Brush Type 4 D1733 in XP64 Blue (Collector's Club)
LMS 10000 Black & Silver Silent & Sound Fitted
LMS 10001 Black & Silver Silent and Sound Fitted
LMS 10000 BR Lined Green (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
LMS 10001 BR Lined Green (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
LMS 10001 BR Green SYP (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
MK1 RFO Crimson & Cream
MK1 RFO Maroon
MK1 RFO Chocolate & Cream
Mk1 FO Chocolate & Cream
MK1 FO Intercity Executive
MK1 FO Intercity Executive
MK1 FO WCRC Maroon DIANA
MK1 FO WCRC Maroon ALEXANDRA
MK3 SLEP Scotrail Caledonian Sleeper
MK3 SLEP Scotrail Caledonian Sleeper
MK3 SLEP Inter-City Blue & Grey Sleeper
MK3 SLEP Inter-City Blue & Grey Sleeper
MK3 SLEP Inter-City Swallow Sleeper
BR Mk3 'Night Riviera' 2-Coach Pack GWR Green First Group (Looks like a SLEP and a TSO?)
BR Mk3 'Night Riviera' 2-Coach Pack GWR Green First Group (Looks like a SLEP and a BFO?)
BR Mk3 'Night Riviera' 2-Coach Pack GWR Green First Group (Looks like a SLEP and a Buffet?)
BR HEA Hopper Wagon BR Bauxite
BR HEA Hopper Wagon BR Bauxite
BR HEA Hopper Wagon BR Railfreight Coal Sector
BR HEA Hopper Wagon BR Railfreight Coal Sector
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van Olive Green with Yellow Ends (Collector's Club)
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van SE&CR Grey
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van SE&CR Grey
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van SR Brown
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van SR Brown
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van BR Grey
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van BR Grey
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van BR Grey
SE&CR 25T 'Dance Hall' Brake Van BR Grey
Twins and the Dance Halls are new tooling, MK3s, Mk1s and HEAs are existing tooling.
There is a God !!!
Ha! Ha! Don't tell me persistence doesn't pay off!
There is, however, one small problem...
...what am I going to gripe about now?
What? No LMS Flatiron? What is wrong with these people? Do they have no idea of their market?
Have a nice day y'all, from one VERY happy bunny!
:D
I'm semi-surprised they're not doing the twins as, you know, a twin pack. I wonder how many of us are going to be buying both because otherwise it would look silly?
Quote from: zwilnik on February 07, 2024, 11:20:01 AMI'm semi-surprised they're not doing the twins as, you know, a twin pack. I wonder how many of us are going to be buying both because otherwise it would look silly?
Since my layouts are set around 1964, I'll just be taking 10001 as by 1963 it was the only one running, so only the one for me, certainly.
Quote from: zwilnik on February 07, 2024, 11:20:01 AMI'm semi-surprised they're not doing the twins as, you know, a twin pack. I wonder how many of us are going to be buying both because otherwise it would look silly?
It would make 'consumer' sense, but not 'manufacturer' sense. Most people would expect a twin pack of Twins to be less than the price of individual Twins.
I am the proud owner of a 57 and two GWR Dapol sleepers. If I buy all three packs I can replicate the Friday night Riviera from Paddington to Penzance in full. I'll have to pre-order those. I had given up on a night Riviera so this is a very nice surprise. Thank you Bachmann.
Quote from: emjaybee on February 07, 2024, 11:27:40 AMQuote from: zwilnik on February 07, 2024, 11:20:01 AMI'm semi-surprised they're not doing the twins as, you know, a twin pack. I wonder how many of us are going to be buying both because otherwise it would look silly?
It would make 'consumer' sense, but not 'manufacturer' sense. Most people would expect a twin pack of Twins to be less than the price of individual Twins.
Not if you put it in a different box and include an LMS postcard and some cheap collectable model (was there an LMS bomber akin to the Vulcan? :) )
Indeed twins surely as a twinpack with one unpowered is just total sense, also a 7 year gap ( early crest) in the livery options is also a bit odd...
The Twins were inevitable, given my track record of kit building or repaints.
But not surprised, they've been long suggested. They did work singly quite a bit, as well as a pair, especially in later life.
Martyn
Splendid, more RTR SECR!
On a more personal note, I'd like to thank
@Bob G (@Dalteth) ,
@Hailstone &
@martyn for making this happen. I know it seems unhelpful, but somehow, whenever enthusiastic & skillful modellers produce an excellent piece of work it somehow seems to move the manufacturing gods into action to enable us mere mortals to possess such items.
I thank you for your sacrifice.
We'll get the usual "costs almost as much to make a dummy loco as it does a powered one" but these really do cry out for a twin pack of powered + dummy. The same applied to the class 28
Therefore I'll be getting just the one model (372-918) of 10001 in green with SYP
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 07, 2024, 12:02:32 PMWe'll get the usual "costs almost as much to make a dummy loco as it does a powered one" but these really do cry out for a twin pack of powered + dummy. The same applied to the class 28
Therefore I'll be getting just the one model (372-918) of 10001 in green with SYP
Green?
GREEN!?Burn the heretic!
(Just kidding Mick, we'll just lightly toast you.)
The DC cost at Rails is £157 and I ain't willing to pay double that for a pair or I might have gone for the more iconic 2 x black/silver LMS (lost my senses) pair
Quote from: zwilnik on February 07, 2024, 11:37:29 AMQuote from: emjaybee on February 07, 2024, 11:27:40 AMQuote from: zwilnik on February 07, 2024, 11:20:01 AMI'm semi-surprised they're not doing the twins as, you know, a twin pack. I wonder how many of us are going to be buying both because otherwise it would look silly?
It would make 'consumer' sense, but not 'manufacturer' sense. Most people would expect a twin pack of Twins to be less than the price of individual Twins.
Not if you put it in a different box and include an LMS postcard and some cheap collectable model (was there an LMS bomber akin to the Vulcan? :) )
Not a very 'LMS' aircraft, but the best I can come up with is the P-82 Twin Mustang...
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/5604-070224121519.jpeg)
I'd buy it!
It's interesting to see that the early BR unicycling lion is missing from the list of liveries the Twins are being released in. I wonder if these will follow in the summer or will they be a collectors club/retailers special?
I'm gobsmacked that the Mk3s using Poole era tooling (30 yrs?) have a RRP just £2.05 less than the batch of Dapol Mk3s due later this year.
The return of the HEA (and the PGA in the class 60 train set) suggests Farish have little interest in updating either of them, perhaps leaving the door open for Dapol, Revolution, Sonic or Rapido to give us an improved version.
Steven B
Also on the list are Class 44, 45, 46.
Is this an overlap with Rapido's plan, or am I overlooking something?
