ITV's Endeavour series has entered the realm of railways tonight.
Especially like the astonishly accurate :no: portrayal of a dyed in the wool trainspotter! ;) ("No, railway enthusiast")
The question must be asked: who here at the Forum most closely resembles the character they have created? :D
Watching it now. Ropley and what I think is Quainton Rd station featured so far.
Wouldn't like to comment on who the trainspotter reminds me of... Must get my mirror cleaned!!
;) :beers:
Note too the many links to the old Crossroads series from the 1060's:
The 'Crossroads Motel' was at the fictional Midlands town of 'Kings Oak', featured in Endeavour. In one scene at the Motel the cleaner is referred to as 'Mrs T' - the character in the original Crossroads was (Mrs) Amy Turtle.
They even show the original Crossroads Motel signboard the first time the place features:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/crossroads-soap-opera-encyclopedia/images/a/ab/Crossies_motel.gif/revision/latest?cb=20121015105823
Wasn't that set in Hastings at that time :D.
Sorry, I'll get my chain mail, I'm off to A&E.
Quote from: weave on February 18, 2018, 09:30:44 PM
Wasn't that set in Hastings at that time :D.
Sorry, I'll get my chain mail, I'm off to A&E.
Oops! :-[
Not too bad though. Only 900 years out. :D
Couldn't figure out what the date should be. Should be 1968 from the last clue they gave. But:
They had Blue 33s in real life.Now blue 33s were 1968 at the earliest.
There was a blue Western on the trainspotter's layout. Don't think there was a 52 model then - certainly not a Dapol one :)
There was also a 9F and a rebuilt MN or BB/WC (couldn't tell - sorry) in the station too.
BBs/WCs/MNs were the last steamers on the southern in 1968, and 9Fs were late too, but the GWR lost steam in about 1965 (IIRC).
And Cream was on the play list in the boutique - 1967. Sunshine of your love.
Senator Kennedy died -announced at the end - so June 1968.
Oh and at least one of the locomotive numbers collected by the enthusiast on the roof beams was very likely a late build 9F number 93013. Surely not!!!
Disappointing series for consistency so far - they even had a two tone grey phone last episode - and they didn't come in until the mid 1970s.
Still, at least the Fords were in period.
Bob
Up & down the land families have been debating,,,, swmbo as well !
6 June 1968 Bobby Kennedy died, having been shot on 5 June, I would have to listen again to the exact wording of the broadcast, swmbo (GWR) and I (too far north in Cumberland to know what they got up to in Oxford :) ) were debating closures and almost missed the 'radio over' in the closing scene. So it could even have been headlines from 7th ?
Oh, and if anyone is interested we were married in 1969,,, but it feels like 1069
nice typo @daffy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5634) :)
LOL
Thursday picked up a model and said something like " I wonder how much that is worth?" and I think no one at that time would have asked such a thing ? If they had there would come the answer "not a lot" !
Would have given us a lot more insight into his wisdom and prophetic abilities if he had been written to say, "I wonder how much that will be worth " ;)
In the first episode of this series they showed one of the students writing with a Parker Vector not bad for a series based in the early sixties given the the Vector came out in the early eighties,
Will they be doing a time traveller episode soon ;)
I used to use a Parker cartridge fountain pen in the early sixties :worried:
Quote from: Lindi on February 18, 2018, 11:13:13 PM
Quote from: Bob G on February 18, 2018, 10:18:39 PM
They had Blue 33s in real life.Now blue 33s were 1968 at the earliest.
But the TOPS numbers weren't introduced until 1973
The 33 had a headlight - they couldn't help that - but it could have been a pre TOPS blue 33....
Bob
Quote from: Bealman on February 19, 2018, 06:24:06 AM
I used to use a Parker cartridge fountain pen in the early sixties :worried:
Yus M'lady !
What gave the trainspotter away as being not quite right was that he had no cornbeef and brown sauce sandwich and not bottle of Tizer. Obviously guilty from the start....
:) :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on February 19, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
What gave the trainspotter away as being not quite right was that he had no cornbeef and brown sauce sandwich and not bottle of Tizer. Obviously guilty from the start....
:) :beers:
I had crispy bacon sandwiches on very white very processed bread. Lovely. Can taste them right now.
