Judging by the email I just got from Liverpool, these have landed...
:ngauge:
And judging by the photo which Rails have just uploaded to their website, we have another DVT in the wrong colours.
I've asked them to send me a photo of one next to an IC Mk3 before they ship my pre-order to me.
(http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g268/jivebunnystudios/NewDVT_zpsbdda0ff7.jpg)
JB
Quote from: jivebunny on February 18, 2015, 05:51:34 PM
we have another DVT in the wrong colours.
Me no understand, do tell please.
Nigel
Given Dapol's track record on liveries it would not surprise me but it is hard to tell from the photos as looking at the yellow on the DVT the saturation/brightness level is high where as the coach photo has a high contrast level......so I would not leap to a conclusion just yet from those photos.
Quote from: Buzzard on February 18, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
Me no understand, do tell please.
The large black band is supposed to be black, not brown. This was the main problem with the old DVT. But yes, as Truffles says there's a big difference between the yellow in both photos so it'll be hard to tell without seeing them side by side and we should wait for something more definitive before writing it off as another duff livery.
JB
Excellent to see these are now on release as sole items. With the recent release of the DRS 37 the Network Rail DVT is a perfect load for one of these - already getting ideas of a Greater Anglia repaint...
Hi I got emails from Hattons as well, but only after wigging them over website lagging behind releases elsewhere.. just hope that the samples I have seen elsewhere match actual production. But welcome the yellow one
Robert
Is the problem that the shade used does not match the Mk3 coaches in IC livery?
I don't think that the bodysides are supposed to be black, I think they are supposed to be executive dark grey (its been a long time since I looked at sectorization era liveries so I am prepared to be wrong on this). If you look at the originals, the sides are a different, lighter colour than the black around the headlights.
(http://www.traintesting.com/images/82101_Bham_Int.jpg)
Or am I looking at the wrong thing? ???
Nope, you're looking at the right thing. The issue is that the entire Dapol IC Swallow range has now been corrected to the darker grey, yet the DVT seems to have been re-released in the old light-grey (almost brown) scheme that doesn't match the rest of the range. It only matches the old, discontinued Mk3s which were superseded by the new, corrected releases a year or so ago. I agree that the grey on the current ICS range is possibly a little bit too dark, but it's not drastically wrong and at least everything matches - Power cars, HST trailers, L/H Mk3s and HST/L-H buffets. The only thing that stands out like a sore thumb is the DVT which seems to still be in the same scheme as the discontinued stock.
Hopefully someone will be along soon with a photo of the new DVT with a new Mk3, as until we actually see both together we can't be 100% sure that Dapol have actually made a mess of it. It's looking likely though unfortunately.
JB
Upper bodyside colours should be Executive dark grey- Brownish shade but darker than Dapol's first releases- on Executive livery rolling stock. (see pictures of 87006- )
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/11224843746/#in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonf45sphotos/11224843746/#in/photostream/)
When Intercity swallow livery was introduced it used the darker shade of Falcon grey.
It is possible that some early swallow livery repaints used Executive dark grey though..
DVT's were all Falcon grey.
HTH
Mark
Granted, as with most livery transitions some stock will have carried Executive-livery with Swallow logos for a time.
Would have been a great excuse for Dapol when they released their original batch of Swallow Mk3s in what looked like Executive colours, although I don't think that was what they were really aiming for! In any case, as you say the DVTs were rolled out of the factory in Swallow livery so there's no excuse for the Executive colours on the DVT, which makes it all the more baffling that the new release of the DVT should still be in Executive livery with Swallow logos, if indeed that's the case. I'm still hoping someone will come along with a photo of the new DVT that will prevent me from cancelling my pre-order along with the £300 worth of other Dapol pre-orders I've placed...
What will it be like the day Dapol start offering factory-fitted sound eh? 142 with a Deltic engine anyone?
JB
I'm with you on the if it doesn't match then I'm not buying it line JB.
