Now my layout is up and running it is time to start acquiring some rolling stock to populate it.
I have chosen a fictional area in south East England in the early 90's as my setting.
I have done a fair bit of online reading and it seems there were a fair few liveries about at that time due to transitions etc.
Just want to make sure I am on the right track with my thinking. I fancy:
NSE CLASS 101 DMU for a local Passanger service
NSE class 47 capital connect set for mainline Passanger
Class 60 rail frieight for a freight train
Rail grey grey 08 for yard duties
See attached pics for my choices
As for freight would it mainly be container wagons at this point or would you still see open and closed wagons etc?
Also trying to get DCC ready stuff if possible so if you can think of anything out there that fits my era post it up :D
Any input appreciated before I go crazy on eBay etc ;D
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Gavin. I have a rake of freightliners, TEA Tanks i use in a block rake. i have haa coal wagons. For speedlink i have a hba, flat, vea's vba van, tube. Oil tank, and a polybulk. I have an unfitted with brake van and various vans open trucks
Your modelling period is an interesting one for wagonload freight. The Speedlink network ended in 1991 and its replacements (Charterail and the later Enterprise network) weren't any more successful.
Fortunately, as you're modelling the South East train ferry traffic to and from Dover was still actively carrying wagon load traffic (but obviously in Ferry rated vans, opens, tanks and hoppers). Farish's Polybulk, Dapol's Ferry van, silver bullets & Steel hoods, Revolution's ferry-twins are all suitable for ferry trains (train ferry services ended in 1995 with the opening of the Channel Tunnel).
Block trains would be the most common. Steel to and from Sheerness, nuclear traffic to Dungeness, aggregates, fuel oil and containers would all be seen regularly. Engineers trains can find a home on any layout.
Steven B.
A Class 33 in Dutch livery would fit in perfect for the period, quite at home on engineering/ballast/freight duty but occasionally seen on passenger workings too. Dapol's 33 is an excellent runner and fine for DCC.
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Thanks for all the replies so far.
Now the owner of a NSE DCC ready class 101 :D an as new one popped up on a for sale page for £70 so snapped it up. Almost paid double that for one last week :o
Also what rail freight sector is this class 60? This is the one I was looking at that gf make.
Here is a shot of it sneakily pulling some NSE stock :D
That 60 is a Petroleum.
Quote from: Upperton on October 30, 2019, 08:48:11 PM
That 60 is a Petroleum.
Thanks. The sector logos were the one bit I was still unsure of following my research.
So if I go with that one I will need some tankers :D
Sector liveries:
coal: Black diamonds
Petroleum: Blue waves
Metals: Blue angles
Construction: Blue blocks
Distribution: Red diamonds
General: Red rectangles
All above have a yellow background
I had 60047 in Railfreight coal livery on an NSE train out of paddington. So you could use Farish's 60057 in coal sector or 60054 in petroleum sector as your loco. Just note the Farish 60054 has silver windscreens, two minutes with a black marker pen sorted that out though..
Hope that helps
Cheers
Mark
@scruff (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=81) that is a good simple explanation thanks!
Good to know they did sneak off to do other duties from time to time.
Didn't realise how much changed in the 90s until I started looking into it. Was originally thinking I could get away with 1992 to 98 but quite a lot changed in this period it seems.
If modelling the 90s rail scene. The parcels sector saw res livery red painted vans with blue and blue grey vehicles. Just a thought
Yes, privatisation in the 90s certainly changed the landscape rather significantly.
That said a lot of stuff running in 1992 was still around in 1998, it wasn't overnight change. Sector locos would be fine at either period.
Got quite into this research thing now ;D
Found this cracking website, categorises all the images by the decade too so perfect for me :D
http://www.dieselimagegallery.com (http://www.dieselimagegallery.com)
Might try and get a second generation livery rail freight distribution model. As this will allow some flexibility and it seems many survived painted in these colours until the late 90s
A railfreight sector 47 would look just the part gavin
The later Channel Tunnel style livery with the blue roof was a great livery, some of the locos lasted well into the 2000s. I think the only diesels it was applied to were 47s. I don't believe Farish have offered one though.
You could have a 92 as well potentially. They ran on 3rd rail.
There was originally from the roof down, Executive dark grey, Railfreight flint grey and Railfreight grey on sectorisation, which was later superseded by RFD International blue and RFD International slate grey and Railfreight grey for when the Chunnel opened. The mid colour became a deeper section on the later version. I have a photo of 47200 painted as such
class 86s carried this livery
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/132868-railfreight-distribution-colours/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/132868-railfreight-distribution-colours/)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37190-dalzell/14317505587 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/37190-dalzell/14317505587)
im sure an 08 was painted but the decals did not last long !!!! the 47s in rfd livery
were :
47033 The Royal Logistic Corps
47049 Gefco
47053 Dollands Moor International
47146 Loughborough Grammar School
47200 Herbert Austin
47245 Institute of Export
47286 Port of Liverpool
47306 The Sapper
47310 Henry Ford
47323 The Rover Group Quality Assured
47326 Saltley Depot Quality Approved
47348 St Christopher's Railway Home
47365 Diamond Jubilee
47375 Tinsley Traction Depot Quality Approved
47555 The Commonwealth Spirit
There was at least one 90 in the later livery too, and 92s, although they had much smaller bodyside logos and lettering.
I have read a few good articals on the rail frieight livery now. Including one written by the designer of the later deeper livery.
I belive the sapper 47 exists in a later livery made by farish. Unfortunately not DCC but should be able to be converted.
Ah ha found one on eBay. Older model, will have to research if they do any with newer tooling and dcc
Got some good info today. Went to gravesend for a model show and had a chat with the guys that run network southeast society which was insightful.
Also picked up some magazines from 1992 - 1996 and the era I am planning on modeling. Looks of great pictures and info on rolling stock etc. 30p for the magazines :D ;D
You gained bargains with those gavin. Certainly an interesting period in terms of liveries. There are a few who know passenger. Freight, mail, liveries in the forum.