Quote from: emjaybee on February 07, 2024, 01:34:28 PMAlso on the list are Class 44, 45, 46.
Is this an overlap with Rapido's plan, or am I overlooking something?
What list are they on?
Do you mean the OO announcements?
Quote from: Carmont on February 07, 2024, 01:38:37 PMQuote from: emjaybee on February 07, 2024, 01:34:28 PMAlso on the list are Class 44, 45, 46.
Is this an overlap with Rapido's plan, or am I overlooking something?
What list are they on?
Do you mean the OO announcements?
Oops!
Hadn't realised the lists were intertwined.
As you were.
:-[
Quote from: emjaybee on February 07, 2024, 01:34:28 PMAlso on the list are Class 44, 45, 46.
Is this an overlap with Rapido's plan, or am I overlooking something?
I was surprised that they weren't on the N gauge list to be honest, they're very teritorial in 00 gauge so I've been expecting a response to Rapido progressing with theirs.
Cheers Colin
Not likely to buy from this list. I have as many coaches as I need (note "need" rather than "might like"!). As for the Twins. I bought a resin body version a few years ago . Completed it as 10001 without a yellow panel. Applying the transfers for the stripes was a nightmare. Got through a load of transfers - they kept breaking. Cannot really justify buying another! But.......
100001 with a Diesel Brake Tender at Willesden 1965
(https://live.staticflickr.com/8330/8148469556_ff9bcafab3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/dq437q)10001 (https://flic.kr/p/dq437q) by Hugh Llewelyn (https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/), on Flickr
100001 with an engineers' crane train at Kenton, 1964
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1940/31516177908_8a23c6b788_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Q1YDFJ)10001 (https://flic.kr/p/Q1YDFJ) by Trainiac (https://www.flickr.com/photos/29903115@N06/), on Flickr
10001 at Waterloo, 1953
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50746105823_2e0bd4a693_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2kjg4i2)New Faces (https://flic.kr/p/2kjg4i2) by Kevin Lane (https://www.flickr.com/photos/28083135@N06/), on Flickr
10000 at Camden Bank, 1962. It looks like a Type 2 providing assistant. Class 25?
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52391619569_a848cef562_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nPEKcF)LMS 10000 Camden Bank Jun 1962 (https://flic.kr/p/2nPEKcF) by Alan Wheeler Collection (https://www.flickr.com/photos/awheelercollection/), on Flickr
10000 at Bournemouth Central, 1953
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4529/38090394226_2b457620c4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/212Ve9W)10000_BournemouthBelle_BournemouthCent_12-7-53 (https://flic.kr/p/212Ve9W) by Robert Carroll (https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/), on Flickr
Great pics - thank you.
Farish have spared their own blushes as at least now there is a Farish item on my pre order list. :)
I might just plump for a Dance Hall brake van but we'll see :hmmm:
I dare say
@Bob G has ordered maybe 3 or 4 of the diseasels - a couple of black/silver and a couple of plain green :D
One black 10001 diesel as this is in the livery it ran on the SR in 1952-55. It only turned green and got red stripes and new totem when it went back to Willesden in 1956.
It can run alongside my 10201 1Co-Co1 and my Wonder engine 10800.
Two Dance Halls. One grey, one olive. Note both grey ones are Hither Green brakes, but one Olive one is Eastleigh, the other Hither Green.
Bob
Wonder how far I can stretch reality and have at least one of these locos on a preserved charter train based in the 80s / 90s out west... Very tempting.
The Mk. 3 sleepers are an odd choice - these are the old versions based on Poole era toolings from what I can see, and are likely to be significantly inferior to the Dapol equivalents.
The Ivatt Diesel Re-creation Society are recreating LMS 10000 using a class 58 frame, EM2 bogies and an original 1947 Mk1 16SVT English Electric engine with very low hours, previously used as a standby power generator with the Ministry of Defence. It'll be dual braked and heated.
https://lms10000.co.uk/engineering-overview
Another possibility to own one on a preservation layout setup.
I don't need one, but ...
372-918SF LMS 10001 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) - DCC Sound pre ordered :D
I'm very pleased to see a new tooled loco and wagon on this quarters' announcements, despite neither of them being in my era or region. Having had the sound fitted 47s three months ago, and no doubt more announcements in another three months time, I really think the "N Gauge is failing" moaners are talking nonsense. We've never had so many great manufacturers producing such a range of quality, detailed N Gauge models.
Quote from: jamespetts on February 07, 2024, 04:00:07 PMThe Mk. 3 sleepers are an odd choice - these are the old versions based on Poole era toolings from what I can see, and are likely to be significantly inferior to the Dapol equivalents.
The main advantage of using the older versions are that the distinctive window layout on the Mk3b BFO/BSO (only 3 ever built) can be reproduced by printing on the clear bodyshells
https://coaches-library.weebly.com/mk3b---bfo--bso.html
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on February 07, 2024, 04:15:26 PMI'm very pleased to see a new tooled loco and wagon on this quarters' announcements, despite neither of them being in my era or region. Having had the sound fitted 47s three months ago, and no doubt more announcements in another three months time, I really think the "N Gauge is failing" moaners are talking nonsense. We've never had so many great manufacturers producing such a range of quality, detailed N Gauge models.
Well said. I only started modelling in 2021, and I've been impressed with the range and the continual new announcements and new players in the market.
As far as I am aware OO Gauge still doesn't have a full prototype HST with power cars and coaches for example!
I have already ordered a green pair, without yellow panels. I would have preferred the slightly later eggshell waistband colour scheme as that was current in 1959-61, when I first saw them in operation.
Perhaps that scheme and the black with early crests may come later. We live in hope.
I have wanted these for many years and am extremely pleased to see them announced. I would have one of each livery, if funds permitted. This is the best news in N gauge yet, for me.
Quote from: jamespetts on February 07, 2024, 04:00:07 PMThe Mk. 3 sleepers are an odd choice - these are the old versions based on Poole era toolings from what I can see, and are likely to be significantly inferior to the Dapol equivalents.
I am wondering if Farish plan new 47s and 57s in the next announcement. Wouldn't be shocked if a range of GWR 57s were on the cards and this may be an easy way Farish can flog a decent length sleeper rake with it.
Fairly sure the latest Dapol sleeper stuff is Intercity swallow and executive (perfect in my book), but as far as I am aware they have only done a couple of GWR coaches.
Personally I'll stay with the Dapol Mark 3s, but I can see the logic of at least all the GWR sleeper vehicles, if GWR 57s are in the pipeline.
Given the catalogue numbers (see below), I think there's a possibility we'll see another two pairs announced in 3 months time. Purely speculation on my part of course, but on the whole Bachmann seem to use consecutive number series for the same type of products, and also seem to be making more livery variations per batch these days. There's also a precedent in the recent Mk1s releases: an 'E' suffix coach was announced and arrived before the 'D' suffix, so things don't always come out in catalogue number order.
