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Title: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 12, 2013, 08:43:24 PM
At TINGS I asked Joel on the Dapol stand if they had any details of the announced  Maunsell coaches, I received a reply today including some CAD/CAM images, from these I can say they are the early "Low window" stock and will consist of corridor 1st, 3rd and Compo, a 6 compartment brake which was not included in the drawings so don't know if it's the 3rd or the Compo, along with these is a Passenger brake - Van C, this looks very similar to their 4 wheel CCT/GUV i.e. a planked van. ETA late next year or early 2015.

I also enquired about the possibilities of a King Arthur to pull them, he'd "love to do an Arthur, but the tooling budget won't run to it"
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
Sounds like it's the same CAD/CAMs as the ones that appeared in the Dapol catalogue earlier in the year. I must admit that the release date of late 2014/early 2015 is a big disappointment...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
Sounds like it's the same CAD/CAMs as the ones that appeared in the Dapol catalogue earlier in the year. I must admit that the release date of late 2014/early 2015 is a big disappointment...

Similarly disappointed, but then one gets used to being back or the production queues when modelling SR steam, now if it was a new diesel, new toothpaste tube livery or GWR stock then it'd be scheduled for next week

(I do recall Dapol George announcing Maunsell stock at an NGS AGM when Dapol first entered N gauge summat like 10 years ago)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 12:12:30 PM
Funnily enough Mike, I found myself looking yet again at Etched Pixels' Maunsell kits only last night and thinking to myself that Alan is going to be getting an order off me pretty soon if Dapol don't get their finger out! I think that day has now come....  Keeps me busy as the gardening tails off and the nights draw in....

Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Duly done! Alan, if you're watching you've got an order courtesy of Dapol's dawdling....

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: steam-driven boy on September 13, 2013, 12:31:01 PM
Hi,
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 12:03:15 PM
Quote from: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 11:26:13 AM
Sounds like it's the same CAD/CAMs as the ones that appeared in the Dapol catalogue earlier in the year. I must admit that the release date of late 2014/early 2015 is a big disappointment...
(I do recall Dapol George announcing Maunsell stock at an NGS AGM when Dapol first entered N gauge summat like 10 years ago)
Yup, but the then slow selling of the Gresley coaches gave them reasonable cause for doubt.
I'm never too concerned about timescales if the final product is worthwhile.
The Farish Bulleid coaches will fill a gap rather nicely in the meantime for me  :thumbsup:

Regards, Gerry  8)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 02:03:38 PM
QuoteThe Farish Bulleid coaches will fill a gap rather nicely in the meantime for me  :thumbsup:

Not an option for me, over 10 years ahead of my period!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 02:17:32 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 02:03:38 PM
QuoteThe Farish Bulleid coaches will fill a gap rather nicely in the meantime for me  :thumbsup:

Not an option for me, over 10 years ahead of my period!

I've often been tempted by the good range of LSWR 2mm coaches on offer from Worsley Works but then put off by the fact that they are not complete kits. If I knew where to get the roofs, underframe fittings and all the other bits nedded I'd definitely give them a go as I definitely need a LSWR push pull set for the Torrington service. Any ideas??
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on September 13, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
Fittings may be a challenge in part and bogies even more so depending upon the type used.

Roof is the easy bit, lots of ways to scratch build simple curved roofs, and if you don't want to do that then given a profile I can quote you for a length of roofing strip to fit. Providing its a simple straight profile (ie no rounded ends, clerestories and funnies like that) its usually pretty cheap to bang them out as polished 3D prints as I've got tools to do it and I've done other roofs for people building Worsley scratch aids.

Complete shells to stick the sides and ends on are also not too hairy for most simple coach shapes but somewhat pricier both in materials and work.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2013, 04:01:22 PM
Hello, does anybody know if this Maunsells are the type used in the 1960s in North Cornwall on the 'Withered Arm' network of ex-LSWR lines?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 04:30:48 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 13, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
Roof is the easy bit, lots of ways to scratch build simple curved roofs, and if you don't want to do that then given a profile I can quote you for a length of roofing strip to fit. Providing its a simple straight profile (ie no rounded ends, clerestories and funnies like that) its usually pretty cheap to bang them out as polished 3D prints as I've got tools to do it and I've done other roofs for people building Worsley scratch aids.
Alan

Thanks Alan, I'll get my books out at the weekend and let you know. I'm pretty confident that the LSWR types that Worsley does are the ones seen on the North Devon line....

Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2013, 04:01:22 PM
Hello, does anybody know if this Maunsells are the type used in the 1960s in North Cornwall on the 'Withered Arm' network of ex-LSWR lines?

I don't know about the North Cornwall bit of the 'Withered Arm' but they were certainly on the North Devon section....
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Thank you Gooner1953, I guess the sets would be used all over the Withered Arm. Specifically, are these Maunsells 1924 Maunsell (EM), or 1925+ Maunsell (M)? (Whilst I tell a Maunsell from a Bulleid from a BR Standard Mk I, the subtle differences escape me!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 06:47:13 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2013, 06:05:06 PM
Thank you Gooner1953, I guess the sets would be used all over the Withered Arm. Specifically, are these Maunsells 1924 Maunsell (EM), or 1925+ Maunsell (M)? (Whilst I tell a Maunsell from a Bulleid from a BR Standard Mk I, the subtle differences escape me!
Hi Chris

I must admit I'm not up to speed with 1924 (EM) or 1925+ (M) - I usually just identify Maunsells as either 'low window' or 'high window'! I have just had a quick look at Mike King's excellent book An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches and can confirm that Maunsell sets were built for the far West in all the main Maunsell batches from 1925 through to 1935.

There are photos in there of examples of the high window version that Etched Pixels does and tha Dapol is going to release in 25 months or so at Bude and Padstow. If you don't have a copy of the book but want more details let me know and I'll get something together for you over the next day or so.

Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Chris, these Maunsells coming from Dapol are the 1925-29 ones with low corridor windows, Maunsells started to be withdrawn  from the mid 1950s, some were still in service up to at least 1964.

Nick, the Dapols will be low window, see my original post.


This book has just about everything you need to know abouit Maunsell coaches - except scale drawings

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=david+gould&n=200000169&tn=maunsell+southern+steam+carriage+stock (http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=david+gould&n=200000169&tn=maunsell+southern+steam+carriage+stock)

Also on Amazon.co.uk at £9.95

If you want scale drawings then you need the Mike King book which includes Bulleid coaches as well but is out of print and fetching about £60 used!

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on September 13, 2013, 06:58:51 PM
Quote from: steam-driven boy on September 13, 2013, 12:31:01 PM

I'm never too concerned about timescales if the final product is worthwhile.
The Farish Bulleid coaches will fill a gap rather nicely in the meantime for me  :thumbsup:

Regards, Gerry  8)

Dont hold your breath there either.
Colin Albright told me at TINGS they were expected in the shops maybe next June...a bit later than i was expecting, given we had finished versions at TINGS.
Best
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 13, 2013, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Chris, these Maunsells coming from Dapol are the 1925-29 ones with low corridor windows, Maunsells started to be withdrawn  from the mid 1950s, some were still in service up to at least 1964.

Nick, the Dapols will be low window, see my original post.


Sorry Chris for misleading you on Dapols intentions and thanks Mike for putting me right - I just assumed they would be the more common high window ! 

Well at least that does mean that it is worthwhile buying Alan's high window kits, I've ordered a 3 set today for a start, now looking at some ex LSWR stock for the Barnstaple/Torrington service. I have a great photo of LSWR Ironclad push pull stock behind an Ivatt 2MT tank at Barnstaple which I want to recreate with Alan's help and some Worsley Works kits.

Don't you just love the Southern and its predecessors....
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 05:54:14 AM
Many thanks, DorsetMike. The Maunsell coaches certainly seemed to have survived well into the 1960s from the photos I've seen shot on the Withered Arm. In addition to SR green Bulleid and BR MkI coaches I wanted to ensure that I was buying  a few correct Maunsells for local services (although I've seen the odd Maunsell coach with Bulleids in ACE formations in the 1960s). It would be nice to know which year the last of the Maunsells were withdrawn from passenger service on the Withered Arm, 1964? So, I need some of Alan's high window Maunsell kits then instead. I also need an Ivatt 2MT tank. Please, post about your construction of the 3-set Gooner1953 as I'd really appreciate a tutorial before I buy some. Do you have a link to Alan's kits, please.

A Bulleid 2 Car restaurant set (rebuilt tavern + trailer) would be great to have for the ACE, too!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 06:01:00 AM
Thanks, Gooner1953, "If you don't have a copy of the book but want more details let me know and I'll get something together for you over the next day or so." I would like to take you up on that very kind offer re: Maunsell coaches used on the Withered Arm in the 1960s.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 14, 2013, 06:04:04 AM
Chris,

If you haven't already got it I can heartily recommend "An Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway: The Southern Railway Route Between Okehampton, Launceston, Wadebridge and Padstow" by David Wroe. I'm basing my layout on the North Devon arm and have have the sister volume. 400+ pages of history plus loads of useful stuff like working timetables, carriage working notices and engine workings for passenger and freight. Well worth having on the shelf.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illustrated-History-North-Cornwall-Railway/dp/1903266890/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1UU804MQOGLRZ&coliid=IIRJ2FZP0ERXQ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illustrated-History-North-Cornwall-Railway/dp/1903266890/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=1UU804MQOGLRZ&coliid=IIRJ2FZP0ERXQ)

Apologies if you've already got it!

Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 06:05:33 AM
Maunsell W6643S at Wadebridge? in 1964, SOURCE: IHNCR p144, is the latest listed by http://www.northcornwallrailway.co.uk/ (http://www.northcornwallrailway.co.uk/) . (IHNCR being "Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway" (1st Ed) - David Wroe. Yes, indeed, I really need to buy a copy of this book, Gooner1953.)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 14, 2013, 06:08:24 AM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 06:05:33 AM
Maunsell W6643S at Wadebridge? in 1964, SOURCE: IHNCR p144, is the latest listed by http://www.northcornwallrailway.co.uk/ (http://www.northcornwallrailway.co.uk/) . (IHNCR being "Illustrated History of the North Cornwall Railway" (1st Ed) - David Wroe. Yes, indeed, I really need to buy a copy of this book, Gooner1953.)

I think it's an essential! I was floundering in the dark in North Devon until I bought the North Devon version!

Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Gooner1953 on September 14, 2013, 06:08:48 AM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 06:01:00 AM
Thanks, Gooner1953, "If you don't have a copy of the book but want more details let me know and I'll get something together for you over the next day or so." I would like to take you up on that very kind offer re: Maunsell coaches used on the Withered Arm in the 1960s.

Crossed posts there Chris! I'll do some research today/tomorrow and get something to you...

Cheers
Nick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 14, 2013, 06:14:39 AM
Many thanks, Nick. I am looking forward to your info.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on September 14, 2013, 11:03:10 AM
I'm really looking forward to these Maunsell's, even if they are a year or two off.

I heard they will be producing a batch in proper original Southern Railway green, as well as the later liveries.

So in the meantime I need to research coach-set formations :) 
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on September 14, 2013, 11:26:48 AM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 13, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
If you want scale drawings then you need the Mike King book which includes Bulleid coaches as well but is out of print and fetching about £60 used!

If you're careful and hunt around then you can pick up a copy for less than that.  ;) I got mine this year for just under £20, and never was £20 better spent!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on December 22, 2013, 11:05:27 PM
Quote from: Southernboy on September 14, 2013, 11:03:10 AM
So in the meantime I need to research coach-set formations :)
If you have not already seen it, you may find this page a good starting point for your research.

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/CoachSets.txt (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/CoachSets.txt)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2013, 07:58:39 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on December 22, 2013, 11:05:27 PM

If you have not already seen it, you may find this page a good starting point for your research.

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/CoachSets.txt (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/CoachSets.txt)

Yes, this is a very useful document.

As is: http://www.user.dccnet.com/d.leech/bulleidguide.pdf (http://www.user.dccnet.com/d.leech/bulleidguide.pdf)

I have an older edition of "Bulleid's S.R. Steam Passenger Stock" by David Gould, published by The Oakwood Press, which also gives set numbers.
A friend has Mike King's "An Illustrated History of Southern Coaches", published by OPC, and I have read that the "Model Railway Constructor" articles which began back in 1950 and the plans from from which were recreated in the late ‘60’s are well worth getting hold of. Does anyone have them?
Finally, I also use the Southern E-mail Group Website, an excellent source for all things Southern.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
There were also a set of magazine articles on the Bulleid stock about 1967 including drawings. They are actually very useful for some work as they include very good underframe drawings which are not so well covered in King.

It's actually often the case - the best drawings for much of the LBSCR stock are from 1960s magazines, ditto SER four and six wheelers etc.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2013, 01:23:47 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 11:25:18 AM
There were also a set of magazine articles on the Bulleid stock about 1967 including drawings. They are actually very useful for some work as they include very good underframe drawings which are not so well covered in King.
Alan

Thanks, Alan. I wish you a Very Merry Christmas. I only wish there was a legal way to get hold of these drawings.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 02:29:57 PM
I mostly use http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/railway/ (http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/railway/) and ebay

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2013, 05:48:01 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 02:29:57 PM
I mostly use http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/railway/ (http://www.magazineexchange.co.uk/railway/) and ebay

Many thanks, Alan. I did not know about Magazine Exchange.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
I use it copiously along with the extremely handy

http://www.brmna.org/xrefs.shtml (http://www.brmna.org/xrefs.shtml)

Still looking for some good SER drawings though (I have SECR ones but not much for earlier - eg the 4/6 wheelers)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 23, 2013, 08:32:37 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on December 23, 2013, 06:05:00 PM
I use it copiously along with the extremely handy

http://www.brmna.org/xrefs.shtml (http://www.brmna.org/xrefs.shtml)


Thanks again, Alan.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 29, 2014, 05:47:24 PM
Resurrecting this old thread to pass on some news...

There has been a lot of frothing over at t'other place about the forthcoming Dapol Maunsell coaches, if you must go see then here's the link: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88448-dapol-maunsell-coaches-in-n/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/88448-dapol-maunsell-coaches-in-n/)

The discussions resulted in my placing a question on the Dapol Facebook page to the effect that if they're producing Restriction 4 coaches how can they market a set with coaches that were Restriction 1?

And I got an answer!  :claphappy:

Apparently 2P-012-251 'Set 450' has been cancelled as they are not producing R1 stock.
They will be producing, at some point, the 4-compartment BTK (so we can run sets with those and the CKs), and the all-important 6-compartment BCK.

This will give them the opportunity, should they choose to take it, of marketing a set with two 4-compt BTKs and a CK...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 05:52:25 PM
Sounds good. Thanks, Talisman. Now, are they the coaches that would be seen in the South-West, too? Specifically, North Cornwall and will they be available in BR SR Green?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 29, 2014, 06:09:14 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 05:52:25 PM
Sounds good. Thanks, Talisman. Now, are they the coaches that would be seen in the South-West, too? Specifically, North Cornwall and will they be available in BR SR Green?

The sets with the 4-compt BTK and CK coaches are described on the SEMG sets spreadsheet as 'Waterloo-West of England' so they and the BCKs would be candidates for any SR line west of Exeter on through services. Some of the sets later appeared on the S&DJR.

The initial release will be in 1930s lined Olive Green, but the catalogue page has a note that they will also be produced [later] in 'SR Green' (presumably Malachite), 'BR Carmine & Cream' aka Crimson/Cream, and BR Green.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 06:21:03 PM
Many thanks, again, for that quick and very positive response. BR SR Green in 2015? (My wallet would appreciate a rest.)

For my 1960s WTT, I need some Maunsell BCKs, BTKs, and CKs; but also TKs.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 29, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
The TKs that Dapol are producing were loose stock for strengthening sets in busy periods, eg summer holidays, so would be seen with the sets and BCKs.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 06:43:52 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on July 29, 2014, 06:33:34 PM
The TKs that Dapol are producing were loose stock for strengthening sets in busy periods, eg summer holidays, so would be seen with the sets and BCKs.

Exactly, that's why I need some.  :thankyousign:

I'll then be able to 'transfer' (sell) more of my BR SR Green MkIs that are 'stand ins'. After patiently waiting, I have been able to pick up one each of the BR SR Green Bulleid coaches (the SO was used in the 'Car Carrier') so some of my former BR SR Green MkIs have already been transferred to other NGF members' layouts! 8-)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 29, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
Quote
The sets with the 4-compt BTK and CK coaches are described on the SEMG sets spreadsheet as 'Waterloo-West of England' so they and the BCKs would be candidates for any SR line west of Exeter on through services. Some of the sets later appeared on the S&DJR.

More correctly most steam hauled lines out of Waterloo which included Bournemouth, Weymouth and prior to electrification, some Portsmouth services. Bournemouth & Weymouth services could be found with a 3 set from the 390-399 series having an added "Ironclad" restaurant car and open third forming the Bournemouth West portion, a 2 set 6 compartment BCK & BTK, for Swanage and a 3 set plus loose coach for Weymouth.

As Talisman states  some of the 39x sets ended up on the S&DJR in the 50s, replacing ex LSWR sets

For those wanting more detail Gould's Maunsell Southern Steam (Oakwood press paperback) stock gives fairly comprehensive data on production dates, set allocations and duties, for additional info including detailed scale drawings the Mike King' s Illustrated history of Southern Coaches can't be beat.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on July 29, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
A bit short sighted of Dapol to produce a 6 compartment BTK as only for were built for Central section business sets, plus 2 BSK for the Newhaven Boat train. Rather limits the possible sets unless alot of "rule 1" formations are used. The WoE sets used 4 compartment BTK's.

High window stock would have been better.

Dodger

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 09:01:53 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 29, 2014, 08:47:27 PM
Quote
The sets with the 4-compt BTK and CK coaches are described on the SEMG sets spreadsheet as 'Waterloo-West of England' so they and the BCKs would be candidates for any SR line west of Exeter on through services. Some of the sets later appeared on the S&DJR.

More correctly most steam hauled lines out of Waterloo which included Bournemouth, Weymouth and prior to electrification, some Portsmouth services. Bournemouth & Weymouth services could be found with a 3 set from the 390-399 series having an added "Ironclad" restaurant car and open third forming the Bournemouth West portion, a 2 set 6 compartment BCK & BTK, for Swanage and a 3 set plus loose coach for Weymouth.

As Talisman states  some of the 39x sets ended up on the S&DJR in the 50s, replacing ex LSWR sets

For those wanting more detail Gould's Maunsell Southern Steam (Oakwood press paperback) stock gives fairly comprehensive data on production dates, set allocations and duties, for additional info including detailed scale drawings the Mike King' s Illustrated history of Southern Coaches can't be beat.

Thanks, Mike. (I know that we've had this conversation some time ago, already.) I do have both Gould books but not King. I just wanted to check that the forthcoming Dapol Maunsells would be suitable for North Cornwall services as Maunsell and Bulleid carriages are a VERY complex subject! (Alas Graham Farish never produced the hoped-for Bulleid BCK.)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 29, 2014, 09:05:31 PM
Quote from: dodger on July 29, 2014, 08:58:43 PM
A bit short sighted of Dapol to produce a 6 compartment BTK as only for were built for Central section business sets, plus 2 BSK for the Newhaven Boat train. Rather limits the possible sets unless a lot of "rule 1" formations are used. The WoE sets used 4 compartment BTK's.

High window stock would have been better.