As for the 142 with the deltic engines... I'd imagine that it will be a lively performer!! :D
Cheers
Mark
Introducing the Flying Donkey :smiley-laughing:
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on February 19, 2015, 11:53:19 AM
Not a problem for me as I'm going for the yellow one.......
Helpful.
I hope Dapol have included a bag of detailing parts to glue onto the front end so that the model's not restricted to sitting outside Derby RTC awaiting its measuring equipment, or stock moves preceding its entry into service.
;)
JB
So, these have now been available for two days and any pre-orders will presumably have arrived on doormats / desks, yet not a single photo seems to have appeared other than on the retailers' websites. Is it just me or is that not a good sign? I would have thought they'd be quite sought-after if they were in the correct livery.
JB
Quote from: jivebunny on February 20, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
So, these have now been available for two days and any pre-orders will presumably have arrived on doormats / desks, yet not a single photo seems to have appeared other than on the retailers' websites. Is it just me or is that not a good sign? I would have thought they'd be quite sought-after if they were in the correct livery.
JB
How do you expect one photographed by someone at home to differ from the one that Kernow photographed? Their's is the photo you posted on RMWeb yesterday. I would be very surprised if they are not all the same. Or is the suggestion that the Kernow photo is misleading? I expect you have checked with them already that the photo is of the new batch before reposting their photo.
I think that most people who have them already are:-
a) happy with them; or
b) unhappy with them and sent them back; or
c) did not realise there was a big issue with the livery; and/or
d) not visitors to this forum.
Even if the livery has detailed issues with the tints used I reckon for a lot of folk it will not matter to them.
Quote from: woodbury22uk on February 20, 2015, 03:05:54 PM
How do you expect one photographed by someone at home to differ from the one that Kernow photographed? Their's is the photo you posted on RMWeb yesterday. I would be very surprised if they are not all the same. Or is the suggestion that the Kernow photo is misleading? I expect you have checked with them already that the photo is of the new batch before reposting their photo.
Thanks for your insightful response but you seem to have completely missed the point, unless you can explain how the photos from Dapol / Rails / Kernow allow us to determine whether Dapol's DVT matches Dapol's Mk3s.
Where did I say I expected the models received to be any different to the photos? What I'd like to know before buying is whether Dapol have corrected the livery as they've done with the coaches (thus we have matching models), or just re-issued the old incorrect livery with a new number.
The photo Kernow and Rails posted clearly show 82101, so I don't think there's much debate to be had over whether it's the new batch or not. Rails have explicitly confirmed their photo show the new model as received. Kernow posted their own watermarked photo to their website and to Dapol's Facebook page the day they received their stock, so I think we can reasonably conclude that it's the actual model as received and they haven't just decided to slap together a photoshopped image of the old, inaccurate model the day the stock came in.
Quote from: woodbury22uk on February 20, 2015, 03:05:54 PM
I think that most people who have them already are:-
a) happy with them; or
b) unhappy with them and sent them back; or
c) did not realise there was a big issue with the livery; and/or
d) not visitors to this forum.
Granted, some people are happy to spend £35 on unfinished, sub-standard products and that's their problem to deal with once they add it to their rake of Mk3s and realise it looks completely out of place. However modellers who bought the first one, realised it looked terrible, and have since been on pre-order lists for a very long time waiting for the corrected livery to be released are going to be a little bit miffed if after all that time the manufacturer just re-runs the old livery - a livery which is not only still just as wrong but no longer actually matches anything else in the range since everything's been re-issued in corrected liveries. Similarly, these people wouldn't be happy buying a rake of current-release coaches in the same livery and getting home to find out one of them's in a different colour scheme, or a lovely silver-and-red Pendolino to find one of the driving cars is actually white-and-red, or ten rolls of light blue wallpaper to find one of them is actually light green.
It's a shame people are apparently willing to accept whatever manufacturers deem to be roughly passable.
JB
Quote from: jivebunny on February 20, 2015, 03:58:00 PM
Thanks for your insightful response but you seem to have completely missed the point, unless you can explain how the photos from Dapol / Rails / Kernow allow us to determine whether Dapol's DVT matches Dapol's Mk3s.
