Over recent years I've been working on making all my trains more prototypical. Modelling the late 1980s I'm quite luck that most of what I'd like to run has been produced (but perhaps not in the liveries I like!).
There are still some gaps - plenty of them, but I've been giving some thought to what's the most important. The result is my minimal wish list of models either never produced, or not produced to current standards - one wagon, one coach and one loco/multiple unit.
Wagon: HEA
Coach: Mk2 BFK (C or D)
Loco/MU: Class 110
What would be on your minimal wish list?
As a "Brucie bonus" you can add one re-livery of an existing model - a rail freight grey class 47 please!
Steven B
do you mean general grey? (engineers grey?)
i would like class 25/3s
plenty of wagons i would like but not really essential for an 80s layout as lots of options already exist
for a re-livery id go for a new 31 in dutch
tim
If you are complaining about items on your wish list being unavailable just think what it must be like for those of us trying to model the Southern in 1930s, no 4-6-0s RTR and only 2 available as kits and with Union Mills closed we lost 2 0-6-0s and a 4-4-0, not much pre WW2 Schools, N class 2-6-0, M7 and Terrier and a couple of ex SECR; but just about every version of Bulleids pacifics
loco = unrebuilt LMS Royal Scot 4-6-0
coach = LMS Stanier 50' kitchen car
wagon = Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway 20 ton double end door mineral wagon
Loco - ex-SECR D1/E1/L1
Coach - BR EPB
Wagon - LMS vans
Dave
Loco - BR Class 21/29
Coach - Stanier Composite Porthole 60'
Wagon - PTA Thompson Mag Lie Carnegie Montrose Side-ttipping wagon
Re-Livery - New tool Class 47 - BR ScotRail Intercity Red Livery
GE
Loco - LNER/BR V2 to modern standards with sound etc.
Coach - LNER/BR Gresley Suburban(s)
Wagon - Ex LNER Pigeon Van
Re-livery - New tool Class 47 - BR two tone green
Loco - GWR 517 class
Coach - GWR four wheel coaches
Wagon - GWR horsebox
Re-livery: SECR C class in southern lined green goods livery.
MU: Pressed Steel 3 car, later TOPS 117
Coach: Any GWR dining/restaurant still in use in the early 1960s
Wagon: GWR shunters runner
Loco-LNER A1/1
Wagon-Belmond British Pullman full consist
Loco - GWR 10XX County Class
Coach - Gresley Full Brake
Wagon - Palvan
Loco - Falcon
Coach - Gresley full brake
Wagon - RTR Palvan
Loco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
Loco - SDJR 7F 2-8-0
Coach - Mark 3B Pullman
Wagon - Banana van
Bonus livery - 37/4 in Intercity mianline
Quote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 12:10:10 PMLoco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
What's a banana brake van, please?
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on April 26, 2024, 02:06:34 PMQuote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 12:10:10 PMLoco - GWR 850 class saddle tank.
Coach - LMS MTU test coach.
Wagon - LNER banana brake van.
What's a banana brake van, please?
Martyn
A 3D print with curved chassis? :-X
Please no cheating with complete trains (except MUs!) or swapping wagons for extra locos!
It's interesting to see the responses so far - possibly more telling than a generic wish-list which I'm sure would run to dozens of models for most of us!
S.
I'm probably going to get a lot of grief for this for being wrong.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/141/4601-260424152449.jpeg)
But I call it a banana brake van.
Quote from: Jollybob on April 26, 2024, 03:27:00 PMI'm probably going to get a lot of grief for this for being wrong.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/141/4601-260424152449.jpeg)
But I call it a banana brake van.
Never seen or heard of it, but a wonderful quirky piece of rolling stock!
Sorry for doubting you....
Martyn
Okay, I'll go for:
Locomotive: Class 87
Wagon: Imerys TEA china clay slurry tank
Carriage: Mk2e chair car and Mk2f lounge to run with Mk3 sleepers (this would obviously be a twin pack, so it only counts as one!)
Jim
Loco - ex-LMS Garratt
Coach - n/a
Wagon - Prestwin
Loco: Class 81
Coach: Mk2Cs
Wagon: FFA/FGA bookset
Re-livery: Farish 37/4 in IC Mainline as per Manchester club trains so 415, 416, 417, 419, 426 or 430.
Class 81
Class 85
AC Electric 304 / 310
Loco CL195/CL331
Coach meh!
Wagon FCA container flat
John P
Quote from: Steven B on April 25, 2024, 01:28:11 PMOver recent years I've been working on making all my trains more prototypical. Modelling the late 1980s I'm quite luck that most of what I'd like to run has been produced (but perhaps not in the liveries I like!).