Dodger

Thanks, Dodger; NOT good news for my North Cornwall services, then. Very short-sighted indeed of Dapol as I would have thought carriages suitable for West of England services would sell rather better than carriages for the Central and South-eastern sections?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 29, 2014, 09:42:31 PM
The people who buy central and eastern section coaches will buy more than two 8)

The rest can be done with etched sides and a hacksaw.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on July 29, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
Talisman's post that Dapol will be producing 4-compartment BTK and also the 6-compartment BCK is very good news as these should be ideal for the north cornwall line. BTK-CK-BTK would give a WoE 3-car set such as a portion of the ACE. BTK-BCK would give you a typical 2-car P-set which were the mainstay of local services. Pop one behind an M7 and you are good to go (an O2 would be better but Kernow do not seem to be showing any inclination to invest in a shrink-ray).
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 29, 2014, 11:05:05 PM
A number of 2 sets were formed of 6 compartment  BTK, & BCK, used on the Atlantic coast express, Swanage portion of Weymouth trains and other services to the South and West, other 6 compartment brakes usually BCKs would also be found in the ACE, or at less busy times the Swanage portion could be a single BCK.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 07:27:21 AM
Thank you, Karhedron and Mike. Now, you can see why I was confused. I know the (general) types of Maunsell carriages that I need for the various local and "ACE" sets and the numbers of these types that I would need but was not sure whether Dapol was going to be producing the SPECIFIC (as regards the number of compartments and window configurations) types of Maunsell carriages that I need to make up 2P, 2R, and 3L sets plus the 'loose' all seconds.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on July 30, 2014, 08:33:40 AM
Hi Chris. With all the chopping and changing, I cans ee why you are confused. We will have to wait until we see the next batch of EPs or decorated samples to know for certain but at the moment it looks like the Dapol Maunsells will be good for the west of england (based on their FB posts).

Fingers crossed.  :angel:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 30, 2014, 08:47:34 AM
Maunsell Low Window Restriction 4 coaching stock. Per Gould and King:

Diagram 2001 eight-compartment Third: numbers 769-778 (built Eastleigh 7/27-8/27), 783-832 (Eastleigh/BRCW/Metropolitan 3/28-7/28), 2349-55 (Ashford/Eastleigh 12/26-6/27). 802 was damaged by fire 7/35, a new body to D.2008 was built 7/36 on its underframe.
D.2101 four-compartment Third Brake: nos. 3214-3233 (Eastleigh 7/26-10/26), 4055-4062 (Metropolitan 8/28-9/28).
D.2102 six-compartment Third Brake: nos. 4048-4051 (Eastleigh 12/26-2/27).
D.2201 eight-compartment Second (identical to D.2001 TK): nos. 4483-4486 (Ashford 6/27).
D.2251 six-compartment Second Brake (identical to D.2102 BTK): nos. 4481/4482 (Ashford 6/27).
D.2301 seven-compartment (1st/3rd) Composite: nos. 5137-5146 (Eastleigh 7/26-10/26), 5147-5150 (Metropolitan 8/28-9/28).
D.2401 six-compartment (1st/3rd) Composite Brake: nos. 6565-6574 (Eastleigh 8/26).
D.2501 seven-compartment First: nos. 7208-7227 (Eastleigh/Midland 6/27-11/27), 7665-7674 (Ashford/Eastleigh 12/26-3/27).

Of the above, the following were formed in sets, created from new unless otherwise noted:
3-sets 'P' 390-399 (10/26, for London to Plymouth/Torrington/Ilfracombe services): D.2101 BTKs 3214-3233 (in pairs, in order), CKs 5137-5146 (not in order).
3-sets 'P' 445-448 (9/28, as above): D.2102 BTKs 4055-4062 (in pairs, in order), CKs 5147-5150 (in order).
Set 469 (2/27, London-Worthing service): formation BTK-TK-TK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK, using 4048/2351/2350/7667/7665/7666/2349/4049.
Set 470 (10/26, London-Eastbourne service until 3/27, then Worthing): formation BTK-TK-FK-FK-FK-FK-TK-BTK, using 4050/2355/7674/7673/7672/7671/2354/4051.
FKs 7218 and 7219 were formed in sets 206 and 207 in 1931; 7211-7213, 7215, 7225, 7230-7231 and 7675-7676 were formed in sets 244-247, 430, 329-330 and 241-242 in 1933; 7216 and 7222 were formed in sets 248 and 327 in 1936. All these 'new' sets were otherwise formed of high-window stock. 7227 was condemned with fire damage, 8/36.

The TKs and (initially) the FKs were loose 'strengther' vehicles for making up trains at periods of heavy demand and could turn up anywhere R4 stock was premitted.
The BCKs were intended for single car through services to the West of England, which effectively meant any branch line west of Salisbury and Bournemouth.
The SK and BSKs were part of the 'pool' of stock for the Newhaven Boat Train, with TKs 2352/2353 and FKs 7668-7670 built at Ashford at the same time. In theory any number of vehicles from the pool (with the BSKs one at each end, of course) would form the Boat Train subject to demand. A Pullman First would be included in the train to provide dining facilities. As the SK/BSKs were outwardly identical to the D.2001 TKs and D.2102 BTKs then the Boat Train could be modelled with suitably rebranded vehicles. An often quoted formation was BSK-Pullman-FK-SK-BSK, with a TK inserted for the 'Night' service.

469 was reduced to 6-cars in 1933, 7666 (to loose) and 7667 (to set 430) being removed; 4049 was replaced by 2789 (a D.2113 high-window 1935 stock BTK) in 1945 due to war damage.
470 was reduced to 3-cars in 1933, all of the TKs and FKs (all to loose) being replaced by 5656 (a D.2301 high-window 1929 stock CK). 7672 and 7674 were formed in sets 202 and 250 in 1936.

Apart from the early period when one or two would run with added First and Third dining vehicles on the Bournemouth main line services, the 'P' sets were the only sets which maintained the same formations from introduction until the very end of Maunsell stock operation in the early 1960s.

Matching stock not being produced by Dapol (ie look for available kits): D.2551 Three-compartment Pantry First Brake; D.2651 Kitchen and Dining First; D.2652 Dining Third Saloon; D.2653 'General' Saloon.

This basically covers the Southern operation of the 'low window' Maunsell stock right up to the start of the war; I shall ignore the war and immediate post-war (the Malachite) period as formations were very fluid and difficult to keep a track of.

The following were lost due to accident or enemy action between 1938 and the end of 1947: 801, 807.

One 1945-created set which did last into BR days was set 273, one of six (268-273) formed BCK-TK-CK-TK-BCK from previously loose stock; low-window BCKs 6571/6574 and TKs 771/787 were joined by high-window CK 5636 in 273. As part of the same exercise, three sets (265-267) formed BTK-TK-FK-TK-BTK were created and low-window FKs 7209/7220/7669 were formed in 265/266/267 respectively. The other vehicles in all these sets were high-window stock. These were classified 5-sets 'G' and allocated to West of England, and Brighton to Bournemouth and Plymouth services. In 1947 265-267 lost a TK each and were then used on Waterloo-Bournemouth-Weymouth services as 4-sets 'H',  strengthened with First and Third Dining vehicles as required. Sets 265-267 were disbanded in 1948; by 1953, 273 was a 10-car Pullman Dining set on the Waterloo-Southampton Docks service, but ran as a 5-set in the winter.

Sometime before the end of 1947, sets 390-399/445-448 were reclassified as 3-sets 'M' (along with several similarly-formed 'high-window' sets) and were put to working Waterloo to Weymouth/Salisbury services.

In 1948, eight 2-sets 'R' (22-29) were formed, low-window BCKs 6567/6569/6575 (in sets 29/28/23 respectively) being included with other high-window BCKs and Third Brakes. By 1959 they had been demoted to 2-sets 'P' and were on local services in the Western District, mainly on the Bude and Padstow branches.

In 1950, BCKs 6565/6566 were formed with TKs 818/819, two high-window TKs and three new Bulleid CKs in an Eastern Section special services 9-set, 263. The low-window vehicles lasted in this set through several reformations until the set was disbanded in 1959, the BCKs being condemned and the other vehicles redeployed.

By 1953, 3-set 'M' 391-395 were reclassed 3-set 'N' and transferred to Bournemouth West-Bath Green Park services. The remainder were still on Weymouth, Salisbury and West of England services.

In 1954, the Boat Train second-class vehicles were reclassified as Thirds and renumbered; BSKs 4481/4482 became BTKs 2772/2773, and SKs 4483-4486 became TKs, 1921-1924. 2772 was in set 234 in 1957, the others remained loose stock.

In 1956, all Third class was redesignated as Second class.

In 1958, BCK 6570 and SKs 823/824/827 were included with various high-window vehicles in two new 6-sets for the Western District, 340/341. The BCK was replaced by a high-window version in 1959 at the same time as SKs 810/829 replaced high-window CKs. The SKs remained until the sets were withdrawn in 1961, all of them being condemned.

Also in 1958, 2-sets 'W' 100-110, for Western District local services were created, BCKs 6572/6573/6576/6577 was the only members of the 'low-window' fleet included, in sets 101/106/105/102 respectively. Initially the other vehicle was an ex-SECR 10-compartment non-corridor second, but in late 1959 a Maunsell Second Open was substituted; by then 6573/6577 were the only low-window BCKs remaining, the others having been replaced by high-window versions. These sets then remained unchanged until withdrawl. They worked on the Bere Alston-Callington line, and the Sidmouth, Exmouth and Lime Regis branches.

Sets 391/393, 445/448 were withdrawn in 1958; 273, 392, 447, 470 in 1959.

By 1960, the remaining 3-sets were reclassified 3-set 'SD', 390/394-399 and 446 working Bournemouth West-Bath

The remaining 3-sets were withdrawn in 1961, along with the remains of set 469; the 2-sets 22-29/100-10 were 'withdrawn' in 1962, being part of the 'dowry', along with several loose BCKs (one of which was low-window 6569), of the turning over of the lines west of Wilton to the Western Region. The WR immediately painted out the set numbers and changed the coach number prefixes to 'W'.

Of the loose stock, all of the SKs had been withdrawn by the end of 1961, bar 811, which lasted until 10/62; the 'Boat Train' BSKs 2772/73 were withdrawn in 12/58 and 10/59 respectively; the BCKs were all gone by the end of 1959, 6568/6569/6573/6577 being the exceptions, the first withdrawn in 11/61 and the others as noted above; and of the FKs, the majority had been withdrawn by the end of 1959, five examples lasting until the end of 1961 and a further three struggling into 1962.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on July 30, 2014, 08:53:34 AM
Hi Talisman,

OK, slightly confused now.  :confused1:

Is your analysis excluding the 4-compartment brake 3rd and the Brake Compo? Did I get the wrong end of the stick about Dapol's intentions or are they just releasing the stock you have listed above with the D2101 and BCK to follow at a later unspecified date?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 09:20:55 AM
Hi Karhedron,

I'm glad that I'm not the only one confused.  :confused1:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 30, 2014, 11:10:57 AM
Please read the bold text in my post - I've had to go out and will update that post when I return home...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on July 30, 2014, 11:25:00 AM
Oops, sorry.  :-[

:sorrysign:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 11:38:46 AM
Well if all else fails I've got the artwork for a lot of Maunsell sides that could be used for decals or Vinyls, this is a low res version, that lot fit an A4 sheet, also done some work on Ironclads.

[smg id=7022]
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on July 30, 2014, 12:57:58 PM
I think I'll have to wait and see what actually comes out when Dapol finally get around to it. All this pre-release contemplation is making my head want to go off bang.

Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 11:38:46 AM
Well if all else fails I've got the artwork for a lot of Maunsell sides that could be used for decals or Vinyls, this is a low res version, that lot fit an A4 sheet, also done some work on Ironclads.

Really interesting to see these, Mike. Would they be suitable for Ultima kits and Poole-era Farish coaches?

Peter
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
Problem using Farish  "main line" stock in most cases is window position although a bit of fiddling is possible, also making the sides of brakes narrower;  better approach would be the BHE  shells, NGS SR bogies and Ultima roofs and under floor bits still need to do something about brake sides, main problem with vinyls is the lack of surface detail, door handles, vents over doors, etc.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on July 30, 2014, 11:25:00 AM
Oops, sorry.  :-[

:sorrysign:

My apologies, also; I just find the subject very bewildering. 8-(
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on July 30, 2014, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
Problem using Farish  "main line" stock in most cases is window position although a bit of fiddling is possible, also making the sides of brakes narrower;  better approach would be the BHE  shells, NGS SR bogies and Ultima roofs and under floor bits still need to do something about brake sides, main problem with vinyls is the lack of surface detail, door handles, vents over doors, etc.

I was mainly thinking about the Ultima Ironclads. I have a set on my wish list, but adding all the carriage side detailing (lined SR paintwork, etc) might be easier with vinyls. I'm already planning to add door handles to Farish non-corridor stock, so doing that over the vinyls shouldn't be any more taxing.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 30, 2014, 04:49:50 PM
My original post above has now been updated... enjoy?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
No mention of the Maunsell's converted for Push-Pull in 1959, sets 600 - 609 formed from BCKs and open seconds. withdrawal of them started in 1963
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 30, 2014, 05:42:20 PM
Many thanks. Now, all we need to know is the actual running numbers of the Dapol Maunsells and then we can cross-reference them to this list.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 30, 2014, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 30, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
No mention of the Maunsell's converted for Push-Pull in 1959, sets 600 - 609 formed from BCKs and open seconds. withdrawal of them started in 1963

They were all high-window 1935-stock BCKs and 1930 Second Opens... neither type of which is being produced by Dapol.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 30, 2014, 10:48:05 PM
Quote from: Pete33 on July 30, 2014, 04:23:08 PM
I was mainly thinking about the Ultima Ironclads. I have a set on my wish list, but adding all the carriage side detailing (lined SR paintwork, etc) might be easier with vinyls. I'm already planning to add door handles to Farish non-corridor stock, so doing that over the vinyls shouldn't be any more taxing.

Oh definitely.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on July 31, 2014, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on September 13, 2013, 03:55:36 PM
Fittings may be a challenge in part and bogies even more so depending upon the type used.

Roof is the easy bit, lots of ways to scratch build simple curved roofs, and if you don't want to do that then given a profile I can quote you for a length of roofing strip to fit. Providing its a simple straight profile (ie no rounded ends, clerestories and funnies like that) its usually pretty cheap to bang them out as polished 3D prints as I've got tools to do it and I've done other roofs for people building Worsley scratch aids.

Complete shells to stick the sides and ends on are also not too hairy for most simple coach shapes but somewhat pricier both in materials and work.

Alan

Hi Alan

As an aside from the main topic (sorry, chaps), if you're back in production now, can I request a couple of LSWR-profile roofs to fit Farish non-suburban coaches? This will go alongside an order for other coach parts. I'm planning to have a stab at upgrading a couple of these coaches to resemble LSWR 56-footers without actually cutting out the extra foot of length or repainting the side bodies. If they work out then I'll do the same to the rest of my non-corridor stock.

Peter
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 31, 2014, 01:47:34 PM
Once I'm back up and running properly then ping me about it - shouldn't be too hard.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 28, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
Announced today by Dapol, the Maunsells are coming: http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information%2Fnews&news_id=114#.VMis9kD3T9U.facebook (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information%2Fnews&news_id=114#.VMis9kD3T9U.facebook)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Stevie DC on January 28, 2015, 05:40:06 PM
Oh, those look good. Shame I don't model the SR  :(
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: austinbob on January 28, 2015, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: Pete33 on January 28, 2015, 09:54:39 AM
Announced today by Dapol, the Maunsells are coming: http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information%2Fnews&news_id=114#.VMis9kD3T9U.facebook (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=information%2Fnews&news_id=114#.VMis9kD3T9U.facebook)
They do look good - shame the piggy bank is empty!  :'(
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: thebrighton on January 28, 2015, 05:54:09 PM
Quote from: Atso on January 28, 2015, 05:40:06 PM
Oh, those look good. Shame I don't model the SR  :(

All you need to do is tweak that GNR Atlantic to turn it into a LBSCR Atlantic....................
Gareth
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Stevie DC on January 28, 2015, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: thebrighton on January 28, 2015, 05:54:09 PMAll you need to do is tweak that GNR Atlantic to turn it into a LBSCR Atlantic....................
Gareth

Oh, don't you start again! I've got to make the standard GNR Atlantic actually work before I try being clever with any second rate copies!  :P  :P  :smiley-laughing:

Kind of back on topic, am I right in thinking that Farish is doing some SR bogie full brakes? Those, I might be able to justify...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 28, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
Well I've ordered 2 3rd brakes and 2 compos from Rails, I've got some Worsley Works etches so will try and hack a 4 compartment brake from the brakes and use them with one of the compos hopefully to produce one of the 39x sets and see what might be done with the other compo and some other WW sides and/or vinyls.

As of mid afternoon today Rails still had not received any, so it had to be an advance order. £4 cheaper than Dapol's price

For SR bogie brakes I hack ex Finelines, now Slimrails 2 x 4 wheel van kits and plant them on a Dapol Siphon chassis or cut down an old Farish or Lima one.

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The white bits on the body are additional vents it is necessary to remove the existing vents on the double doors. The white bit in the underframe is the battery box.

http://www.slimrails.co.uk/indexNgauge.html (http://www.slimrails.co.uk/indexNgauge.html).

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 28, 2015, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Atso on January 28, 2015, 05:40:06 PM
Oh, those look good. Shame I don't model the SR  :(

Now's the time to start  ;)

Quote from: austinbob on January 28, 2015, 05:52:22 PM
They do look good - shame the piggy bank is empty!  :'(

I've placed an advance order with Hattons with a partial-budget. I'll worry about the rest of the budget in the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 29, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Rails of Sheffield now have the Maunsell's in stock at £19.95, just paid for my preordered ones, so hopefully soon on their way.

Hattons still showing preorder at £20
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 29, 2015, 01:35:02 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on January 29, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Rails of Sheffield now have the Maunsell's in stock at £19.95, just paid for my preordered ones, so hopefully soon on their way.

Hattons still showing preorder at £20

For the sake of 5p per coach, I'll stick with my Hattons pre-order. I'm now starting to cast glances towards the front door whenever the postman arrives. It can't be too long now...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 29, 2015, 02:01:56 PM
My pre-order with Kernow is being despatched, according the the email I've just received.  :bounce:  :claphappy:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 29, 2015, 03:42:29 PM
I saw Kernow's online announcement this morning that they had theirs. Looks like it's a race to assemble the first rake of brand new Maunsells...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 29, 2015, 03:53:55 PM
I have a little race of my own going on: Kernow have half my order, Model Railways Direct have the other half. Now will the parcel from Kernow arrive before I get the Email from MRD and I nip over to Portishead to collect...  :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Did these ever end up in crimson/cream or maroon on the Southern region under BR? Very hard to tell from B&W photos!

These look ace but one thing's bugging me... these are in SR 'Big Four' olive/Maunsell green right? What suitable traction is there for these lovely models currently on sale? I know the Farish N class is coming out in Southern olive green but it seems a bit silly that Dapol have left production of a Schools class in Maunsell olive green to a special limited numbers commission by Cheltenham models (which in itself could've not ended up being Maunsell...)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on January 30, 2015, 09:38:14 AM
Quote from: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Did these ever end up in crimson/cream or maroon on the Southern region under BR? Very hard to tell from B&W photos!
Crimson and cream, yes.
Maroon, no.

In the late 50s, the SR painted all of their coaches green and ignored Maroon all together. The only SR coaches I know of to wear Maroon were a handful of Bulleids that wound up in Scotland.

Quote from: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
These look ace but one thing's bugging me... these are in SR 'Big Four' olive/Maunsell green right? What suitable traction is there for these lovely models currently on sale? I know the Farish N class is coming out in Southern olive green but it seems a bit silly that Dapol have left production of a Schools class in Maunsell olive green to a special limited numbers commission by Cheltenham models (which in itself could've not ended up being Maunsell...)
I agree, there does seem to be a slight failure of joined up thinking here. The only express RTR locos I can think of that are available currently to pull Maunsell coaches in original livery are from Union Mills. Their T9 would look great at the head of a rake.

