For those unaware, the annual RMWEB hosted wishlist poll is now open.......
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/page/wishlist_2016.html (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/page/wishlist_2016.html)
I would like a class 25/2 in the revised body style updated from the Farish old model (no longer available) but I could not see how to vote for it. Therefore I regard the poll as superfluous. Maybe I have to wait for Dapol to show Farish how to do it.
Evening all,
Regarding the later body-style 25/2 or 25/3 I did mention last year (via the "other" forum) to wish-list compilers about the lack of these.
They stated that they would include these this year - alas no.
There aren't any other diesel models I particularly require for my modelling needs, but a couple of later body-style 25's would be snapped up, so yes, the poll is superfluous for me unfortunately.
I may contact Farish directly about this big gap in available models, hopefully others may do the same, the more the merrier.
The other big gap is the "peaks", although as I model the Highland mainline not such a worry for me personally.
Cheers,
Paul
Bit of a 'me too'.
I had a quick look, no locos I want, but the later class 25, which I would have voted for, missing.
In fairness, the poll covers much much more than just locomotives.....
I saw 'Lion' and 'DP2' but failed to spot D0280 'Falcon'.
Was it there?
Yes it was there, under its TOPS Class code.
Thanks, Scott. TOPS is just gibberish to me so I wouldn't have spotted it.
Duly voted for my usual mix of western flavoured treats.
I was going to vote for a Bulleid BCK to go with the rest of the Farish Bulleid range but I couldn't see it in the list.
A right old mix for me
8F
Class 310/312
EM1/2
Kestrel
For me:
Falcon (Class 53)
Twins
DP2
Class 24/1 (With the headcode box)
Class 28 (1961 onwards)
Class 21/29 (deja vu)
Standard Class 6 Clan
LMS Porthole BFK
LNER Thomson Non-gangwayed Stock
Mk1 POT
TCV
EDIT: I would have asked for a modern chassis V2, but alas I think the last model was produced after the cut-off.
Quote from: Karhedron on October 12, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
Duly voted for my usual mix of western flavoured treats.
I was going to vote for a Bulleid BCK to go with the rest of the Farish Bulleid range but I couldn't see it in the list.
Only mention of a Bullied BCK was here:
SR Bulleid 10¼in ventilator stock (Loose BCK; 2-sets 63-75; 3-sets 771-793 of 1946-1948)
Quote from: Mr PJ on October 11, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Evening all,
Regarding the later body-style 25/2 or 25/3 I did mention last year (via the "other" forum) to wish-list compilers about the lack of these.
They stated that they would include these this year - alas no.
There aren't any other diesel models I particularly require for my modelling needs, but a couple of later body-style 25's would be snapped up, so yes, the poll is superfluous for me unfortunately.
I may contact Farish directly about this big gap in available models, hopefully others may do the same, the more the merrier.
The other big gap is the "peaks", although as I model the Highland mainline not such a worry for me personally.
Cheers,
Paul
I think the peaks aren't on the list because the retooling by Farish is within the cut-off date set by the poll makers. The current model is actually pretty good, body-wise, but the bogies let them down. I suppose, also, the hard wiring of the decoder puts some off.
Route-wise, the Peaks could be found on Highland Mainline. 1M15 Inverness to Euston, 28/8/61, was headed by D10, for example.
A few of them turned up in Perth off of the London Euston to Perth trains and therefore it is reasonable to assume they performed some of their filling in turns over at least part of the Highland.
Voted for an Adams Radial - such a pretty engine!
When I see the sky-borne pigs I'll know I have a chance...
I couldn't find the later class 25 body style, The split box class 40 was missing too, as well as the class 90.
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Falcon is a class 53... for next year!
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: scruff on October 12, 2016, 06:16:00 PM
I couldn't find the later class 25 body style, The split box class 40 was missing too, as well as the class 90.
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Falcon is a class 53... for next year!
Cheers
Mark
Voted for a new tool 91 myself, didn't even notice the missing class 90. Defo would benefit from new tooling too.
Skyline2uk
All
Voted for the Class 06 and a various selection of wagons OTA was missing hope somebody does that soon.
Dave
I would buy a class 25/2 as well.
start the campaign!! bachmann must have all the drawings sorted already???
also I would like a 31/4 and 37/7 if they count - although not on the ballot paper.
anyway I have voted in the poll for various items that I would definitely buy but left some sections blank for items I just like but wouldn't actually buy (unless I won the lottery)
if I do win the lottery I'll just commission the top twenty items in the poll anyway and give them away to ngf members...
Tim
I may well have chosen an electic mix of GWR and southern locos plus a couple of coaches.
I agree a shame the V2s miss out also the nudge for dapol on new chassis for the M7 and small praire.
Graham
1940's /50's into early 60's yard cranes.
I voted for quite a bit, but the main items were:
Class 303/311 EMU
Class 380 EMU
London Underground stock - 1938 onwards
I voted for a whole variety of stuff.
Things like the Hawksworth 94xx, GWR Collett 51xx/61xx & 81xx and Class 117/118 Pressed Steel/BRCW 3-car would go with my current layout.
I've also voted for some electric locos and units both 3rd rail and OLE as I quite fancy doing an electric-themed layout some day.
Wanted to vote for the class 121/122 trailer coach but could not find it, voted for GWR / WR stock. Also some MR stuff and mix of coaches from various like restaurant, dinners, postal etc.
Surely the LMS Twins have to be done, especially seeing as it already exists and just needs the shrink ray applying :hmmm:
I voted for a few bits but more in hope than expectation: -
- Ivatt "Flying Pig" 2-6-0
- A new Crab
- A new 8F
- K1 2-6-0
- K3 2-6-0
- N2 0-6-2T
- Quad Art Set
And a few more..
Chances? Not great, but if you don't ask...
Roy
I've asked for LNER G5 and J21. Dunno why the more ubiquitous J27 isn't listed. Probably as much chance of these appearing as the Derby Lightweight DMU I've voted for, but you never know.
I would like a Class 415 4-EPB. I Think Bachmann make an OO 2 EPB so it's not too much to ask is it?
No tram options :( Would like a nice Manchester Metrolink of Croydon tram or two
I voted for quite a lot of items but have just realised that there was no Class 25/3 option; seems an odd omission.