Where did I say I expected the models received to be any different to the photos? What I'd like to know before buying is whether Dapol have corrected the livery as they've done with the coaches (thus we have matching models), or just re-issued the old incorrect livery with a new number.
I think that part of Mike's (woodbury22uk) point was that the photos show that Dapol haven't corrected the livery to match their later Mk3s.
Repeatedly posting a similar thing isn't going to change that.
While I agree with you that Dapol should have done better, nothing is going to be changed now that the models have been produced (unless Dapol do a product recall). The issue of whether to purchase them or not is a difficult one - if you do then do we risk accepting any old tat? If we don't what are the likelihood of them being re-run?
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: jivebunny on February 20, 2015, 02:43:59 PM
So, these have now been available for two days and any pre-orders will presumably have arrived on doormats / desks, yet not a single photo seems to have appeared other than on the retailers' websites. Is it just me or is that not a good sign? I would have thought they'd be quite sought-after if they were in the correct livery.
JB
The photos on the web appear to be too separate pictures, with two distinctly different exposures.
Maybe, instead of surmising, a better approach might have been a post such as:
"Has anyone received the new issue of DVT? If so would someone mind posting a photograph of it next to the latest and correct coloured coaches, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance."?
Just a thought....
Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 20, 2015, 04:44:29 PM
The photos on the web appear to be too separate pictures, with two distinctly different exposures.
There's no question about whether they're different pictures or not, since they were all taken by different companies and the DVT is at different angles in each one. However, regardless of the exposure (Kernow's looks pretty much spot on judging by the yellow warning panel) they all seem to show a livery which won't match the current Mk3s since their rooves and sides are almost black in appearance, which doesn't appear to be the case on the DVT.
Quote
Maybe, instead of surmising, a better approach might have been a post such as:
"Has anyone received the new issue of DVT? If so would someone mind posting a photograph of it next to the latest and correct coloured coaches, I'd appreciate it very much. Thanks in advance."?
Just a thought....
Sorry, I didn't think I'd asked in a particularly rude way in my original post. My post today was just stating my surprise that no photos had yet been posted, since normally that's one of the first things people do when they receive or pick up new releases. MDR have had one on eBay at standard RRP for three days now and nobody's bought it. Seems a bit unusual for a long-awaited, low-price item you'd expect to be selling like hotcakes.
Quote from: jivebunny on February 19, 2015, 10:22:53 AM
Hopefully someone will be along soon with a photo of the new DVT with a new Mk3, as until we actually see both together we can't be 100% sure that Dapol have actually made a mess of it. It's looking likely though unfortunately.
JB
Anyway, it looks like the general consensus is that Dapol still haven't been able to produce a correct livery on the IC DVT, despite a six-year wait and the rest of the Swallow Mk3 range having been corrected.
I think I'll cancel the £315 of Dapol pre-orders I have with various retailers until they up their game a bit. Hopefully Rapido's arrival on the N market will prompt them to stop being so lazy with their N range.
JB
I didn't think you were rude either, it's a pity if it came across that way. I apologise that it did. I was just trying to be helpful.
It would be a pity if you cancelled Dapol orders that were correct, as that would seem a bit self defeating.....
In either case, if the livery is wrong, and you don't want to accept it, I'd suggest digging out some cardboard and writing a stiff letter to Dapol.
Again, just a suggestion.
Happy modelling.
Hi Gang,
Saw a couple of the new issue IC DVTs at Glasgow Show today.
I can confirm that they ARE the same lighter shade as before.
Whether you buy or not is personal choice.
I have the earlier versions and they are fine.....not perfect, but fine!!
No sign of any yellow Network Rail version anywhere at the show.
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Quote from: ScottyStitch on February 20, 2015, 06:03:55 PM
I didn't think you were rude either, it's a pity if it came across that way. I apologise that it did. I was just trying to be helpful.
It would be a pity if you cancelled Dapol orders that were correct, as that would seem a bit self defeating.....
