Well, someone had to start it!
After stage 1 I think I get it so far.....
Most people crossed the line in 4:22:47, But there were 10, 6 and 4 bonus seconds for the first three places, so Teunissen, Sagan and Ewan are ahead by these amounts.
.....but not a worry for GC riders, as a) it's a small amount and b) they'll easily get it back in the mountains later....????
What are the implications for the TTT tomorrow?
Cheers Jon :)
Shame about the prangs, especially the 2nd one. Just shows you can take nothing for granted :uneasy:
I suppose it depends on if they want to defend the yellow jersey or not. Traditionally this is where we suggest the GC contender teams will be happy for someone else to take the pressure of the jersey, but on the other hand it's never bothered them recently. TTT's are a bit of a crapshoot really, I don't think I've ever predicted correctly what would happen. Without any evidence I don't think the bonus seconds will help anyone cling onto or keep hold of the Jersey, I can see one of the GC teams overhauling them.
Just don't expect to get any sense out of @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) whilst this is one, he is an avid follower.
Scratch that - edit:
Just don't expect to get any sense out of @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)
;) ;D ;D
You won't win the GC in the TTT, but you can definitely lose it. Some teams are very good; US Postal/Discovery were very good 'back in the day', other teams just don't have the TTers and/or the discipline and it's messy.
Fuglsang could be vulnerable, a TT Bike is not a comfy place to be given he's clearly a bit sore. The team gets the time of the 5th man over the line, if he's dropped off he gets his own time. That said expect teams to shed a couple of men early on if they're struggling; it's a balance between getting rid of ballast and having fewer men to do turns on the front.
Ineos usually do well at TTTs as a manifestation of their organisational skills, the whole 'marginal gains' thing. I'd not like to bet on the winning team frankly, it's so early in the race form is a bit of an unknown, expect continuing poker face from Geraint Thomas; he doesn't have the racing in his legs that he'd like/probably should have, but ultimately he'll almost certainly come out with the same time as Bernal.
Time gaps are pretty irrelevant at this point. They did away with them for a few years and haven't long brought them back, the sprinters will be fighting for 132nd overall when it comes to Paris, so having 10 seconds now is something and nothing!
Nice to see Wiggo rocking a Stone Roses T Shirt and Parka on Eurosport :D They've got him riding pillion on a motorbike giving in race reports.
I think todays TTT may shake the GC up a bit, Team Ineos will start as one of the favourites but do they want the Maillot jaune this early on?
They're not going to ride slowly today to actively avoid taking it. The whole "not wanting the yellow jersey" thing is more relevant when it comes to chasing down attacks by lower-risk riders on early mountain stages and using unnecessary effort. It would be a massive risk to cruise the TT and concede time to everyone.
They've got to beat Jumbo Visma by at least 10 seconds, Bora Hansgrohe by 6 seconds and Lotto Soudal by 4 seconds to get it anyway!
I wasn't implying they should ride slowly to avoid taking the jersey, that's a ludicrous thought ;) I can quite easily see Thomas or Bernal in yellow after today, I just wondered whether it was in their planning to have it so early.
I would imagine so, but assuming they do win it'll be Gianni Moscon in yellow, as highest placed Ineos rider.
I thought it was 4th rider counts for the time now teams are only 8 riders, stand to be corrected though
Ah yes, good shout, you're probably right!
Brilliant ride from Jumbo-Visma, a 20 second margin on a short TTT is superb.
Agreed, that they had an equivalent gap to that between 2nd and 11th is mad! Surprised at Trek-Segafredo's poor performance, another year for Richie Porte to fail to meet expectations!
Ineos the bridesmaids once again, have they ever actually won a TTT at the TdF?!
Tomorrow should be good, few punchy climbs at the end will mean it's certainly not one for the pure sprinters. Sagan may be able to go with the leaders and hold on, but I reckon someone like Van Avermaet, or possibly Wout Van Aert.
My ride of the day goes to Team Katusha Alpecin. By heck, that one came from leftfield :o
Alex Dowsett is a formidable TTer obviously, but yes, I was surprised by them, great ride.