I voted for a revamped 8F, surely this must be on the way.
I keep voting for a Class 28 & live in hope.
Others include Crosti/Garratt/Patriot/75xxx/Crab/Class 105/GT3/LMS Porthole Stock/Catfish/Brake Tender.
A class 28 please and the EM1/2 DC electrics black or green or maybe blue....
What a slog - just finished, having started yesterday morning!
Voted for 80 or so items. Mainly modern departmental and freight stock. Just about every crane listed (modern and preserved). GWR and SR preserved stock. 1923 and 1951 Pullman stock. Lots of underground.
I don't expect many if any will be produced in the next 5 years, though I would buy any that are (finances permitting). But, if I don't ask, I won't get.
If nothing else comes of it, at least I've found some new sources of reference in the links.
How about - at long last - a SWT 450? I really can't see why we've had the 350's for so, so long without the 450 appearing!
I've just voted.
My usual list with two additions:
- SHT/P&M Peckett E Class 0-4-0ST
- Class 07
- Class 71
- Derby Lightweight 2-car
- Class 110
- Class 128
- CIWL Night Ferry coaches and vans
- GWR Inspection Saloon (Diag.Q13)
- Underground 1938 stock
And I also voted for items already announced that I plan to purchase:
- GWR Dukedog
- Class 252, actually the prototype HST
whatever is coming lets hope the manufactures keep the quartering issues and wobbly wheels .
Quote from: ohlavache on October 19, 2016, 09:27:53 AM
I've just voted.
My usual list with two additions:
- SHT/P&M Peckett E Class 0-4-0ST
- Class 07
- Class 71
- Derby Lightweight 2-car
- Class 110
- Class 128
- CIWL Night Ferry coaches and vans
- GWR Inspection Saloon (Diag.Q13)
- Underground 1938 stock
And I also voted for items already announced that I plan to purchase:
- GWR Dukedog
- Class 252, actually the prototype HST
1938 tube stock - now that would be fantastic!
What about a British Rail Class 99? ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_99
Quote from: TylerB on October 19, 2016, 07:35:14 PM
What about a British Rail Class 99? ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_99
That's pushing the boat out a bit :hmmm: :D
Quote from: newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
That's pushing the boat out a bit :hmmm: :D
You really sink pretty low with your jokes. ::) ;D
Quote from: Tank on October 19, 2016, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
That's pushing the boat out a bit :hmmm: :D
You really sink pretty low with your jokes. ::) ;D
Yeah - my ship sailed long ago :(
Quote from: newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 19, 2016, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 08:11:17 PM
That's pushing the boat out a bit :hmmm: :D
You really sink pretty low with your jokes. ::) ;D
Yeah - my ship sailed long ago :(
you should bow out before you get a stern talking to.
I wan't aware of this before!
Had a good look through, voted for mainly LMS and early BR wagons.
I didn't know what everyone was meaning when they kept going on about the "Twins". Had a look and I quite like them (for a diesel!) so voted for them as well.
Oh yes, and voted for the Beyer Garrett. I mean, why wouldn't you want one of them?
:claphappy:
Quote from: bluedepot on October 12, 2016, 08:32:26 PM
I would buy a class 25/2 as well.
start the campaign!! bachmann must have all the drawings sorted already???
Tim
I have contacted Farish about the later body-style Class 25's (and split-box Class 40 while I was at it) and they have passed the message onto their development department.
I did contact the Wishlist poll compilers last year about the lack of these 25's, but it seems they were only going to put it on the agenda - not the actual poll (which seems a bit pointless). I am hoping that if people contact Farish directly they may think about producing one in future, as they basically have the chassis already (though most later 25's lack water tanks) and must have drawings from the 4mm model.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: Ben Line 457 on October 16, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
How about - at long last - a SWT 450? I really can't see why we've had the 350's for so, so long without the 450 appearing!
Because WCML layouts are very common and there's lots of complementary stock, whilst there's hardly any RTR SWML stock to go with a 450.
Quote from: njee20 on October 20, 2016, 03:33:50 PM
Quote from: Ben Line 457 on October 16, 2016, 03:02:42 PM
How about - at long last - a SWT 450? I really can't see why we've had the 350's for so, so long without the 450 appearing!
Because WCML layouts are very common and there's lots of complementary stock, whilst there's hardly any RTR SWML stock to go with a 450.
Surely the expensive bit of the development is the moulding, which was done and paid for ages back. Even a limited edition run of 450's to test the water would be more lucrative than the 350 in the white livery.
With the 319's due out next year a Sutton loop layout would be possible. The more skilled could convert a 150 and 319 into a 455, so with the 170's and 159's pretty much everything would be there.
And if southern electric stuff isn't popular why do ED's sell?
Because older southern stuff is more popular ;)
Judging by the price some 73s get sold at I'm not sure they are all that popular mind!
Don't get me wrong, id like a 450, I'm sat on a 455 at Vauxhall as we speak, but it's not hard to see why they've not done one. Did they ever release the OO gauge one?
I believe they did the or are doing 450 in 00. Not sure if it has been released yet.
(https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/31-040_3140576_Qty1_CAT.JPG)
Yes, I remember seeing pictures. I've a vague recollection they were only doing it weathered (which was Bachmann weathered, aka 'waft of brown') in the latest catalogue or something.
Results are here...
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116458-results-the-wishlist-poll-2016/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116458-results-the-wishlist-poll-2016/)
Good to see the LMS twins high on the list, If only :hmmm:
IIRC there were about 550 votes in the N gauge poll and the highest ranked item got just over 100 ie 20% roughly. If you extrapolate the 550 to the membership of the NGS (more than 5500) then you can say roughly 10x the poll results so the top-voted items have potentially 1000 customers. Some of those customers won't be a in a position to purchase what they want at any given time etc.
It shows the difficulty of producing something that people are going to buy in sufficient numbers to make it viable to produce RTR (even for smaller manufacturers). Of course the poll doesn't allow for people buying multiples of the same model (probably one of the most important considerations for a manufacturer!).
Cheers, Mike
I'm not a diesel fan, but when I looked "The Twins" up, because I had no idea what everyone was wittering on about, I immediately voted for them.
I think they look great and wouldn't look out of place on my proposed layout. I'd buy both of them like a shot. I mean, what's the point of credit cards otherwise.