There are still some gaps - plenty of them, but I've been giving some thought to what's the most important. The result is my minimal wish list of models either never produced, or not produced to current standards - one wagon, one coach and one loco/multiple unit.
Wagon: HEA
Coach: Mk2 BFK (C or D)
Loco/MU: Class 110
What would be on your minimal wish list?
As a "Brucie bonus" you can add one re-livery of an existing model - a rail freight grey class 47 please!
Steven B
Locomotive: class 117 DMU
Carriage: Mark 3 TRFB
Wagon: FEA container flat (modern tooling, not the Poole era Farish type which I have)
Hmm, tough one...
Loco: LMS Garrett
Coach: Not sure what it's called, the type of coach used in push-pull trains, with a driver's cab. In LMS livery.
Wagon: no idea, haven't researched freight yet
Oh go on the, can't do any harm:
Locomotive: LNER V1/3 (big gap in N for a large LNER passenger tank, and already exists in 4mm)
Carriage: Ideally NER clerestory non-corridor as also used in Scotland and East Anglia. At a push a generic Bain one which could also be issued in midland/LMS livery.
Wagon: really can't think of any.
Relivery: Nope.
A Beatles train like Hornby have released in OO :)
Loco - LSWR king Arthur (Assuming we don't count the underdeveloped Dapol West Country/BoB.
Coach - MK1 BSO
Wagon - GWR wooden bodied tool van
Loco- class 81
coach- Mk2 pullmans
Wagon- FFA? FGA? container flats
With latest Revolution announcement a big item is crossed off in the form of WIAs (never essential, just cool).
But I will play:
Loco: Class 455
Coach: Pass, unless you count re-releases of TSOs to make them more common.
Wagon: PHY/JYA Yeomans (purely to add variety and make more prototypical rakes for the 59s).
Bonus Re-livery: Swallow Class 47/8 (come on Farish this shouldn't be a big ask!)
Skyline2uk
Loco - GWR Metro tank
Coach - Any GWR Kitchen or Restaurant coach.
Coach 2 (as I can't think of a wagon) GWR Sleeper stock.
Quote from: scruff on April 27, 2024, 10:25:53 PMLoco- class 81
coach- Mk2 pullmans
Wagon- FFA? FGA? container flats
Agree
@scruff Essential wcml stock. An 85 be nice. Yes correct FFA and FGA flats
From a (potential) layout point of view, there is little that I would need/like that hasn't been done for one set in the Scottish Highlands in the 80s. Still, there's always rule one....
Layout based:
Loco: As mentioned upthread a Red Stripe 47 with ScotRail branding. Although I have an old GF 47487 as a donor test for having a go myself.
Coach: Anything with ScotRail branding in either B/G, ScotRail blue stripe or the later version thats not been done.
Wagon: Without doubt the OTA
Rule One:
Loco: I suppose Rapido might get to it eventually but I'd have 97403 Ixion (Class 46)
Coach: Dapol Gresley buffet in B/G even though it wouldn't be totally correct.
Wagon: don't know...
Hi
Locomotive : Class 76
Coach : Mk1 RKB
Wagon : Petroleum Coke Hopper
Cheers
Paul
Been racking my brains on this one for a while.
All I can really come up with that would have me throwing fistfuls of cash is a 442.
Here is my list.
Loco: 0-4-0ST Peckett
Coach: SECR Genesis coaches (4-wheel)
Wagon: OTA
For a new repaint, I would go for the class 37418 in Loram livery.
(I am lucky Dapol is already planning a class 56 in DCR livery.)
Quote from: njee20 on April 28, 2024, 11:35:17 PMBeen racking my brains on this one for a while.
All I can really come up with that would have me throwing fistfuls of cash is a 442.
I did look at seeing if a 442 would be possible, using the existing Dapol Mk3 as a base. By the time all the mods had been carried out, it would be just as expensive as new tooling.
In the current climate, I cannot see this happening. The resulting train would be lovely but very expensive!
Yes, not surprised at all; unique plug-door mk3s with external yaw dampers, different bogies, the MBLS as a totally unique coach (and two different variants thereof) with different underframe.
I think the fact it uses mk3 coaches is almost moot - I can't see much being reusable from an existing tooling.
For a SR EMU they're fairly versatile though; could ignore the original MBLS, and then you've got minimal variation (cab front cable covers on/off) and 6 potential livery variations, nice wide geographical spread, with plenty of drags away from the 3rd rail too.