Bacon you say? Bacon?
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Quote from: Zogbert Splod on February 19, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
Bacon you say? Bacon?
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Brill. !
Is ITV repeating this? does it do a 'watch again' on t'internet anywhere ?
Quote from: Lindi on February 20, 2018, 12:50:40 AM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 20, 2018, 12:29:02 AM
Is ITV repeating this? does it do a 'watch again' on t'internet anywhere ?
https://www.itv.com/hub/endeavour/2a1229 (https://www.itv.com/hub/endeavour/2a1229)
Thanks, good find !
But it wants my email and to setup a password !
Do I really really want to do all that, just to review the closing scene 'radio over' (aka atmosphere voiceover scene exit) to date it !
BBC iplayer has gone 'all precious' in that respect as well recently :(
but I appreciate your effort :) :thumbsup:
praps I'll wait for an on-air repeat !
I was a bit worried he was going to get some stuck in his throat.... that's what usually happens with me :worried:
Arnt the wee bairns wonderful, you could see the very act of learning, soaking up the responses and trying out all the 'imitations' to see which gained approval.
Would I be giving too much away by admitting to train spotting in my yoof, and now, in my second? childhood making my own bacon sometimes, and bread as well (but not yet from our own wheat :) ) ! ;D
Quote from: daffy on February 18, 2018, 08:54:23 PM
The question must be asked: who here at the Forum most closely resembles the character they have created? :D
Hopefully no-one, he was one of the killers!
Quote from: MalcolmAL on February 18, 2018, 10:53:23 PM
6 June 1968 Bobby Kennedy died, having been shot on 5 June, I would have to listen again to the exact wording of the broadcast, swmbo (GWR) and I (too far north in Cumberland to know what they got up to in Oxford :) ) were debating closures and almost missed the 'radio over' in the closing scene. So it could even have been headlines from 7th ?
It says he has died after being shot yesterday so it was the 6th.
Didn't know about this series and just watched the Oxford train one and noticed a few errors including a head shot of a steam engine with both express running lamps and a centre headlight, engine looked a bit continental to me?
Spoiler alert. In case you haven't seen it don't read this paragraph ;) Near the end when the "enthusiast" goes onto the tracks I'm sure the loco that ran him down had a bell clanging as it approached, didn't know UK diesels had bells. :no:
Quote from: Lindi on February 20, 2018, 10:19:28 PM
Quote from: Caz on February 20, 2018, 09:21:24 PM
Spoiler alert. In case you haven't seen it don't read this paragraph ;) Near the end when the "enthusiast" goes onto the tracks I'm sure the loco that ran him down had a bell clanging as it approached, didn't know UK diesels had bells. :no:
I heard that too. The engine noise also sounded more like an American locomotive.
It was a class 33 and they had a bell on in Weymouth
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/33109_Weymouth_Harbour_Tramway_August_1981.jpg)
I think it was supposed to be the level crossing warning bell? However, the crossing was a farm crossing with manual barriers that looked like they were put there in response to the Nanny State.
Bob
I haven't seen this episode but sounds like something worth finding on ITV + 365 like we normally watch tele these days 😃
Bob G having not seen it I can't comment however WE do have 2 of our own farm crossings over the Leicester - Peterborough / Gatwick Airport line, we don't have gates other then our own field gates and 2 phones which link us direct to the still manned signal box 3 miles up the line. Even through Network Rails attempts to make crossings safer we will not move away from the system we use for the foreseeable future.
Just thought a worthy note that might interest someone :hmmm:
Interests me, for sure! There are many unfenced and unsignalled crossings here, but on the Nullabor Plain you can see for miles in either direction, and the trains aren't exactly frequent :D
I really do think when railways are featured in any TV fictional programme we just have to suspend any sense of reality. I'm quite sure they don't hire an 'expert' to tell them what ran in what area in what era, and, given the limited availability of items of preserved stock, there's probably a very small pool of what they can get their mitts on.
I dare say the world of TV and film is littered with 'errors' like TV aerials appearing in Poldark etc. I recall getting a right rollicking when I was in the 'Sealed Knot' re-enactment society because I turned up in my uniform wearing a wristwatch I'd forgotten to take off :doh:
Classic first Tom Cruise Mission Impossible movie not having catenary into the Channel tunnel.....