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 07, 2019, 09:39:08 PM
My ride of the day goes to Team Katusha Alpecin. By heck, that one came from leftfield :o
My ride of the day was wearing an orange jersey but she wasn't on a bike :goggleeyes:
Can someone help me out....?
I am trying to find where the various points and time bonuses are, and how many, for sprints and KoM/hills
I have definitely :searchingsign: the official TdF site and other sites like cycling weekly, and I can't find anywhere where they are set out.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Cheers Jon :)
Quote from: PostModN66 on July 08, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
I am trying to find where the various points and time bonuses are, and how many, for sprints and KoM/hills
I couldn't find it by navigating the official site, but google found:
https://www.letour.fr/en/the-race/sporting-stakes (https://www.letour.fr/en/the-race/sporting-stakes)
with a link to the full rules:
https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_tdf/rules-reglement-tour-de-france-2019.pdf (https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_tdf/rules-reglement-tour-de-france-2019.pdf)
That should have everything in great detail!
Neil
Quote from: nabber on July 09, 2019, 08:03:23 AM
Quote from: PostModN66 on July 08, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
I am trying to find where the various points and time bonuses are, and how many, for sprints and KoM/hills
I couldn't find it by navigating the official site, but google found:
https://www.letour.fr/en/the-race/sporting-stakes (https://www.letour.fr/en/the-race/sporting-stakes)
with a link to the full rules:
https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_tdf/rules-reglement-tour-de-france-2019.pdf (https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cycling_tdf/rules-reglement-tour-de-france-2019.pdf)
That should have everything in great detail!
Thanks Neil, I'll take a look.
I am really surprised it isn't set out more clearly on the website for each stage. It's like watching a rugby match and not knowing ahead of the game how many points for a try etc.!!
Cheers Jon :)
Masterly ride by Julian Alaphilippe yesterday. He does like to set le chat amongst les pigeons ;D
Monsieur le chat chat on the mat. ;) :thumbsup:
Quote from: PostModN66 on July 08, 2019, 10:24:02 PM
Can someone help me out....?
I am trying to find where the various points and time bonuses are, and how many, for sprints and KoM/hills
I have definitely :searchingsign: the official TdF site and other sites like cycling weekly, and I can't find anywhere where they are set out.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Cheers Jon :)
Also have a look here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tour_de_France#Classification_leadership
Well, that 3 weeks flew by. Congratulations to Egan Bernal, Peter Sagan and Romain Bardet. One of the best and most exciting Tours for many a year.
A special mention to Julian Alaphilippe who wore the Maillot Jaune for 14 days and gave France hope of a first win in 34 but was finally defeated by the Alps.
Friday was a farce though. Alaphilippe was deafeted by the weather and Prudhomme's fear of the peloton's reaction to facing such severe wintry weather following their angry reaction to riding in severe hot weather.
They say the Maillot Jaune gives one extra power. I observe that nearly all who lose it suffer a dip the following day. If Alaphilippe had finished Friday in yellow, I'm convinced he'd still be in yellow for tomorrow's GC parade.
Congratulation to Bernal, especially when he was never intended to ride Le Tour. But as MBH quickly joked "when a luxury holiday to France has 60% off..." :D
Quote from: RailGooner on July 27, 2019, 05:55:10 PM
Friday was a farce though. Alaphilippe was deafeted by the weather and Prudhomme's fear of the peloton's reaction to facing such severe wintry weather following their angry reaction to riding in severe hot weather.
The general consensus though was if they had been able to carry on, Alaphilippe may have gained a little time on the descent but lost even more to Bernal on the final climb. Maybe they should have found a way of restarting the stage after the hailstorm and landslide though.
They had to make that call yesterday IMO, and it benefited Alaphillipe (or rather avoided others from inflicting further damage).
Great ride from Bernal, and a brilliant race!
The 'authorities' have many times been accused of ignoring rider safety and I think they reacted quickly and in the fairest way possible avoiding potential accidents.
With a metre thickness of mudslide across the route I guess time was against formulating a 'Plan B'.
There always seems to be something happen in the TdF, even if it's a zealous gendarme pepper spraying several of the peloton!
I was having a beer at the Figtree Bowlo, as one is wont to do, and just happened to glance up at one of the the tellies, and saw that mudslide business!
I'd agree with Mick, there was nowt much else they could do at that point.