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Title: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Smokin Joe on November 08, 2011, 08:05:50 PM
Anyone ever tried it, or know of garden railways using N gauge? Smallest I've heard of myself is OO.
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: longbridge on November 08, 2011, 08:12:11 PM
Never heard of it myself Joe but no doubt someone would have done it somewhere, I tried to Google the subject but it never turned up much, maybe you could be the first :thumbsup:
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: elmo on November 08, 2011, 08:33:05 PM
It has been done, I have seen it in a book which I cannot find at the moment to give a title. Lots of problems with mild winds and small grit reported to spoil the running.
Elmo
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Tank on November 08, 2011, 08:39:41 PM
I tried it for about 5 weeks, but it was very difficult to keep the track clean.  I only had two lengths of Flexi.
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: elmo on November 08, 2011, 09:17:38 PM
Tank - what problems did you have with the track. I am a sinner, as I run 00 in the garden. Unlike indoors it the track gets a thick coat of crud just from being left out. It needs a good track rubber scrub if left for a couple of days. What was the N gauge track like?
Elmo
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Tank on November 08, 2011, 10:04:54 PM
It was the pre Nickel Silver Peco track, and it just didn't agree with the elements.  Yes, constant rubbing was one thing that had to be done, as the damp didn't agree with the metal.  Then of course you have leaves and other bits that may be blown on the track.  I even had a snail that left it's mark on one part.  Too much hassle for me, so I gave up! ;D  I'm sure the Nickel Silver track would be easier.
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: elmo on November 08, 2011, 10:36:03 PM
A snail, PAH, I have 9 cats and a resident hedge hog to deal with. And on a funny note, the neighbourhood kids like playing with my cats and it apears that some of the kids have come into my garden, as evidenced by the matchbox/corgi cars etc that i have found. Two infant school age boys come to talk to me "is your garden the one with the train set in it?" so you have been in to have a look then ... "No I had a guess"!!!! Cant argue with that!!!!! and the parents fell about laughing when they were convincingly trying to say that they had not been playing in other peoples gardens. :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: zwilnik on November 08, 2011, 10:40:30 PM
For garden railways it might be better to re-jig the trains to run on battery power with mini-RC rather than track power, like some of the larger O & G gauge ones do. Might be feasible for a larger diesel or a steamer with a support coach (or two).
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 08, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Zwilnik on November 08, 2011, 10:40:30 PM
For garden railways it might be better to re-jig the trains to run on battery power with mini-RC rather than track power, like some of the larger O & G gauge ones do. Might be feasible for a larger diesel or a steamer with a support coach (or two).

Steam you might do with the older Farish locos and fill the tender with battery. I'd worry a bit about weight however in all these cases. You are not going to need the big battery of an O gauge setup but you are going to need a reasonable amount of capacity.
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: zwilnik on November 08, 2011, 11:58:59 PM
Quote from: EtchedPixels on November 08, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
Quote from: Zwilnik on November 08, 2011, 10:40:30 PM
For garden railways it might be better to re-jig the trains to run on battery power with mini-RC rather than track power, like some of the larger O & G gauge ones do. Might be feasible for a larger diesel or a steamer with a support coach (or two).

Steam you might do with the older Farish locos and fill the tender with battery. I'd worry a bit about weight however in all these cases. You are not going to need the big battery of an O gauge setup but you are going to need a reasonable amount of capacity.


Yeah, I'm thinking something that would charge each loop at the station or water tower so you only need enough charge for a circuit with a little in reserve. Feasibly you could use those hydro batteries and actually top up with water each circuit :) I suspect we're just on the edge of battery technology being practical for large N Gauge garden layouts.
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Fratton on November 09, 2011, 10:20:07 AM
Now this I had wondered about even in n guage, I used to fly miniature remote control helicopters (indoor ones) and some of the cheaper ones needed pluging in for a few minutes and would fly a few minutes, maybe with a capacitor battery type thing a battery could stretch from station to station and charge through the wheels on an isolated stretch of charging rail at stations etc???
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Deltic9001 on November 11, 2011, 03:16:24 PM
Hi,

I seem to remember an article in the Railway Modeller in the 1970s where somebody had built an outdoor layout - it was all continental stock. There was a large girder bridge over a small pond but the problems listed (from memory) were:

- large fish on the pond causing the bridge supports to shake
- birds digging for worms and depositing earth on the line
- leaves on the line during autumn were no fun
- anything more than a slight breeze caused derailments
- snail shells on the line acting like major rockfalls

Regards,
Andy Hoskins
Falkirk
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Newportnobby on November 11, 2011, 03:45:39 PM
Quote from: Deltic9001 on November 11, 2011, 03:16:24 PM
Hi,

I seem to remember an article in the Railway Modeller in the 1970s where somebody had built an outdoor layout - it was all continental stock. There was a large girder bridge over a small pond but the problems listed (from memory) were:

- large fish on the pond causing the bridge supports to shake
- birds digging for worms and depositing earth on the line
- leaves on the line during autumn were no fun
- anything more than a slight breeze caused derailments
- snail shells on the line acting like major rockfalls

Regards,
Andy Hoskins
Falkirk
So it was prototypical then :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Deltic9001 on November 20, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
Hi,

Here's a link to some photographs of an outdoor N gauge layout:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ngauge-photo-archive/photos/album/1431584365/pic/list

Best Regards,
Andy Hoskins
Falkirk
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Sprintex on November 21, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
Link just sends you to a log-in page, no good if you don't have a Yahoo account  ;)


Paul
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Rheneas N Gauge on November 27, 2011, 09:45:22 PM
N gauge in the garden is a good idea but its a constant battle with the wind blowing what seems like gales at it
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: EtchedPixels on November 27, 2011, 09:51:57 PM
Quote from: Rheneas N Gauge on November 27, 2011, 09:45:22 PM
N gauge in the garden is a good idea but its a constant battle with the wind blowing what seems like gales at it

So model the underground 8)
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: elmo on November 28, 2011, 12:18:33 AM

So model the underground 8)

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Thats all very well but wait until you have a derailment. I have got holes all over my garden as I cannot for the life of me remember where I put the track :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: OwL on November 28, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
I re-call reading an on-line article from the US about a guy who did build a small outdoor n layout. He had to abandon the project though when in his words:

'All was going well until an eagle swooped into the garden, and snatched away my prize locomotive assuming that it was some kind of rodent!!!!'

The poor bloke had his trains nicked by local wildlife!!!!!
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Newportnobby on November 28, 2011, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: owl729 on November 28, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
I re-call reading an on-line article from the US about a guy who did build a small outdoor n layout. He had to abandon the project though when in his words:

'All was going well until an eagle swooped into the garden, and snatched away my prize locomotive assuming that it was some kind of rodent!!!!'

The poor bloke had his trains nicked by local wildlife!!!!!

Ah, but how many eagles do we see in this country??
Now owls are a different matter ;D
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: OwL on November 28, 2011, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on November 28, 2011, 04:07:56 PM
Quote from: owl729 on November 28, 2011, 11:52:04 AM
I re-call reading an on-line article from the US about a guy who did build a small outdoor n layout. He had to abandon the project though when in his words:

'All was going well until an eagle swooped into the garden, and snatched away my prize locomotive assuming that it was some kind of rodent!!!!'

The poor bloke had his trains nicked by local wildlife!!!!!

Ah, but how many eagles do we see in this country??
Now owls are a different matter ;D



:smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: N Gauge In The Garden
Post by: Fratton on November 28, 2011, 06:16:08 PM
Ican just imagine the local magpies lining up watching dapol silver bullets going round waiting for their moment,,,,