Here's hoping.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: red_death on November 04, 2016, 11:41:23 AM
IIRC there were about 550 votes in the N gauge poll and the highest ranked item got just over 100 ie 20% roughly. If you extrapolate the 550 to the membership of the NGS (more than 5500) then you can say roughly 10x the poll results so the top-voted items have potentially 1000 customers. Some of those customers won't be a in a position to purchase what they want at any given time etc.
This is certainly true but conversley, some modelers may purchase more than one of an item. For example, the class 117/118, 120 and 158/159 DMUs all featured in the overall Top 10 and I imagine that there are plenty of modelers who would purchase these in multiple.
Quote from: Karhedron on November 04, 2016, 11:50:19 AM
This is certainly true but conversley, some modelers may purchase more than one of an item.
Errr that is exactly what I said in the last sentence of my post!
Cheers, Mike
Quote from: red_death on November 04, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
Errr that is exactly what I said in the last sentence of my post!
D'oh! :smackedface:
Sorry.
Time for more coffee perhaps.
I wish that the Class 28 hadn't been split into two variants. 53 votes for the modified window version and 40 for the original. Superficially this gives 93 votes for a Class 28 but I'm sure that some, like me, will have voted for both variants. As I would purchase 2 Class 28s it's not really misleading!
Also I don't understand why the 25/3 is not in the poll as the discontinued BachFar version was based on the older Farish body.
Glad to see the 8F and Standard Class 4 near the top of the Steam list.
Reading from the top it looks like my kit-build/conversion priority list.
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on November 04, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
Glad to see the 8F and Standard Class 4 near the top of the Steam list.
Agreed. Both in the top 12 but, sadly, I'm unlikely ever to see them :(
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
I could find room for either an 8F of a Standard 4, 4-6-0 on my layout (and probably both). But I agree that the LMS 8F looks like the better bet.
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
Yes, the Farish 8F is long in the tooth and was not good at traction and Farish seem happy to upgrade and reissue.
Quote from: Snowwolflair on November 04, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
Yes, the Farish 8F is long in the tooth and was not good at traction and Farish seem happy to upgrade and reissue.
My old 5 pole motor 8F will haul 35-40 Butterleys. Anything more and it would look silly on my layout so I haven't tried any more.
Quote from: Snowwolflair on November 04, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
Yes, the Farish 8F is long in the tooth and was not good at traction and Farish seem happy to upgrade and reissue.
I think you'll find the 8F was dropped from the Farish catalogue a long time ago.
Quote from: newportnobby on November 04, 2016, 04:36:24 PM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on November 04, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
Yes, the Farish 8F is long in the tooth and was not good at traction and Farish seem happy to upgrade and reissue.
My old 5 pole motor 8F will haul 35-40 Butterleys. Anything more and it would look silly on my layout so I haven't tried any more.
I get a lot of wheel slip, and I suspect its wheels with no wear and possibly the tender coupling is lifting the loco on track that is not perfectly flat. I have seen a number of others with the same problems. Worn wheels seem to improve the situation.
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:42:04 PM
Quote from: Snowwolflair on November 04, 2016, 04:28:39 PM
Quote from: crepello on November 04, 2016, 04:16:23 PM
Of these 2, I'd say the 8F would be the best option, as the Standard 4 could be thought of as not that different from the Standard 5.
Yes, the Farish 8F is long in the tooth and was not good at traction and Farish seem happy to upgrade and reissue.
I think you'll find the 8F was dropped from the Farish catalogue a long time ago.
That's why I think its ripe for a re-issue.
Well I'm pleased king Arthur finally top of the wish list. :bounce:
I agree with comments earlier though, just look at the level of voting compared to 00. I do wonder if our market is shrinking, or is suffering lack of available funds.
Graham
I think our average age is increasing and our eyesight is deteriorating.
When I speak to people at shows changing scale its always to a larger scale due to eyesight.
Has there not been an N Gauge wishlist since 2016 ?
RMWEB is not including N gauge in it's 2018 poll.
Should there be an N gauge poll?
Ian
Quote from: ODRAILS on October 13, 2018, 12:12:20 AM
Has there not been an N Gauge wishlist since 2016 ?
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RMWEB is not including N gauge in it's 2018 poll.
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Should there be an N gauge poll?
Ian
Heck yes! :thumbsup:
I find navigating the RMweb forum a nightmare with no way that i can see of looking at just N Gauge related posts.
Is there a wey to do this?
Craig
Why don't we set up our own poll?
My vote for locos would be any Southern 4-6-0, King Arthur, Lord Nelson, H15, or S15 (the SR is the only grouping company with no N gauge 4-6-0 RTR --and only 2 dated kits)
@Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)
Having run a couple of wishlist polls on this forum I'd be happy to run another one (it's been 5 years since the last one) but would appreciate some steers from the Admin Team as to how best to let everyone vote i.e. separate thread purely for votes only?
Previously we have had sections for 'Steam', 'Diesel', 'Electric Locos', 'DMUs' and 'EMUs' and folks have 5 votes to spread over their desired sections e.g. Dorset Mike might have 4 steam and 1 EMU.
For ease, I suggest DEMU's are placed in either the DMU or EMU section
Dependant on this being OK with the membership I'll draw up some basic rules and, once we have the results, send copies to the likes of Farish, Dapol and DJM.
It's worth bearing in mind voting for something really obscure will not help get something made so votes should really be for something with a chance of being popular enough to manufacture by mainstream manufacturers.
Good idea. Class 28(COBO) & Unrebuilt Patriot are top of my list.
Excellent :beers: Thanks.
I would offer to help but software/websites and me have a mutual misunderstandng :dunce:
No help needed, Graham. :no:
Once the poll starts I'd just collect votings in an Excel spreadsheet.
Quote from: Dalek on October 13, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
I find navigating the RMweb forum a nightmare with no way that i can see of looking at just N Gauge related posts.
Is there a wey to do this?
Craig
No, except obvious sub-forums like the Farish one.
It is a shame they're not doing the N gauge one, but I wouldn't want to orchestrate it, so I understand why they aren't.
Maybe it's RMWeb's acknowledgment they are not the number one in N gauge matters
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 13, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
Maybe it's RMWeb's acknowledgment they are not the number one in N gauge matters
:NGF:
I think the Wishlist poll is a good idea as it allows us as modellers to express our wishes as to what we would like.