In either case, if the livery is wrong, and you don't want to accept it, I'd suggest digging out some cardboard and writing a stiff letter to Dapol.
Again, just a suggestion.
Happy modelling.
Ok in that case I misinterpreted what you were trying to say, sorry.
The problem is that I have no reason to believe my other Dapol pre-orders will actually be correct, so it's not self-defeating in that it just means I'm not committing money to potentially junk products, opting instead to only buy them once I've been able to see them and determine that they're not completely wrong. I think we all expected the DVT to be correct, but all the evidence so far points to it being a simple re-issue of the old model with just a different number, despite the massive wait and a further six-month delay on top of that. On that basis, it would be a bit naive of me to expect my re-issued HST to match the rest of the current Mk3 range, or my two 142s to be up to an acceptable standard.
I suppose those of us who aren't happy could just ship our DVTs to Dapol and request that they be brought up to standard. If they receive enough they may actually do something about it, although with their track record of trying to keep customers happy I'd imagine they'll just end up being returned to sender.
Quote from: StufromEGDL on February 20, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
Hi Gang,
Saw a couple of the new issue IC DVTs at Glasgow Show today.
I can confirm that they ARE the same lighter shade as before.
Whether you buy or not is personal choice.
I have the earlier versions and they are fine.....not perfect, but fine!!
No sign of any yellow Network Rail version anywhere at the show.
Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Well, I think that settles it then. Thanks Stu!
I also have the previous version of the IC DVT and whilst the physical model itself is fine and the DVT looks acceptable on its own, it's most definitely not fine from a modelling perspective when you see it coupled up to the current Mk3s. As I said earlier they were ok with the first batch of IC Mk3s since they were also in the wrong colours.
I've dropped Rails an e-mail to cancel my Dapol pre-orders.
JB
Am I wrong in imagining a bit of judicious weathering wouldn't even out the shades a bit? Surely, if you're really bothered by fine details, then you won't be running these coaches un-weathered anyway -- what would be even less prototypical than a shiny bit of railway hardware!
Few of my BR blue diesel models seem to be the same colour. Some are more greenish than others, some are lighter, and some are darker. But that's exactly how I recall the real locomotives looking too. For sure not mint condition like that, but by the time the sunshine had bleached them and the grime had coated them, they were all different shades of banger blue.
The Dapol Mk3 coaches and trailer look like pretty decent models, especially compared to the older Farish ones. So can't you even out any slight differences in colour with a magic wave of an airbrush stoked up with thinned Humbrol Metal Cote #27004?
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: NeMo on February 20, 2015, 07:28:26 PM
The Dapol Mk3 coaches and trailer look like pretty decent models, especially compared to the older Farish ones. So can't you even out any slight differences in colour with a magic wave of an airbrush stoked up with thinned Humbrol Metal Cote #27004?
I doubt it - it's a huge difference - IMHO the only solution is to repaint that band and the roof - do-able but a fair masking job.
Cheers,
Alan
I'm the same as you JB, waited ages thinking we would get a matching rake of coaches only to find out the new one has the same colour problems as the initial batch.
The original ones only match the 3 early release Loco hauled coaches so to get a matching 8 car set is impossible.
The later release Darker loco hauled coaches have been around a while, 3 x SO, buffet and 2x FO which need a matching DVT.
I'm disappointed that Dapol have released the DVT like this but it isn't the end of the world.
The early release coaches are quite close to Executive dark grey so I'm considering redoing them as Executive livery and changing the logo's on the "Intercity125 Executive livery loco hauled" coaches to the swallow italic lettering, which will probably be easier than correcting them!
As regards the DVT, I've got the 2 original ones which I will continue to run with Test Car 10.
Hopefully 2 weeks and Farish will announce an Intercity livery Mk1 BG.
Cheers
Mark
My IC DVT has just arrived-I am disappointed at the livery-but for different reasons to the above.
The different shade of grey can be lived with-as can the roof, there is enough evidence floating around the net to say that these did vary in shades of colour (depending on light and weather).
