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Title: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: guest6298 on August 31, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
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Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
isn't it typical.

We've already had an E6003 with a SYP. Now we get the same loco without a SYP. Why couldn't Gaugemaster do one that had not been done before.
I definitely may have to get it.
And I definitely will have E6039 - a much needed livery if I may say so. Much better than Dapol's E6033 which only wore Banger Blue for a short time from 1971-1974.

Just hope they get these older liveries right. They seem to do OK with the modern liveries but they have not been so good with Broadlands for example.

Grrrrr....

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on August 31, 2018, 06:46:25 PM
that's good news then

I've ordered one

tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on August 31, 2018, 07:31:52 PM
Quote from: Lindi on August 31, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
..
GM2210205 - 73212 Network Rail Yellow

(http://www.gaugemaster.com//media/wysiwyg/articles/guides/GM2210205.jpg)
...

:bounce: Saves me having to respray a 'Brighton Evening Argus'.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: potts on August 31, 2018, 07:43:52 PM
I just hope there better than the last batch.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: robert shrives on August 31, 2018, 08:23:27 PM
2 yellow and one dutch seem likely purchases.
Robert
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 31, 2018, 09:49:15 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on August 31, 2018, 06:46:25 PM
that's good news then

I've ordered one

tim

How did you manage that, Tim?
I've gone onto their site and tried to order a green one and nothing happens at all ???
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
Worked OK for me.
But it was hard to find the basket (rather strangely it was on the left, halfway down)

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:04:29 PM
Also please note the models they showed must be Dapol OO ones.

Just hope they get the colours right - Dapol warning panel yellow in OO is rubbish - in N on the 33s and Westerns its OK.
I cant figure the inconsistency.

Bob

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 31, 2018, 10:05:42 PM
Sorted now thanks. What a weird site. I kept pressing 'Order' thinking a new page would open as I had not seen the Shopping Cart on the left in small type. Before I knew it, I'd ordered 15 of 'em!
Their order numbers are easily remembered too, eh?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on August 31, 2018, 10:06:55 PM
I'd be up for a Green one however, is it actually a JA Electro-Diesel? The JA's had a different side window/grill arrangement to the JB variant. Less noticeable differences were that the bogies were different and I think that the JB had an extra MU jumper at the ends. The original JA was a home grown BR product whereas the JB was an English Electric product.

(The original Green special from the Signal Box was near enough a JA for my eyesight).

(Out of interest: The JA's were originally SR coach Green to match rolling stock and carried the corresponding coach roundel).

Martin
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: davidinyork on August 31, 2018, 10:17:49 PM
Have Dapol actually ever produced the tooling variations for the JAs?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on August 31, 2018, 10:06:55 PM
I'd be up for a Green one however, is it actually a JA Electro-Diesel? The JA's had a different side window/grill arrangement to the JB variant. Less noticeable differences were that the bogies were different and I think that the JB had an extra MU jumper at the ends. The original JA was a home grown BR product whereas the JB was an English Electric product.

(The original Green special from the Signal Box was near enough a JA for my eyesight).

(Out of interest: The JA's were originally SR coach Green to match rolling stock and carried the corresponding coach roundel).

Martin

You are absolutely right. We will get the plastic revised JA DCC ready chassis, because that's what people want (quote unquote) which can't pull the skin off a rice pudding, but what body we get will be a lottery. Dapol did the JB first but i think Signal Box had the exclusivity on the JA mould with its different window/grill/MU jumpers (possibly until they went bust).

I've already rejected one Gaugemaster version - the Broadlands in Executive livery which looked like stripey toothpaste. Sickly white and too dark grey.

Would be good to have some interaction with GM to get it right but that doesn't seem to happen.

We can always send them back. There are enough punters who won't care if the livery/bodystyle is right or not quite right, so GM don't seem too bothered. Its always the early liveries that suffer. I guess the person who specs these up is into post 2000 liveries. GM i hope you are reading this and give us some comfort that you will get these right.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on August 31, 2018, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 31, 2018, 10:05:42 PM
Sorted now thanks. What a weird site. I kept pressing 'Order' thinking a new page would open as I had not seen the Shopping Cart on the left in small type. Before I knew it, I'd ordered 15 of 'em!
Their order numbers are easily remembered too, eh?