This in turn may be used by manufacturers when looking/deciding on a new model. Perhaps the impending Stanier 8f is a result of a Wishlist?
A couple of years back a Wishlist showed that TPOs were up amongst the top few favourites amongst voters. The NGS of which I was a member for some time (until recently) asked at some point later what members would like to see as a members special commission.
I contacted a committee member in the NGS hierarchy and said about the TPOs coming out quite high up. I emphasised that there was scope for many of these long lived carriages to be done in big four, B.R. crimson/maroon, and blue and grey liveries. The reply I received said he didn't think there would be much appeal for them.
On the strength of this I don't think the NGS are particularly interested in wider Wishlist polls, preferring their own method of arriving at what to commission. That said, and in all fairness the Collett Full Brake is a superb model, along with the Stove R and Inspection saloon. I believe they all sold well.
Some truth to this, @trkilliman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2838), but I'm always surprised by the way the major manufacturers seem to avoid the obviously popular picks, and instead go for really obscure stuff. How often has the Class 117 DMU topped the N-gauge list? But instead Dapol decide we need a prototype HST.
Of course sometimes their choices are inspired and welcome -- the SECR 'Birdcage' stock for example hardly seems to satisfy some pent-up demand, but the fact they exist opens up new possibilities.
So I'm not sure wish lists accomplish much, even though they're fun to read through!
Cheers, NeMo
Quote from: trkilliman on October 13, 2018, 02:29:31 PM
I think the Wishlist poll is a good idea as it allows us as modellers to express our wishes as to what we would like.
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 05:12:26 PM
Another cheap shot at Dapol by you.
Fair enough, but why "another"? When was my first? And why "cheap"? No offence was intended, and if you chose to take offence on behalf of Dapol, then I'm sorry about that.
As I also said, sometimes these imaginative choices turn out to be great, like the SECR 'Birdcage' stock, or the Arnold 'Brighton Belle', or for that matter Dapol's Class 86, flying in the face of received wisdom that AC electrics don't sell.
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 05:12:26 PM
Also why would they spend there time/money on the Class 117 when Bachmann have already done the research and could shrink ray their OO gauge model in less time than it would take Dapol.
In lots of ways their Class 121 shares many details with the Class 117. While I admit that a Class 117 isn't as simple as cutting the cab off two Class 121s and sticking a couple carriages in between, it wouldn't be massively more difficult either.
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 05:12:26 PM
Personally I would prefer to have a model of the Prototype HSDT
It's certainly a welcome addition to the range of N gauge models out there.
Cheers, NeMo
Out of curiosity do Oxford diecast ever issue a wish-list, or has anyone ever created one ?
I ask as there have been several occasions when people have bemoaned the fact that there are several gaps in their range, albeit extensive.
It's not the era I model but I do think those who model the 70s and 80s could really do with some vehicles...Allegros, Maxis, Marinas, Capris etc etc. A start has been made I believe with a later Cortina, but there is a mass of scope for this time period.
So, another area of our modelling where a wishlist might have some impact...or not.
I must say I thought the prototype HST was an odd choice as well. Thanks for explaining.
I would have thought an N gauge poll would be easier than oo, especially for locos. In oo I think all the mainstream locos have been done and so have a lot of not so mainstream. In N there are plenty of mainstream locos left to make. GW County, 63xx and Ivatt 4mt immediately spring to mind but there are many others. There are also a number of locos that were made in N many years ago but look too had to use these days such as the large prairie. I would like a large prairie but the old Farish one is just not good enough to my eyes no matter how cheap it is.
If there is a poll could I suggest a section for new liveries on current models as this is a relatively easy win for manufacturers. For instance a Gresley buffet car in blue and grey would be useful to me at least as they were used in that livery in the West country.
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 05:32:14 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 13, 2018, 01:39:38 PM
Maybe it's RMWeb's acknowledgment they are not the number one in N gauge matters
The poll is run by a group of volunteers on RMWeb headed up by Brian Macdermott. The volunteers main interest is in OO gauge. They reported that the N gauge section of the poll was taking 70% off their time but only received 20% of the votes. So reluctantly they have decided not to continue with the N Gauge poll.
It's not a competition as to who is number 1 in N gauge matters. Why do some members on here have to be so negative towards the RMWeb, after all we are all railway modellers?
I don't read RMWeb. I know nothing about them. My comment was tongue in cheek.
Kindly remove yourself from my back.
You will also see in reply #70 I
volunteered to do an N gauge poll so does that make me as good as Brian McDermott and his merry men? Dunno why I bothered now. ::)
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 13, 2018, 09:07:14 PM
Kindly remove yourself from my back.
Such a nice comment from a Moderator from a so called family friendly forum?
Here's a nice comment from an Admin - stop winding the membership up with your posts. Thank you.
Quote from: Tank on October 15, 2018, 07:05:16 AM
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 13, 2018, 09:07:14 PM
Kindly remove yourself from my back.
Such a nice comment from a Moderator from a so called family friendly forum?
Here's a nice comment from an Admin - stop winding the membership up with your posts. Thank you.
Well said.
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Dalek on October 13, 2018, 11:35:51 AM
I find navigating the RMweb forum a nightmare with no way that i can see of looking at just N Gauge related posts.
Is there a wey to do this?
Craig
This will give you all posts that are tagged as N Gauge (regardless of which board they are posted on)
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/N%2BGauge/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/N%2BGauge/)
and those tagged as 2mm
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/2mm/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/2mm/)
and those tagged as DCC
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/DCC/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/tags/forums/DCC/)
There are some excellent topics on there and some cross posts with this forum
Brill thanks, i will give them a go :thumbsup:
Craig
IME the tagging isn't widely used though, I suspect you'll miss huge amounts of relevant content if you rely on that.
Layouts like "this is Euston (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/98901-this-is-euston/)" is actually 2mm FS, so doesn't have an N gauge tag (I've just checked), but if you're into AC electrics and c1990 operation it's like heaven, and built to a stunning standard!
