rd-rail pickup AC multiple unit merry-go-round hopper pre-grouping transition era railcar available in NSE, EWS and Scotrail liveries.
Am I close?
Quote from: railsquid on September 16, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
OK, I reckon it will be a diesel-hydraulic Stirling Single 3rd-rail pickup AC multiple unit merry-go-round hopper pre-grouping transition era railcar available in NSE, EWS and Scotrail liveries.
Am I close?
Drat - I wanted a DRS liveried one of those :'( :'(
Hello all,
Yes, I want to underline what Mike says. Steam locos do present a particular set of challenges and the fact is neither Mike nor I have the skill set to be confident that we could identify and correct issues on a steam loco.
However, we are into our second transition era model now and I am quite excited by these - I think they are an attractive wagon and are interesting as they straddle that change from old, vacuum fitted, removable tanks to the more modern mono bloc designs.
Cheers
Ben A.
It's going to be a Class 309 EMU......range of liveries, different cab fronts, choice of 2/4/6/8/10/12 car sets, used elsewhere than the GE in latter years.........
...... well you can dream can't you?
Izzy
What ever it is I have yet to decide if I hope for it to be something I want or Something I don't Want. :P
Quote from: Ben A on September 15, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
The TEAs are now imminent, and as a small thank you we are arranging things so our TEA customers will be the first to learn officially about the next project...
I managed to avoid buying a Pendolino based on the maximum length of my platforms then someone told me about selective door opening and how they could still stop at my station.
If you do decide to give those who purchased the TEA's a hint or preview are the TEA's due before or after the pendolino order book closes?
Asking for a Friend, who has no money but is considering a purchase he cant afford nor needs for his layout, who is looking for a distraction after you tempted him further by keeping the books open longer despite him being a good boy* with his money :-X
(* If we ignore all those 320's >:D)
Think you'll have to let the cat out of the bag soon, before the forum melts down! :D
Quote from: CaleyDave on September 16, 2016, 08:22:34 PM.
If you do decide to give those who purchased the TEA's a hint or preview are the TEA's due before or after the pendolino order book closes?
Hi CaleyDave
The TEA tankers will definitely be here before the Pendolino book closes. They left the factory last weekend...
Cheers
Ben A.
It's not steam... So maybe it's gas turbine?
Go on, tell me it's a shrink of Rapido's fabulous APT-E, go on, pleeeease!
Quote from: captainelectra on September 16, 2016, 09:02:57 PM
Think you'll have to let the cat out of the bag soon, before the forum melts down! :D
Oooh, European outline stock? CAT (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Airport_Train) ;)
Knew I shouldn't have opened that email Mike sent or looked in that folder Paul had at TINGS.
I really want a lovely '><,|>\!?)? Liveried one now. :P
Alistair
Quote from: alibuchan on September 17, 2016, 08:20:58 AM
Knew I shouldn't have opened that email Mike sent or looked in that folder Paul had at TINGS.
I really want a lovely '><,|>\!?)? Liveried one now. :P
Alistair
Me too!
And many that don't.
Such teasers
Gerry
Hi Gang,
After chatting with Mike and Ben very briefly at Leamington, I'm satisfied that I can wait for the 'behind the scenes' chat to be finalised so that the announcement, when it goes public...is full of confirmation and certainty....with none of the 'what ifs' and bluster of some other traders.
Revolution are to be commended for delaying an announcement till tangible evidence of their product is delivered...although 10 production run tankers and a couple of Pendolinos on the test track convinced me that their products are not just CADs or ideas plucked from the ether.
I think I know what it is.....but I'm happy to wait for my info delivered with the TEAs.....
Later...
Stu from EGDL
just wish i had been around when the folder was opened.
will have to wait for the email to the TEA purchasers.
cheers
Graham
Quote from: Graham on September 17, 2016, 06:56:02 PM
just wish i had been around when the folder was opened.
will have to wait for the email to the TEA purchasers.
cheers
Graham
£200 and I'll tell you. >:D
I'm assuming my version of crowd funding isn't allowed? :-X :-X :-X
Alistair
:laughabovepost:
Damn you! I was thinking the same thing but well £1000 then that would pay for a good few models!!
Give us a clue - so, how many wheels does it have?
Gerry
Quote from: gerry9253 on September 17, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
Give us a clue - so, how many wheels does it have?
Gerry
Hope it's not 3 :laugh:
Given that those who have purchased a TEA get "first dibs" on the news, will newsletter subscribers find out soon after ?
I didn't orde any TEA's as they were "out of era" for me ! :doh:
Aha, is this a clue? What would go together with TEA tankers? Why yes, a kettle :D
I'll get my coat (while hoping for something AC electrickery).
Quote from: railsquid on September 18, 2016, 07:32:07 AM
Aha, is this a clue? What would go together with TEA tankers? Why yes, a kettle :D
I'll get my coat (while hoping for something AC electrickery).
N gauge don't do AC control, it's either DC or DCC. Hope that doesn't disappoint too much. :smiley-laughing:
Sorry I'll stop now!
Alistair
Hello all,
Firstly, we did not want to announce anything else until we had actually delivered some product, even though we have been planning this model for some time.