(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb474/minzapint/Railway/DSCF0249.jpg) (http://s1207.photobucket.com/user/minzapint/media/Railway/DSCF0249.jpg.html)

If you are looking a little lower down the power scale, Dapol do (or have done) an M7 in Maunsell Olive and a Terrier too.

(http://dapol.co.uk/image/data/HK-SOUTHERN-TERRIER.jpg)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rf3rFHkdhW8/TrGrbgapIwI/AAAAAAAAAGE/_qfEl5TpFKo/s1600/southern.jpg)

Otherwise it is a case of waiting for the Schools and Mogul.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 30, 2015, 11:32:28 AM
You could also use the BHE N15 kit or Langley S15 kit, the Union Mills 700 could appear on branch line passenger, so could the Dapol Q1 in WW2 period and up to nationalisation; Spam cans could also pull Maunsells in olive, not all received malachite before BR blood and custard, I also saw a 3 set of Maunsells in plum and spilt milk on a Waterloo Weymouth service.

On a Somerset and Dorset layout you could use UM 2P or 3F Farish black 5, 4F or Jinty.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 01:32:29 PM
Thanks for the haulage ideas Karlhedron and Mike. Could they have they been pulled by Fairburn tanks in the BR period?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 30, 2015, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 01:32:29 PM
Thanks for the haulage ideas Karlhedron and Mike. Could they have they been pulled by Fairburn tanks in the BR period?

Well, it's a high-window one, but the first coach behind the Fairburn in this picture is a Maunsell (in Crimson/Cream):

http://www.semgonline.com/steam/pics/Fairburn05.jpg (http://www.semgonline.com/steam/pics/Fairburn05.jpg)

I think in practice, as most, if not all, of the Restriction 4 low-window Maunsells were on LSWR lines and the Fairburns were mainly to be found in East Sussex and Kent, it would be a rare occurrence where the Dapol models are concerned...

If all else fails.. Rule 1!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on January 30, 2015, 02:10:24 PM
Quote from: d-a-n on January 30, 2015, 01:32:29 PM
Thanks for the haulage ideas Karlhedron and Mike. Could they have they been pulled by Fairburn tanks in the BR period?
In the BR period, you have a lot more choice. Standard 3MT and 4MT tanks and standard 4 2-6-0s were common on the SR. I think both Standard and Ivatt 2MTs could be seen too. Not sure about Fairburns.

You could even get GWR types. Both Weymouth and Folkstone had panniers for shunting at times. Churchward Moguls sometimes hauled SR stock on the North Downs line and the WR and SR locos used to use each others' routes between Exeter and Plymouth on a regular basis in case the route knowledge was needed for diversions.

Of course they would probably have been in C&C or BR(S) green by then.

Standard 4 2-6-0 (Farish) on Maunsells
(http://www.semgonline.com/steam/pics/kh_76030.jpg)

Standard tank (with slightly different High windowed maunsells)
(http://svsfilm.com/30939/tatt1b.jpg)

GWR Pannier on mixed SR stock at Folkstone. Boat trains often added loose vehicles.
(http://locodriver.co.uk/Railway_Encyclopedia/Part166/Part03/img14.gif)

Neither the list or the photos are comprehensive, there are probably some locos I have forgotten. But hopefully it shows that much more varied motive power that is suitable is available in the BR era.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 30, 2015, 02:21:39 PM
Most of the Brighton-built Fairburns were used in East Sussex and Kent on local services in the mid-50s, until Brighton produced enough Standard versions so that the LMS machines could be shuffled off to where they should have been in the first place.

This is why I've got the Farish BR early emblem model (the 1:1 version was shedded at various locations in Kent) to use with my mid-50s stock...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 31, 2015, 10:32:30 AM
Two brake 3rds and 2 compos arrived, they certainly look good, and have the corridor connection bits , photo to follow later unles someone beats me to it.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 31, 2015, 12:35:03 PM
I have collected my parcel from the Post Office. One each of TK, BTK, CK, FK and Van C. The corridor connection system looks interesting, as soon as I've got the hang of it and done some testing, I'll report back... :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 31, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
Hattons doesn't even seem to have its stock in yet. I'm going to be late to the party...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 31, 2015, 01:37:20 PM
Quote from: Pete33 on January 31, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
Hattons doesn't even seem to have its stock in yet. I'm going to be late to the party...

Neither, apparently, has Model Railways Direct, who have the other half of my pre-orders...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 31, 2015, 03:45:57 PM
Herewith photos, the detail is excellent, coupling is quite close and with the corridor connections extended and the slot in piece inserted they look even better

T9 heading 2 BTKs and a CK, no corridor connections extended to show coupling distance.
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Close up of the corridor connection extended
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corridor connections joined; note also detail of lining and lettering and Smoking (green ) & No smoking signs (red) in compartrment windows
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The bit of plastic, slots into the extended corridor connections
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Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 31, 2015, 03:48:31 PM
The Maunsells have arrived, and after resetting the clock to 1934, appeared on Dunestone behind a 'T9'...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20870.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20870)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20871.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20871)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20872.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20872)

A few pictures showing the corridor connections:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20873.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20873)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20874.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20874)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20875.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20875)

I've written a review of these coaches in the 'Product Reviews' section at: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24215.msg281028#msg281028 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=24215.msg281028#msg281028)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on January 31, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on January 31, 2015, 03:45:57 PM
Herewith photos, the detail is excellent, coupling is quite close and with the corridor connections extended and the slot in piece inserted they look even better

T9 heading 2 BTKs and a CK, no corridor connections extended to show coupling distance.
[smg id=20893]

Coupling looks very close, even without the corridor connectors. What's the tightest radius curve they'll negotiate?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on January 31, 2015, 08:26:11 PM
How about meeting at the  Bournemouth show next weekend and running 12+ Maunsells behind a T9, Arthur, H15, S15 or whatever; there are 9 N layouts, surely one will allow guest running.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on January 31, 2015, 11:06:36 PM
I have been reading this with some interest and have decided to to purchase some of these. But being a complete novice, I was just wondering if one of you kind gentlemen could point me in the direction of what would make up a typical rake of coaches either 3 - 4 - 5 rake. Please make it simple as I am still finding it difficult to work out what coach goes where on a rake :confused1: :doh:

I have found this on dapol website http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=177_59_68_141&product_id=1715 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=177_59_68_141&product_id=1715)

Would this do or would I need other coaches and would I need a break van and does it matter what running number it is ???

I really get confused with working out what I need.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 31, 2015, 11:30:05 PM
Get one of the sets and another 3rd Brake and you'll have a handy 5-car set. The Maunsell coaches as they are don't lend themselves to making up short sets so I'd just 'Rule 1' it and make up a rake as if it was made from 'loose' stock...

A three car set could be made from two brakes and a composite; four car sets were typically made up from 2 brakes and 2 composites, or two brakes, a corridor third and a corridor first.

Once the 4-compartment 3rd Brakes are released then hopefully Dapol will bite the bullet and release a 'P' set made from 2 brakes and a Composite, or you could make one up yourself from individual coaches.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chetcombe on February 01, 2015, 01:20:43 AM
Not my era but I love the close coupling and corridor insert. I hope this is something that can be extended to other types of coach.

Oh, and to all those that model the SR... Enjoy!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on February 01, 2015, 10:44:46 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on January 31, 2015, 11:30:05 PM
Once the 4-compartment 3rd Brakes are released then hopefully Dapol will bite the bullet and release a 'P' set made from 2 brakes and a Composite, or you could make one up yourself from individual coaches.

If Dapol don't I am sure one of the big shops will commission an exclusive.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 02, 2015, 05:42:16 PM
Do these come with easyshunt couplings?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 02, 2015, 05:59:13 PM
No, just the fixed equivalents, as in the little bag in this picture:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20863.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20863)

I use them within fixed sets and leave a Rapido on the outer end...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 02, 2015, 06:21:40 PM
Cheers for that. Just wanted to check. Can't wait for them to turn up :) Damn Osborn's and there Monday day off  :P
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 02, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
Mine arrived today. I'll wait until the weekend to take them out of the boxes, but through the cellophane I have to say they look absolutely exquisite. In particular the 'Smoking' / Non-Smoking signs on the windows: A very nice detail.

Longer term I think I'd like to tone some of the rooves down (they look a little too ex-works), and get some weathered relief around door frames etc ... but overall I am absolutely delighted to see these lovely models in my grubby little mitts :)






Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 02, 2015, 11:04:56 PM
Stock still not arrived at Hattons, sadly. The roofs look pristine. I'm wondering whether I can get away with giving them just a light wash (for 1930), but given that some of them will have been in service for three or four years, probably not. A series of washes on each roof, I think, more for the earlier ones so that each carriage will have its own tone. Can't wait to get hold of them!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 04, 2015, 03:50:33 PM
Mine arrived today. Just superb! To say they are free running is an understatement. My original run M7 will pull five and a CCT  :claphappy:
Edit just to prove it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqxRSgEUevs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqxRSgEUevs&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 05, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
I noticed today's announcement by Osborn's that they have their stock. For pre-orders with Hattons, you'll have to wait until next week.

Hattons said: "...it appears that the coaches are going to be on our next delivery from Dapol, which should arrive with our selves next week."

They responded very quickly to my enquiry, and promised to dispatch orders as soon as the stock arrives.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 05, 2015, 05:05:58 PM
It appears that Model Railways Direct are in the same situation - they haven't advised me that the preorder I placed with them is available for collection...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 05, 2015, 11:12:37 PM
QuoteCan't wait to get hold of them!

You can come and drool over mine at the Bournemouth exhibition this weekend.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: joe cassidy on February 06, 2015, 07:22:34 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 04, 2015, 03:50:33 PM
Mine arrived today. Just superb! To say they are free running is an understatement. My original run M7 will pull five and a CCT  :claphappy:
Edit just to prove it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqxRSgEUevs&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqxRSgEUevs&feature=youtu.be)

How come the M7 never won the world speed record for steam locos ?

Looks to me that yours could out-run Mallard  ;)

Best regards,


Jo
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 06, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
The dapol M7 is a rocket! Just a small amount of power and its off.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 07, 2015, 11:57:10 AM
I have two of them Mr Chapman, and found that not only are they like a rocket, but proceed at such speed in a pogo-stick style.

I have to say that now, some years later, they seem to be settling down, but that's little consolation after years of dissappointment and frustration.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 07, 2015, 06:52:39 PM
I have 4 M7s, I get no rocket or jack rabbit performance; I suspect the problem many have is likely to be due to the controller. One suggestion is to add a resistor in series with the feed from the controller to track with a switch connected across it so the resistor can be bypassed for locos that behave normally. resistor value between 22 and 47 ohms, 1 watt, experiment with values to find one that suits your controller and the loco.
             
                             |-resistor-|
controller------------|              |------------- track
                             |--switch--|

Switch open/off, resistor is used, Switch closed/on resistor bypassed.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 07, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
My M7's perform well. I use a gaugemaster. I was just commenting on the surprising turn of speed they have, much like the Q1. Dapol or real thing. Come to think of it I've never had a dudd from Dapol.


Please note I don't want this to turn into ANOTHER thread about dapol QC blah blah blah. I know people have had the odd duff model. But no more than any other company.

Except union mills locos which are indestructible :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Roy L S on February 07, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 07, 2015, 08:14:35 PM
My M7's perform well. I use a gaugemaster. I was just commenting on the surprising turn of speed they have, much like the Q1. Dapol or real thing. Come to think of it I've never had a dudd from Dapol.


Please note I don't want this to turn into ANOTHER thread about dapol QC blah blah blah. I know people have had the odd duff model. But no more than any other company.

Except union mills locos which are indestructible :)

Nope not quite, my UM D16/3 is a bit of a lemon. Slow running dreadful, stutters and lurches in reverse. Now awaiting a motor upgrade.

Roy
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 07, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Help wanted please I have already asked before but still cannot get my head round it at all. So have to ask for help again. :sorrysign:

I want to buy a rake of 5 Maunsell Coaches to run on my southern railway its based loosely in East Sussex. And I am not sure what to get I think they ran from Eastbourne.

Firstly what stockist on line to go for. But they must be in stock.

And secondly and most important to me is I need help choosing what I should get if someone could write me a shopping list with order codes as the running numbers mean nothing to me I would also like a Brake Van but again not sure what number to order.

If you could please help it would be much appreciated. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on February 07, 2015, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: UPINSMOKE on February 07, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
I want to buy a rake of 5 Maunsell Coaches to run on my southern railway its based loosely in East Sussex. And I am not sure what to get I think they ran from Eastbourne.

There were several 5-coach sets of Maunsells formed over the years made up of BTK-TK-FK-TK-BTK. I suspect the formation is not exactly right for the particular coaches Dapol have released but if you are looking for something "about right", this should do nicely.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 07, 2015, 10:43:17 PM
For Eastbourne I'd have thought BTK, TK, 2x FK BTK, or BTK CK FK CK BTK, the commuter services from Brighton, Eastbourne and Worthing usually had more first class accommodation than elsewhere. the Eastbourne  & Worthing 8 sets as discussed earlier in this thread were BTK, TK, 4 X FK, TK, BTK,  Rails of Sheffield show stock of all the Maunsells Dapol have released so far.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 08, 2015, 12:29:46 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys. But to make it even clearer to me and to you what I needed was what of the following I should buy.

2P-012-001 N Gauge Maunsell Coach First Class Maunsell Lined Green 7671
2P-012-002 N Gauge Maunsell Coach First Class Maunsell Lined Green 7674
2P-012-051 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Brake Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 4051
2P-012-052 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Brake Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 4050
2P-012-100 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 2354
2P-012-101 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 2355
2P-012-151 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5138
2P-012-152 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5147

2P-012-201 N Gauge Maunsell Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 448
2P-012-200 N Gauge Maunsell Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 716

2P-012-251 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Set 469 Maunsell Lined Green
The Set Comprises of Brake Third 4048, Third Class 2350, 2 x First Class 7665 & 7667

The numbers in Red are the order numbers and the ones in Blue are the running numbers for each coach so what I need to know does it matter what running numbers I choose as long as a get a rake of say 5 as you have mentioned in the previous posts. Its the running numbers I find confusing. Well to be honest I find the order numbers confusing as well what do they all mean :confused2: :worried: :worried: :doh: :doh: :doh: :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 08, 2015, 10:51:12 AM
Probably easiest and maybe a little cheaper to get the 4 coach set and a brake third, the coaches in the set from Rails of Sheffield are listed  as set 450 with 2 brake 3rds and 2 compos, maybe best to ask before ordering, if it's as you quote then the fifth coach needs to be BTK, if as Rails list, then either a TK or FK would be OK

Quote2P-012-251 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Set 469 Maunsell Lined Green
The Set Comprises of Brake Third 4048, Third Class 2350, 2 x First Class 7665 & 7667

Quote2P-012-052 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Brake Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 4050

OR if as Rails have it listed then one of the following

Quote2P-012-002 N Gauge Maunsell Coach First Class Maunsell Lined Green 7674

Quote2P-012-100 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 2354

None of these combinations are prototypical, Dapol have not released enough different coaches to make up actual SR sets; all you can do is make up something that suits your budget from what is available. From the coaches Dapol have so far released you could make up 8 coach sets 469 or 470 but you would have to renumber some of the coaches.









Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 08, 2015, 04:40:44 PM
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd62/LondonResident/Rolling%20stock/Maunsell-Header_zpsefi7jcod.jpg) (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/LondonResident/media/Rolling%20stock/Maunsell-Header_zpsefi7jcod.jpg.html)

New stock for 1926 announced here (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=378.msg283129;topicseen#msg283129) :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 04:45:34 PM
I've not seen any pictures of a Maunsell with a light bar in yet. So here you go
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1041.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1041.jpg.html)
It looks far brighter in the picture than real life. The roof is moulded onto the body so there's no light bleed like the GWR coaches.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: ChrisWV10 on February 13, 2015, 05:40:43 PM
Does the whole body come off then MrC? With The Colletts and Gresleys just the roof pops off to fit the light bar.

Cheers

C. :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
There's two screws on the underside between the bogies. Unscrew these and everything above the solebar lifts off. The sides, ends and roof are all one piece so there's now pipes to remove like on the Colletts. Its a better system with less chance of damaging anything or light bleed.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 13, 2015, 09:50:27 PM
Hi how does the light bar work when fitted to these coaches. I have just ordered mine with light bars to go with then. I just ask as I have never fitted them before, so any help with how its done would be good. They do look good though :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 13, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
Will you be putting passengers in Mr C ?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Here you go UPINSMOKE
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1064.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1064.jpg.html)
Undo these screws.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1065.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1065.jpg.html)
There is a loose clip here around half way down the body
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1066.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1066.jpg.html)
The light bar sits in this channel in the roof
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1067.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1067.jpg.html)
Plug your light bar in this end socket. It will only fit one way around. If you you need to, apply a little pressure with a flat screwdriver between the wires.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1068.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1068.jpg.html)
Slot the bar in :)

Then just pop the body back on and your good to go. Just watch the wires when you lower the body. If you want to hold the light bar in place with a small piece of stick tape you can.
Don't forget to add set numbers to your brakes  ;)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1035.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1035.jpg.html)
Hmmm... My track looks quite good  :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 10:49:46 PM
Quote from: Southernboy on February 13, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
Will you be putting passengers in Mr C ?
With the large windows lit up I think I'll have to  :hmmm: Perhaps not too many, the night train is never as busy  :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 13, 2015, 10:59:12 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
Here you go UPINSMOKE
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1064.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1064.jpg.html)
Undo these screws.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1065.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1065.jpg.html)
There is a loose clip here around half way down the body
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1066.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1066.jpg.html)
The light bar sits in this channel in the roof
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1067.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1067.jpg.html)
Plug your light bar in this end socket. It will only fit one way around. If you you need to, apply a little pressure with a flat screwdriver between the wires.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1068.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1068.jpg.html)
Slot the bar in :)

Then just pop the body back on and your good to go. Just watch the wires when you lower the body. If you want to hold the light bar in place with a small piece of stick tape you can.
Don't forget to add set numbers to your brakes  ;)
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1035.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1035.jpg.html)
Hmmm... My track looks quite good  :NGaugersRule:

Thank you so much for the picture guide it is invaluable to me. I now feel a bit more confident in doing this. One other question why do I need to add set numbers to your brakes  ;)

I am sorry that I am so thick :worried: :doh: I do need a lot of help sometimes please explain and again  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 13, 2015, 11:00:21 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1067.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1067.jpg.html)

Hmm... that's interesting. Are the seat colours correct for first and third class?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 11:16:30 PM
I don't know about the seats. I'll have to open up a third. What colour should the be?
UPINSMOKE
Some Maunsells were organised into fixed sets. While there are very few prototypical sets that can be made from the current models you can make up your own. Then choose a vacant set number. The numbers are like number plates on cars so you can I.D the coaches. 
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 13, 2015, 11:21:49 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 11:16:30 PM
I don't know about the seats. I'll have to open up a third. What colour should the be?
UPINSMOKE
Some Maunsells were organised into fixed sets. While there are very few prototypical sets that can be made from the current models you can make up your own. Then choose a vacant set number. The numbers are like number plates on cars so you can I.D the coaches.