372-910 / 372-910SF LMS 10000 Black & Silver Silent & Sound Fitted
372-911 / 372-911SF LMS 10001 Black & Silver Silent and Sound Fitted
372-912?
372-913?
372-914?
372-915?
372-916 / 372-916SF LMS 10000 BR Lined Green (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
372-917 / 372-917SF LMS 10001 BR Lined Green (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
372-918 / 372-918SF LMS 10001 BR Green SYP (Late Crest) Silent and Sound Fitted
Quote from: pinball on February 07, 2024, 03:45:55 PMWonder how far I can stretch reality and have at least one of these locos on a preserved charter train based in the 80s / 90s out west... Very tempting.
TBH I suspect that a very large number of the sales for one or both of the Twins will be justified by that very excuse...
Richard
Quote from: pinball on February 07, 2024, 04:46:51 PMQuote from: jamespetts on February 07, 2024, 04:00:07 PMThe Mk. 3 sleepers are an odd choice - these are the old versions based on Poole era toolings from what I can see, and are likely to be significantly inferior to the Dapol equivalents.
I am wondering if Farish plan new 47s and 57s in the next announcement. Wouldn't be shocked if a range of GWR 57s were on the cards and this may be an easy way Farish can flog a decent length sleeper rake with it.
Fairly sure the latest Dapol sleeper stuff is Intercity swallow and executive (perfect in my book), but as far as I am aware they have only done a couple of GWR coaches.
Personally I'll stay with the Dapol Mark 3s, but I can see the logic of at least all the GWR sleeper vehicles, if GWR 57s are in the pipeline.
A sensible theory. However, Farish released a set of Mk2F coaches in Intercity Swallow livery last year and we're still waiting for the 47 to haul them. Should have been announced in the same window.
Credit due for The Twins, which will be a much welcomed announcement for many but the 1990's Poole era tooling Mk3s and HEA wagons are a very strange addition.... What's next? A return of pizza cutter wheels on all locos?!
Put me down for a few Inter-City Charter Mark 1 Open Firsts!
I have to admit the re-release of Poole-era printed Mk3s does seem an odd choice. The decoration looks first class but there is no getting past the simple tooling and lack of interiors.
As you may realise, I am still a big fan of these mouldings for the ease of stripping and vinyling but they are much pricier now.
Already giving thought to the batch after next of the Dapol Mk3...InterCity Swallow with white roof looks like a shoe-in.
Will be ordering at least one Dance hall Brake van, in BR Grey, tempted by another in Southern livery as well.
Quote from: pinball on February 07, 2024, 04:46:51 PMQuote from: jamespetts on February 07, 2024, 04:00:07 PMThe Mk. 3 sleepers are an odd choice - these are the old versions based on Poole era toolings from what I can see, and are likely to be significantly inferior to the Dapol equivalents.
I am wondering if Farish plan new 47s and 57s in the next announcement. Wouldn't be shocked if a range of GWR 57s were on the cards and this may be an easy way Farish can flog a decent length sleeper rake with it.
Fairly sure the latest Dapol sleeper stuff is Intercity swallow and executive (perfect in my book), but as far as I am aware they have only done a couple of GWR coaches.
Personally I'll stay with the Dapol Mark 3s, but I can see the logic of at least all the GWR sleeper vehicles, if GWR 57s are in the pipeline.
Farish have already done a GWR Class 57, I have one hauling a rake of Dapol GWR sleepers.
Dapol have done the MK3 coaches for the Castle set, which incidently dont have a green band on the door and coaches for the full GWR HST which do have a green band on the door as per the Night Riviera "day" coaches. All it needs is for Dapol to put a loco hauled chassis under the appropriate three of the latter and altering the lettering so they have a "day" set for the Night Riviera.
Geoff
The Castle HST set does not have the green panel of the doors, as it is supposed to represent the sliding door type of Mk3.
We could certainly make the GWR Night Riveria coaches but would be limited by our existing tooling.
I believe the RFM and Open First have been heavily modified with windows removed and we do not produce the BFO. This would need to be a TGS with a little forgiveness.
This is one area where the old Farish tooling scores well. Curse us with our quality moulded windows, full interior and light-bar readiness! :D
still no 25/3!
I may well be tempted with lms 10000 and 10001 though
old mk3s a very strange choice
tim
i know i saw 10000 on the Pines express in Birmingham ( Great barr ) in the early 60's. I cant recall if it was black or green ( probably dirty ) I dont think i ever saw /01.
Quote from: Adam1701D on February 07, 2024, 08:41:25 PMI believe the RFM and Open First have been heavily modified with windows removed and we do not produce the BFO. This would need to be a TGS with a little forgiveness.
This is one area where the old Farish tooling scores well. Curse us with our quality moulded windows, full interior and light-bar readiness! :D
Adam you know we NEED a mk3b BFO to go with Mk3 intercity liveried coaches.:-[
Plenty of liveries to choose from, I know there were only 3 built but they got about a bit, especially after the disaster, oops! sorry! privatisation happened! :D
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: scruff on February 07, 2024, 09:44:41 PMQuote from: Adam1701D on February 07, 2024, 08:41:25 PMI believe the RFM and Open First have been heavily modified with windows removed and we do not produce the BFO. This would need to be a TGS with a little forgiveness.
This is one area where the old Farish tooling scores well. Curse us with our quality moulded windows, full interior and light-bar readiness! :D
Adam you know we NEED a mk3b BFO to go with Mk3 intercity liveried coaches.:-[
Plenty of liveries to choose from, I know there were only 3 built but they got about a bit, especially after the disaster, oops! sorry! privatisation happened! :D
Cheers
Mark
I 100% agree with you there, Mark. Unfortunately, I don't control the purse strings, so we will probably have to make do with a FO or TGS for now.
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on February 07, 2024, 04:15:26 PMI'm very pleased to see a new tooled loco and wagon on this quarters' announcements, despite neither of them being in my era or region. Having had the sound fitted 47s three months ago, and no doubt more announcements in another three months time, I really think the "N Gauge is failing" moaners are talking nonsense. We've never had so many great manufacturers producing such a range of quality, detailed N Gauge models.
At least my Pre Order list now has Farish, Dapol, Revolution, Rapido, Sonic and NGS in it. It's not so long ago only the first two would have appeared.
I caught a glimpse of a pair of black / silver locos running behind the Bachmann chap during the intro to the video and thought.....are those what I think they are?!
They left it right until the end to confirm, so I did think I was going mad.
Nothing of interest for me (apart possibly for the Mk1s in the "charter" livery, may look into formations for rail tours for those).