:laughabovepost: Nearly spilt my Green Spot then. :beers:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 01, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
I've always wanted a green one but never thought they'd come round again.
Now all I need is an excuse for one to turn up in Oxfordshire - maybe the only thing they could lay their mitts on for a failed class 33 :D
(Not that 600hp probably hauled a great deal :hmmm:)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: robert shrives on September 01, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
Hi I recall XC hired a pair of 73s  on two occasions, the first pair expired Banbury with fire bells going. Second pair got to Brum playing a merry tune on the fire bells ... to the consternation of the station staff. - bet it cleaned the crud of the engine blocks.

Without rebuilding the 73s would never have been in the running for the sleepers - but for the models I guess we will get a repainted standard model - it basically will look the part !

Robert       
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 01, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
Sounds good to me, Robert. I'll have a suitable fire appliance standing by ;D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: BobB on September 01, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
Drat. No BR corporate blue TOPS numbered version !
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on September 01, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Quote from: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(

Due January 2019! Next year! :claphappy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 01, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
Damn!

I've just ordered mine through Gaugemaster  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on September 01, 2018, 07:43:27 PM
I don't really understand why gaugemaster are letting colletts undercut them by 20 quid on their own limited run models but I might order one from both and see what happens


Tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on September 01, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
well I have switched to colletts... and ordered both nse and dutch versions...

Tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on September 01, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(


Many thanks for the heads up Chris :thumbsup: You've just saved me a few quid!

P.S PM me to sort that wiring issue out!  ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 01, 2018, 09:34:18 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on September 01, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
well I have switched to colletts... and ordered both nse and dutch versions...

Tim
Had you placed an order with Gaugemaster then? I've e-mailed them asking if they will price match or allow me to cancel and reorder.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 01, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on September 01, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(


Many thanks for the heads up Chris :thumbsup: You've just saved me a few quid!

P.S PM me to sort that wiring issue out!  ;)

Thanks. have re-ordered from Colletts.
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 10:44:02 AM
Quote from: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 


Thanks for the tip, Tank.  Green & Electric Blue ordered with a £40 saving!

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Mark on September 02, 2018, 10:44:02 AM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Mark on September 02, 2018, 10:44:02 AM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.

Thanks Bob, guess we'll see what comes out of the lucky dip in January.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: JBQFC on September 02, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Dapol do have a molding for a 73/0 i have 73002 in blue which has the extra details

John
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: Lindi on September 02, 2018, 12:06:41 PM
Quote from: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
isn't it typical.

We've already had an E6003 with a SYP. Now we get the same loco without a SYP. Why couldn't Gaugemaster do one that had not been done before.

Bob


It's possible somebody asked Gaugemaster to produce this livery/number. When they announced the previous run of Class 73 they asked for suggestions for future liveries

Check the bottom of this web page where they said they would be doing future runs and requested suggestions for liveries.  http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/guides/br-class-73.html (http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/guides/br-class-73.html)

It is also one that Dapol has done in OO, so they've got the livery details already.

I just don't understand the Dapol Digest statement now! As GM are seemingly doing both JA and JB variants???
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: Lindi on September 02, 2018, 12:01:25 PM
Quote from: Mark on September 02, 2018, 11:15:03 AM
Quote from: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 11:03:45 AM
Quote from: Mark on September 02, 2018, 10:44:02 AM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.

Thanks Bob, guess we'll see what comes out of the lucky dip in January.

Why don't you email Gaugemaster to see what mould they are using?

Have emailed Gaugemaster - when they reply I'll post an update.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: kerrcophony on September 02, 2018, 07:03:13 PM
These are really nice models.  E6003 is preserved on the Swindon & Cricklade Railway (near me) so I may go for this (although my layout plans revolve around BR Blue Hydraulics).  The BR Blue one is very fetching too.  What a shame that there isn't another run of the Pullman livery which seems to be almost universally popular.