Ok thanks for the prompt answer I now have learned one more thing I did not know. How did you do the numbers or are there transfers I could use.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 11:28:47 PM
I used these from Fox transfers
http://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/sr-railway-coaching-stock-set-numberset-62100 (http://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/sr-railway-coaching-stock-set-numberset-62100)
I like Fox, there good quality. No connection ;)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 13, 2015, 11:34:55 PM
Seats: the colours changed over the years (various books include the subject if detail is required), but I believe the general safe rule for modellers is blue for first, red for second.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 13, 2015, 11:45:26 PM
Quote from: Southernboy on February 13, 2015, 11:34:55 PM
Seats: the colours changed over the years (various books include the subject if detail is required), but I believe the general safe rule for modellers is blue for first, red for second.
Just had a look. All other vehicles have red seats :)
Well done Dapol  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 18, 2015, 12:49:39 AM
My coaches have arrived  from dapol:D :claphappy: I ended up getting the following

2P-012-251 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Set 469 Maunsell Lined Green
The Set Comprises of Brake Third 4048, Third Class 2350, 2 x First Class 7665 & 7667

2P-012-151 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5138

2P-012-152 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5147

2P-012-051 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Brake Third Class Maunsell Lined Green 4051

2P-012-200 N Gauge Maunsell Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 716

I also bought the light bars for all 7 coaches.

Really please with what dapol have produced with these, they are superb :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Caz on February 18, 2015, 08:41:31 PM
My 2P-012-251 N Gauge Maunsell Coach Set also arrived today, what superb models but now need to buy a few more to make up a  7 or 8 coach rake, guess I'm going to need a least another brake coach and probably the brake van.  Upinsmoke, are the extra coaches you ordered the right ones to make up a full rake please?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 18, 2015, 11:32:45 PM
QuoteUpinsmoke, are the extra coaches you ordered the right ones to make up a full rake please?

Hi Caz I cannot help with that I afraid. Not sure what is what when it comes to running orders. I just went with what Dorsetmike said.

QuoteFor Eastbourne I'd have thought BTK, TK, 2x FK BTK, or BTK CK FK CK BTK, the commuter services from Brighton, Eastbourne and Worthing usually had more first class accommodation than elsewhere. the Eastbourne  & Worthing 8 sets as discussed earlier in this thread were BTK, TK, 4 X FK, TK, BTK, 

And also what Karhedron has said.

QuoteThere were several 5-coach sets of Maunsells formed over the years made up of BTK-TK-FK-TK-BTK. I suspect the formation is not exactly right for the particular coaches Dapol have released but if you are looking for something "about right", this should do nicely.

I just bought on their sugestions and added an extra coach and the break van. Sorry cannot help further.

Mick
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 19, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
Caz, If you want to make up a set that actually existed with all the correct running numbers then you would need to do a bit of renumbering as Dapol have only produced part of set 469, you'd need 2 more FKs, and the other brake 3rd and TK, and renumber the FKs, I think the numbers were quoted earlier in this thread.

If however you just want a longer rake and are not too worried about prototypical running numbers then I would suggest a second 3rd brake, and 1st corridor and the 2 compos, that will give you an 8 coach rake with all running numbers different. Dapol have provided 2 running numbers of each type of coach so far, so an 8 coach rake should be OK, just make sure you order the numbers not in the set you have. The 4 wheel brake van is OK with the coaches or you could indulge in an Etched pixels bogie brake: if you already have one of the earlier Dapol SR 4 wheel CCTs, that can run as well as or instead of the brake van, with the third brakes having guards accommodation the 4 wheel brake is only extra luggage or parcels space!

You could run a parcels/vans train using CCTs and a 4 wheel brake, even add in some other vans, like fish or refrigerated, assuming they are all "fitted" (i.e. have vacuum brakes) that can run at passenger speeds.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 08:44:04 AM
To complete set 469 in its original formation you will need to add one more FK (7666), 2x TK (2349/2351) and a BTK (4049). The formations of the Worthing and Eastbourne sets were (according to Gould and King):

469: BTK 4048-TK 2351-TK 2350-FK 7667-FK 7665-FK 7666-TK 2349-BTK 4049
470: BTK 4050-TK 2355-FK 7674-FK 7673-FK 7672-FK 7671-TK 2354-BTK 4051

The ones in bold are available from Dapol.

There were also Pullmans (one Kitchen First, one Parlour Third) inserted in the rakes in service (these varied according to which ones were available).

470 only lasted on the Eastbourne run for a matter of months until it came to grief in Lewes tunnel (clearance issues), after which it was transferred to Worthing.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
Thanks for all the answers, one last query, I've got the Class N 2-6-0 1406 in SR Olive green with slope-sided tender on order, would this be a suitable loco to pull them?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
Most definitely - got one of those on order myself...  :)

...and a 'Schools'...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 19, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
Most definitely - got one of those on order myself...  :)

...and a 'Schools'...

Where is the best place to order the Class N 2-6-0 1406 in SR Olive green. Would be interested in one myself.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Caz on February 19, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Quote from: UPINSMOKE on February 19, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
Most definitely - got one of those on order myself...  :)

...and a 'Schools'...

Where is the best place to order the Class N 2-6-0 1406 in SR Olive green. Would be interested in one myself.

Mine's on order with Hatton's where I get most of my stuff, fast and reliable.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on February 19, 2015, 09:17:12 PM
Quote from: UPINSMOKE on February 19, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Where is the best place to order the Class N 2-6-0 1406 in SR Olive green. Would be interested in one myself.
In an ideal world, your local model shop. Failing that any of the big box shifters. I gave had good service from Hattons and Rails of Sheffield in the past.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: UPINSMOKE on February 19, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
Most definitely - got one of those on order myself...  :)

...and a 'Schools'...

Where is the best place to order the Class N 2-6-0 1406 in SR Olive green. Would be interested in one myself.

I usually order from Kernow or Model Railways Direct.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 20, 2015, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
I usually order from Kernow or Model Railways Direct.

Kernow always seems to be a pound or three more expensive than Hattons. MRD can be quite expensive on postage. I've got an N Class on pre-order with Hattons.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 20, 2015, 09:43:53 AM
Osborn's for me. Southern Green and SECR grey. Always good service from them. The Green N though won't be the same light olive shade as the dapol maunsells, M7, terrier ect... It will be a darker shade. Still a 1930's livery but not the same. Just thought it was worth pointing out.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Caz on February 20, 2015, 09:50:41 AM
Came across this video, lots of interest for Southern steam and early electric lovers including video from the 1930's.  It's downloadable in HD so I'm going to watch it on the big telly later.   :)

http://youtu.be/yd_3AlPQc6c (http://youtu.be/yd_3AlPQc6c)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Agrippa on February 20, 2015, 10:18:56 AM
Very interesting video, will view it on youtube later, plenty of info for Southern modellers.
Trains with maroon, green and blood'n'custard coaches running together, plus Southern
goods trains which are not so common. Also interesting to see Folkestone area , I have
family members there and it's changed quite a bit , specially since the '50s
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 20, 2015, 11:15:21 AM
Quote from: Pete33 on February 20, 2015, 09:28:12 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 19, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
I usually order from Kernow or Model Railways Direct.

Kernow always seems to be a pound or three more expensive than Hattons. MRD can be quite expensive on postage. I've got an N Class on pre-order with Hattons.

Kernow, although a bit more expensive, as you say, are really good on getting things out to you, something I'm prepared to pay a small premium for. With MRD, it's 10 minutes down the road so I collect. :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 20, 2015, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: Mr chapman on February 20, 2015, 09:43:53 AM
The Green N though won't be the same light olive shade as the Dapol Maunsells, M7, Terrier, etc... It will be a darker shade. Still a 1930's livery but not the same. Just thought it was worth pointing out.

Why's that then?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 20, 2015, 04:27:49 PM
Southern "olive green" comes in two flavours. Light and dark.
Bachmann have always favoured the dark, where as hornby and dapol use the light. Here's some pictures of the 00 model. Smoke deflectors will not be fitted on the initial N version http://locoyard.com/2013/02/22/model-of-the-week-ex-secr-n-class-1824/ (http://locoyard.com/2013/02/22/model-of-the-week-ex-secr-n-class-1824/)
I assume they'll use the same shade on the N model.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 20, 2015, 04:35:38 PM
I seem to remember hearing that Ashford works used the lighter shade and Eastleigh the darker, or another rumour claimed that the difference was between Locos and coaches, anybody got any other ideas?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 20, 2015, 05:03:11 PM
I believe the Ashford/ Eastleigh theory is correct. I heard years ago it depended on weather it had a LSWR or SECR green undercoat. Its one of those things that seams lost to history and best guess applies to modellers. Its tuff to find a colour photo that's not faded from the time. Colour shades are notoriously difficult to get right. No one seams to be able to agree on grouping colours definitively. Let alone pre grouping  ???
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 20, 2015, 05:04:29 PM
Just had a look at the Craftmaster paints page and they have two shades of SR Olive Green listed - the darker shade is labelled 'Eastleigh Olive' and the lighter one 'Ashford Olive'. So the difference exists but I've not yet found the rhyme or reason for it...

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 20, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
Some people refer to the lighter one as Sage Green, a former LSWR colour. As applied to the Dapol ex LSWR M7. The olive green out of Eastleigh know simply as olive green is more of a SECR Wainwright green. As applied to the Farish ex SECR N class :)  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 20, 2015, 07:47:12 PM
Just to muddy the waters ...

A year or two back I raised the question of Southern liveries on one of the specialist forums because I was confused by the variations on offer from Phoenix precision paints.

As previously stated, there is Dark Olive Green (Eastleigh) and Light Olive Green (Ashford), which apply to locomotives. But there are also Coach Green (1924 - 1929) and Coach Green (1930 - 1935) before you move onto pre-war Malachite and post war Malachite.

Just for interest, and not applicable to Maunsells, but from 1921 the LSWR introduced their own green for carriage stock, which from my understanding was more of a 'Holly Green'. Stock with this livery would have still been seen into the later 1920s.

As to why the variations in colours ... well remember that 'international standards' or anything of that sort simply didn't exist back then. One man's 'sage green' was another man's 'moss green', and paints were produced by relatively small, local manufacturers.

So although a recipe may dictate 'an undercoat of A to be covered with two parts B and three parts C' ... the results could still vary regionally.

And at the end of the day - I think these slight variations lend interest to our trains :) 


Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on February 20, 2015, 11:15:38 PM
Interesting. Dapol have issued pretty much everything in Maunsell Green recently so I haven't got anything to make the comparison, other than Poole Farish coaches, and they certainly are darker. In general though it doesn't matter. Different paint batches and different maintenance depots produced different tones of Maunsell Green, so no pre-war locos or rolling stock were all entirely the same in colour. And that's without taking sun bleaching and dirt and weathering into account. It's all fine.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 21, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
So I bought up all the yellow Light Bars that Model Railways Direct had...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/30/thumb_21908.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21908)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bealman on February 21, 2015, 10:34:10 PM
Geez that yellow lighting looks the part. Very atmospheric.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: UPINSMOKE on February 21, 2015, 10:35:31 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on February 21, 2015, 10:30:57 PM
So I bought up all the yellow Light Bars that Model Railways Direct had...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/30/thumb_21908.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21908)

Really like the picture coaches look superb :thumbsup: need to get mine fitted at some time. Great work :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 24, 2015, 04:14:21 PM
IMPORTANT
Dapol maunsell owners. Stop using light bars immediately! Will explain later when I'm near a computer.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 24, 2015, 05:10:11 PM
Ok... I've been running a maunsell fitted with a light bar for a few hours. I noticed today when the coach caught the light a slight distortion in the roof. I checked the roof over and sure enough there is a VERY slight dip in it. I removed the body to check the light bar. All looked OK so I held the light bar under power between my fingers. Being LED's the bulbs don't generate any heat. HOWEVER... the diode (I think?) IS giving off quite a bit of heat.This bit here
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj126/themightyz/DSCF1103.jpg) (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/themightyz/media/DSCF1103.jpg.html)
The component lines up perfectly with the dent. Its so slight I couldn't pick it up with the camera but I have removed the light bar to prevent any further distortion. As I've only got the one bar handy I cant tell if its a dud or they all run hot in this area. These mount slightly differently to previous coaches so it could be a design fault. I would urge everyone with a light bar to hold this component to check if its running hot. After posting the initial picture I don't what people to start melting coaches because of me!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 24, 2015, 05:37:57 PM
Is this continuous running, Mr Chapman? DC or DCC? I've checked my three light bar-fitted coaches and cannot see any issues at the moment.

Having only a DC end-to-end layout where the maximum length of run is about 15 seconds, the lights on my stock only light up when power is applied to the track and turn off again when power is zeroed. I was going to take the full fleet (12 coaches) down to the club running-night tonight and see how many the T9 will cope with - perhaps I will still do and check the light-fitted coaches after a while and see what the status is...

EDIT: Thanks for the warning, BTW.

Second EDIT: Having had a look back at your initial picture, the wires linking the light bar to the plug look a lot shorter on your bar than the ones I've fitted to my Maunsells. Perhaps they're a different batch?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 24, 2015, 06:07:10 PM
Could be. It was old stock from my local shop. Its on DC power and has been run for maybe three hours in drips and drabs at a maximum of 30mins in one session. There is just a very small mark that could be lost by weathering. I'll email dapol first, see if I can get a body shell. My terrier will pull seven and a van easily. The union mills T9... 80-100! No exaggeration  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 24, 2015, 06:13:03 PM
There have been a few other reports over time (not many) of faulty light bars getting hot and melting the coach roofs. It shouldn't be getting hot at all.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 24, 2015, 08:27:12 PM
I know its not supposed to be hot, just thought it was worth flagging up. Check your lights :)
I've had a couple blow in a set of colletts on DCC, but they went distinctly orange before so I knew they were on the way out. This looks normal and works fine, its just running hot.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mr chapman on February 24, 2015, 09:19:27 PM
I've sent Dapol an Email about the roof. Will report back when I get a reply.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 24, 2015, 11:01:57 PM
Well the light-fitted coaches ran for 25 minutes continuously tonight and no excess temperatures detected. I'm going to be fitting the rest of the fleet eventually, but I'll keep an eye out for 'hot runners'.

There was a lot of scoffing at the sight of a 'Greyhound' with 12-up, but the N Gauge version was coping admirably, and could possibly had more on the drawbar...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Elvinley on February 25, 2015, 05:47:47 AM
I have had a couple of rogue lightbars. They tend to heat up pretty quickly and do indeed melt the roofs. The ones that work fine have never shown any signs of this so I think it is just something to be on the lookout for when initially fitting them. Dapol were very helpful when I contacted them about it.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: ahodgett on February 26, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
The light bars both yellow and white do have this problem occasionally. I have fitted all my LBR coaches and have had about 8 failures of this kind. I did contact Dapol a week or two ago and was told they didn't know about the problem, but it is definitely the voltage regulator in either the 7550-1 or 7550 or earlier 74 series which gets so hot it will burn you if you touch it. So on fitting now, I run without the roof for a while and check before fittng the roof. I haven't had one develop the fault over time, it's always been from new. So will copy this email to Dapol as I have about 7 of the 8 duff ones sitting here. I tried to remove the VR to replace it on the 8th one, but it's difficult with the way it's soldered in place.
I did take it up on the MERG group, but didn't get any firm conclusions.

Regards
Arthur   
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: ahodgett on February 26, 2015, 02:59:05 PM
I'm thinking of making a little test rig for the light bars. does anyone perhaps know of a source for the little plugs and sockets that Dapol use or a part number? I've tried searching but unsuccessfully?
Regards
Arthur
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Plainline. on April 12, 2016, 09:12:09 PM
Just a quick question. I am thinking of composing a branch line set of two maunsell coaches in the BR era, say late fifties, early sixties. Has anyone got any advice on which of the Dapol coaches would be suitable? Set would probably be hauled by an M7.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Kris on April 12, 2016, 09:21:05 PM
Most likely you would be looking for a brake composite and a brake 3rd, or a brake comp and a 3rd corridor.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 12, 2016, 11:09:25 PM
Some of the push pull sets had a Maunsell 3rd Open and a brake compo, I'll check out my Gould and King books see what 2 sets were around at that time. If you're modelling Southern really need one or other of either David Gould's or Mike King's books on Southern coaches, Set make up and numbers and changes, and withdrawal dates.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maunsells-Southern-Region-Steam-Carriage/dp/0853615551/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498393&sr=1-4&keywords=david+gould (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Maunsells-Southern-Region-Steam-Carriage/dp/0853615551/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498393&sr=1-4&keywords=david+gould)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bulleids-S-R-steam-passenger-stock/dp/B0006E2YGI/ref=sr_1_50?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498450&sr=1-50&keywords=david+gould (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bulleids-S-R-steam-passenger-stock/dp/B0006E2YGI/ref=sr_1_50?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498450&sr=1-50&keywords=david+gould)

Mike King's is getting a bit pricey
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illustrated-History-Southern-Coaches/dp/0860935701/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498575&sr=1-3&keywords=mike+king+southern+coaches (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Illustrated-History-Southern-Coaches/dp/0860935701/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1460498575&sr=1-3&keywords=mike+king+southern+coaches)

Both authors have also published books on SR passenger rated vans, and Gould has also done SR service stock.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 08:50:17 AM
Quote from: Plainline. on April 12, 2016, 09:12:09 PM
Just a quick question. I am thinking of composing a branch line set of two maunsell coaches in the BR era, say late fifties, early sixties. Has anyone got any advice on which of the Dapol coaches would be suitable? Set would probably be hauled by an M7.

The Dapol coaches aren't very suitable for any 2-sets in the 50s/60s as they were mainly composed of the later 'high-window' stock.

There were three in the 1948-created sets what were still around in the late-50s that did have 'low-window' BCKs (23/28/29), the other vehicle was a 'high-window' BTK. Of the 1958-created sets, 101 and 106 had 'low-window' BCKs. The original partner coaches were ex-SECR 10-compartment seconds (the '100-seaters'), but these were replaced by Maunsell Open Seconds.

The Dapol BCKs aren't avalable yet, should be out later in the year.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on April 13, 2016, 10:32:49 AM
As always Talisman has the definitive answer.  :thumbsup:

It is worth noting that you can probably get away with representing sets 23/28/29 using Dapol coaches by running the set with the BTK with the corridor side facing the viewer. The high-windows were on the corridor  side and I believe the low and high-windowed BTKs were pretty much indistinguishable from the compartment  side (please correct me if I am wrong on this  :read: ).

Edited due to brain-fail!  :-[
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on April 13, 2016, 11:49:50 AM
I believe that the high-windows were on the corridor side and low and high-windowed BTKs were pretty much indistinguishable from low windowed ones from the compartment side.  :o
I know what you meant, but you did ask to be corrected - unless of course I am wrong  :no:

Best
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 13, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
'Tother way round, corridor side defined the high or low windows, on the low windows the windows between doors were the same height as the door windows, for high window stock the windows between doors were higher; see the sixth pic down on this page for high windows on corridor side, 2nd and 4th pics for compartment side.

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/maunco03.html (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/maunco03.html)

Fifth pic down for a low window corridor side
http://www.semgonline.com/coach/maunco04.html (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/maunco04.html)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on April 13, 2016, 11:55:54 AM
Thanks Bob G and Dorsetmike for correcting me. I knew what I meant and then went typed the exact opposite.  :-[

Original post amended to avoid misleading people.  :dighole:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on April 13, 2016, 11:58:30 AM
No - leave it - we like confusion here  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 12:53:09 PM
I knew I'd seen a post with a direct comparison picture... :)

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93720-2manyspams-guide-to-southern-maunsell-coaching-stock/?p=1704620 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93720-2manyspams-guide-to-southern-maunsell-coaching-stock/?p=1704620)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 01:37:36 PM
Images of the 2-sets under discussion

2-set 'R' (1948) - sets 22-29 - along wth an M7...

http://www.modelrailforum.com/resources/Hornby2007/Images/image727.jpg (http://www.modelrailforum.com/resources/Hornby2007/Images/image727.jpg)

2-set 'W' (1958) - sets 100-110.