Likewise Banbury (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/50172-banbury-in-n-scale-block-detection-now-being-installed/), which is a superb layout, uses "N Scale" as the tag, rather than N Gauge. Obviously as per Lindi's comment you can look for N scale, 2mm, N-gauge etc which will pick up some others, but it doesn't look for partial matches on tags.
At risk of committing heresy I find the layout content better on RMWeb, although I still post here more.
Quote from: njee20 on October 15, 2018, 09:08:39 AM
At risk of committing heresy I find the layout content better on RMWeb, although I still post here more.
I've informed the Witchfinder General and he asks how you like yourself - raw, medium or well cooked? >:D
Quote from: Lindi on October 13, 2018, 12:51:07 PM
A comment from Andy York on RMWeb
"the generosity they make by offering their previous work. I understood this was done through appropriate channels to the NGS so any lack of enthusiasm would seem to be from the NGS rather than the poll team."
So it seems like the NGS was to take over the N gauge poll but haven't done anything
Please see this thread, here, for clarification:
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138354-n-gauge-poll/?p=3330454 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/138354-n-gauge-poll/?p=3330454)
Hello all,
Apologies for the essay but....
At the Great Electric Train Show at the weekend I arranged to meet Brian McDermott, the organiser of the annual poll, to discuss how an N gauge version might be resurrected.
Whatever your views about different forums, magazines or other outlets I think it IS a useful exercise, and I am sure it is watched by the manufacturers.
In my view the poll needs to reach the widest number of people to be considered effective. Brian confirmed Lindi's comment that for his group - nearly all 00 enthusiasts - trying to create the N Gauge poll was taking up way too much time, and they acknowledge their lack of expertise was a big part of this.
Brian has said that to create an N Gauge poll probably needs a small time of around 4-5 people and a project manager to coordinate the team and the results.
To maximise the reach, and hopefully minimise any feelings of being marginalised, there is no reason links to the voting pages could not be posted here and in the NGS Journal if its editor is amenable.
So where is the hard work?
Brian's key point is that it's pointless just asking modellers to make suggestions; the list needs focus. So the main job for the team is to come up with a sensible shortlist. This means looking at available complementary items - rolling stock in the case of locos, locos in the case of coaches and wagons - and seeing what would be popular and would go with them. So, for example, if you know that Farish are just releasing their Birdcage stock the wish list team should identify what locos pulled them and decide whether any should be included in the list.
This is the area where their lack of N gauge knowledge was causing trouble - for every choice they were spending hours combing the web trying to find the right combinations. For those of us familiar with any given era or region, that knowledge is probably already present.
So the team should probably include a balance of members with, between them, expertise in a broad range of eras and regions.
If anyone is serious about volunteering then please PM me and I will put you in touch with Brian who will happily talk you through it, and email his notes based on his experience of running it for several years.
Cheers
Ben A.
Quote from: Ben A on October 15, 2018, 10:18:54 AM
This is the area where their lack of N gauge knowledge was causing trouble - for every choice they were spending hours combing the web trying to find the right combinations. For those of us familiar with any given era or region, that knowledge is probably already present.
That's the important bit to me, Ben. The expertise is already here on the forum so why spend hours in research? I'd like to think if someone is suggesting an item they have some knowledge of it. If it is as easy as collating all votes into a spreadsheet up to a closing date and then summarising the sheet then I'm perfectly happy to do it, but I do not have the time/knowledge to trawl t'interweb. I think it's being overcomplicated, sorry.
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 15, 2018, 10:27:52 AMThe expertise is already here on the forum so why spend hours in research? I'd like to think if someone is suggesting an item they have some knowledge of it. If it is as easy as collating all votes into a spreadsheet up to a closing date and then summarising the sheet then I'm perfectly happy to do it, but I do not have the time/knowledge to trawl t'interweb. I think it's being overcomplicated, sorry.
Absolutely - that's their point too. It was taking them lots of time to research stuff that poll team members could/should already know, and N gauge enthusiasts probably would know.
I don't know if it's being over-complicated or not; I think that Brian's methodology has been arrived at after several years of doing this, and lots of lessons learned. I'd strongly suggest that anyone who wants to take this project on just speaks to him and has a skim read of his notes before coming to a final view.
Cheers
Ben A.
I've just offered my support on post privitisation matters, and I completed the OO gauge wishlist (which comprised a few things I selfishly would like because they may get scaled down or I'd buy just because), but my comment to Ben was why Brian et al don't just use the OO gauge list, removing the handful of items we already have (I don't know if it's different on earlier eras) and supplementing those we don't that are available in OO.
That is likely a gross over simplification though!
I don't have much in the way of in depth knowledge, but I'd have thought a good reference/starting point would be the last published wishlist results. I mean, you can stick 'The Twins' on for a start as they are usually top of the list.
I suspect a lot of the 'hard' work is actually in the collating of results as much as anything.
Quote from: njee20 on October 15, 2018, 10:58:50 AM
my comment to Ben was why Brian et al don't just use the OO gauge list
Surely the 00 gauge wishlist cannot reflect an N gauge one inasmuch as there is so much already existing in 00 that doesn't in N? I really don't think it would be of huge help. Some, yes, but not a lot.
As said before, I have run 2 such lists for the forum but only for motive power in the 5 types I mentioned. Obviously coaches and wagons could be added to the list but I dare say folks know more about their wished for motive power than for rolling stock.
That rather misses the rest of my quote where I said you'd need to supplement the items that exist in OO and not in N.
Again as I said I only know post-privitisation though really where there aren't that many items in OO that aren't available in N, particularly if we're talking powered items. I know there are lots of esoteric steam locos and early diesels which probably make it a much harder task to collate.
Quote from: njee20 on October 15, 2018, 03:19:18 PM
That rather misses the rest of my quote where I said you'd need to supplement the items that exist in OO and not in N.
I know there are lots of esoteric steam locos and early diesels which probably make it a much harder task to collate.
And that was the point I was trying to get over. I would venture roughly 50% of the locos you mention would appear on an N gauge wishlist and not on an 00 list as they already exist in that gauge. I know half of naff all about what does/doesn't exist in 00 so just believe we should let folks wish for what they want and grant they have the knowledge to know what they're wishing for.
You can't have free form on something like this, as it's just too difficult to collate any results IMO. You need to start with a defined list.