Surprised at the MK3s, given their age and relative simplicity compared to the Dapol models, seems a bit odd. Especially given the price is essentially the same as Dapol.
Would seem Bachmann are suddenly keen to fight for their market share (going up against Accurascale in 00 once again with the 31s). A long time ago I wrote a post on here talking about Bachfar giving up market to Dapol (HSTs, 50s, 33s, Westerns....), time a changing?
Skyline2uk
It didn't take me that long to decide and initially 10001 in BR Green with small yellow panel (sound fitted) will be coming my way, I may add 10000 in the earlier BR Green in due course but that would be a non-sound model (Wifey is pretty tolerant but I don't like to take the proverbial...).
Roy
Despite
@emjaybee regularly prodding/begging me to build the twins, :D I am glad that I didn't (I have had quite enough of building locos only for them to become RTR) however I am glad for him like all of us he deserves a win once in a while.
the only item of interest for me is the Dance hall brake van, I will have a BR grey one. I only hope that when Bachman make their next release announcements that a new tool steam loco is at the top of the list and not just another sound fit retread.
Regards,
Alex
Anyone interested in the history of the LMS twins may want to get hold of a copy of the book below.
I am definitely interested in getting one the twins in black but with the early emblem. I believe that both locos ran this way from Spring 1951 to the end of Summer 1956 when they were painted Brunswick green. So, I suppose I could either add the BR emblem using a decal to a plain black one, or wait for GF to produce the version that I want. But how long might this be?
I am also interested in the Brush Type 4 D1733 in XP64 Blue (available through the Bachmann Collector's Club), because like the twins, this is an iconic loco with the distinctive BR double arrow red panel.
However, neither of them would have been seen in the North-East of England, my layout location. I would also need to join the Collector's Club.
Decisions, decisions....
Ian
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/3276-080224034607.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139396)
The night riviera sleepers are always going to have a relatively small market. In view of this I wouldn't expect Dapol to invest in the versions of Mk3 required. I think the Farish night riviera coaches will do the job well enough. You should only run them in the dark anyway.
I'm pleased that the twins are seen as commercially viable in N, disappointed a Southern 4-6-0 isn't on the list.
Graham
Fantastic news :claphappy: :laugh3: :heart2: , it took a while but finally years of polling the most wanted diesel models somebody finally decided to make them. Now i have a dilemma.. my yet to be built layout is going to be end of steam/start of diesel, more diesels though. What livery do i got for... black and silver is iconic and really the draw for these locos, but green is probably more suitable for what i intend to model. 1st world problems ::) I suspect there are going to be a few shop specific livery variants of this, dare i say perhaps even a pair of twins in a nice box with a book or something like the 2nd pullman set?
:doh: I have no willpower whatsoever. I've just ordered the black 10000 372-910 purely on the basis it was so iconic and latterly gave it's life to repair 10001 which I have already ordered in green with SYP. Trouble is, with it being LMS badged I have nothing for it to pull.
Somehow a BR Grey Dance Hall brake van found its way onto the same order :-[
Ordered 10001 in green with SYP.
Well done Farish. :bounce:
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 08, 2024, 11:27:52 AMTrouble is, with it being LMS badged I have nothing for it to pull.
The LMS lettering wasn't removed until 1951. It'd be quite at home on a rake of LMS maroon or BR crimson & cream coaches:
https://flic.kr/p/dAgPxr
Or, as the steam heating wasn't that great on them, you could always stick it at the front of a good train:
https://flic.kr/p/duM6s6
Steven B
Quote from: Steven B on February 08, 2024, 03:30:04 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on February 08, 2024, 11:27:52 AMTrouble is, with it being LMS badged I have nothing for it to pull.
The LMS lettering wasn't removed until 1951. It'd be quite at home on a rake of LMS maroon or BR crimson & cream coaches:
https://flic.kr/p/dAgPxr
Thanks for that. I knew it would be a close run thing as I have MK1s (built 1951 onwards) but rather than 'crimson & cream' I have what I tend to call (and prefer) 'blood & custard' which compares with crimson & cream like so....... (b & c to left)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/264-230816140727-43106466.jpeg)
and compares with Farish Thompsons like so........... (MK1 to left)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/96/264-070720111521-966191973.jpeg)
Farish are on a winner with the LMS/BR 10000/10001 diesels.
I've preordered a "Dance Hall" brake van in BR grey.
Well, from my perspective another underwhelming announcement. Looking for the positives, however, it leaves plenty of room for the smaller players in the N scale market to strut their stuff. Consequently, I'm very much looking forward to contributing to the cash flow of Revolution and Rapido over the next 12 months.
For me 10001 in black and silver would fit in with my 1950 based layout. As yet I am undecided whether to place an order. I'm sure they will sell well, possibly prompting further releases?
I have a Sonic large Prairie on order from Rails. Sonic appear to be a manufacturer who will continue to release steam locos. I don't feel the same about Bachmann. I will therefore hold back for now, awaiting what will be the next loco from Sonic. I want to continue to support him. A County or a King would sell well I am sure.
Quote from: trkilliman on February 09, 2024, 09:31:23 AMFor me 10001 in black and silver would fit in with my 1950 based layout. As yet I am undecided whether to place an order. I'm sure they will sell well, possibly prompting further releases?
I have a Sonic large Prairie on order from Rails. Sonic appear to be a manufacturer who will continue to release steam locos. I don't feel the same about Bachmann. I will therefore hold back for now, awaiting what will be the next loco from Sonic. I want to continue to support him. A County or a King would sell well I am sure.
A County and King are top of my "wants" list. The King leaves a massive gap - we have Duchess, Merchant Navy and A1, A3, A4 etc but no top link WR loco (I know we have the Castle but its not quite a King is it). I'd also like to see the 94xx updated, maybe something for Sonic as they like small WR locos.
I agree with the 94xx, but also what about the rest of the 'old' range , the Crab would be the top of my list ,2P and yes the V2 ,but if it has to be something new , what about a Princess Royal.
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 08, 2024, 06:20:33 PMThanks for that. I knew it would be a close run thing as I have MK1s (built 1951 onwards) but rather than 'crimson & cream' I have what I tend to call (and prefer) 'blood & custard' which compares with crimson & cream like so....... (b & c to left)
"Crimson Lake and Cream" and "Blood and custard" are the same livery.
https://www.bloodandcustard.org/
Early on there was a trial livery known as plum and spilt milk which was based on the LNWR livery of a deep purple and off-white colour.
The difference in colour in the models is down to the tampo printing process used to apply the liveries. Compare Farish to Dapol and you'll see differences too.
What ever you call it, it does look nice with a black loco on the front!