Maunsell BCK

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/6575.jpg (http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/6575.jpg)

SECR second (1958 to late 1959)

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/cd971_1.jpg (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/cd971_1.jpg)

Maunsell SO (late 1959 on)

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/wn-2009/1336_davec8383_16mar09h.jpg (http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/wn-2009/1336_davec8383_16mar09h.jpg)

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 06:33:55 PM
Just spotted on the Dapol website, 'In Stock Now' page.

New release of Maunsell lined Olive Green coaches [with set/usage info where applicable].

2P-012-003 Maunsell Coach First Maunsell Lined Green 7668 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-004 Maunsell Coach First Maunsell Lined Green 7670 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-053 Maunsell Coach Brake 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 4049 [Set 469]
2P-012-054 Maunsell Coach Brake 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 4048 [Set 469] - note that this one duplicates the BTK that was included in the 2P-012-251 4 Coach set in the original release.
2P-012-102 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 2353 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-103 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 780 [Did not exist - coach 780 was a Maunsell 'Continental' Third]
2P-012-153 Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5139 [3P-set 391]
2P-012-154 Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 4150 - typo; should be 5140 [3P-set 396]
2P-012-202 Maunsell Coach Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 700
2P-012-203 Maunsell Coach Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 422
2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.

Still no further news on the availability of the 4-compartment BTKs (that go with the Composites) and 6-compartment BCKs.

The NC040B Yellow Light Bars which are appropriate for these coaches are back in stock, apparently.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Plainline. on April 13, 2016, 08:12:17 PM
Thank you all for your replies and advice. They are much appreciated.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 21, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 06:33:55 PM

2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.


Looks like normal response from Dapol - question asked on the FB post on 13 April, no reply yet...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Newportnobby on April 21, 2016, 09:13:29 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on April 21, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on April 13, 2016, 06:33:55 PM

2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.


Looks like normal response from Dapol - question asked on the FB post on 13 April, no reply yet...

I believe they have written to Mr. Maunsell and are waiting a reply :laugh:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: nobby on April 21, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
according to kernow model centre the 6 coach pack 2P-012-252 contains

FK 7665         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2349
TK 2350         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2351
BTK 4048       already in 2P-012-251
BTK 4049

I hope this is not right as 3 of the above are aready in the 4 coach pack from the first release 2P-012-251 and was hoping that the next release 2P-012-252 would be the balance of the coaches for the first set, whats the point of going to the trouble of making coach sets if you do this?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on April 22, 2016, 03:05:35 PM
Actually Dapol don't have that many choices for sets from the coach variants they have produced to date. There are only two eight coach sets which match the models produced:

Set 469 BTK 4048-TK 2349-TK 2350-FK 7665-FK 7666-FK 7667-TK 2351-TBK 4049 (London - Worthing)
Set 470 BTK 4050-TK 2354-FK 7671-FK 7672-FK 7673-FK 7674-TK 2355-TBK 4051 (London - Eastbourne)

I am surprised Dapol have filled the pack with Thirds. These two sets were renowned for the number of first class seats in the trains. They were for well heeled commuters!

Other options of smaller packs will come when the four compartment third brakes and six compartment composite brakes are released. Then we can have West of England coach sets with individual BCKs and BTK-CK-BTK sets all splitting up at Exeter and beyond for all points west on the withered arm.

HTH
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 22, 2016, 03:22:38 PM
Quote from: nobby on April 21, 2016, 11:27:20 PM
according to kernow model centre the 6 coach pack 2P-012-252 contains

FK 7665         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2349
TK 2350         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2351
BTK 4048       already in 2P-012-251
BTK 4049

I hope this is not right as 3 of the above are aready in the 4 coach pack from the first release 2P-012-251 and was hoping that the next release 2P-012-252 would be the balance of the coaches for the first set, whats the point of going to the trouble of making coach sets if you do this?

Actually, it's quite a good set to produce, as it is the formation of set 469 post the removal of two of the FKs in 1933*. Just wish they'd done that in the first release to avoid the duplication which they now have... All they needed to produce separately is FKs 7666 (no) and 7667 (which they did in the previous -251 set) and the customer could augment the set to the original formation with 7667 between 2350 and 7665 and 7666 between 7665 and 2349.

* 469 - BTK 4068-TK 2351-TK 2350-FK 7665-TK 2349-BTK 4069 (according to the usual sources).
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on April 23, 2016, 08:53:00 AM
Having had another look through the list of the latest Maunsells, there is another blow to the Dapol reputation for accuracy - such that it is...

2P-012-103 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 780 [Loose]

The note has now been changed to [Did not exist].

Coach 780 was a Maunsell 'Continental' Corridor Third, a completely different beast:

Body 62' x 8' 6.5", and only had 7 compartments and a half-compartment coupe; there was a vestibule at each end of the vehicle and the doors to these opened inwards, but most vehicles had been altered to outward opening doors by the end of SR ownership.

Compartment side (of a 3rd Brake, but gives an idea of design differences):

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/jaa_3554.jpg (http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/jaa_3554.jpg)

Corridor side (of the same vehicle as above, completely different window layout):

http://www.imber.me.uk/SECR-3554.jpg (http://www.imber.me.uk/SECR-3554.jpg)

A little bit of research - like reading a copy of David Gould's Maunsell's SR Steam Stock - would have brough that to light.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 13, 2016, 03:30:40 PM
Hi Bob, I eager await (in BR SR Green though) the Maunsell four-compartment third brakes and six-compartment composite brakes suitable for services over the Withered Arm services. Any idea when the Maunsell  BCKs and BTKs will be released?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on May 13, 2016, 04:04:09 PM
Chris

Me too, and in the same livery (and in crimson and cream if they ever do those too).
I have no idea of availability but the EPs looked good so its just livery approval and then a production slot issue I guess.

With so many 4-compartment BTKs and 6-compartment BCKs needed, we might use up the entire production run between us :)

There was a time when we would have re-liveried the 6-compartment BTK and been very happy. Now there is something like an extra 1mm gap between the first and third compartments to show the firsts are larger compartments. wow.

Best
Bob

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 14, 2016, 01:03:45 PM
I need to make two BR SR Green 2P 2-Sets, (one will be 2P 981), formed of a Maunsell BSK [BTK] and a Maunsell BCK (of the appropriate type for local trains in North Cornwall).

Whilst I wait, I have treated myself, bought from Rails of Sheffield, a Bulleid 3-Coach Set BR (SR) Green 374-991 for £76.46. This is a cost-effective way (individual coaches are now close to £30) of adding some very nice BR SR Green Bulleid coaches to a fleet. (Kernow has them at the same price, I believe, as do Hatton's). What makes them special is that they have a 800 series Set No. on the outer ends. This is authentic for a BR SR 3L 3-Set (used in North Cornwall): BSK(Semi)+CK+BSK(Semi) (Bulleid), which often, at peak periods had a 'loose' Maunsell SK (8 Compart. All 3rd, Diag. 2001) [which I have, assuming I have correctly identified the Dapol model] added. These three / four will make a Penmayne portion of Waterloo services.

Eventually, I will create other sets with Set Numbers (transfers are available). I'm not sure whether GF will have fitted close-couplers within the set but that would be an obvious modification as would adding Concertina Gangway Connectors Bellows (available to buy). This may be a modelling project for this summer?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on May 14, 2016, 01:19:23 PM
The Bulleids have the same auto-adjust coupler mechanism as the Mark 1s have. They're fairly close on the straight and the gap increases as they go round curves...

The 800-series Bulleid sets - the Farish one is 830 - had two Bulleid SK's added in the summer, usually one either side of the CK, but it was known for the shunters to get lazy (or short of time) and bung them both in at one end...

Set 830 was introduced in 1950 as a 3-set (BTK 3971-CK 5848-BTK 3972) and would have been outshopped in Crimson/Cream livery, and attained BR(S) Green sometime after mid-1956. As noted above, it would run as a 3-set in the winter and then as a 5-set for the Summer timetable period. In November 1959, two SKs (114/115) were added to the set, in the correct manner, and this formation became permanent until set working was discontinued in March 1966. The individual coaches of set 830 were withdrawn on 5/66 (3971), 10/66 (3972) and 9/67 (5848). 114 and 115 got the dreaded 'X in a circle' marking in 11/67 and 9/67 respectively. One could model the set in its 3- and 5-coach formation with the Farish Bulleids as available (the 'temporary' Summer TKs were any two loose ones that could be found), but would need to overlook the fact that 114/115 were 'long-tank' SKs for the post-1959 permanent 5-coach formation.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on May 16, 2016, 04:22:00 PM
Not seen this mentioned here, but I was trawling through the Rails (of Sheffield) Dapol Coach pages and spotted these new additions available for pre-order:

2P-012-303   SR Maunsell Corridor 1st S7208S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-304   SR Maunsell Corridor 1st S7367S BR(S) Green [incorrect number - 7367 was an 'Continental' 1st]
2P-012-353   SR Maunsell Corridor Brake 2nd S4050S BR(S) Green [set 470]
2P-012-354   SR Maunsell Corridor Brake 2nd S4482S BR(S) Green [incorrect number - 4482 was a Boat train 2nd in SR days, renumbered 2773 in 1954 when downgraded to 3rd]
2P-012-402   SR Maunsell Corridor 2nd S810S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-403   SR Maunsell Corridor 2nd S823S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-453   SR Maunsell Corridor Composite S5150S BR(S) Green [set 448]
2P-012-454   SR Maunsell Corridor Composite S5149S BR(S) Green [set 447]
2P-012-503   SR PMY Brake Van S750S BR(S) Green
2P-012-504   SR PMY Brake Van S766S BR(S) Green

Looks like a new batch of BR(S) Green liveried Maunsells are imminent. New batch, same old mistakes...

[EDIT: My memory must be failing me, as I had already replied to Widnes Model Centre's post in the Dapol New Releases 2016/17 thread regarding this...  :doh: ]

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 16, 2016, 04:30:44 PM
Many thanks. Very sad that Dapol still can't get it right when the reference books are not hard to find.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on May 16, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on May 16, 2016, 04:30:44 PM
Many thanks. Very sad that Dapol still can't get it right when the reference books are not hard to find.

Or if they haven't got the books go cap-in-hand with their enquiries to the people that have been informing them of their previous inaccuracies...  ::)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 16, 2016, 10:17:31 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on May 16, 2016, 04:59:06 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on May 16, 2016, 04:30:44 PM
Many thanks. Very sad that Dapol still can't get it right when the reference books are not hard to find.

Or if they haven't got the books go cap-in-hand with their enquiries to the people that have been informing them of their previous inaccuracies...  ::)

Even sadder! 8-(((
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: longbow on September 25, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Update on the additional Maunsell coaches from yesterday's Dapol digest:

"Hi, I am just putting together the final decoration details. For the first run we shall be producing both Maunsell and BR(S) Green livery. The 3rd. brake will be offered in a 3-car set, (I do like the picture posted by Matt of a three car set no. 392 on the S & D), whilst the composite brake will be as a single. We hope to have decorated samples before the end of the year. Once approved and a production slot allocated they should be available during early second quarter 2017, and to round off this series some high window versions will be considered for the future"

Previously Dapol have previewed a 4 compartment brake 3rd and a 6 compartment brake composite and a 3 car set (2 x 4 Compartment brake 3rd and 1 x composite).

These new coaches should be preceded by early BR livery versions of the current range.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 26, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
That's very good news. I should, at last, be able to make up a 2P: BCK+BSK (Maunsell Brake Composite (Diagram 2401) + Maunsell 6-compartment Brake Third) (for my local trains in North Cornwall) in BR SR Green. Being able to make up another 2P in BR Crimson & Cream (I presume that is what is meant by early BR livery?) would be good, too.

Now, if only someone would make a Bulleid BCK!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 26, 2016, 08:04:07 PM
I would have thought that the two liveries that the BTK(4) and BCK will be released in would be the SR lined Olive Green and BR(S) Green. There are Crimson/Cream (aka 'Blood and Custard') versions of the original vehicles in the offing, but nothing has been said (yet) about putting the new brakes in that livery.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2016, 06:45:34 PM
Crimson cream versions of the current Maunsell low window stock has arrived in the Liverpool Emporium. My bank account has just been emptied for a rake of these.

The coach numbers of the Brake Third, Third and First class coaches are effectively the Victoria-Newhaven boat train. Slip an old Farish wooden Pullman in as a stand in for the Pullman coaches that they used to include in this train and there you have it.

Now where is my Worsley Works Booster Etch.   ???   Its got a proper train to pull now (or the black Schools class perhaps)

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 20, 2016, 10:24:57 PM
Thanks, Bob. I was not expecting the BR Crimson & Cream versions of the current Maunsell low window stock so soon. Now, I have to decide whether to buy just one pair or two! (I presume there will be pairs with different running numbers as with the BR Green ones?)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2016, 11:07:03 PM
Chris

Yes there are two of each type.

The brake thirds, thirds and firsts all ran in the Newhaven boat train as loose stock - no set numbers, so you can buy any number of them. The boat train was from five to twelve coaches in length. Jeff Eastmond on the Dapol Digest clarified how they ran: S4481 and S4482 were Brake Seconds for the Newhaven Boat service. They did become Brake Thirds in 1954 when they were downrated, but they were then renumbered (2772/73) and by then would have had the later version of the C/C livery with the narrower upper Crimson stripe. Underlined coach numbers are the ones produced. I've only done this on one of the rakes - because the thick crimson band modelled was used in that era. I am sure modellers will use them if they are modelling the early era, or even mixed with green stock as I do.
1948 - 1954     Stock selected from BSK-TK-SK-SK-FK-FK-PullF-FK-SK-SK-TK-BSK       4481   2352   4483   4484   7668   7669   Pullman 7670 4485 4486 2353 4482
1954 - 1956     Stock selected from BTK-TK-TK-TK-FK-FK-PullF-FK-TK-TK-TK-BTK           2772   2352   1921   1922   7668   7669   Pullman 7670 1923 1924 2353 2773


The two composites ran in the 3-car sets (set 392 and 397) with the awaited four compartment brake thirds. it seems Dapol are banking on these 3 car sets (which they are going to sell in 3-coach sets) and the BCKs which are to be sold singly as their Atlantic Coast Express (ACE) coaches to be sold with/for the new BB/WC.

Hope this helps
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 20, 2016, 11:13:36 PM
Thanks, Bob, for that quick and informative reply. If I understand correctly, then, none of these ones ran in the West Country but I should wait for the 3-coach sets and the BCKs which are to be sold singly as their Atlantic Coast Express (ACE) coaches rather than buy any of these individual coaches?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on October 21, 2016, 07:54:30 AM
Hi Chris

Yes, the two crimson and cream composites out currently are from 3-car sets which were used on Waterloo-West of England routes.
As far as I know, Dapol are going to bring out 3-car sets in SR olive and BR(S) green first, but probably only one set in each colour.

All I can be sure of is there is a ready market for Maunsell coaches on EBay, as I sold two six-compartment brakes in a flash, so if you bought the C/C CKs and then got them replicated in a set later, you could easily sell one on.

HTH
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 22, 2016, 10:49:23 AM
Many thanks, Bob, for your quick and informative reply. I'm aware of the following Maunsell 2P Sets in BR Crimson & Cream in North Cornwall, at Padstow: 22 and 27, early 1950s; 23 at Bodmin North, 1952 (1935 Brake Third S2792S plus Brake Composite S6575S); and 24?, 1950s. (Set 24 retained S238S and S6602S throughout. Survived until July 1964.) So, I have to decide whether to buy the two crimson and cream composites out currently (which are from 3-car sets which were used on Waterloo-West of England routes but, before my modelling period, I think) or to wait until the correct Maunsell Brake Thirds and Brake Composites are out for the West of England 2Ps (Sets 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, and 29) and ignore the Composites as I was not planning to model the Maunsell 3-car sets, just the Bulleid and BR Standard coach ones.      
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: longbow on March 20, 2017, 12:23:57 PM
Dapol have just confirmed that the new variants are not affected by recent project deferrals and are due this summer.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on March 20, 2017, 12:33:20 PM
I had hoped for this news, but did not dare ask.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on March 20, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
That is something although I am still sad I won't be getting a Light Pacific to haul them. Looks like my Standard 5 will be pulling them instead.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 20, 2017, 12:49:47 PM
That's excellent news, many thanks. I presume that means that the missing BR SR Green Maunsell Brake Composites to make up my 2 North Cornwall 2Ps will be coming. They will look fine behind my Graham Farish Bulleid Light Pacifics, my Graham Farish 'N' 2-6-0, my Dapol M7 (substituting for the lack of an RTR 02) or, prototypically, one of my Dapol Ivatt 2-6-2Ts or my Graham Farish 3MT 2-6-2T or one of my Graham Farish 4MT 2-6-4Ts. 8-)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on March 20, 2017, 01:29:30 PM
I could feel something  was not quite perfect with Dapol (good pun there eh?) all last year and I was really pleased the 33s made it.

And now I will be encouraged to build the six Bullied pattern bogies I bought from N Brass Locos for my Bachmann Farish BBs and my Bachmann Farish MN rebuilts.

I just hope that Dapol get the right set numbers etc and issue individual coaches as well as sets. I do love these Maunsells.

Bob

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on March 20, 2017, 01:37:03 PM
Good news the Maunsell BCK is still in the production line. Cant wait to get mine.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 20, 2017, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 20, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
That is something although I am still sad I won't be getting a Light Pacific to haul them. Looks like my Standard 5 will be pulling them instead.

Well until you get a spam can why not a mogul or Schools, or if you have them S15 or N15, T9 is good too, all real Southern stuff, not any of Buleid's fancy looking  :censored:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on March 20, 2017, 04:04:35 PM
I really like the look of the air-smoothed Pacifics, they are so distinctive and unlike anything else. My pre-order was for an original one rather than a rebuild for this very reason. After rebuilding, they look more like a Brit than a Bulleid.  :P

There are plenty of other locos I could get but I have a Standard 5 and a 3MT already so these will do. Given the choice, I would have preferred a Light Pacific and an O2 but it looks like these are not to be (not in the foreseeable future at any rate).

If I were really keen, other options exist as you say. IIRC Noel Leaver has written an article about improving the old Farish versions. I still might pick up a Farish Merchant Navy if I spot a bargain one day but probably not while they remain at full price.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: leachsprite4 on March 20, 2017, 10:44:00 PM
Good news indeed, they'll look nice as a set with my n class.
Graham
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 22, 2017, 03:26:19 PM
The following may be of interested re: Maunsell sets.

2-Sets 'P' (2Ps) in SR Western District

In 1948, eight 2-sets 'R' (22-29) were formed, low-window BCKs 6567/6569/6575 (in sets 29/28/23 respectively) being included with other high-window BCKs and Third Brakes. By 1959 they had been demoted to 2-sets 'P' and were on local services in the Western District, mainly on the Bude and Padstow branches [my interest].

In 1958, BCK 6570 and SKs 823/824/827 were included with various high-window vehicles in two new 6-sets for the Western District, 340/341. The BCK was replaced by a high-window version in 1959 at the same time as SKs 810/829 replaced high-window CKs. The SKs remained until the sets were withdrawn in 1961, all of them being condemned.

The remaining 3-sets were withdrawn in 1961, along with the remains of set 469; the 2-sets 22-29/100-10 were 'withdrawn' in 1962, being part of the 'dowry', along with several loose BCKs (one of which was low-window 6569), of the turning over of the lines west of Wilton to the Western Region. The WR immediately painted out the set numbers and changed the coach number prefixes to 'W'.