However :veryangry: the change in beige is very noticeable!!
:censored:
Mine has arrived. No colour comparisons yet, but there is a distinct lack of detailing parts...
Lovely instructions telling me how to fit the parts... just no parts... :worried:
Playing devils advocate here,bremember that the DVTs were built in 1988 and would not have been an exact match to much of the mk3 stock of the day.
They were also built to the international Stock body profile, which also didn't match the older coaches.
Dapol always seem to struggle with 1980s liveries. The first run of the DVT was a very odd shade.
Quote from: captainelectra on February 22, 2015, 08:04:34 AM
Playing devils advocate here,bremember that the DVTs were built in 1988 and would not have been an exact match to much of the mk3 stock of the day.
They were also built to the international Stock body profile, which also didn't match the older coaches.
Dapol always seem to struggle with 1980s liveries. The first run of the DVT was a very odd shade.
The DVT's were released in the same colours as the class 90's and coaching stock was painted to match eventually as it was reliveried from executive livery.
Upper bodyside should be Falcon grey and the beige part of the lower bodyside should be Executive light grey on the DVT.
The only differences between Executive and Swallow livery should be the upper bodyside, red stripe which was more orangey on later executive and Swallow livery and the lettering which was standard rail alphabet as per Blue/Grey but in black on Executive livery.
All I wanted was a matching rake of coaches! :'(
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: captainelectra on February 22, 2015, 08:04:34 AM
Playing devils advocate here,bremember that the DVTs were built in 1988 and would not have been an exact match to much of the mk3 stock of the day.
As has been said mutliple times, the DVTs were outshopped in Swallow livery. They therefore matched everything else that was in Swallow livery - 90s, 86s, 87s, 31s, 37s, 47s, that beast of an 89, the Mk4 sets and of course, the Mk3s. The same should therefore logically apply to a model representing it. I don't think there are any complaints about the body profile, it was indeed a different profile to the Mk3 and Dapol seem to have got that right. It's just getting the main colours right that they seem to struggle with.
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on February 22, 2015, 09:48:30 AM
Sadly the NWR DVT doesn't have the measuring equipment......
Another great model then. Maybe the next batch of buffer-fitted 43s won't actually have buffers, it's not as if they're a prominent feature... :whistle:
JB
The Hattons chaps are lobbing them in the post...
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on February 22, 2015, 09:48:30 AM
Quote from: Luke Piewalker on February 21, 2015, 06:33:54 PM
Mine has arrived. No colour comparisons yet, but there is a distinct lack of detailing parts...
Lovely instructions telling me how to fit the parts... just no parts... :worried:
Mine were in a small bag sitting in the inlet in the foam insert. Contact your supplier.
Sadly the NWR DVT doesn't have the measuring equipment...... but the bag does contain disc brakes, chain and pipes.
Its a bit weary all this, how hard is it to get the colour right when you have already got it sorted for the coaches?
Lost in translation to Chinese yet again now doubt.
But at £41 now, sorry you can keep it.
I am no longer parting with hard earned brass for sub standard products.
I quite agree Dr Deltic...
Anyone for a coffee flavoured TGS??
Mark
Quote from: dr deltic on February 22, 2015, 06:59:12 PM
Its a bit weary all this, how hard is it to get the colour right when you have already got it sorted for the coaches?
Lost in translation to Chinese yet again now doubt.
But at £41 now, sorry you can keep it.
I am no longer parting with hard earned brass for sub standard products.
The thing is, there are other errors with this model - assuming that the re-runs are identical to the originals, the silver light surrounds are wrong for the IC version, the swallow has been inverted on one side. It's only the massive error of the livery colouring that's making folks not see the others.
I don't understand why these liveries seem so difficult for manufacturers to get right - in OO gauge Hornby didn't get the Exec HSTs right originally (too light as this is), in N Bachfar's interpretation of IC swallow on Mk3s and HST looked again a bit too light for the upper body colour.
Only Poole Farish seemed to get this right first time...