Steven B
Great site, Steven. I've bookmarked it. Thank you
Black 10000 for me too :) Successfully resisting the urge to add 10001 in green (so far) tho' I fear one of those nice SECR dance halls may be too much to resist (it's only an extra 20 ish quid)
C. :)
I can't decide
an olive departmental dance hall anyway
probably that's it as can't keep buying trains ...
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on February 09, 2024, 09:50:34 AMQuote from: trkilliman on February 09, 2024, 09:31:23 AMFor me 10001 in black and silver would fit in with my 1950 based layout. As yet I am undecided whether to place an order. I'm sure they will sell well, possibly prompting further releases?
I have a Sonic large Prairie on order from Rails. Sonic appear to be a manufacturer who will continue to release steam locos. I don't feel the same about Bachmann. I will therefore hold back for now, awaiting what will be the next loco from Sonic. I want to continue to support him. A County or a King would sell well I am sure.
A County and King are top of my "wants" list. The King leaves a massive gap - we have Duchess, Merchant Navy and A1, A3, A4 etc but no top link WR loco (I know we have the Castle but its not quite a King is it). I'd also like to see the 94xx updated, maybe something for Sonic as they like small WR locos.
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Farish have removed the Duchess, Castle and 64xx. The 64xx has though reappeared within a set.
Sonic may well look at doing a 94xx to a modern level of detail expectations. I just see them as the company who will continue to introduce steam. Dapol to maybe a lesser extent.
Quote from: trkilliman on February 09, 2024, 06:49:27 PMFarish have removed the Duchess, Castle and 64xx.
Never say never. I'll warrant reruns in a couple of years :hmmm:
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on February 09, 2024, 09:50:34 AMA County and King are top of my "wants" list. The King leaves a massive gap - we have Duchess, Merchant Navy and A1, A3, A4 etc but no top link WR loco (I know we have the Castle but its not quite a King is it).
I am not sure that the King does leave such a massive gap to be honest, they were quite restricted in terms of route availability (being a "Double Red" axle-loading) so only found on some but not all GW main line routes. I don't think it helps the King's case that people paid up front to DJM for models and that money was then lost due to the debacle that played out, it somewhat poisoned the well, made worse by KR Models somewhat half-hearted attempt at reviving it. I think that the Castle probably adequately covers GW "Top link" and more realistically we could potentially see another run of those, but if I recall correctly the GW variants were quite slow sellers? I wonder if a County might actually be a better proposition...
Personally I would be surprised if anyone else but Bachmann would take on the 94xx given that a new tool model was only recently introduced in their OO range meaning R&D is already there. It was pretty much an ever present in the Farish range going back to the very beginning in 1970 through to early Bachmann days so I reckon it is only a matter of time before it appears again as a Farish model.
Regards
Roy
People are chatting a lot on FB about this model, it seems that the very special Class 47 are selling like hot cakes.
I must admit that new retooling and special livery are appealing.
However, I searched for a long time on the Bachmann website, but impossible to find flowers :no:
So for valentine, I've bought this model :D
My first blue BR locomotive.
Quote from: Roy L S on February 09, 2024, 08:08:41 PMI am not sure that the King does leave such a massive gap to be honest, they were quite restricted in terms of route availability (being a "Double Red" axle-loading) so only found on some but not all GW main line routes. I don't think it helps the King's case that people paid up front to DJM for models and that money was then lost due to the debacle that played out, it somewhat poisoned the well, made worse by KR Models somewhat half-hearted attempt at reviving it. I think that the Castle probably adequately covers GW "Top link" and more realistically we could potentially see another run of those, but if I recall correctly the GW variants were quite slow sellers? I wonder if a County might actually be a better proposition...
I disagree. Kings were used on London to Plymouth, South Wales and Wolverhampton routes - that's a fair chunk of the WR network. If Bachmann/Dapol made one, I doubt people would avoid buying one just because they were originally proposed by a now defunct company.
Given the choice between the two however, as a Cornish modeller, I'd opt for the County.
Quote from: fguy on February 09, 2024, 09:26:01 PMPeople are chatting a lot on FB about this model, it seems that the very special Class 47 are selling like hot cakes.
I must admit that new retooling and special livery are appealing.
However, I searched for a long time on the Bachmann website, but impossible to find flowers :no:
So for valentine, I've bought this model :D
My first blue BR locomotive.
Note please that livery was not exactly 'BR Blue' as it was a few shades lighter although I know you didn't mean that
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 08, 2024, 11:27:52 AM:doh: I have no willpower whatsoever. I've just ordered the black 10000 372-910 purely on the basis it was so iconic and latterly gave it's life to repair 10001 which I have already ordered in green with SYP. Trouble is, with it being LMS badged I have nothing for it to pull.
Somehow a BR Grey Dance Hall brake van found its way onto the same order :-[
He folded like a cheap suit!
:smiley-laughing:
Guilty as charged, M'Lud :-[
Quote from: Newportnobby on February 09, 2024, 10:10:58 PMQuote from: fguy on February 09, 2024, 09:26:01 PMPeople are chatting a lot on FB about this model, it seems that the very special Class 47 are selling like hot cakes.
I must admit that new retooling and special livery are appealing.
However, I searched for a long time on the Bachmann website, but impossible to find flowers :no:
So for valentine, I've bought this model :D
My first blue BR locomotive.
Note please that livery was not exactly 'BR Blue' as it was a few shades lighter although I know you didn't mean that
Yes English is my primary school foreign language. As I did'nt made great studies, I 've a very low level. I apologise for past and future mistakes in my writings. I was writing about general colour only and not the Era 6 futur scheme
Quote from: icairns on February 08, 2024, 03:47:50 AMI am definitely interested in getting one the twins in black but with the early emblem. I believe that both locos ran this way from Spring 1951 to the end of Summer 1956 when they were painted Brunswick green. So, I suppose I could either add the BR emblem using a decal to a plain black one, or wait for GF to produce the version that I want. But how long might this be?
Ian
I've ordered the black unbadged one as a base to work as an SR one (1952-55 period with small bycicling lion). It is missing two lamp irons and two marker lights at each end, but I have the kits and never noticed or cared too much, so long as the livery was right. The larger early emblem was used when it returned to the LMR in 1955 and it then went to toothpaste green livery in 1956.
I'm surprised they did the double stripe orange one, as that only ran for a year on the LMR before they went to a single duck-egg blue stripe on green (with many variants on whether the front doors carried the stripe or not). Still, its common for manufacturers to make the versions people don't want first :)
Best
Bob
Quote from: fguy on February 09, 2024, 10:40:26 PMQuote from: Newportnobby on February 09, 2024, 10:10:58 PMQuote from: fguy on February 09, 2024, 09:26:01 PMPeople are chatting a lot on FB about this model, it seems that the very special Class 47 are selling like hot cakes.
I must admit that new retooling and special livery are appealing.
