Dapol announcement looking for expressions of interest in Gresley D113/245

[Bob G]

I'm more a fan of 1976 music, I must say. Definitely a pre punk prog rocker

[Roy L S]

Definitely a good year for music from my perspective, bands like Blondie, Queen, The Eagles etc etc etc....plus the beginnings of Punk. Friars in Aylesbury the town close to my childhood home hosted many of the "big" bands during the period, many reminisce - sadly I was just too young to go at that point.

[GlenEglise]

 

sadly this thread has gone "OFF TOPIC"

[Roy L S]

sadly this thread has gone "OFF TOPIC"

It has to an extent true, but the relevance is what was happening in the era the last examples were in mainline traffic which was quite late. Who would have thought that the last Gresley buffets would still be in traffic during the formative years of Punk Rock!

I suppose many a conversation goes "off-piste" at times, and let's face it, if we were collectively having this one as a group face to face in the pub, it would likely deviate from the core topic many times - curly BR sandwich anyone?

Roy

[Bob G]

sadly this thread has gone "OFF TOPIC"

It has to an extent true, but the relevance is what was happening in the era the last examples were in mainline traffic which was quite late. Who would have thought that the last Gresley buffets would still be in traffic during the formative years of Punk Rock!

Thank you for saying that so eloquently.
As the Stranglers said in 1977

"I can think of a lot worse places to be [than this forum]
Like down in the streets or down in the sewer
Or even on the end of a skewer"

Bob 

[Bazza]

Quite a significant difference in the roof vent layout

Although presumably not beyond a little modelling effort to correct. And, no doubt, someone can produce appropriate correct 3D printed vents to glue in place.

[Bob G]

Quite a significant difference in the roof vent layout

Although presumably not beyond a little modelling effort to correct. And, no doubt, someone can produce appropriate correct 3D printed vents to glue in place.

As I said in post #33 above, a bit of plasticard works wonders, but you are correct, that's not a perfect solution. I appended the mods that could be done on that post also, to do a proper job.

Oh and did I say that the roofs were probably subtly different on each conversion 

It's a minefield. But it can be done to whatever degree you want to. You just need a friend willing to design a replacement roof.

Bob

[Cols]

If I remember correctly, the Dapol Gresley 61'6" stock has an error in the bogie centre to centre measurement (too short). (Minitrix apparently got this right.)
Will these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 
Just wondering... or is an error being perpetuated..?

[Roy L S]

If I remember correctly, the Dapol Gresley 61'6" stock has an error in the bogie centre to centre measurement (too short). (Minitrix apparently got this right.)
Will these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 
Just wondering... or is an error being perpetuated..?

I believe (others can step in here) the first batch was the worst with the bogies about 2mm inward of the correct positions. Later batches corrected the error to a degree but still about 1mm off. As far as I am aware Dapol will be using existing tooling for the underframes of these models.

Speaking for myself, having many Dapol Gresleys (and indeed some maroon Minitrix ones) it is a compromise I am happy to live with on these newly announced models and isn't all that visible except on the very first batch which do look a tad "tippy-toe".

I am wondering when we will get a further update...

Roy

[Bingley Hall]

If I remember correctly, the Dapol Gresley 61'6" stock has an error in the bogie centre to centre measurement (too short). (Minitrix apparently got this right.)
Will these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 
Just wondering... or is an error being perpetuated..?

It's not an error though is it? It's a manufacturing compromise - every model has them.
It even happens in larger scales, but people just seem to pick their pet peeves and ignore others.

[Bob G]

Will these new Buffet Cars and BGs have the correct 43' centre to centre measurement? 

It's not an error though is it? It's a manufacturing compromise - every model has them.
It even happens in larger scales, but people just seem to pick their pet peeves and ignore others.

The "compromise" in the original maroon batch was simply awful in appearance. It was done to achieve the installation of a close coupling mechanism.

From batch 2 onwards the "compromise" was reduced by having a large notched recess in the bogies to allow the bogie centres to move out to (almost) where they ought to have been placed.

It's no different from the bogies themselves. Every manufacturer's rendition of Gresley bogies looks different too. Same as different eras of design of BR's B1 bogies and B4 bogies. And what about all the gubbins that is underneath a coach. Every manufacturer "compromises" on what they model underneath versus cost of production.

Personally I'm more worried about whether the model captures the "look" of the prototype or not. So Yes I did notice the inset bogies of the original batch 1 issue, but I'm OK with batch 2 onwards.

Now here's the rub. Today's question, if you like.

If I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

Bob G

[Steven B]

If I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

I'd say the roof that's shown on the current CAD is a copy and paste from the original release of the Gresley buffet car that doesn't have the changes made to the ventilator pattern as seen on the later diagram/build that survived into blue/grey livery.

I don't believe that Dapol have said if they're also re-tooling the roof.

It's all compromises - the HST and loco hauled HSTs share a roof in Dapol's world when in 1:1 scale they were different and the Mk3 buffet is neither an HST or loco hauled vehicle.

Dapol should have done better with the bogie positioning on the initial batch of Gresleys - they proved on the later runs that they were capable. As they've got the Collett's and Maunsell's right they've clearly improved.

I do wonder if we'll see any more coach types from Dapol - Mk2b/c/d/pullmansm Mk4 and plenty of non-corridor big four types to have a go at.

[Bob G]

If I said I think you'll find that the separately molded wire roof drains (or whatever they are) at one end of the roof are on the wrong end of the buffet car, firstly, is that true or false? And if it is true, how much does that bother you?

I don't believe that Dapol have said if they're also re-tooling the roof.

They have said they are not retooling the roof. I think that the roof drain pipes (whatever they are) are on the wrong end, based on photos. But who am I but a southern modeller!

[Newportnobby]

Jeez, All I can say is 'ignorance is bliss'
Face? Bovvered? 

[Bob G]

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