Living as I do in Oxford, I have to put up with glaring inaccuracies in every episode of Endeavour. MBH get's sick of me variously pointing out that:
- There's no phone box there, never has been!
- They can't drive down street 'A', turn left and, cut to them pulling out into street 'B' - those streets are 5 miles apart!
- We've seen him enter building 'A', climb the stairs and go up on the roof with a vista of the whole city - but that vista can't be viewed from the roof of building 'A' especially since building 'A' is only two storeys!
So this episode was doubly amusing/confusing. :tv: Morse was much more accurate with the geography of Oxford.
The suspension of disbelief is a great asset when watching programmes or films that are, after all, fictional.
BTW Mick, I too was a member of the Sealed Knot for many years back in the 1970's. My pikemans helmet was plastic, my pike was 6 feet shorter than the real thing, my underpants were polycotton, and the blood that spewed from my mouth as I lay injured was entirely fake. And when I joined the cannon crew we decided not to fire real cannon balls. But my enjoyment was very real.
@daffy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5634) I was a cavalier pikeman in the 'Earl of Northampton's 1st regiment of Foote' and was involved in two Battles of Naseby (which I did find disconcerting owing to the resulting number of broken limbs ) and putting a guard on Warwick Castle on an open day. This was much more to my taste due to the number of American ladies who wanted a pic of them hugging a 'real cavalier. Only much later in life did I think it probably explains my cavalier attitude :D
I was eventually thrown out of the Sealed Knot having been seen riding my motorbike through the streets of Northampton in full uniform :laugh:
Not particularly off topic as it's still loosely to do with historical accuracy :angel:
Quote from: newportnobby on February 21, 2018, 04:16:29 PM
@daffy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5634) I was a cavalier pikeman in the 'Earl of Northampton's 1st regiment of Foote' and was involved in two Battles of Naseby (which I did find disconcerting owing to the resulting number of broken limbs ) and putting a guard on Warwick Castle on an open day. This was much more to my taste due to the number of American ladies who wanted a pic of them hugging a 'real cavalier. Only much later in life did I think it probably explains my cavalier attitude :D
I was eventually thrown out of the Sealed Knot having been seen riding my motorbike through the streets of Northampton in full uniform :laugh:
Not particularly off topic as it's still loosely to do with historical accuracy :angel:
You were certainly not Endeavouring to be Accurate :)
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)
This is silly! I was a Cavalier in the Earl of Northamptons too! :o
Happy days. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bealman on February 21, 2018, 07:04:20 AM
Interests me, for sure! There are many unfenced and unsignalled crossings here, but on the Nullabor Plain you can see for miles in either direction, and the trains aren't exactly frequent :D
We are a bit busier then that Bealman, we have 2 up and 2 down through Cross Country 2 or 3 car to Gatwick Airport and 1 up and 1 down Freightliner container stock every hour. Plus various stone trains from DBS and occasionally a few weird workings into Melton Mowbray itself. I'm sure there's lots of different goings on that I don't see but if I'm moving sheep I have to do it in cattle trailers because they only let me have my crossings open for 3 minutes at a time
Quote from: daffy on February 21, 2018, 05:07:22 PM
This is silly! I was a Cavalier in the Earl of Northamptons too!
@daffy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5634) Altogether spooky, sir :uneasy:
Still, I suppose we ought to get back to 'Endeavouring' to decipher 'Morse' ;D
Quote from: newportnobby on February 21, 2018, 08:57:38 PM
Quote from: daffy on February 21, 2018, 05:07:22 PM
This is silly! I was a Cavalier in the Earl of Northamptons too!
@daffy (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5634) Altogether spooky, sir :uneasy:
Still, I suppose we ought to get back to 'Endeavouring' to decipher 'Morse' ;D
Okay. So, the reggae music played at the market was by the Wailers from the early 1970's, and the Rolling Stones track playing at Joan's flat-warming was, I think, from their Sticky Fingers album, released in 1971.
And near the end, was that really, as the 'typical' trainspotter said as it approached, a 'night mail' train? Didn't look like one to me.
You see, I notice these things, but I'm very Lauren Cooper about such things.