Cheers,
Alan
Quote from: Dr Al on February 22, 2015, 07:08:28 PM
The thing is, there are other errors with this model - assuming that the re-runs are identical to the originals, the silver light surrounds are wrong for the IC version, the swallow has been inverted on one side. It's only the massive error of the livery colouring that's making folks not see the others.
Going by the retailers' photos, the light surrounds seem to have been switched to black for this release.
On the old model the logo being upside down I could actually live with, as well as the horrible silver light surrounds which I don't think are prototypical for any Swallow DVT, but
the entire thing being in the wrong colour is the error that takes the biscuit I think.
JB
I'm so glad I model BR blue :thumbsup:
Quote from: Trainfish on February 22, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
I'm so glad I model BR blue :thumbsup:
...he said confidently, as the postman handed him a parcel containing his lovely new Mk3 TGS in BR green & grey.
:wave:
JB
Quote from: StufromEGDL on February 20, 2015, 06:07:23 PM
Saw a couple of the new issue IC DVTs at Glasgow Show today.
I can confirm that they ARE the same lighter shade as before.
Whether you buy or not is personal choice.
Yup, someone has posted a shot on the "other site" of a new DVT with a Mk3 and the colours do not seem to match.
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2015/post-3751-0-10294100-1424518036_thumb.jpg)
I've edited my previous post re: retailers' photos as I had a bunch of tabs open and was looking at the photos of the old model on the Hatton's website. The Swallow logo on the new model is indeed the correct way around on both sides, and in the correct locations (neither of which it was on the old one), which makes it all the more of a shame that the colours are still wrong...
JB
It was hardly likely that Dapol were going to re-tool the DVT to add in the grilles, roof vents or measuring equipment.
I'm debating whether it is worth drawing up a simple etch for the grilles, and the best method to produce the measuring equipment (I've got plenty of photos to work from).
Cheers, Mike
Got the detailing parts through the post!
Prepainted hoses!!!!
I have both of the first run of DVT's. These being 82116 and 82132. Got my new rake of Mk3's the other day and yes, I spotted the difference in colour straight away once on track :doh: I am very tempted to mask the DVT's up and spray them the correct shade. But, saying that, the Mk3's look a little too black to me? I think that may be just me though...
These being
5 x 2P-005-232 TSO
1 x 2P-005-211 Buffet
1 x 2P-005-221 TFO
1 x 2P-005-222 TFO
Yes, I know I have 5 of the same TSO (You can't spot the numbers that easy) :P But, at £15.95 for the TSO's, this was not to be frowned upon.
Another issue I spotted, was with the Buffet 2P-005-211. The first class yellow band is the full length of the coach, this should only be a half yellow band over the seating area. Easy job to rectify though also with the airbrush (Bloody hell, its a good job I'm pretty good with an airbrush and masking!) oh, and also add the 2 missing number 1's next the doors on the Buffet.
Oh dear Dapol :no:
Cheers, Anthony
Yep you got those TSOs for a good price, I'd have done the same!
The black band on the coaches is a little too dark, but at least it's consistent between coaches. I'd rather have a range of products that are consistent in colour than the current greyscale rainbow of disappointment...
JB
Think I must be colour-blind ... anyway, it's way too late for my layout :P
But ... with reference to Karhedron's piccie on the previous page - what's the problem ??? It looks OK to me :confused1:
Yes, I can agree with you there JB...All these things are not major issues but, what annoys me aswell as a lot of other modellers is the price we are now having to pay, and for what? Wrongly produced items. I'm far from a box modeller, and I do enjoy re spraying, detailing etc but, it is nice from time to time especially with coaches and wagons, to just take them from the box and play.
I think Dapol need to have a word with Stevie Wonder when deciding on the final colour scheme :hmmm: never mind countless other faults with other releases. But, that's another story for another thread...