However, I searched for a long time on the Bachmann website, but impossible to find flowers :no:
So for valentine, I've bought this model :D
My first blue BR locomotive.
Note please that livery was not exactly 'BR Blue' as it was a few shades lighter although I know you didn't mean that
Yes English is my primary school foreign language. As I did'nt made great studies, I 've a very low level. I apologise for past and future mistakes in my writings. I was writing about general colour only and not the Era 6 futur scheme
No need to apologise. Your English is far superior to my French!!
I knew exactly what you meant but just wanted to clarify it for anyone else unaware.
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2024, 11:57:30 PMsmall bycicling lion
Eh? ;)
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2024, 11:57:30 PMit then went to toothpaste green livery in 1956.
Could you please advise where you source your green toothpaste so I can avoid the place :worried:
@Newportnobby since I cant spell I meant a small early BR emblem, and as for the toothpaste livery, it is a white-red-white stripe (toothpaste) on brunswick green body colour.
Happy now? I don't think anyone has made green toothpaste since the experiment in blue margarine to distinguish it from butter :(
Bob
Quote from: Bob G on February 09, 2024, 11:57:30 PMQuote from: icairns on February 08, 2024, 03:47:50 AMI am definitely interested in getting one the twins in black but with the early emblem. I believe that both locos ran this way from Spring 1951 to the end of Summer 1956 when they were painted Brunswick green. So, I suppose I could either add the BR emblem using a decal to a plain black one, or wait for GF to produce the version that I want. But how long might this be?
Ian
I've ordered the black unbadged one as a base to work as an SR one (1952-55 period with small bycicling lion). It is missing two lamp irons and two marker lights at each end, but I have the kits and never noticed or cared too much, so long as the livery was right. The larger early emblem was used when it returned to the LMR in 1955 and it then went to toothpaste green livery in 1956.
I'm surprised they did the double stripe orange one, as that only ran for a year on the LMR before they went to a single duck-egg blue stripe on green (with many variants on whether the front doors carried the stripe or not). Still, its common for manufacturers to make the versions people don't want first :)
Best
Bob
I suspect, as previously mentioned that the black with the early emblem will be released at a later stage, be it 3 months, 6 months or a years time. As stated earlier, there's a gap in the model number sequence which would fit in perfectly with the missing variations.
The XP 47 made its first trip to High Wycombe and Princes Risborough and I am sure it was a lighter shade of Blue than the new Farish model though I haven't seen a model only photos so it might just be the colour printing of the photo .I have a model of XP 47 done for me by Stuart Wright and its a lot lighter and more like I remember seeing it in Risborough.
If Sonic offer a king it should be here by around 2030. It has to be said that Bachmann do a great job of delivering on time.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/6239-110224145313.jpeg)
Ordered Wednesday afternoon, delivered Friday morning.
Nice, but as
@Bob Tidbury says it does look a darker blue than the prototype :hmmm:
Further to this discussion about the shade of blue, here are my two end to end: the new Farish on the left and the much older CJM on the right.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/thumb_231-110224182608.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=139510)
CJM liveried one every time
are there any pictures of the XP64 loco and stock ex works? it may be that like the blood and custard coaches the blue faded rather quickly, which may be why BR opted for a different shade?
Regards,
Alex
Apart from flickr
There's some on
http://www.eastbank.org.uk/br_coaches.htm
And rmweb.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/166491-pics-of-the-xp64-train/
One for Bob
@Bob Tidbury https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/46226099211
R..gadsden
Other links
https://railrevisited.blogspot.com/2019/10/history-life-times-of-rail-blue.html?m=1
https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/5690060098
D. Christie
Paddington
https://www.flickr.com/photos/36844288@N00/49904683002
This amused
https://youtu.be/uwABTgjDoZw?si=kNXndiW1F8yG81Fe
https://youtu.be/U9YFWlKSJT4?si=TzEktjvX-0TA5MXY
Quote from: Chris Morris on February 11, 2024, 02:47:15 PMIf Sonic offer a king it should be here by around 2030. It has to be said that Bachmann do a great job of delivering on time.
The problem there is that since the original Graham Farish product, 2 small manufacturers have announced then failed to produce a model, which would make any of the current companies think twice about taking it on.
As for the disappearance of the Castle, Duchess and Merchant navy I personally beleive that Farish are retooling them for sound like all of their recent releases.
Regards,
Alex
Quote from: Hailstone on February 11, 2024, 09:18:59 PMare there any pictures of the XP64 loco and stock ex works? it may be that like the blood and custard coaches the blue faded rather quickly, which may be why BR opted for a different shade?
Regards,
Alex
Alex
@Hailstone How about this one
XP64 (https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2015/03/18/the-full-xp-british-railways-corporate-identity-1964-1986-part-1/)
Thanks Crewearpley40 that photo of XP in Wycombe station was I think its first outing which terminated at Princes Risborough where I saw it and so it couldnt have faded on its first trip .
I think Farish have got the colour wrong and I will stick with my one from Stuart I trust him to have got the colour as close to the original as he could .
My one looks the same as the C J M version and Chris was an expert modeler and like Stuart would have done a lot of research to get things right .
SORRY Farish but I think you have got it wrong .
With genuine and utmost respect to all involved, I find these discussions regarding paint colour particularly frustrating. We're relying on "evidence" of photographs that may have been taken on different emnulsions of film, different colour "temperatures" of the day, different weather and atmospheric conditions, we then take those photographs and either publish/scan them into book form with all the different variations of the scanning and publishing process, or scan to be displayed on a computer monitor, with all the variations in monitor colour reproduction, and then in some cases combine that with a memory of what we think we saw 60 years ago (!) and come to a conclusion that a manufacturer has got the colour wrong.
As an example, here are two publicity images of the same locomotive, snipped from one of the youtube videos Chris linked to:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/5858-120224095518.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139528)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/5858-120224095532.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139529)
And another one:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/5858-120224100604.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139534)
https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/aj1k84/brush_type_4_d1733_in_the_experimental_xp64/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://thebeautyoftransport.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/1996-7038_btf_8099.jpg?w=678&h=461&crop=1
https://flic.kr/p/Bamsea
https://flic.kr/p/9F4Rkd
https://flic.kr/p/9EP3Cs
Hi All;
The chat about colour density will rage on regardless, as it looks like a dark blue from some of the recent pics and then it faded fairly quickly. The variations in Rail Blue from ex-works to in service were apparent too.
One of the difficulties in modelling is colouring to 'scale'. This was the subject of a lot of discussion with CJM about differing shades looking right or wrong due to scaling. We also used to chat about 'sunny day' and 'rainy day' colours!!