The Maunsell BSK (diagram 2113) + BCK (diagram 2401) 2-Sets transferred intact to the WR w/e 29/12/1962 were:

4240         28       2113
6643         28       2401

2838         31       2113
6662         31       2401

2837         179      2113
6673         179      2401

2778         196      2113
6667         196      2401

6595         198      2401
4245         198      2113

4246         199      2113
6604         199      2401

I do not refer to these sets as "P" because these was only an allocation reference note. in some years they were shown as notes "R" along with the Bulleid BSK + BCK 2-Sets.

A lot of the information I have quoted was not available to David Gould at the time, hence it is not in his books.

All the best,

Glen Woods

Hello Andy,

4240 to Set 28 Week ending 11/12/62
4245 to Set 198  Week ending 11/12/62
4246 to Set 199  Week ending 11/12/62

Information from the Eastleigh Rolling Stock Office (RSO) "Set Change Records" 1/1/1958 to 31/12/1962.

All the best,
Glen

Hello Andy,

The Maunsell BSK (diagram 2113) + BCK (diagram 401) 2-Sets transferred intact to the WR w/e 29/12/1962 were:

4240         28       2113
6643         28       2401

2838         31       2113
6662         31       2401

2837         179      2113
6673         179      2401

2778         196      2113
6667         196      2401

6595         198      2401
4245         198      2113

4246         199      2113
6604         199      2401

I do not refer to these sets as "P" because this was only an allocation reference note. In some years they were shown as notes "R" along with the Bulleid BSK + BCK 2-Sets [what I call Rs.].

A lot of the information I have quoted was not available to David Gould at the time, hence it is not in his books.

Hello Andy,

4240 to Set 28 Week ending 11/12/62
4245 to Set 198  Week ending 11/12/62
4246 to Set 199  Week ending 11/12/62

Information from the Eastleigh Rolling Stock

Office (RSO) "Set Change Records" 1/1/1958 to

31/12/1962.

Glen Woods

SEMG 13 06 2016
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 20, 2017, 06:15:57 PM
I see that Hattons are stocking a new batch of Dapol Maunsell coaches in various liveries. However, are these just existing designs with new running numbers, as I think, please?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2017, 06:50:56 PM
2 Weeks ago Dapol Digest said "Artwork is now being produced" for the 4 comp brake thirds and 6 comp BCKs, they will be selling 3 sets (39x series) and 3rd brakes to make 3 sets with the existing compos, Certainly taking their time.

The ones currently at Hattons and Rails are more of the original release
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 20, 2017, 08:04:04 PM
Many thanks, Mike. The wait continues then for the BCKs. A BR Crimson & Cream BTK tempts me, now, though.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2017, 09:25:58 PM
The crimson cream BTK, TK and FKs are all loose stock for the Newhaven boat train, as hauled by their black Schools class.

The crimson cream CKs are from 3 car sets in the ACE trains and we wait for the four compartment BTK brakes and six compartment BCKs to finish it off.

HTH
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2017, 09:43:48 PM
We also need some catering vehicles and open 3rds, probably best bet for restaurant car is the Worsley Works Ironclad, listed currently as a 2mm kit, but Alan will usually rescale  for N gauge, he also does the Maunsell open 3rd. Think thet would probably fit on the Dapol chassis.

I've mananged a reasonable hack of  Farish generic corridor coach into an open 3rd, did try to do a Maunsell Restaurant, but the recessed doors are awkward to say the least, hence suggesting the ironclad. Ironclad restaurant cars did run in Maunsell sets.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2017, 09:58:03 PM
Indeed
But how lucky we are to have the current Maunsells, given Dapol has cut short other SR offerings.
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
In fact the only RTR pre nationalisation catering vehicle in British N gauge is the Gresley buffet, which thankfully also ran on SR and WR metals in 1950s and 60s. Doesn't help LMS, GWR or SR modellers, though.

Cost of production is always cited as reason why they are not made.

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 21, 2017, 06:40:35 AM
Thanks, Bob and Mike. Very useful information, as always.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 21, 2017, 10:59:09 AM
I recall a presentation by Dapol's George Smith at an NGS AGM about 15(?*) years ago when he promised Maunsells, when queried about catering vehicles for grouping era he said there would be limited demand because there would only be one restaurant car in a train and further that not every train had a catering vehicle whereas for example there has to be at least one brake in every train, thus it was not really economically viable to produce catering vehicles for the "big 4".

BR era was probably a bit different because coaches were common to the whole country.

Maybe when Alan of Etched Pixels is back in production we could ask him about the possibility of SR catering vehicles, or maybe one of the 3D printers could produce something. As I mentioned in an earlier post the Maunsell restaurant has recessed doors which may be easier to do in 3D than brass

(* Can't remember the exact year but it was when Dapol first entered the N gauge scene)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on July 21, 2017, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: Bob G on July 20, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
In fact the only RTR pre nationalisation catering vehicle in British N gauge is the Gresley buffet, which thankfully also ran on SR and WR metals in 1950s and 60s. Doesn't help LMS, GWR or SR modellers, though.

Cost of production is always cited as reason why they are not made.

Cost boils down to a couple of related issues. Catering cars were usually only 1 per trains (although there were exceptions such as twin or even triplet sets which might include a kitchen car plus one or two dining cars). George Smith was right to point out that every steam train needs at least 1 brake coach but not every train needed a catering vehicle.

Another problem is the variety of catering vehicles produced. There were buffet cars, griddle cars, kitchen cars and dining cars. Most were produced in small numbers, often 10 or less in many cases making it hard for manufacturers to choose a single vehicle to model.

Bernie at TPM did offer kits to convert the Dapol B-set into the GWR H38, H39 and H40 catering vehicles and they work quite nicely but I am not sure if they are currently in production. Here is one I made earlier. ;)

(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_07_2017/post-887-0-90837000-1500633944_thumb.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 21, 2017, 01:03:42 PM
A further problem is that BR rebuilt some pre-BR catering coaches as cafeteria or buffet cars. I believe this happened to some Maunsell design coaches, too, and I think these lasted into the 1960s. (I don't have my books, here.) The Bulleid Restaurant Kichen Buffet twins were, of course, rebuilt by BR SR quite quickly. One pair did work beyond Exeter on Summer Saturdays, although they may not have been staffed in North Cornwall. One holiday I must construct my pair.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 23, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
I emailed Paul at Peedie models re Restaurant cars and open 3rds, this is part of his reply

QuoteThis sounds an interesting project, as I can see it could be made using brass etch for the coach sides and then 3D printed masters for making the moulds to cast the roof and end sections.  If we use a 3D printed roof we could find that over time it may warp causing it to come away from the ends of the carriage.  The interior could also be cast from resin using a 3D printed master as this would keep the cost down.

He says he has a few other projects ongoing at the moment and it will be a few weeks before he can do much on this, in the meantime he would be interested to know how much interest there might be for these vehicles i.e. Maunsell Restaurant cars and Maunsell open 3rds.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 24, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 23, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
I emailed Paul at Peedie models re Restaurant cars and open 3rds, this is part of his reply

QuoteThis sounds an interesting project, as I can see it could be made using brass etch for the coach sides and then 3D printed masters for making the moulds to cast the roof and end sections.  If we use a 3D printed roof we could find that over time it may warp causing it to come away from the ends of the carriage.  The interior could also be cast from resin using a 3D printed master as this would keep the cost down.

He says he has a few other projects ongoing at the moment and it will be a few weeks before he can do much on this, in the meantime he would be interested to know how much interest there might be for these vehicles i.e. Maunsell Restaurant cars and Maunsell open 3rds.
Thank you, Mike. Both coaches sound very interesting but I am not sure whether either would have ever appeared in North Cornwall in the 1960s?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 24, 2017, 10:10:02 AM
Chris, probably the open 3rds, often used as strengtheners when an extra coach was needed at busy times.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 24, 2017, 12:10:25 PM
Thanks, Mike. Then that's the one for me.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: nobby on July 25, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
would be interesting to see if Dapol intend to do any box sets with locos for this range ,  a schools class set with maunsell coaches , i remember talking to someone on there stand about doing a schools in southern black livery   i just hate the habit of the random things turning up or not as the case maybe these extra coaches in the maunsell range that people are waiting for. have been waiting for art samples for a least 12 months and yet these will be properly be the best sellers in the range because of the numbers needed.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 02:06:03 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on July 23, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
I emailed Paul at Peedie models re Restaurant cars and open 3rds, this is part of his reply

QuoteThis sounds an interesting project, as I can see it could be made using brass etch for the coach sides and then 3D printed masters for making the moulds to cast the roof and end sections.  If we use a 3D printed roof we could find that over time it may warp causing it to come away from the ends of the carriage.  The interior could also be cast from resin using a 3D printed master as this would keep the cost down.

He says he has a few other projects ongoing at the moment and it will be a few weeks before he can do much on this, in the meantime he would be interested to know how much interest there might be for these vehicles i.e. Maunsell Restaurant cars and Maunsell open 3rds.

A bit of interest from this quarter...

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on August 30, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
I would be interested if I knew what services the restaurant cars ran on and what period? I model early and mostly late crest. Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 02:13:58 PM
Quote from: nobby on July 25, 2017, 08:40:20 AM
would be interesting to see if Dapol intend to do any box sets with locos for this range ,  a schools class set with maunsell coaches , i remember talking to someone on there stand about doing a schools in southern black livery   i just hate the habit of the random things turning up or not as the case maybe these extra coaches in the maunsell range that people are waiting for. have been waiting for art samples for a least 12 months and yet these will be properly be the best sellers in the range because of the numbers needed.

There has been some movement on this topic over at the Dapol Forum, there have been a couple of other projects that have taken a bit more time than they expected, but they are back on the case. They are expecting the livery samples for the 4-cpt BTK and BCK soon, and look to get things moving so that the production batches arrive just before Christmas.

They are proposing to produce a couple of individual BTK(4) vehicles with running numbers that match one of the existing CK vehicle; a full 3-set in a box; and a BCK, for each of the three existing liveries, viz: lined Olive Green, BR Crimson/Cream and BR(S) Green.

There is a full list of product numbers and running numbers but I won't publish here as it's not fully confirmed - indeed, my feedback has prompted them to change the proposed running number of the BR(S) Green BCK to one of the ones that ran in a 2P-set...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
Quote from: Bob G on August 30, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
I would be interested if I knew what services the restaurant cars ran on and what period? I model early and mostly late crest. Bob

In their original livery and condition (they were much-modified after the war): Waterloo-Bournemouth-Weymouth and Waterloo-Salisbury-Exeter.

After the war, they were mainly converted to Buffet/Griddle cars so would appear on virtually any train on the SW section which needed a catering vehicle...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on August 30, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Great
That's better than countless RMBs.
I think even I can spray green.
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
Quote from: Bob G on August 30, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Great
That's better than countless RMBs.
I think even I can spray green.
Bob

:smiley-laughing:

One thing about BR(S) Green - no fiddly lining...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Many thanks for this news. I've been waiting to complete my two 2P sets. If the production batches arrive just before Christmas, then my Christmas presents list is done! 8-)

I think the BTK(4) vehicles are not the type that ran in North Cornwall? I'll buy a full 3-set in a box, especially if it is a North Cornwall set; plus two BCKs in BR(S) Green to go with my existing two BTKs.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on August 30, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Many thanks for this news. I've been waiting to complete my two 2P sets. If the production batches arrive just before Christmas, then my Christmas presents list is done! 8-)

I think the BTK(4) vehicles are not the type that ran in North Cornwall? I'll buy a full 3-set in a box, especially if it is a North Cornwall set; plus two BCKs in BR(S) Green to go with my existing two BTKs.

I believe they only worked to Plymouth or Ilfacombe on West of England service.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Mark on August 30, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 02:13:58 PM
There is a full list of product numbers and running numbers but I won't publish here as it's not fully confirmed - indeed, my feedback has prompted them to change the proposed running number of the BR(S) Green BCK to one of the ones that ran in a 2P-set...

Thanks Talisman56 - that info on the Dapol site is really useful.

Mark
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on August 30, 2017, 05:14:11 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2017, 03:09:00 PM
Many thanks for this news. I've been waiting to complete my two 2P sets. If the production batches arrive just before Christmas, then my Christmas presents list is done! 8-)

I think the BTK(4) vehicles are not the type that ran in North Cornwall? I'll buy a full 3-set in a box, especially if it is a North Cornwall set; plus two BCKs in BR(S) Green to go with my existing two BTKs.

The BTK(4)s are the ones that were used in the 390-99/445-48 sets, some of which were diagrammed for West of England services (which, with a little Rule One-ery could include North Cornwall) post-war. The full sets will be from the 390-99 series. The individual BTK(4)s being produced will have running numbers that will match one of the existing CKs so that another set can be made up by purchasing the BTK(4)s and using the CK that is already available (you have got them all, haven't you? :) )

'Other' BTK(4)s were the high-window variety, and could be found loose and in sets that were more regular visitors to the 'Withered Arm'.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
Many thanks. As always, that is very useful. Yes, I bought both original pairs of BR SR Green Maunsell BSK and CK coaches. 8-)

By the late 1950s, the Maunsell coaches were largely confined to local services in North Cornwall having been, largely, replaced by Bulleid ones on Waterloo services so I'm, really, only interested in the paired coach sets. However, a 'loose' one will, indeed, be useful.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
I should add, here, my understanding of the sets I'm modelling:

NORTH CORNWALL COACH SETS

2P Maunsell
BSK+BCK

2R Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+BCK

3L Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+CK+BSK (Semi)

4S BR Standard
BSK+SK+CK+BSK

5H Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+SK+CK+SK+BSK (Semi)

6B BR Standard with Maunsell RB
BSK+TSO+RB+TSO+CK+BSK

SK Maunsell 'loose'

I do hope someone will produce a Maunsell RB (as rebuilt by BR SR), even as a set of coach sides, if not a 3D print.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 24, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
The problem with sides for the Maunsell restaqurant is the recessed doors, don't know if the BR rebuild involved replacing these with flush doors. I model 1930s so I can use the Ironclad restaurant, Worsley works do etched sides for these.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 24, 2017, 12:41:15 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 24, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
The problem with sides for the Maunsell restaqurant is the recessed doors, don't know if the BR rebuild involved replacing these with flush doors. I model 1930s so I can use the Ironclad restaurant, Worsley works do etched sides for these.

From the looks of the one the Bluebell acquired, the BR rebuilding left the exterior profile relatively untouched...

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/7864.html (http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/7864.html)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on September 24, 2017, 01:50:46 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 09:51:05 AM
I should add, here, my understanding of the sets I'm modelling:

NORTH CORNWALL COACH SETS

2P Maunsell
BSK+BCK

2R Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+BCK

3L Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+CK+BSK (Semi)

4S BR Standard
BSK+SK+CK+BSK

5H Bulleid
BSK (Semi)+SK+CK+SK+BSK (Semi)

6B BR Standard with Maunsell RB
BSK+TSO+RB+TSO+CK+BSK

SK Maunsell 'loose'

I do hope someone will produce a Maunsell RB (as rebuilt by BR SR), even as a set of coach sides, if not a 3D print.

I thought the 4S sets only worked on Plymouth workings. The could easily has worked the North Cornwall when the SK was removed becoming 3K sets.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
Thanks for this, Talisman. I wonder if anyone has diagrams of the BR SR rebuilt Maunsell design RB cars? If so, would a 3D print be possible?

You're probably right, Dodger, but I have seen photos. of what look like 4S sets at Torrington right at the end of steam and I'm using 'Rule One' to have them running in North Cornwall, too, at the same time period.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 25, 2017, 01:16:36 PM
As I doubt whether anyone will produce RTR Southern Railway or BR SR rebuild catering cars in RTR format to run with the Maunsell and Bulleid design passenger stock, I'm wondering if 3D printing of the Maunsell design catering cars might be economic? (I'm interested in a BR SR rebuilt Maunsell design RB car. But the original SR version might well be popular, too?)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on September 25, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
Thanks for this, Talisman. I wonder if anyone has diagrams of the BR SR rebuilt Maunsell design RB cars? If so, would a 3D print be possible?

You're probably right, Dodger, but I have seen photos. of what look like 4S sets at Torrington right at the end of steam and I'm using 'Rule One' to have them running in North Cornwall, too, at the same time period.
Apart from a few 4S sets that remained as long sets, 6 coaches or more, for buffet portions or cross country workings the SK was removed in 1963/4. It is of course possible that temporary formations were made after this.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 25, 2017, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: dodger on September 25, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
Thanks for this, Talisman. I wonder if anyone has diagrams of the BR SR rebuilt Maunsell design RB cars? If so, would a 3D print be possible?

You're probably right, Dodger, but I have seen photos. of what look like 4S sets at Torrington right at the end of steam and I'm using 'Rule One' to have them running in North Cornwall, too, at the same time period.
Apart from a few 4S sets that remained as long sets, 6 coaches or more, for buffet portions or cross country workings the SK was removed in 1963/4. It is of course possible that temporary formations were made after this.

Dodger

Thank you, Dodger. I think the BR Standard sets photographed at Torrington at the end of steam may well have been three-coach sets then. That would suit me.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on September 27, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
Hello Chris,

Bill Bedford did the Manusell Buffet Sides.

I bought one years ago as a "retirement" project, which now I guess I would now modify a Dapol Maunsell Coach to do.

I'm not sure what his current range but you might be able to contact him and ask him if he can do one. Possibly worth getting a second open to go with it?

Quote from: dodger on September 25, 2017, 02:17:54 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2017, 02:52:17 PM
Thanks for this, Talisman. I wonder if anyone has diagrams of the BR SR rebuilt Maunsell design RB cars? If so, would a 3D print be possible?

You're probably right, Dodger, but I have seen photos. of what look like 4S sets at Torrington right at the end of steam and I'm using 'Rule One' to have them running in North Cornwall, too, at the same time period.
Apart from a few 4S sets that remained as long sets, 6 coaches or more, for buffet portions or cross country workings the SK was removed in 1963/4. It is of course possible that temporary formations were made after this.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Quote from: PaulinSouthMidlands on September 27, 2017, 08:43:39 PM
Hello Chris,

Bill Bedford did the Manusell Buffet Sides.

I bought one years ago as a "retirement" project, which now I guess I would now modify a Dapol Maunsell Coach to do.

I'm not sure what his current range but you might be able to contact him and ask him if he can do one. Possibly worth getting a second open to go with it?


Many thanks, Paul. I did not know that. Yes, converting a pair of Dapol Maunsell coaches would be the way to go. Unfortunately, they don't seem to come up secondhand on eBay!

Best wishes,
Chris
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
The company is now: http://www.mousa.biz/ (http://www.mousa.biz/)

No mention of 2MM though.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Are Dapol ever likely to produce the Maunsell coaches in Southern Railway Bulleid green livery ?

I ask the question because I'm tempted to by a Schools class loco in this livery and I would like to have some coaches in matching livery.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on November 28, 2017, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Are Dapol ever likely to produce the Maunsell coaches in Southern Railway Bulleid green livery ?

I ask the question because I'm tempted to by a Schools class loco in this livery and I would like to have some coaches in matching livery.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe

IMO, they already do - their 'BR(S) Green' is more SR Malachite than the proper darker green that Farish put on their BR(S) Bulleids and Mark 1s...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on November 28, 2017, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Are Dapol ever likely to produce the Maunsell coaches in Southern Railway Bulleid green livery ?

I ask the question because I'm tempted to by a Schools class loco in this livery and I would like to have some coaches in matching livery.

IMO, they already do - their 'BR(S) Green' is more SR Malachite than the proper darker green that Farish put on their BR(S) Bulleids and Mark 1s...

Does it match the green on the SR Schools locos ?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on November 28, 2017, 09:53:14 AM
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Are Dapol ever likely to produce the Maunsell coaches in Southern Railway Bulleid green livery ?

I ask the question because I'm tempted to by a Schools class loco in this livery and I would like to have some coaches in matching livery.