Cheers, Anthony
Hi gang for my 50 pence worth. It was a very long time ago but from the first batch of Mk3s the ground swell oppinon was the grey was too washed out on the INTERCITY version and second batch was a true colour Falcon grey. Now it seems oppinion is that it is too dark. The subtle variation between exec grey and Falcon is a pain in paint shades and fun matching in tampo print ink and yes I am sure relating our almost OCD preoccupation to the chinese must raise a smile or eyebrow abroad....!
I recall an Oxely MK2 with so much patch painting it was an excellent patch quilt in appearance. Washed out grey, gloss and matt falcon and rust! The falcon was not colour fast. It might be an ideal for all coaches to be an exact match but really this did not last long, only time I saw it was on the publicity train for the exec livery on the Copy pit line.
Having now seen the INTERCITY livery in the flesh at the Glasgow show it looks far better than in the brown cast pic seen on the dapol facebook pages and as noted livery elements are right and with 82101 having unique orange strip location correctly done is a nice touch. Was was intresting was that the yellow DVT sold out in the first hour in Glasgow so lack of bits not spotted or folk off with plasticard to make good. It would be good for an etch or perhaps 3D print in FUD for lighting and gear. I thought the printed grill worked well, will need to find a good roof pic for that mod.
Hopefully Dapol will run a second batch with differing number!
robert
Quote from: robert shrives on February 25, 2015, 10:44:07 AM
...It was a very long time ago but from the first batch of Mk3s the ground swell oppinon was the grey was too washed out on the INTERCITY version and second batch was a true colour Falcon grey. Now it seems oppinion is that it is too dark. The subtle variation between exec grey and Falcon is a pain in paint shades and fun matching in tampo print ink and yes I am sure relating our almost OCD preoccupation to the chinese must raise a smile or eyebrow abroad....!
I can't agree with you Robert, to be several years down the line and have a DVT released with the original livery error is unbelievable. Are we seriously to believe that nobody at Dapol was aware of this and had a chance to correct it. Do they not read any of the forums, do they not listen to any Customer feedback?
To be honest, I couldn't care that the paint shade was slightly off on the original livery design, and I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people who would eventually purchase the Mk3s wouldn't care. The issues arise when the manufacturer keeps changing the goal posts by changing the livery designs between production runs, leaving people like myself with a badly mismatch set of coaches.
If Dapol want to send me production samples in the future, I'll QA them against their existing models and let them know if the liveries match or not.
Quote from: Vonzack on February 25, 2015, 11:55:16 AM
The issues arise when the manufacturer keeps changing the goal posts by changing the livery designs between production runs, leaving people like myself with a badly mismatch set of coaches.
I wonder whether this is due to changes at the factory(ies) Dapol use. The latest run of GWR coaches are much lighter than the original ones and the discrepancy is worse (if possible) than that between the DVT and current Mk3 coaches.
Still no excuse Karhedron, presumably somebody at Dapol chooses these colours and makes a note of the ones used last. Sorry to hear about the GWR coaches.
I was browsing youtube recently and found film of the west coast with buffet cars with a complete yellow stripe as well as red/yellow, so it looks like either could be correct.
I also found a couple of buffets with second class stripe over the kitchen area and first class stripe over the seated area, giving 3 variations so far!
Cheers
Mark
100's of thousands of companies across the globe seem to be able to send a pantone colour ref number to another company and then get the precise pantone colour printed.....so why do Dapol have such problems in this area?
Some people seem to be saying that this is hard to do..... it really is not and if the end company fail to produce the referenced colour then the product would be sent back....so either Dapol have made a mistake or the Chinese factory have made a mistake...either way it should be a product recall instead of foisting yet another substandard product that will further undermine Dapol's, already fragile, reputation.
Quote from: 37058 on February 24, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
Another issue I spotted, was with the Buffet 2P-005-211. The first class yellow band is the full length of the coach, this should only be a half yellow band over the seating area. Easy job to rectify though also with the airbrush (Bloody hell, its a good job I'm pretty good with an airbrush and masking!) oh, and also add the 2 missing number 1's next the doors on the Buffet.