You can arrive at that list from scratch, or you can start with one you already have as a template. That may be prohibitive where there's very little overlap (or rather there is a lot in OO which isn't replicated), but again, IMO on anything from the last 20 years there aren't all that many gaps. The MPV, 87 and 90 spring to mind. Beyond that I'm struggling for powered models, although that's literally off the top of my head.
I freely ventured that I only knew about one era, and my thoughts on how I'd execute that. I've offered my support to Brian to do just that. Luckily I won't be trying to define a list on weird GWR 0-6-2s as they existed on a Thursday in November 1925!
Quote from: trkilliman on October 13, 2018, 07:41:44 PM
Out of curiosity do Oxford diecast ever issue a wish-list, or has anyone ever created one ?
The subject occurs quite frequently on here.
There is a whole Facebook Group devoted to that subject, across all scales.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/601429333223215/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/601429333223215/)
It is uncontrolled wish listing rather than a thought-through poll, so I am sure Oxford take no notice of it.
There is also a long running thread on RMWeb started by Grahame Hedges.
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116781-oxford-diecast-vehicles/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/116781-oxford-diecast-vehicles/)
Quote from: njee20 on October 15, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
You can't have free form on something like this, as it's just too difficult to collate any results IMO. You need to start with a defined list.
I fail to follow your logic at all. It is the wishers who define the list and that's not difficult to collate providing people wish for something that stands a chance of getting made by a manufacturer with minimum runs e.g it's no good wishing for a '1927 Stanwardley 6-6-2 of which 23 were made to run on the Isles of Scilly'
Sorry, but as they say on a certain programme, I'm out
But from a logistical point of view you can't just provide a free form box and say "here you go, what d'ya want?" because it's nearly impossible to collate in any meaningful sense. You need to tell people what the options are IMO.
That also means people will think "oo, yes, I would like one of those", whereas asking people "what is it that you want" will yield the one or two things they really think are critical.
It's a wishlist for N gauge toys, not an election with defined choices.
If you want it so complicated I wish you luck with it.
The implication is people know nothing so we must tell them, and that really sticks in my craw >:(
Not sure if this is how things are done already, only recently gotten back into N gauge (a couple of months) and wasn't here for the last poll.
But would the poll be categorised into era/regions?
For example, would there be a poll choice for most wanted Southern loco? (and same for other big four, blue BR/TOPs and modern categories), would mean that modellers of any given era/region would have a say on what they'd like to see without competition between the different eras/regions.
The French N gauge Forum has just completed its ninth annual wish list poll. This ran for one month from 1 to 30 September 2018. They have 10 categories with various quantities of items in each category, selected by the ones which have been popular in the past surveys but are not yet made, new suggestions from members, less the ones which have been announced for manufacture.
Very similar types are grouped, so the 5 variants of the Z2 EMU appear as one category, on the assumption that a manufacturer would tool up two bodies, but with some mixing and matching could cover at least 5 different types. So it would be a bit like including the Electric Multiple Units in the Class 507/508/313/314/315 family as one.
Each category has its own topic, and I attach a link to just one (EMUs) so you can see the layout:-
http://le-forum-du-n.forumotions.net/t30373-sondage-dsidratas-pour-2019-automotrices?highlight=sondage (http://le-forum-du-n.forumotions.net/t30373-sondage-dsidratas-pour-2019-automotrices?highlight=sondage)
Members can vote for as many items as they wish in each category, BUT the criterion is that you would buy your choice if released. Obviously that is a matter of honour, and honesty, but judging by the number of votes in each category, I do not suspect that people deliberately abuse the rule. The Forum has 1070 members who have posted in the past 12 months, and 555 members who have posted since the survey began. This latter category will have been directly exposed to the poll.
Their categories reflect the French market and are not directly applicable to the UK, but also focus largely on motive power. The categories are:-
Steam locomotives (23 choices)
Diesel locomotives (15)
Electric locomotives - 1.5kV (12)
Electric locomotives - 25kV (6)
Electric locomotives - multi-voltage (7)
Electric Multiple Units - including hybrids (17)
Diesel Multiple Units (18)
Passenger coaches (16)
Freight rolling stock (25)
Departmental, shunters and other service stock (15)
154 items in total to be voted for.
So the poll is a distillation of what is likely to be made if it polls well, rather than a scattergun approach that aims to list every possible option.
One of the problems I found with the N gauge incarnation of the RMWeb poll was that there was too much listed, which:-
1) made it a very time consuming exercise to complete, despite being allowed multiple sittings;
2) Made it very easy to miss things in the reams of lists.
The 2016 results are linked here, which I think illustrates the number of choices, and the 900 in this .pdf are just the ones people voted for.
I always complete the French survey in all the categories which interest me, in a fairly painless way.
Whoever takes on the poll I would suggest reducing the range of items listed in total, and subdividing them into manageable categories rather than having a single all embracing poll, albeit split by type of equipment/operating company as it was in the RMWeb poll.
Definitely useful information if enough people fill it in. As Mike and Nick have hinted at - the difficulty is the balance between making it simple enough for people to fill in and simple and consistent enough to actually be able to analyse the results.
If you let people submit free form then you potentially get a. mixture of inconsistent data eg someone writes 142, another writes Pacer, another writes Skipper and another writes Class 142 - you then have to rely on whoever is pulling together the data to know that all are the same thing; and b. if you only ask for say the top 5 things to make the data manageable do you then miss out on less "glamorous" wishes.
Certainly a difficult one (and I definitely don't have the answers). FWIW I always thought Brian and his team did a good job of a mammoth task and I don't doubt that they need some N gauge volunteers to help. So if you've got a bit of time and knowledge why not volunteer to Brian - I'm sure he'd welcome the help.
Cheers, Mike
That's exactly my point Mike (edit: I meant Woodbury, but also red_death, with whom I also agree), thanks, and I totally agree.
If people want a wish list then start a sticky thread on here - @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) you're a mod - why not just create one? People can just stick what they want in there and everyone's happy. It's a bit of fun.
If you want something the manufactures may take heed of then you need a modicum of focus. Whilst a 'free for all' wish list thread may yield some popular choices it'll be totally lost in the noise and people making super obscure suggestions.
I may be rather simple if rmweb can provide the data form they used as the basis for their questionnaire two years ago. even the full results from the pdf will provide data to start the format. This would also make survey more consistent in comparison to others.