Although it would seem that Farish (Bachmann) do excellent research to get the colour 'spot-on' as far as RAL and tone is concerned the density of such a colour on a model reduced 148 times may appear a little 'heavy' or dark. The green GW150 and Royal 47s suffer (although a little less obvious) from this too. (the Farish GW150 looks a lot darker against the CJM one I own). Finish in semi-gloss or satin/matt will also change the viewer's perception.
The end result is that some people will be happy with the shade as it is the exact tone, but to others it will look 'wrong'.
The XP64 model I did (some years ago) for Bob T would have used Railmatch paint available at the time, so was that shade correct too???
Later;
Stu from NRSW
Quote from: Nbodger on February 11, 2024, 09:41:29 PMQuote from: Hailstone on February 11, 2024, 09:18:59 PMare there any pictures of the XP64 loco and stock ex works? it may be that like the blood and custard coaches the blue faded rather quickly, which may be why BR opted for a different shade?
Regards,
Alex
Alex @Hailstone
How about this one
XP64 (https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2015/03/18/the-full-xp-british-railways-corporate-identity-1964-1986-part-1/)
That's a really good read :thumbsup:
It seems one SECR Dance Hall brake van (all be it modified) made it all the way to the Highlands of Scotland by the early 1980's so I shall have one after all.
Pictures of it up in the Highlands are proving elusive, just one so far and I am scouring Flickr and every book I have got to see if it pops up in the background.
And another from the front cover of the July '64 Modern Railways...
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/882-120224115710.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139546)
Having recently decided to model Era 6 in addition to Eras 4 & 5 then I've just ordered the XP64 loco. It's correct both in terms of livery & location although I believe that the red panels were removed after a couple of weeks.
David
Quote from: msr on February 11, 2024, 06:27:00 PMFurther to this discussion about the shade of blue, here are my two end to end: the new Farish on the left and the much older CJM on the right.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/231-110224182608.jpeg)
Quote from: Bob Tidbury on February 12, 2024, 09:09:23 AMMy one looks the same as the C J M version and Chris was an expert modeler and like Stuart would have done a lot of research to get things right .
SORRY Farish but I think you have got it wrong .
There's no doubt that Chris Marchant was a master modeller but a look at the CJM makes it clear that the livery is not so perfect.
The size of the red field should be the same height as the yellow panel yet it's much smaller on the CJM. And the Farish model is correct in having white rims and no yellow axle boxes.
I don't know the exact blue shade and which of the two is closer – but there are obvious differences of the CJM model to photos.
Personally I think the Farish colour is nearer to the photographs albeit maybe a little dark but not as light as the CJM example.
One must always remember that the colour in photographs will depend on the film type used and lighting including surrounding features like trees and buildings casting reflection.
Reproduction in the colours during printing can also be a variable along with the settings of the device you are viewing with.
These principles apply to both the real thing and the model.
Hiawatha Perhaps at the time the CJM model was done the red square arrows were the only ones available but Stuarts model does have the correct size red square I still think the colour was closer to the real livery I wish I could find the photo,of the full side of the loco in Risborough station .and thn put it on the Forum .
If I can find it I WILL put it on the Forum Facebook page .
Its true as Nbodger said it also does depend on the device and film the photos were made on .But I know it was a long time ago but I am sure it wasnt as dark blue as th Farish model .
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/1147-130224130442.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139575)
Thoroughly unscientific, but using a colour picker on my browser, and choosing three of the prototype pictures (trying to avoid obvious areas of high/lowlight, plus Mike's photo of the Farish and CJM ones - this reinforces that Farish is closer, CJM definitely a bit more green. I'm a big believer that 'right' is oddly subjective though!
I remember a thread on RMWeb, regarding the roof colour of a 92 livery; I'm sure you'll remember it as well Nick. There were forum members who swore Accurascale had gotten the roof colour wrong, and presented photographic evidence to "Prove" it was blue. It was in fact black, as correctly modelled, and when in ex-works condition, it was a glossy black, which reflected the blue from the sky sufficiently to look similar to the bodyside colour of the locomotive.
We can so very easily be misled by lighting conditions, glare and the finish of the paint scheme. If we throw in our memories, our perception, or our perception of our memories, the waters get ever more muddied...
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/168026-kmrc-announce-exclusive-accurascale-00-gauge-class-92-in-stobart-rail-livery-as-92017-%E2%80%98bart-the-engine%E2%80%99/
I do indeed remember that one, and IIRC we had two brands both claiming they had the livery diagrams too, one for a grey roof and one black. :doh:
On the 92s I was surprised they (virtually) all retained blue pantograph wells, I'd happily have seen the models supplied with body coloured ones.
See also the Dapol FGW mk3s - they should have blue roofs, they just weathered to a black, with a nice hard edge provided by carriage washing. I'm glad they're wrong though, the all over blue looks wrong!
Quote from: njee20 on February 13, 2024, 01:06:20 PM(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/1147-130224130442.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139575)
Thoroughly unscientific,
If you take the average of the 3 prototypes, it must be pretty close to the Farish colour. Unscientific also, but I do look at the model and think that the Farish one looks much closer than the aging CJM.
Cheers,
Alan
Here is D1733 in two guises: the CJM-repainted Poole Farish body mounted on a DCC-fitted CJM Saturn 4 chassis hauling an XP64 coach constructed from an Electra Railway Graphics body side on a Bachmann-Farish Mk1 shell and chassis. The second is the newly released Bachmann Collectors Club version hauling the same coach.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/thumb_231-140224185609-139607885.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=139608)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/thumb_231-140224185608-1396061517.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=139607)
I have also attached a couple of photos showing the buffer beam detailing added to the front of the Bachmann version.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/thumb_231-140224185608-1396052320.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=139606)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/thumb_231-150224093503.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=139624)
About 45 years ago in a galaxy 85 miles away, we lived next to a couple with two young children. My wife taught the little girl the names for colours and she was 100% right when asked any primary colour. One day when I was weeding a border, the girl appeared next to me clutching a very blue bucket. "What colour blue is this Mike?". I am sure as a 50 year old she will still have an eye for shades of blue.
On reflection it might well have been XP64 blue, but I can't be sure.
The blue appears lighter in the flesh. Seems like an accurate rendition to me....
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/882-150224150555.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139636)
Here is my modest tribute to D1733 and the XP64 train.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/3276-210224221024.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139820)
I looked up D1733 in one of my old abc combined volumes above and was interested to see a couple of things:
1. There is a photo of D1733 (bottom left below) where the experimental blue livery is noted. However, the photo appears to show a separate yellow warning panel on the cabside of the loco without the double arrow BR logo. It is difficult to determine the colour of this cabside panel as the photo is in black & white.
2. Based on railway magazines of the time, I used to cross out locos that had been withdrawn. This obviously mostly applied to steam locos. Therefore, I was curious to note that sister engine D1734 had been crossed out in my abc.