Anyway, apologies for the tangent, that's just my thought, no part of me is surprised they've not been done!
This has made a realise I have 1 to many projects on the go and so little focus.
Locomotive: 1950's Railbus
There are more practical suggestions which I think will come eventually like the Class 170 or items which would be more useful to me like the class 73/9 but going with my heart I think the technology (Onboard DCC and stay alive) makes the little 4 wheeler chassis viable and it would be a impressive model if done right.
My preference would be Park Royal (Operating on both London Midland and Scottish Regions). As long as it operated in Scotland I would be happy. (Which I think only rules out the Waggon und Maschinenbau Railbus). Alternatively maybe the Wickham Railbus would be a stronger choice despite only operating in passenger service in Scotland as consideration could be made to see what was required to also tool up the Elliot Track Recorder.
Coach: Mk2d TSO
I do like jamespetts suggestion of the "Mark 3 TRFB", A 3 windowed buffet car would be a good addition and allow me to swap out the 4 window form something more fitting.
The MK2 brakes (2e BUO, 2a BFK, 2d BFK) are all tempting but I drop them down my Wishlist only because I can work around the lack of them. My choice is a Mk2d TSO as it would be the most numerous one I would buy in ScotRail Express, Intercity Executive and EWS Business.
I have converted a 2F TSO into a 2D TSOT but I would rather buy RTR than do that conversion another 12+ times.
Wagon: VDA
I Would support a modern HEA and RTR OTA wagons have always been appealing.
I like GlenEglise's suggestion of the "PTA Thompson Mag Lime Carnegie Montrose Side-tipping wagon". Sticking with the same theme I picked something different.
Repaint: Class 66 Royal Scotsman
Scotrail Class 47/7 is top of my list but feels a wasted choice as it has been done, I am just being greedy and wanting more. I have instead picked something I don't believe has ever been done despite 3 manufacturers.
Loco S&D 7F 2-8-0
Coach LMS Restaurant Car on 6 wheel bogies
Wagon LMS 6 wheel fish van
Good choices Bulleidman.
However, a 50' kitchen car would be more practical than a restaurant car as Farish already have the chassis and the bogies.
Quote from: joe cassidy on April 29, 2024, 08:45:11 PMGood choices Bulleidman.
However, a 50' kitchen car would be more practical than a restaurant car as Farish already have the chassis and the bogies.
Actually, adding a 68' 6-axle Restaurant car would also allow them to use the same chassis for a number of sleeper car designs. A 50' RK would be great too, though.
The 68' restaurant car would have more play value than the kitchen car as the kitchen cars were generally sandwiched between first, third or composite open coaches whereas the restaurant cars were often picked up or dropped off en route at either end of a train.
I have kit-built models of both but I would love to replace them with rtr versions.
Loco S&D 7F 2-8-0
Coach LMS Porthole
Wagon None in particular as have too many
Loco: NBL Class 41 (D600)
Unit: BRCW Class 118 in all over BR Blue, running as W51312/W51327, set number P480.
Coaches: Mk2a in blue/grey and NSE
Wagons: PAA, PRA.
Loco: Any First gen suburban 3/4 car DMU - surely this is a huge hole in the market
Coach: Revolution, please hurry up with the K Pullmans - I'm 75 already!
Wagon: Met Railway Hurst Nelson brake van - not very likeley!
:beers:
NBL Type 2 Class 21/29
MK1 TPO Stowage Van & TPO Stowage Brake
Oakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
Loco: un-rebuilt Patriot
Coach: ex-L.M.S. Push-Pull driving coach.
Wagon: (?) Brake Tender.
Chris
Quote from: Carmont on May 01, 2024, 08:28:31 PMNBL Type 2 Class 21/29
MK1 TPO Stowage Van & TPO Stowage Brake
Oakbank Oil Co./BP 40 Ton bogie tank wagon
Good shout, I would love a 21/29. Sadly I think that when RevolutioN proposed it as a crowdfunded initiative back in 2015 it was maybe a bit too early in their existence and the crowdfunding model not well proven.
Also probably fair to say that back then it was proposed as an outsourced model produced by Dapol whereas today it would be one where RevolutioN would likely be much more "hands on" with spec, design, choice of factory.
If not made by RevolutioN then sadly I can't personally see anyone else picking it up which is a shame, because if Dapol can make a 22 viable as an N product then the 21/29 would surely be equally so and they have made one in OO (very nice too) :hmmm:
TPO stowage van - makes perfect sense too :thumbsup: .