Of course some would need to be removed from this and some added. As an example I think a greslely V2 was missing from the list.
Graham
Quote from: leachsprite4 on October 15, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
I may be rather simple if rmweb can provide the data form they used as the basis for their questionnaire two years ago. even the full results from the pdf will provide data to start the format. This would also make survey more consistent in comparison to others.
Of course some would need to be removed from this and some added. As an example I think a greslely V2 was missing from the list.
Graham
Hello,
As I said in my previous posting, all this sort of stuff is in the crib sheets and notes created over several years by the poll team, and the team are happy to talk through any questions or thoughts those involved may have. They just don't have the time/expertise to actually *do* it themselves.
And in terms of how it works and how the information is decided on and presented - that is for the team that emerges from this process to decide.
For now, what we really need is volunteers ready to investigate the idea. I have had some interest already so I'm hopeful that we can move forward positively.
cheers
Ben A.
Hi All,
Well I will try to avoid going down the rabbit hole that wish lists can create! But when it comes to selecting models to go onto a wish list they need to be simplified. The truth is that in OO you can more options as the market is about 4 times larger than N gauge (Figures I have heard is 80,000 active OO vs 20,000 N gauge), so the OO market will support a wider spread of models and wishes on any poll.
My take on what has been said is to limit each of the following to 10 choices each:
Steam Locomotives
Diesel Locomotives
Electric Locomotives
Diesel Multiple Units
Electric Multiple Units
But 20 of each for:
Coaches
Wagons.
The reason I split it this simply is that if you start going down the rabbits hole of era region, and livery then it makes it over complicated and there is not a large enough market to start going down that route.
In addition to the size of the market should we start going down the route of opening the options, then it dilutes any poll as it will show 20 of one 4 of another 6 of the last. Where as limiting the options means the figures will be more directed to specific models so the above numbers will show as 30 against a specific model in such a poll.
When it comes to which items to involve in the poll this becomes a much more complicated matter which no doubt will always leave some people unhappy, but I would have thought a good starting place will be to use the models that have been / are currently / due to arrive. However there is a limitation to that, this been that the models have have been produced within say 10 years.
In addition to this we shouldn't exclude from the poll older models that need retooling such as the Class 45 or indeed a current model in a new livery (Class 60 a good example as the 10 Colas examples are now owned by GBRF)
These are just my thoughts and no doubt I should now prepare for incoming fire there for Helmet and Body armour are going on! :smiley-laughing:
Personally I would keep it really simple. Identify say the 10 most likely prospects in each category and then allow just one choice. The times of manufacturers producing multiple models in a given year in each category is gone so pointless making it too wide-ranging. Then have just one "other" choice that would require manual collation.
By way of an example, steam locos, 10 choices (for illustratrive purposes only): -
Crab
Stanier Mogul
Princess Class
61xx Prairie
94xx Pannier
Rebuilt Bullied Light Pacific
King Arthur
K3
ROD 02
L1 Tank Loco
Other
Pick just one. If nothing takes your fancy, and you have no "other" choice move on to the next category..
I really do think that if those on RM Web are for their own reasons not pursuing a wishlist for N, something should be done by us on N Gauge Forum. Producing nothing would send all the wrong signals. Maybe a group of members could produce a list each for a specific category then pull together the results collectively?
Roy
I personally would've gone with only 5 locos per category (pick from top five most wanted), but have it arranged as such:
One poll each for each grouping (so SR/GWR/LMS and LNER)
Blue BR/TOPS
Sector/Private
Modern
I wouldn't suggest anything for liveries till one each has been selected for each category, while it would be a broader range but with less options to pick from but at least gives more choice to pick something you might be interested in.
But how do you know the top 5 most wanted? I think it's got to be a longer short list than that, and definitely not at the level of livery. You're trying to get to the top 5, not tell people what it is. It's a middle ground between "here are what we think you want" and "here's every prototype ever". Ideally you don't want anything with no votes, as that suggests it's not popular. You're not looking for a single "winner" in each category either - you're simply looking to show what the modelling fraternity want. That may mean two LNER locos and a modern wagon get 50 votes, while nothing else gets more than 10. That's fine, it's not a competition in and of itself.
I definitely don't think you should limit choices to one per category either. I don't care about steam locos, there's nothing I want. No coaching stock either, and even diesels I think are covered off. However there are various rakes of wagons that I'd buy if they became available - JHAs, MRAs, KSAs etc etc, and choosing one risks distorting the feedback, which is precisely what you need to avoid.
Mike's spot on that it needs to be considered an expression of interest too - if these things were released you'd buy one (or more), not that you quite like the prototype, but you'd never have one.
:hellosign:
This is really easy, no need for a poll :smiley-laughing:
LMS twins, Class 28 Co-Bo and the streamlined coronation class and matching coaches
then the next year
DP2, Class A tankers, GWR railcar multiple unit
then
Class 17 Clayton, Class 21/29, Class 15/16
etc
Job done :o :sorrysign: :D
Quote from: Dalek on October 16, 2018, 08:24:16 AM
This is really easy, no need for a poll:
LMS twins, Class 28 Co-Bo and the streamlined coronation class and matching coaches
then the next year
DP2, Class A tankers, GWR railcar multiple unit
then
Class 17 Clayton, Class 21/29, Class 15/16
I'd agree with this. Let's go! Brian
It may not count but the twins, Co Bo, 15/16, DP2 are available as resin bodies, (would love the co bo mind.)
Then there's shapeways 3d prints does this dilute the chances?
Not likely but class 76/77 would be nice.....although again shapeways do a couple of versions.
304, 310, 323, Electrostar. Couldn't hold it in any longer....... :sorrysign:
Cheers Jon :)
I think it should generally apply to mass market RTR only. So anything available in kit form is still fair game for the list, after all, pretty much everything is available in some guise if you're happy doing some building!
My take on doing an N gauge wish list poll this year would be to take the 2016 poll, remove anything that's been announced or released and just use that list. Any new additions to the poll can then be debated for a poll in 2019 or 2020.
I have put myself forward to assist with an N gauge poll, although I don't know if my help will be necessary.
Quote from: BramptonBranch on October 16, 2018, 12:51:53 PM
It may not count but the twins, Co Bo, 15/16, DP2 are available as resin bodies, (would love the co bo mind.)
