Train crash between Andover & Salisbury

[guest311]

It's a standard double track junction, both trains were heading towards 43 signal via 31 or 37 signals

firstly, I'm no railwayman, but looking at the track plan the only way I could see of getting a train heading towards Salisbury on the up line from the London direction would be :

traveling past signal 29, then divert round the loop towards signal 203.
driver then change ends to travel
wrong line past signals 36 and 40 .

unless of course I'm reading things totally rear end about face 

[guest311]

I am assuming that where the track from signal 31 to signal 43 crosses the track from signal 40 to signal 36 it does so across a diamond crossing, not slip points ?

or have I totally lost the plot 

[davidinyork]

I am assuming that where the track from signal 31 to signal 43 crosses the track from signal 40 to signal 36 it does so across a diamond crossing

From photos online showing the other end of the trains this does look to be the case,

[Coyote]

I am assuming that where the track from signal 31 to signal 43 crosses the track from signal 40 to signal 36 it does so across a diamond crossing, not slip points ?

Correct

[crewearpley40]

Here are maps https://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/westofengland    agree with graham and await the report.

[Coyote]

Leaves on the line caused a SPAD by the South Western train?

[url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769] [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769] [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769[/url]

[GrahamB]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769
Looks like the early reporting was complete rubbish and was "simply" a SPAD.

An excellent example of why it's best to wait for the official reports.

[guest311]

seems as though they were now on the same track ?

why cannot news reporters either check their facts, or even say "at present it is not known how this happened" ?

mind you Network Rail and BTP if quoted correctly do not exactly cover themselves with a reputation for informed comment, though I suppose as long as you get on tv that's what counts.

[acko22]

Hi all,

So details are still too unclear to tell anything as there are still a number of mixed reports, the only thing that is definite so far that has been confirmed is that the SWR class 159 had applied full emergency brakes in which it suffered low adhesion and it did have a SPAD.

Was this the root cause of the incident or an event because of another root cause we don't yet know, but we are expecting an initial release from the RAIB by the end of this week so we have to wait until then. But I for one am just glad that no one was killed but my thoughts are with the driver whom has suffered life changing injuries.

[Coyote]

Always feel for the drivers in these situations, reminds me of a Hastings line incident

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/547c8fe7e5274a428d000159/R182011_111117_Stonegate.pdf

[GrahamB]

Always feel for the drivers in these situations, reminds me of a Hastings line incident

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/547c8fe7e5274a428d000159/R182011_111117_Stonegate.pdf

Yup!
I worked Robertsbridge Box until April 2010. The Signaller on duty (Mentioned in the report) was one of my fellow resident Signallers. He's still rather sore about the contradictions in the report regarding what he said.

[njee20]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59130769
Looks like the early reporting was complete rubbish and was "simply" a SPAD.

An excellent example of why it's best to wait for the official reports.

Conjecture and speculation is natural in virtually any event. Of course we could just say "no discussing until the official report is out", but I don't personally see the harm in discussion. Otherwise we should lock this thread until the official report comes out.

[The Q]

Latest reports are, the first train derailed.
The computer on board the second train reports both the driver and the AWS hit the brakes and the train slid past the red lights 150 yards into the back of the other.

[njee20]

Unsurprisingly the RAIB's initial summary is good.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/collision-between-passenger-trains-at-salisbury-tunnel-junction

[crewearpley40]

May give some thoughts https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-59143021   again best to wait until the release of official reports