I don't know. There is no reason why they could not but Dapol sometimes seem to miss out obvious liveries. For example, their B-sets and Auto-coaches have never been released in early BR Crimson despite this being the standard livery for much of the 1950s. I ended up repainting mine since Dapol seemed unlikely to bother.

Malachite is a single colour livery so repainting should not be too hard if Dapol do not release it.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: longbow on November 28, 2017, 10:23:54 AM
Latest Dapol guidance post Warley is that the new Maunsell coaches are due 1Q 2018.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on November 28, 2017, 02:17:14 PM
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:34:21 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on November 28, 2017, 08:28:23 AM
Quote from: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:06:10 AM
Are Dapol ever likely to produce the Maunsell coaches in Southern Railway Bulleid green livery ?

I ask the question because I'm tempted to by a Schools class loco in this livery and I would like to have some coaches in matching livery.

IMO, they already do - their 'BR(S) Green' is more SR Malachite than the proper darker green that Farish put on their BR(S) Bulleids and Mark 1s...

Does it match the green on the SR Schools locos ?

It is a bit darker than the Malachite on the NQP M7 I bought at the recent Open Day, and I think that is too light a shade (I got the M7 for conversion to a long-frame PnP version and repaint to lined BR Black) - if they've used the same colour on the Schools (not a certainty when it comes to Dapol), then you may be out of luck.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 03:57:07 PM
I do hope, you will show us how you did "the M7 for conversion to a long-frame PnP version and repaint to lined BR Black"? As I'd like one, too.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on November 28, 2017, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 03:57:07 PM
I do hope, you will show us how you did "the M7 for conversion to a long-frame PnP version and repaint to lined BR Black"? As I'd like one, too.

DorsetMike is the expert on that particular topic, and he helpfully PM'd me a link to his 'How I Did...' topic. I'm sure he won't mind me posting the link here...

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=31262.msg356235#msg356235 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=31262.msg356235#msg356235)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 28, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
You'll have to do your own BR black stuff, mine are Maunsell Green.

Tip on the long frame p/p version use as much metal as you can, bits of brass rod for the reservoir and other tanks, bit of metal under the front end to support the lengthened bit (I used thin lead sheet) , a thin piece of metal on the cab floor to balance the bit on the front,

Helps them pull more, like this, 11 Dapol Maunsells, the track is Kato on a 4'x2' board (I did the mods on the  early M7s  back in 2006)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s23ryqnij2whacj/M7%2B11fwds.mp4?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/s23ryqnij2whacj/M7%2B11fwds.mp4?dl=0)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 05:35:56 PM
Many thanks, Mike, highly impressive.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: joe cassidy on December 10, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Looking at the headlines on the Dapol website it seems that they have received decoration samples for the Maunsells in Maunsell green, Malachite and Blood & Custard liveries.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on December 10, 2017, 05:43:23 PM
Quote from: joe cassidy on December 10, 2017, 12:03:31 PM
Looking at the headlines on the Dapol website it seems that they have received decoration samples for the Maunsells in Maunsell green, Malachite and Blood & Custard liveries.

Best regards,


Joe

The 'Malachite' is Dapol's version of BR(S) Green - it's too light for that, and too dark for proper Malachite...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on December 10, 2017, 07:08:56 PM
A very good reason to model pre 1938, no malachite, yukk 'orrid garish colour.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on December 11, 2017, 05:16:17 PM
Hattons are taking pre-orders for the new batch of Dapol Maunsells.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Safety Engineer on December 16, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but,

I have considered pre-ordering the three coach Maunsell pack for set 392 in BR Green 2P-012-551 from Hattons. However their description states Set 392 comprising Brake third, Compartment Third and Compartment Third. According to the SEMG website set 392 comprised four compartment brake thirds 3218, 3219 and composite 5141. (Note wording for the Olive and Crimson/Cream versions are similar).

I seem to remember that Dapol were going to produce an "authentic" set so I assume the Hatton's descriptions are in error? Before I go ahead and order it would be nice to know what exactly set 392 comprises.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on December 16, 2017, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on December 16, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but,

I have considered pre-ordering the three coach Maunsell pack for set 392 in BR Green 2P-012-551 from Hattons. However their description states Set 392 comprising Brake third, Compartment Third and Compartment Third. According to the SEMG website set 392 comprised four compartment brake thirds 3218, 3219 and composite 5141. (Note wording for the Olive and Crimson/Cream versions are similar).

I seem to remember that Dapol were going to produce an "authentic" set so I assume the Hatton's descriptions are in error? Before I go ahead and order it would be nice to know what exactly set 392 comprises.

Martin

Bearing in mind all the discussion on set formations and compositions on the Dapol forum, I would say that Hattons have dropped one in their descriptions. I wouldn't think that Dapol would shoot themselves in the foot by not producing the boxed sets that they have committed themselves to on their own Forum...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on January 09, 2018, 06:07:20 PM
Not long to wait now  :bounce:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on January 15, 2018, 05:47:05 PM
The Dapol advert in British Railway Modelling confirms two brake thirds and a compo

Quote from: talisman56 on December 16, 2017, 08:20:45 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on December 16, 2017, 07:32:26 PM
Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but,

I have considered pre-ordering the three coach Maunsell pack for set 392 in BR Green 2P-012-551 from Hattons. However their description states Set 392 comprising Brake third, Compartment Third and Compartment Third. According to the SEMG website set 392 comprised four compartment brake thirds 3218, 3219 and composite 5141. (Note wording for the Olive and Crimson/Cream versions are similar).

I seem to remember that Dapol were going to produce an "authentic" set so I assume the Hatton's descriptions are in error? Before I go ahead and order it would be nice to know what exactly set 392 comprises.

Martin

Bearing in mind all the discussion on set formations and compositions on the Dapol forum, I would say that Hattons have dropped one in their descriptions. I wouldn't think that Dapol would shoot themselves in the foot by not producing the boxed sets that they have committed themselves to on their own Forum...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on January 15, 2018, 06:06:47 PM
Dapol Collectors Club magazine has pictures of the painted EPs (sans bogies) and gives an 'expected date' of end of Q1 2018.

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: leachsprite4 on January 15, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
The question is is that calendar year q1 (March) or financial year so (June)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: longbow on January 15, 2018, 07:47:39 PM
No doubt they are talking calendar years - the coaches appear in Dapol's January releases ad which would be consistent with a Jan-Mar appearance. 
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on January 26, 2018, 06:16:12 PM
Not long to go now! The Dapol advert in the latest N Gauge Journal shows the BCK and 4 compartment BSK as January/February releases. The picture however show the 4 compartment BSK without bogies!!!!!!

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: leachsprite4 on February 01, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
I don't like to bring bad news but dapol website development page says end of Q2 for these. Which is frustrating but all in good time.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Safety Engineer on February 02, 2018, 12:14:38 AM
The individual coaches have disappeared from the Hatton's web site although the three coach sets are still there.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 02, 2018, 07:20:03 AM
Thanks. So we'll have to wait a couple of months more, then. Seems like an unexpected delay in production and / or shipping them.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: leachsprite4 on February 02, 2018, 07:36:55 AM
Hmm maybe not unexpected as decorated samples were only seen late last year so add in Christmas shut down here and Chinese New year there plus shipping, it's probably more realistic.
I hope the website is wrong and they are sooner.
Graham
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: nobby on February 02, 2018, 09:09:17 AM
not to worry gives me till the summer at least to save for them , anything like the repaint hst sets that were advertised as June last year for release and still waiting , with a lot of these things now i just wait till my local shop rings me to tell me they are in, and regarding these coaches , its nice they are doing the triple pack, but why not put the 4 comp brakes in a box set of 2 knowing that you need 2 to go with the ck coaches already released with the set numbers on the coaches and reference the ck coach to go with it , they could released up to 4 sets even if not all at once ?, logic goes out the window,
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 03, 2018, 12:54:04 PM
Just for your future reference...  :)

SR lined Olive Green: Cat 2P-012-055 BTK(4) 3215 and 2P-012-056 BTK(4) 3216 go with 2P-012-151 CK 5138
BR Crimson/Cream: Cat 2P-012-653 BTK(4) 3226 and 2P-012-654 BTK(4) 3231 go with 2P-012-752 CK 5142
BR(S) Green: Cat 2P-012-355 BTK(4) 3220 and 2P-012-356 BTK(4) 3221 go with 2P-012-451 CK 5137

The CK is oriented so that the 1st Class end goes next to the lower-numbered BTK(4).

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2018, 03:30:46 PM
Thanks, Talisman. However, I want to make 2P 'local' sets of BSK+BCK in BR SR Green or, perhaps, BR Crimson & Cream, not 3 sets.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: nobby on February 03, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
hopefully dapol will do the bsk and sk coaches ,as they would be helpful and dont require any other tooling as they can use the btk and tk tooling i believe, and these could be added to make 2p sets and the newhaven boat train stock of which dapol has already done some coaches for , but we shall see
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Southernboy on February 03, 2018, 05:50:31 PM
I'm very excited about the 4-comp brakes. They're quite distinctive and will really add character to a set. I'll probabably get a couple of them for my mainline summer hoiliday express trains :)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on February 03, 2018, 09:00:34 PM
That reference is to Q2-2017. It has been there since their website was revamped a year or two ago.

The pics without bogies are the decorated samples which were on display at Warley in November last year. As the corridor connectors and bogies are identical to those on the existing range there wouldnt have been much point in putting them on the decorated samples

Quote from: leachsprite4 on February 01, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
I don't like to bring bad news but dapol website development page says end of Q2 for these. Which is frustrating but all in good time.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on February 03, 2018, 09:02:17 PM
That will have to wait until if and when they produce high window versions

Quote from: nobby on February 03, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
hopefully dapol will do the bsk and sk coaches ,as they would be helpful and dont require any other tooling as they can use the btk and tk tooling i believe, and these could be added to make 2p sets and the newhaven boat train stock of which dapol has already done some coaches for , but we shall see
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on February 03, 2018, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: nobby on February 03, 2018, 03:48:43 PM
hopefully dapol will do the bsk and sk coaches ,as they would be helpful and dont require any other tooling as they can use the btk and tk tooling i believe, and these could be added to make 2p sets and the newhaven boat train stock of which dapol has already done some coaches for , but we shall see

You can already have BSK and SK, just use the existing low-window stock BTK and TK. You can add the '2's required to the doors on the Crimson/Cream stock, on the Olive Green coaches you would need a magnifying glass to distinguish the class names on the doors. By the time BR(S) Green came in, Third Class had been reclassified Second Class.

Most of the stock in the 2P sets were later high-window vehicles. Only sets 28 and 29 had low-window BCKs.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 26, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
Response to Email query re due date received this morning

Quotedue within the next few weeks

Comment re adverts

QuoteThe problem with adverts is that they have to be submitted Sometime in advance and things can happen
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: BrakeCoach on March 01, 2018, 09:19:04 AM
Just asking, but when are maunsell coaches of these type will be released or are they released?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCoF-nrXUAAEHKv.jpg)
(sorry if the image does not work and u needed to copy/paste the link again)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 01, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
The Dapol 4 compartment Brake thirds and 39x series 3 coach sets  are due "in the next few weeks (see my post  above) some other Maunsell coaches are still available from a previous issue

https://www.dapol.co.uk/shop/n-gauge/coaches-amp-carriages/maunsell-coaches (https://www.dapol.co.uk/shop/n-gauge/coaches-amp-carriages/maunsell-coaches)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on March 01, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: funnysunny365 on March 01, 2018, 09:19:04 AM
Just asking, but when are maunsell coaches of these type will be released or are they released?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCoF-nrXUAAEHKv.jpg)
(sorry if the image does not work and u needed to copy/paste the link again)

If you're referring to high-window stock, then not any time soon. For the existing low-window versions, see Dorsetmike's answer.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Safety Engineer on March 01, 2018, 06:56:31 PM
Hi,

The Spring edition of BRM says March release (does'nt say which March however?).

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: PaulinSouthMidlands on March 04, 2018, 10:43:46 AM
They will be available as soon as you are brave enough to get the Needle File out.....


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1593853030711583&id=1427507090679512



Quote from: funnysunny365 on March 01, 2018, 09:19:04 AM
Just asking, but when are maunsell coaches of these type will be released or are they released?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCoF-nrXUAAEHKv.jpg)
(sorry if the image does not work and u needed to copy/paste the link again)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 12, 2018, 03:36:07 PM
I see Rails of Sheffield are listing them as "Coming soon"  & "Pre order"

3 sets at £70.13 as against RRP of £82.50, single items £24.23 against RRP £28.50 Brake 3rds, Brake compo,  looks like all available in SR lined green, BR(S) crimson & cream or BR(S) green
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on March 12, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
Considering the forthcoming Farish birdcages have an RRP of £149.99 for a trio, that 3-set looks like a positive bargain!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on March 12, 2018, 04:32:16 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on March 12, 2018, 04:04:01 PM
Considering the forthcoming Farish birdcages have an RRP of £149.99 for a trio, that 3-set looks like a positive bargain!

£50 a coach?!?!?!?! I think I may have to rethink my spending plans...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on March 12, 2018, 06:22:16 PM
They are also listed on Hattons Website.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 12, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
Methinks a 3 set, 2 x 3rd brakes, to go with one of the compos I have, and a brake compo should do for me; I already have about 15 of the first issue. I must have a go at improving my 3rd open and restaurant car hacks and finish the Worsley Works Ironclad restaurant car kit.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on March 12, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
Same goes for me, but a different green.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2018, 07:02:10 PM
I can only find one Maunsell Brake Composite in BR SR Green and one in BR Crimson & Cream. However, I need two Maunsell Brake Composites in BR SR Green to go with my two Maunsell Brake Seconds in BR SR Green.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on March 12, 2018, 07:12:36 PM
That is correct. the 4 compartment thirds go with the compo to make a 3-car set, and the BCKs are add ons for coaches to the branches of the withered arm etc. Yes they only are doing one and i'd like two as well.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 12, 2018, 08:24:52 PM
Pre order placed, £146.

Quote from: Bob G on March 12, 2018, 07:12:36 PM
That is correct. the 4 compartment thirds go with the compo to make a 3-car set, and the BCKs are add ons for coaches to the branches of the withered arm etc. Yes they only are doing one and i'd like two as well.

Sounds like a renumbering job needed
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: leachsprite4 on March 12, 2018, 08:39:35 PM
I'd missed they're only making one for now as well.  :doh:
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on March 12, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
To be honest, i would have thought Dapol needed to get as much back from the new moulds as soon as possible.
I don't see what's wrong with them milking the Maunsell cow.
You get more milk than from a Bullied cow :)
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 13, 2018, 07:30:53 AM
They issued two running number models of every type in every livery before. I also need to purchase some BR SR era buffet / restaurant car kits to make up to go with my Bulleid coaches.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Carmont on May 21, 2018, 01:37:10 PM
Received my 3-set this morning. They are quite exquisite and employ a nice gangway interconnection as well.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 21, 2018, 05:15:38 PM
Rails and Hattons both have the SR lined green 3rd brakes and compo brakes but neither appear to have the 3 set 394 as yet although Dapol show it as going to stockists at the same time as the single coaches.
I'm reminded of an acronym from service days - SNAFU.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on July 21, 2018, 08:19:57 PM
Both Rails and Hattons have the 3-set listed. I could pick it when making up my order yesterday at Hattons, and saw the Rails entry while I was browsing for other stuff at Rails...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Caz on July 22, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Was advised my pre order set was despatched on Saturday from Hattons.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 22, 2018, 05:59:35 PM
Rails now admit to having them however as I doubt they work Sundays mine will probably start moving tomorrow, says he with fingers and other appendages crossed.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on July 23, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: Caz on July 22, 2018, 05:34:46 PM
Was advised my pre order set was despatched on Saturday from Hattons.

And I was advised on Friday - and they arrived today! These are 4-compartment brakes Nos 3214 and 3215 for my Bournemouth Ltd service. I have to say they look superb.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 23, 2018, 06:22:42 PM
Still no news from Rails, they are showing them as arrived but I've not had a request for payment as yet.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: CarriageShed on July 24, 2018, 09:01:00 AM
Kernow Models have a batch too. They arrived yesterday.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 07, 2020, 07:39:47 PM
Any news of the arrival of the high window Maunsell coaches, please?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 07, 2020, 09:53:17 PM
Rails still show forthcoming release, pre order, but a search of Dapol site even quoting part number returns not found. Nowt on Dapol Digest since last year, I'll try an email to the collectors club se if that gets a result.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 07, 2020, 10:13:51 PM
Many thanks, Mike. I had thought they were imminent. So, I guess no info., yet, on liveries, running no's, and Set no's, either? I need some to make North Cornwall 2-car local sets although 'loose' Maunsells lasted as late as 1964 as 'strengtheners.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: longbow on September 08, 2020, 12:07:47 AM
The Dapol online catalogue lists these for delivery late 3Q/early 3Q, whilst Hattons says September. Both have full details of what's coming - SR Olive only. However, Dapol haven't posted production sample pics and they don't appear in their latest Coming Soon ads, so don't hold your breath. 
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2020, 07:33:26 AM
Thanks. So, next year for the BR Crimson & Cream and BR SR Green ones?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Capri_sam on September 08, 2020, 07:51:13 AM
Edit: I thought rails had a news announcement about these being imminent but it seems to have vanished from their front page - error in communication?

It's bizarre, I've never seen a new tooling model arrive (if they actually have!?) with less fanfare. Especially since SR modellers have been demanding the high windows for so long. I've also got no idea why they are only doing one livery.

Seperately, I've never understood Dapol's reluctance to release the maunsells in Malachite, given how many of their SR locos they (unnecessarily) produce in that livery which the never sell because they've got nothing to pull!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 08, 2020, 08:16:43 AM
Catalogue page link.

http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/57/index.html (http://www.dapol.co.uk/Catalogue/57/index.html)
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 08, 2020, 10:35:47 AM
Mike beat me to it with the catalogue pages, the latest I've seen for delivery estimate is Q4 2020, so before Christmas, hopefully. Engineering and Production samples have been around for a while, liveried samples I haven't seen, but there is very little change from the low-window coaches, so hopefully they'll be OK.

They are following the same production order to the low-window versions; SR lined Olive Green first, then BR(S) Green then BR Crimson/Cream, so other liveries to follow.

The BR(S) Green looks more like SR Malachite than the proper BR(S) Green that is applied to the Farish Mark 1s. The BR(S) Green on the Farish Bulleids is a shade darker than that on the Mark 1s, so you can't win them all...
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 08, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
Extract from email received this morning

Quote
The High window Maunsells are expected here second half of October.

We have previously notified stockists of this on the new release forms we send them each month So I am surprised only Rails are putting this out.

Hattons also have them listed but it takes ages to find them, scroll down a long way at this but does include mono images
https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/dapol/advance.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/dapol/advance.aspx)
all listed as due September and available to pre order.
4 coach set in SR olive green - set 193
6 coach set in SR olive green 456
brake third 3730 in SR olive green
composite corridor 5635 in SR olive green
first corridor 7228 in SR olive green
third corridor 1122 in SR olive green

Edit, I've just replied to Dapol with thanks for the release info and included a gripe about lack of catering vehicles and push pull sets
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 08, 2020, 01:50:53 PM
Quote from: Dorsetmike on September 08, 2020, 12:12:05 PM
Extract from email received this morning

Quote
The High window Maunsells are expected here second half of October.

We have previously notified stockists of this on the new release forms we send them each month So I am surprised only Rails are putting this out.