Oh dear Dapol :no:
Cheers, Anthony
Hold fire with that Airbrush!!! As always there is a prototype for everything (*exception to the rule is a Swallow livered Mk3 DVT in a different shade of grey to the Swallow Mk3 coaches in the rake :doh:)
Here's an HST with a full yellow stripe 'buffet'...
https://flic.kr/p/62h1e9 (https://flic.kr/p/62h1e9) http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm)
If you still want to get the airbrush out you've got many a variation posible...
* Yellow/Grey https://flic.kr/p/9YPzSZ (https://flic.kr/p/9YPzSZ) http://www.hondawanderer.com/43146_Twerton_1994.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43146_Twerton_1994.htm)
* Yellow/Red http://www.hondawanderer.com/43066_Beeston_1990.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43066_Beeston_1990.htm)
* Grey/Red https://flic.kr/p/ivST4P (https://flic.kr/p/ivST4P) http://www.hondawanderer.com/43106_Worting_Junction_1991.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43106_Worting_Junction_1991.htm)
* All Grey! https://flic.kr/p/9zjX9x (https://flic.kr/p/9zjX9x) http://www.hondawanderer.com/43084_Cholsey_1994.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43084_Cholsey_1994.htm) (looks like XC sets had the all grey band)
Oh for those kaleidoscopic days...
Paul
Quote from: bigP on February 25, 2015, 01:55:36 PM
Here's an HST witha full yellow stripe buffet...
http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm)
Look at the poor tracklaying on that siding on the left. Hasn't he ever heards of a tracksetta? :laughabovepost:
Quote from: Karhedron on February 25, 2015, 01:58:10 PM
Quote from: bigP on February 25, 2015, 01:55:36 PM
Here's an HST witha full yellow stripe buffet...
http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm (http://www.hondawanderer.com/43034_Highworth_Junction_1994.htm)
Look at the poor tracklaying on that siding on the left. Hasn't he ever heards of a tracksetta? :laughabovepost:
Yeah they're all gone now - home to a nice shiny NR electrification site.
Whilst I appreciate Dapol's entrance into N gauge and a lot of good things that they have doen, I too don't pre-order because their QA has and sadly still appears to be very poor. So I too won't be ordering the IC one and if all the Network Rail ones are missing the parts pack, that neither, but I will email Joel and tell him why.
I have found emails to Joel do get answered, not always immediately, and if he get lots of polite emails, I am sure he will listen. I had hoped that with the new team, there would be more attention to detail on the Mk3's but sadly maybe not. Let's hope the TGS has had a lot off attention to detail because I need them all.
Regards
Arthur
Many thanks for the clarification. My heart sank when I thought both DVT's had problems. Hope someone does the etch. It might be worth suggesting to Dapol rather than a retool for things like this, they could be in the bag of bits as an etch. They have put etched nameplates in quite a few products. Or is the etch required something complex?
Digging up an old thread here, but with the latest batch of DVTs having been produced I'm wondering if anyone at Dapol's thought of having a punt at a third run of the Intercity version, produced in the correct colours this time. The previous brown versions seem to have sold out everywhere, so presumably a lot of people either didn't care about the colour or were happy to get their airbrushes out to correct a item fresh out of the box. Either that they've all been returned by suppliers...
JB
They sell for loads of money, so I'd suggest people don't really care that most of them are wrong! Seemingly Dapol didn't fancy doing another run of them though.
I know there's another NR one imminent - I can't believe they're doing an entire production run in one livery.
They're doing a few aren't they? ATW springs to mind. Sure there's a handful.
There are four more on the way, but not IC.
http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/49/index.html#zoom=z (http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/49/index.html#zoom=z)
In the current catalogue are:
2D-017-003 Mk3 DVT BR Blue 82115
2D-017-004 Mk3 DVT Network Rail 82124
2D-017-100 DB Management Train 4 piece rolling stock set
2D-017-101 Chiltern Railways 8pc Slam door set with DVT
Dapol have never got Intercity livery correct on their DVT or any of Class 73 and class 86. The Mk3s are generally OK though which is weird.
Steven B.