Then there's shapeways 3d prints does this dilute the chances?
I don't want to sound harsh or offensive but... the current crop of RTR are far superior in detail and quality, unless your a master builder of these kits and i'm not. Plus with RTR you possibly get sound from the factory, DCC, lights etc etc. Again all possible if you have the skills and time.
Look at the Class B tankers compared to a kit or dare i say it a Peco tanker, i know the Peco tanker isn't a kit but i think you know what i mean, its from a different planet!
So guess what i should have put was RTR versions not kits, although many people have the skills to turn out something nice i am not one of those people unfortunately.
Anyway the ones i posted are only a few of the models i'd like, also like all of the diesel prototypes, yeah i know, i will probably have to build one from a kit... :laugh: Maybe if i rub grease into my eyes my attempts would look ok ;) :D
Quote from: johnlambert on October 16, 2018, 02:00:51 PM
I have put myself forward to assist with an N gauge poll, although I don't know if my help will be necessary.
Hi John, you have a PM on RMWeb - I didn't realise you were on here!
Quote from: Dalek on October 16, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
So guess what i should have put was RTR versions not kits, although many people have the skills to turn out something nice i am not one of those people unfortunately.
Yep, agreed, and I'd add mass-market too. CJM does some stunning models, but at £600+ a throw they're outside the realm of most people's spending power!
Quote from: njee20 on October 16, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
I think it should generally apply to mass market RTR only. So anything available in kit form is still fair game for the list, after all, pretty much everything is available in some guise if you're happy doing some building!
Hi
Anything is available with drawings, photos and some plasticard :D
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: Dalek on October 16, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
Look at the Class B tankers compared to a kit or dare i say it a Peco tanker, i know the Peco tanker isn't a kit but i think you know what i mean, its from a different planet!
Hi
Revolution class B vs kit built class A & B
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/982-010918215042.jpeg)
Not a lot of difference in this case.
Cheers
Paul
Quote from: PaulCheffus on October 16, 2018, 04:00:18 PM
Anything is available with drawings, photos and some plasticard :D
That was exactly my point...
Quote from: PaulCheffus on October 16, 2018, 04:03:21 PM
Quote from: Dalek on October 16, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
Look at the Class B tankers compared to a kit or dare i say it a Peco tanker, i know the Peco tanker isn't a kit but i think you know what i mean, its from a different planet!
Hi
Revolution class B vs kit built class A & B
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/982-010918215042.jpeg)
Not a lot of difference in this case.
Cheers
Paul
Those look great Paul, well done.
I did say on my post you quoted me on
Quote from: Dalek on October 16, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
I don't want to sound harsh or offensive but... the current crop of RTR are far superior in detail and quality, unless your a master builder of these kits and i'm not. Plus with RTR you possibly get sound from the factory, DCC, lights etc etc. Again all possible if you have the skills and time.
So guess what i should have put was RTR versions not kits, although many people have the skills to turn out something nice i am not one of those people unfortunately.
Wish i had the skills, patience, time etc. Your tankers look great, :)
Craig
They do look great! And I have to ask, whose kits were they? Im always looking for different wagons....
I agree with John Lambert. We should just use the 2016 list of "finalists", limiting it to those which say got more than 35 votes last time. That would reduce it to about 300 lines, which will more than cover anything likely to be worth taking on by the manufacturers. I think everyone should get say 30 votes, across all categories, otherwise it is hard to tell what the relative popularity of say a TPO coach vs a GWR loco, or a Class 85. In 2016 the TPOs and breakdown crane came ahead of every loco except the King Arthur.
As John says, if there are things you want that are not listed, just make a note, and we can think about them next year.
I am also happy to help compiling results. :thumbsup:
So we can assume that this idea is dead....
:dunce:
I hope not. I'm unable to contribute to organising this myself, but am appreciative of those who can. :beers:
:hmmm: I wonder what a Beyer-Garratt 2-6-0-0-6-2 would have polled a week ago(?)! :D
No, it's not dead at all, its just not a trivial exercise. Not least there are lots of considerations for what should be in or out, let alone actually compiling that list.
... and.....?
And it's being looked at.
Further to the above, I can confirm that there is in place a small team at present (expected to grow in number) concerned with a resurrected N Gauge Wishlist Poll. This has the approval, of sorts, of the previous Poll team who are now concerned exclusively with OO gauge items.
Although the project, and the team, is in its infancy, we have the benefit of some very knowledgeable people on board and a start to the Poll lists has already been made, using those from the 2016 poll.
I must stress that the N Gauge Wishlist Poll is NOT affiliated in anyway with the N Gauge Society
Best
Scott (N Gauge Wishlist Poll Team Member)
Thanks for the heads up. It's good to know that something is progressing...
...let me know when I can put 'The Twins' on the list.
Keep up the good work.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: emjaybee on November 23, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up. It's good to know that something is progressing...
...let me know when I can put 'The Twins' on the list.
Keep up the good work.
:thumbsup:
Already there, Sir! ;)
Best
Scott (N Gauge Wishlist Poll Team Member)
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 23, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 23, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up. It's good to know that something is progressing...
...let me know when I can put 'The Twins' on the list.
Keep up the good work.
:thumbsup:
Already there, Sir! ;)
Best
Scott (N Gauge Wishlist Poll Team Member)
Could save a lot of time just putting the twins proposal to any manufacturer that would listen and produce it, I'm up for two (funnily enough) :smiley-laughing:
Craig
Quote from: Dalek on November 23, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on November 23, 2018, 09:58:29 AM
Quote from: emjaybee on November 23, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Thanks for the heads up. It's good to know that something is progressing...
...let me know when I can put 'The Twins' on the list.
Keep up the good work.
:thumbsup:
Already there, Sir! ;)
Best
Scott (N Gauge Wishlist Poll Team Member)
Could save a lot of time just putting the twins proposal to any manufacturer that would listen and produce it, I'm up for two (funnily enough) :smiley-laughing:
Craig
They seem to poll exceptionally high every time yet we get offered Kings, Gas Turbines, AP flippin' T's, some brown thing that looks like a turbocharged turd,
mongrels moguls, and now a Beyer-Garratt, you name it...
...everything except 'The Twins'!
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