Hattons also have them listed but it takes ages to find them, scroll down a long way at this but does include mono images
https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/dapol/advance.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/1000396/dapol/advance.aspx)
all listed as due September and available to pre order.
4 coach set in SR olive green - set 193
6 coach set in SR olive green 456
brake third 3730 in SR olive green
composite corridor 5635 in SR olive green
first corridor 7228 in SR olive green
third corridor 1122 in SR olive green

Edit, I've just replied to Dapol with thanks for the release info and included a gripe about lack of catering vehicles and push pull sets

I did ask them to change 3730 to 3733 as 3730 is not a 6-compartment BTK. Making it 3733 enables them to release BCK 6674 when they get round to doing the BTK(4) and BTK coaches and complete set 180.

The problem with the catering vehicles is that there is possibly not a demand for those that will justify the development and production expense. I can see a demand for the drop-window open thirds, though. They were widely used as strengtheners, but to use them in a 1960 Pull-and-Push set they need a Period 2 high-window BCK, which has a completely different design 'blind door' window in the corridor side and a double-bonnet ventilator over the toilet window in the compartment side.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2020, 01:51:25 PM
Very good info., Mike, and thanks for mentioning the P&P sets and buffet restaurant cars, too.

I'll look forward to the other liveries, next year?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 08, 2020, 02:24:23 PM
QuoteThe problem with the catering vehicles is that there is possibly not a demand for those that will justify the development and production expense

They've done the Gresley teak buffet, is there that much more demand for LNER than SR?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: nobby on September 08, 2020, 02:36:28 PM
tbh dapol have only done 1 version of the mk3 buffet car the 4 window version ,not the 3 window version , yet look how many hst sets have been released over the years including livery reruns so i wouldnt hold much hope out for any catering cars nice as they would be.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on September 08, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
The thing about the Gresley buffets is that they did survive (with modification) until the Blue-Grey era (I modified one myself into Blue Grey).
Hornby did one in Blue Grey in OO too (but it was not modified from the original window layout).
They were also used on the SR and WR in the 1960s. So of all the big four catering vehicles, it is best to choose for breadth of use.

When it originally came out it was also £35 for the buffet when the coaches themselves were about £15. Prices have equalised now, so they have obviously made enough to pay for the dies.
I have an original maroon one which had the very inset bogies to allow for the close coupling mechanism (which was subsequently redesigned when they introduced the light bar fitting).

When I started in this game in 1970, there were only 1:160 Lima Mk 1 RMB catering vehicles, so I am feeling quite well supplied in comparison! You also had to buy the Lima BG as Minitrix did everything on a 63' chassis. And you only had the choice of Peco 10' and 15' underframes. One of Farish's first wagons was a GW Toad. OMG it was exciting times.

Best
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on September 08, 2020, 03:20:50 PM
Also the LNER had many more long distance services. The SR was primarily a commuter railway and only a small selection of routes were long enough to require catering facilities (primarily the WoE services).
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 08, 2020, 05:23:38 PM
Just did some checkingin Gould's Maunsell's SR steam coaching stock, not counting Ironclads there were 54 Kitchen/Diners and 6 Restaurant salons, plus 168 Open thirds some of which were paired with a diner/restaurant within a rake.
There was such a pair on Bournemouth>York>Newcastle, Bournemouth> Birkenhead, Brighton>Birkenhead and Margate>Birkenhead working alternate days with LNER or GWR MWF out, TuThSa back; there were 5 sets in daily use on W'loo>Bournemouth/Weymouth & W'loo>Portsmouth, 4 sets for W'loo> Ilfracombe, 2 sets Brighton>Plymouth, 1 set Brighton>Bournemouth, plus extras like boat trains; Summer Saturdays would see quite a few more, reliefs to the ACE, Saturdays only services to resorts like Swanage, Lymington, Seaton etc, prior to electrification there were also daily workingsfrom London to Brighton, North Kent line.

How many do Dapol/Farish need before they make things?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on September 08, 2020, 05:33:07 PM
A more pertinent figure might be how many there were of the most numerous diagram, did it run with any of the other SR stock they have released and can they re-use anything like the underframes without too much modification?

The big problem with catering vehicles is only expresses tend to contain one and then most rakes only contain 1. People might buy multiple seconds, brakes and even firsts but often only 1 catering vehicle.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 08, 2020, 06:52:55 PM
They were normlly marshalled within existing sets of 3 to 6 coaches. As an example a Waterloo to Bournemouth/Swanage/Weymouth service may consist of a 3 set plus Restaurant and open 3rd as the Weymouth portion a 3 set for Bournemouth and a 2 set for Swanage, the Bournemouth portion may well have  2 or more loose coaches or a second 3 set added. A limitation on services ex W'loo is the length of platform a max of about 12 x 59' coaches, anything longer takes a second platform and the 2 portions join outside the station.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: gc4946 on September 08, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
Very pleasantly surprised that the high-window versions are arriving soon! :claphappy:

I'm not planning to buy a complete olive green set but will consider buying a loose 3rd corridor carriage. 
However I'd be very interested if Dapol release in the fullness of time, versions in crimson/cream and BR(S) green.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 08, 2020, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on September 08, 2020, 05:33:07 PM
A more pertinent figure might be how many there were of the most numerous diagram, did it run with any of the other SR stock they have released and can they re-use anything like the underframes without too much modification?

The big problem with catering vehicles is only expresses tend to contain one and then most rakes only contain 1. People might buy multiple seconds, brakes and even firsts but often only 1 catering vehicle.

There were 46 standard Maunsell Restaurant cars (classed Kitchen/Diner First), to four diagrams, the only difference between them being the catering equipment that was installed in the Kitchen. Externally they were identical.

D.2650: 7870/71 (1932), 7931/32 (1932)
D.2651: 7858-63 (1927), 7939-58 (1929-30)
D.2655: 7878/80 (1934), 7933/34/69 (1934), 7995/97/98 (1934)
D.2656: 7864-69 (1932), 7999, 8000 (1934)

35 restaurant cars were rebuilt in the early years of British Railways:
7858, 7949/52 were rebuilt to D.2657 in 1947
7864/65/67, 7999 were rebuilt to D.2658 (1947); 7878, 7969 to D.2661 (1947); and 7940/55 to D.2667 (1953) as Kitchen/Buffet cars
7939/54 were rebuilt to D.2675 as Cafeteria Cars in 1952
7859/60/62/63/66/69-71, 7934/41/42/44/45/47/48/50/51/53/56-58/95 were rebuilt to D.2666 Buffet cars in 1953/54

The buffet cars were substantially externally rebuilt, the others retained their original external profile, apart from some blanked-out windows..

All bar one were withdrawn between 1960 and 1963
12/60: 7858, 7940/41/43/44
1961: 7861/65/68, 7932/45/49/52/53/55
1962: 7859/60/62/63/64/67/70/71/80, 7931/33/39/42/46/47/50/51/54/56/58/97/98, 8000
1963: 7866/69/78, 7934/48/57/95/99

The remaining one, 7969, survived until December 1967, nominally as cover for Bournemouth line services during the electrification project, but was seldom used. It was noted in the formation of the 12:15 Exeter-Brighton on 07/10/67, by then the last survivor of the SR pre-war stock.

The KDFs usually ran with an Open Third type vehicle. Six Dining Saloons (effectively Open Thirds with dining tables fitted to each seating bay) 7864-69 were built in 1927 (during the 'low-window' period) to run with the first six KDFs (7858-63), providing third-class dining facilities. They were renumbered 1363-68 and released into the general pool in 1934; from then on any third-class dining requirements were satisfied by suitably equipping an Open Third or General Saloon (aka 'Nondescript' - a similarly designed open vehicle which could be designated as required to any of the three classes in use at the time) from the general pool. The Open Thirds were either from the 'drop window' variety built during the early 'high-window' period, or the version with top-ventilated large-pane windows that were produced later in the Maunsell period. Obviously the TO of most interest will be the 'drop window' version, which were eventually utilised in the 1960s 'pull-and-push' sets with second-period high-window BCKs.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 08, 2020, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: gc4946 on September 08, 2020, 08:09:24 PM
However I'd be very interested if Dapol release in the fullness of time, versions in crimson/cream and BR(S) green.

They have said that they will - BR(S) Green first, then BR Crimson/Cream - no timescales on this, though.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: talisman56 on September 08, 2020, 10:09:45 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on September 08, 2020, 03:20:50 PM
Also the LNER had many more long distance services. The SR was primarily a commuter railway and only a small selection of routes were long enough to require catering facilities (primarily the WoE services).

The Maunsell Kitchen/Diner Firsts (with Ironclad similar in their early days and Bulleid Tavern twin sets later on) were the mainstay of catering on the ex-LSWR long-distance services. Central and South-Eastern lines used Pullmans where catering was required; either as originally built or converted to buffet cars.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 18, 2020, 10:25:34 PM
Email from Allen at Worsley Works, the open third and Ironclad restaurant sides will bein the post on Monday, so I'll need to get sorting through possible donor coaches.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 19, 2020, 11:31:07 AM
Excellent news, Mike. Looking forward to seeing your models' progress.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Flange Squeal on October 30, 2020, 08:23:09 PM
Please excuse my ignorance of all things Southern Railway but I'm curious to know if the Maunsell coaches (as modelled by Dapol) would have been seen anywhere in the Guildford area during the 1930s pulled by an ex.LSWR T9 Greyhound?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2020, 09:28:18 PM
Quote from: Ferkeltaxe on October 30, 2020, 08:23:09 PM
Please excuse my ignorance of all things Southern Railway but I'm curious to know if the Maunsell coaches (as modelled by Dapol) would have been seen anywhere in the Guildford area during the 1930s pulled by an ex-LSWR T9 Greyhound?

I'm no expert on the period or the area but I'd say, yes. Others would know better.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on October 30, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
More likely on hrough services like Waterloo to Portsmouth; you could probably invoke Rule 1 and run the T9 and a rake of 4 on a Redhill to Reading service, as far as I know they would  still be using mostly ex SECR stock on that route. Waterloo - Portsmouth behind a U class or D15, neither of which locos are available RTR but a T9 would also be a possibility as would an N.  You can also use an ex LSWR 700 class on goods, maybe an occasional 0395, both available from UM. A G6 0-6-0T (NBrass kit) for shunting/station pilot. Waterloo- Guildford stoppers were often an M7 with a rake of 4 or 6. 1930s though you really need an Adams A12 0-4-2, but that will need to be scratch built or a very serious hack of  UM 0395.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 26, 2020, 12:11:24 PM
Looks like the SR lined green high window 4 & 6 car sets have arrived at Rails, had an email saying they've taken the money, so hopefully here by the weekend.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 28, 2020, 12:23:53 PM
Four and six coach sets arrived this morning, better get a move on with the new layout so I can run them!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 06, 2022, 11:51:04 AM
Did I miss the BR SR Green Maunsell high window models?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on August 06, 2022, 12:22:18 PM
No Chris
Dapol have rerun almost everything they have dies for apart from these desirable coaches!!!!
Nowt like folk!
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 06, 2022, 12:36:42 PM
Quote from: Bob G on August 06, 2022, 12:22:18 PM
No Chris
Dapol have rerun almost everything they have dies for apart from these desirable coaches!!!!
Nowt like folk!
Bob

Thanks, Bob, for your quick reply. I hope that all is well. I cannot understand why Dapol have not. I need a couple of them in BR SR Green and also, ideally, in BR Crimson & Cream, to make up accurate 2-coach North Cornwall local service sets.

I also still cannot understand why no one (not even as a 3D print) produces the Bulleid BCKs.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: honestjudge on September 10, 2022, 09:24:52 PM
I spoke to Joel of Dapol at Tings today regarding the High window maunsell coaches in the other liveries. Dapol are not planning to do any other liveries.
I asked him the same question last year and he said exactly the same this time. I'm giving up hope of a green set unless I do it myself.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on September 10, 2022, 10:31:47 PM
The logic of manufacturers! This is from the people that made maroon Gresley coaches with the wrong bogie spacings and concluded that the livery was the wrong choice, and why the coaches had poor initial sales, rather than the poor design of bogies.

When the low window Maunsells were produced everyone asked when they would do the high window variant. Sometimes Dapol do odd things like the Maunsell BCK and then produce only one variant of it, but in three liveries. You would want several of them in eg the ACE. So we wait for the next release. And wait.

I think the high window variant is suffering the same. Wrong initial choice of livery. Poor sales. Accountant MD says it doesn't sell. No more liveries.

Am I right?



Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 07:14:40 AM
Thank you for the update. Dapol clearly needs a Product Manager who understands the customers' needs and wants. Any authentic BR livery is going to be more popular than a Southern Railway one. To create many realistic BR SR Maunsell coach sets, BOTH High and Low variants in BOTH BR Crimson & Cream and BR SR Green are required as basic research would prove! Some 3D printed High Window Maunsell coaches are available and that is the way I will go.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Karhedron on September 11, 2022, 07:36:13 AM
I think Dapol are misguided by their GWR coaches which always sell better in chocolate and cream. Thus they have concluded that pre-nationalisation liveries are better sellers.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: honestjudge on September 11, 2022, 08:25:44 AM
I couldn't agree more.   I had plans to create a P-set or two,  with  high and low window brake vehicles. But it looks like I will have to do some spraying if I want that.

Joel did say in our conversation, that they had a warehouse full of unsold maunsell coaches, and until that reduced....!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on September 11, 2022, 07:36:13 AM
I think Dapol are misguided by their GWR coaches which always sell better in chocolate and cream. Thus they have concluded that pre-nationalisation liveries are better sellers.

Clearly, Dapol needs to do some basic market research: SURVEY potential customers!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: honestjudge on September 11, 2022, 08:25:44 AM
I couldn't agree more.   I had plans to create a P-set or two,  with  high and low window brake vehicles. But it looks like I will have to do some spraying if I want that.

Joel did say in our conversation, that they had a warehouse full of unsold Maunsell coaches, and until that reduced....!

Thanks. Respraying is certainly an alternative.

Sending Dapol a list of typical P Set compositions (so they could sell popular individual coaches to make up sets as well as market complete sets with correct running numbers and Set numbers) might help.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bingley Hall on September 11, 2022, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on September 11, 2022, 07:36:13 AM
I think Dapol are misguided by their GWR coaches which always sell better in chocolate and cream. Thus they have concluded that pre-nationalisation liveries are better sellers.

Clearly, Dapol needs to do some basic market research: SURVEY potential customers!
So do Bachmann - seen any maroon Thompson's around?

Rapido are currently telling people they have to buy a Class 44 if they want to see a Class 45.

It's not just Dapol.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 11, 2022, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Bingley Hall on September 11, 2022, 09:49:06 AM

Rapido are currently telling people they have to buy a Class 44 if they want to see a Class 45.

It's not just Dapol.

I think I spotted Rapido's logic. Farish is very likely to announce a new version of their Class 45 which would leave us with 2 Class 45s competing for the market. This way you get a Class 44 and Class 45.

If Farish do not revamp the Class 45, Rapido have the Class 44 chassis and basic mould to develop into a 45 and 46 with a much lower initial outlay. The manufacturers are smart enough to have thought this through.

A Class 44 will do for me, bringing back memories of wheezing steam heated sets of Mk1s on the Midland Main Line slows in the early 1970s. Visions of Marilyn Monroe skipping through the clouds of steam in "Some like it hot".
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: Bingley Hall on September 11, 2022, 09:49:06 AM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 09:19:12 AM
Quote from: Karhedron on September 11, 2022, 07:36:13 AM
I think Dapol are misguided by their GWR coaches which always sell better in chocolate and cream. Thus they have concluded that pre-nationalisation liveries are better sellers.

Clearly, Dapol needs to do some basic market research: SURVEY potential customers!
So do Bachmann - seen any maroon Thompson's around?

Rapido are currently telling people they have to buy a Class 44 if they want to see a Class 45.

It's not just Dapol.

The absence of the BR Lined Maroon Thompson design coaches is indeed puzzling but the BR Crimson & Cream ones seemed to have sold out quickly?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: honestjudge on September 11, 2022, 08:25:44 AM
I couldn't agree more.   I had plans to create a P-set or two,  with  high and low window brake vehicles. But it looks like I will have to do some spraying if I want that.

Joel did say in our conversation, that they had a warehouse full of unsold maunsell coaches, and until that reduced....!

Perhaps Kernow Models could be persuaded to commission 2P twin-packs of North Cornwall Line 2P Sets in BR Crimson & Cream and BR SR Green authentically combining High and Low window variants with the correct running and Set numbers?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Bob G on September 11, 2022, 12:08:46 PM
Quote from: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2022, 11:46:08 AM
Quote from: honestjudge on September 11, 2022, 08:25:44 AM
I couldn't agree more.   I had plans to create a P-set or two,  with  high and low window brake vehicles. But it looks like I will have to do some spraying if I want that.

Joel did say in our conversation, that they had a warehouse full of unsold maunsell coaches, and until that reduced....!

Perhaps Kernow Models could be persuaded to commission 2P twin-packs of North Cornwall Line 2P Sets in BR Crimson & Cream and BR SR Green authentically combining High and Low window variants with the correct running and Set numbers?
Now that is an idea and a half!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 11, 2022, 12:56:09 PM
Maybe  a certain producer of adhesive vinyl overlays @captainelectra (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9) could provide a solution.
Personally I'm quite happy with the Dapol offering as I model SR mid 1930s, the only gripe being a lack of open 3rd and restaurant cars which I've overcome with some etched sides and my own overlays.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 04, 2022, 06:25:36 PM
As I am happy to respray in BR SR Green and add the necessary transfers, can anyone please tell me the Dapol SKU numbers for SR livery High Window coaches which ran in North Cornwall in BR SR days?
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Newportnobby on October 04, 2022, 07:07:13 PM
According to my Collector's Guide..............

2P-014-001 4 coach set (set 193)
2P-014-002 6 coach set (set 456)
2P-014-003 Brake Composite (3730
2P-014-004 Corridor Composite (5635)
2P-014-005 Corridor First (7228)
2P-014-006 Corridor 3rd/2nd (1122)

All in SR Olive green
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 05, 2022, 07:23:15 AM
Many thanks. Now I need to find which retailer is selling them the cheapest!
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on October 31, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
If anybody is interested I have a few spare etched brass Maunsell open 3rds and Ironclad Restaurant car sides, also some vinyl overlays for them in SR 1930s olive green. I had to buy full sheets of both etches 12 coaches to a sheet, only really need about 4 of each.
The sides will fit Dapol Maunsells Farish "main line" or possibly BHE coach accessories (sides floor, roof ends etc - may have to cut to length)
I also have some bogie side frames for Urie/Maunsell bogie tenders, I use them when hacking a BHE N15 tender to take a Union Mills drive.
Cheers MIKE
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 28, 2023, 09:57:34 PM
As part of my downsizing exercise for moving into sheltered accomodation I'm making a much smaller semi portable layout 4'6"x 2'6", a double oval small station with bay and goods shed, this has meant using sharper curves on the inner track, which seems like I may have to abandon Dapol Maunsells unless there is a work around.
Has anybody figured how to persuade Dapol coaches to take R1 curves?
I can see two possible reasons, first the mechanism they use to move the coupling, second it looks as though the wheels foul the bodywork stopping the bogies from swinging further.
I've contemplated possible solutions such as using smaller wheels, or putting a spacing washer or two between the bogie and the chassis, or somehow disabling the coupling swivelling mechanism.
A more drastic solution would be to get some older Farish coach chassis and put the Dapol bodies on them.
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: dodger on March 30, 2023, 07:41:13 PM
Before you embark on any modifications, unless Dapol have made any changes to later batches. I think they will negotiate R1 curves.

I have less room than you and the largest curve I can use is Kato 183mm (7 3/8 inch). I have 3 BR livered coaches BSK, SK & BCK from early batches and they run without any problems.

Dodger
Title: Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 30, 2023, 08:51:47 PM
Thanks for that, I've tried another Dapol Maunsell today, that goes fine, just sod's law I picked a dodgy one for testing.