But the idea of sending out a leaflet/invitation to back our next project with the TEA tankers came about because we wanted to say "thanks" to those who'd backed what will be our first N gauge model to actually reach people and also because we were taken with the overwhelmingly positive response among those who saw them last weekend.
It dawned on Mike and me that, in a world of online wish lists, speculation and promises, actually having the tankers delivered will be a better and more credible sales pitch than anything we could do or say on the web or in print.
Once we have sent out the tankers - and know customers are receiving them - we will send out a newsletter to all our subscribers explaining what we are doing and why.
Cheers
Ben A.
Who'd have thought that N Gauge could be this exciting? And all down to Revolution Trains!
Gerry
Quote from: gerry9253 on September 18, 2016, 11:17:08 AM
Who'd have thought that N Gauge could be this exciting? And all down to Revolution Trains!
The teases :D
Well as they're clearly stating there's a bag with a cat in it, they'll have to put up with wild speculation until said feline is released from said flexible carrying utensil. :D :D
Quote from: railsquid on September 18, 2016, 12:14:14 PM
Well as they're clearly stating there's a bag with a cat in it, they'll have to put up with wild speculation until said feline is released from said flexible carrying utensil. :D :D
That bag happens to be a horrible oversized TINGS rucksack! :P
Hi Gang,
It could be Schrodinger's cat.....
Later,
Stu from EGDL
Is a Cat engine, or a catalytic converter? So not steam or electric.
Don't know why this topic has gone so quiet we have a new powered model AND a new Wagon to speculate about!
:drool:
Quote from: Ben A on September 22, 2016, 05:37:45 PM
[...]
Having (nearly) delivered the TEAs and with the Pendo making good progress we are planning to announce another modern wagon at Warley too.
Cheers
Ben A.
Hi Gang,
Quiet for all of 4 days.....
As for the new modern wagon......it must be a car transporter.....that would be joined up thinking with the NGS Carflat....
And as for the loco.....???.
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Ohhhh I missed the new wagon remark!
I am hoping for some suitable stock to go with the forthcoming Dapol Class 59.....Specifcally the National Power one?! :drool:
Skyline2uk
Without further hints to fuel our speculation, the frothing has died down....
.... for now. ;)
Hello all,
The new wagon that we are proposing will be announced at the Warley NEC show. At the moment there are two contenders and we are just finalising the choice.
As with everything though, it will only fly if enough people they decide they want it!
Cheers
Ben A.
Ben, we all can help you with that decision. You don't need to carry the weight of responsibility alone. :whistle:
My initial thought was a KTA/KQA pocket wagon, but I don't think they've got the breadth of appeal compared to something like the KFA, they tend to run as one or two in a rake, and Dapol do do an OO gauge one. National Power JMAs seem too niche, they're basically HHAs on LTF 25 bogies anyway.
I do wonder about the IPA twin-deck car carriers, but wonder if they'd benefit from having cars available, which would potentially make them very expensive. To that end, maybe the covered single deck ones would be better.
Alternatively I reckon something from the aggregates world, which are sorely under represented, maybe PTA or JNA box wagons, or JHAs, all of which would go beautifully with a 59, if we ever see one!
Ah yes, I wondered about MRAs. Could be interesting.
Quote from: Cooper on September 15, 2016, 07:14:32 PM
Quote from: jthjth on September 15, 2016, 06:30:16 PM
Judging by overheard conversations at TINGS, together with a folder left open with a rather interesting drawing, at least one of you is correct. But I'm not saying any more in case I'm wrong.....
I saw that folder too.... 😉
Just noticed I have a slightly out of focus snap of some dodgy characters, with that mythical file.....
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pGfQjHAo7xE/Umb2cvOKLmI/AAAAAAAALMI/NOobtFCDOX4/s1600/A5pH-0cCYAAIqIO.jpg)
[spoiler](http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/852-280916191413.jpeg)[/spoiler]
@Only Me (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) has sabotaged my post with an in focus replacement picture, so here is another attempt at posting for those who can't find it hiding under the 'spoiler' button above.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/852-280916191413.jpeg)
Just want to put this out there, @acko22 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4166), is a tease and has been winding me up all day about the next wagon project, giving just enough info for me to bite but, I still no idea as to what it is. :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry:
Obviously all of those army secrecy lessons have paid off.
Alistair
Ha ha,
Well werr the hints just to throw you off just to mess with your head some more??
Guess you will juat have to see..... some day
The next powered model is discussed on another forum.
Gerry
Quote from: gerry9253 on October 02, 2016, 01:08:12 PM
The next powered model is discussed on another forum.
Gerry
Sadly this is in a topic started by DJModels complaining that people are cancelling the Paypal invoices sent to them to get them to commit to his Class 92 crowdfunding project. Luckily for him lots of new people were signing up yesterday at the Fareham show and as a result of the DJModels press stories in this month's magazines. All a bit weird.
Outing a private approach to avoid duplication, as has happened on 'the other place's' thread, is IMHO poor form. Oh well, we shall just have to see who gets a viable product to market first. I'm pretty sure who I will end up giving my money to...
Well the sharing of a leaflet (distributed with the TEAs) on the TEA thread confirms what Revolution are proposing.
Awaiting new thread/official announcement from Revolution on this forum in due course.
Skyline2uk