It turns out that D1734 was involved on the Colton Hill rail crash on 11 January, 1964 and was subsequently scrapped. The loco was only 8 months old. More information here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coton_Hill_rail_crash
Ian
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/139/3276-210224230442.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=139825)
SE & CR derivatives of the 'Dance Hall' brake are due into Rails on Monday. The rest follow over a few weeks
Rails have informed me my BR version 'Dance Hall' brake has been despatched to me
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 04, 2024, 10:04:15 AMRails have informed me my BR version 'Dance Hall' brake has been despatched to me
You obviously have special status
At least some of the new releases were available at the Abingdon show via Osborn's stand.
Martyn
Yep, BR Grey Dance Hall duly purchased for Brickmakers Lane.....
Dave
As is well documented, the LMS Twins were not identical. 10000 emerged in December 1947 and 10001 was born eight months later in July 1948. Consequently, 10001 incorporated several changes as a result of experience with 10000.
I was browsing through my new copy of Bachmann Times, as one does, and I noticed a rather interesting illustration showing the details of these locos and some of their differences at birth and during their later lives. It think it shows the effort that Bachmann made to incorporate these detail differences in the various proposed models.
I thought this might be of interest to others.
Ian
P.S. Some of the detail is easier to read if you click on the image below to enlarge.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/3276-090324233405.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=140225)
Ooh, I like the look of those!
Thay would have looked great in BR Blue with yellow ends
In yer dreams :P
Quote from: Trainfish on March 10, 2024, 12:39:25 AMThay would have looked great in BR Blue with yellow ends
Wasn't 10001 painted blue? I'm pretty sure that I've seen a picture of it in that colour.
Rob.
Gawd, don't encourage him ;)
Quote from: Trainfish on March 10, 2024, 12:39:25 AMThay would have looked great in BR Blue with yellow ends
Been at the Urine Recyc again? :hmmm:
Quote from: Jollybob on March 10, 2024, 03:20:31 AMQuote from: Trainfish on March 10, 2024, 12:39:25 AMThay would have looked great in BR Blue with yellow ends
Wasn't 10001 painted blue? I'm pretty sure that I've seen a picture of it in that colour.
Rob.
ACE Trains did their O-Gauge version in blue (actually closer to the early electric blue than standard BR blue) and also a funny pinky red (supposedly LMS crimson) both entirely fictional and not prototypical...
I'd guess that's what you've see photos of?
https://images.app.goo.gl/mHBSoerFyXApEutYA
Quote from: Bealman on March 09, 2024, 11:44:01 PMOoh, I like the look of those!
Of course you do George.
Deep down you have impeccable taste!
:D
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 10, 2024, 04:26:09 AMQuote from: Trainfish on March 10, 2024, 12:39:25 AMThay would have looked great in BR Blue with yellow ends
Been at the Urine Recyc again? :hmmm:
Actually it was mainly this last night in The Southgate whilst watching Ruzz Guitar yet again.
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I did have a cheeky one of these when I got home though which I was probably drinking at the time of posting:
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Kernow Guildford have the black/silver D16 diesels in stock
Bachmann have just announced an anchor mounted wagon in addition to the spring announcements.
Link here. (https://news.bachmann.co.uk/2024/03/new-n-scale-tank-wagons-break-cover-at-alexandra-palace/?utm_source=Bachmann+Europe+Railway+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b9a0966eb1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_rail-arrivals-31-07-23_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9dcd9c565-b9a0966eb1-465734850)
Quote from: Kris on March 16, 2024, 09:45:34 AMBachmann have just announced an anchor mounted wagon in addition to the spring announcements.
Link here. (https://news.bachmann.co.uk/2024/03/new-n-scale-tank-wagons-break-cover-at-alexandra-palace/?utm_source=Bachmann+Europe+Railway+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b9a0966eb1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_rail-arrivals-31-07-23_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9dcd9c565-b9a0966eb1-465734850)
I feel we are starting to be understood in N gauge. These are the 1940s gap fillers between the older Peco and Farish strapped tank wagons and the Revolution Class A and Class B tanks of the late 1950s. After that came the monobloc TTAs.
Bob
Nice to see a new wagon. I appreciate that they're early samples but I hope the three segments of the tank fit better on the production models.
Steven B
Quote from: Bob G on March 16, 2024, 10:12:51 AMQuote from: Kris on March 16, 2024, 09:45:34 AMBachmann have just announced an anchor mounted wagon in addition to the spring announcements.
Link here. (https://news.bachmann.co.uk/2024/03/new-n-scale-tank-wagons-break-cover-at-alexandra-palace/?utm_source=Bachmann+Europe+Railway+Newsletter&utm_campaign=b9a0966eb1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_rail-arrivals-31-07-23_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b9dcd9c565-b9a0966eb1-465734850)
I feel we are starting to be understood in N gauge. These are the 1940s gap fillers between the older Peco and Farish strapped tank wagons and the Revolution Class A and Class B tanks of the late 1950s. After that came the monobloc TTAs.
Bob
Ah I did wonder how close they were to stepping on Revolution's toes. Nice to see it's something that potentially compliments them.
Would these still be hanging around in rakes with the 1950s Revolution A & B tanks?
Quote from: zwilnik on March 17, 2024, 10:38:11 AMWould these still be hanging around in rakes with the 1950s Revolution A & B tanks?
Definitely around at the same time - the last ones of these were built in 1963, and I've seen photos up to around 1970.
I'm not sure whether they would be in the same rake - the Revolution A & B tanks are vacuum braked, but I think these are handbrake only.
Neil
Yeah, the Revolution ones were built for block train movements (see below pic at Fawley). The Farish ones are more suited to smaller rakes.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/140/1517-170324122352.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=140682)
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Quote from: Newportnobby on March 15, 2024, 05:50:26 PMKernow Guildford have the black/silver D16 diesels in stock
I've been informed Rails now have them too, so I could have something new to play with come this weekend :claphappy:
Has anyone managed to get the body off the new Dance Hall brake van yet? Try as I might (without damaging it) I can't get into it!!!
One of my fellow SW Herts members brought his 10000 to the club last week. Lovely model. What with that and my new release Saltire 158 we were well away! Now do I splash out on a green 10001? I have already "built" one of the AEM resin version in that guise. Hmmm! Rule 1 is getting expensive.
Just finished running in my no. 10 000.
It's a beautiful model of an ugly loco.
For me the speed is just how it should be.
Looking forward to watching it haul a rake of blood & custard Stanier coaches this afternoon.
Quote from: joe cassidy on April 02, 2024, 12:22:21 PMJust finished running in my no. 10 000.
It's a beautiful model of an ugly loco.
Sorry, but I disagree about it being ugly. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, though, so we all feel differently :)