The Colletts price is very competitive.  It even beats the current Dapol InterCity Special Offer!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: ohlavache on September 03, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
I just ordered my green E6003 !
:bounce:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on September 03, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 03, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on September 01, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
Damn!

I've just ordered mine through Gaugemaster  :veryangry:
RESULT  :claphappy:
I sent an e-mail to Gaugemaster explaining how incompetent I was and they have agreed to cancel my order with them.

I have now ordered via Colletts  :beers:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 03, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on September 03, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin

Martin

That's what we wanted to hear! And my GM order was cancelled this morning and I have two coming from Collette too.

Hurrah!
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 03, 2018, 06:00:16 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on September 03, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin

Yes - good news!

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 03, 2018, 06:33:31 PM
Just picked up on this thread, darn it!

Despite my promise to self of 'no more locos' I rather fancied a green one.

Looks like Colletts may have sold out of the green livery 73's. Happily I do have one in Pullman livery Royal Alex (£70 when purchased) so will have to be content with that.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2018, 03:36:49 PM
If Colletts are beginning to sell out, Hattons are advertising them all at £85.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 04, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Added a green 73 to my order today with Colletts. No problem.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: njee20 on September 04, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
You can cancel an online order up to 14 days after delivery for no reason whatsoever, so if Gaugemaster had refused, or told you they needed to charge a 'restocking fee' or there was a 'non-refundable deposit' or any such rubbish then they can't do that. Not suggesting GM would ever do that, but a lot of online retailers do try that sort of thing.

If it's already been delivered to you then you may be responsible for the return shipping, but that's it.

These do look good, I've seen the GBRF 73s a few times, including one at the Bluebell Railway diesel gala last year, so perhaps one will find its way into my collection.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 04, 2018, 04:46:32 PM
Tried Colletts again and got to place a pre-order fro the green livery.

Not sure if I should have done that with CoT due from Colin Heard in the next few weeks.

Perhaps I can say the 73 is a late Christmas present!

Dave G

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
To clarify some points in previous posts:

the GM2210201 - E6003 Green model is a JA - Dapol have previously produced this model with the same number and livery as a Special Edition for Signal Box Models (Kent), and as 73 001 in Rail Blue with FYE in the Cargowaggon train set.

the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 04, 2018, 09:38:15 PM
I'm sure that Photo is in rail blue as the JB doesn't have a white roof
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: Lindi on September 04, 2018, 09:26:58 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.

From E6017 onwards (those outshopped in BR Blue) had the numbers in Rail Alphabet font

This picture is from 1967 showing the numbering of E6039

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8779/28252045825_d8b8ca2914_o.jpg)
Picture copywrite Chris Mills on Flickr


The Gaugemaster model has the original font used by British Railways

Yes, they've got the number font wrong as well. You have to get photos of your loco at the time you want to model it to get it right. I have a photo of my E6009 in original blue livery and it has British Rail font (as in the E6039 image above) and no double-arrows, hence:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-040918235522.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 05, 2018, 09:11:28 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
To clarify some points in previous posts:

the GM2210201 - E6003 Green model is a JA - Dapol have previously produced this model with the same number and livery as a Special Edition for Signal Box Models (Kent), and as 73 001 in Rail Blue with FYE in the Cargowaggon train set.

the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.

Thanks very much for sharing this information. 

Did any JBs carry Electric Blue with arrows and original BR Font or is the livery a complete (mis)invention?  What about numbers up to E6006? Just wondering if a simple number change might solve the problem or if it needs a new colour and font. 

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 05:40:58 PM
E6001-06 were JA's and were introduced in Green with grey solebar line, no yellow panel, British Railways Carriage Roundel and British Railways font. E6001 had the yellow panel originally but it was painted out soon after. All of them got SYP later on. They then went straight to Rail Blue with full yellow ends, double arrows and British Rail font at first major overhaul.

E6007-13 (JBs) were introduced in the lighter blue (not Electric Blue, which was even lighter) with grey solebar line, small yellow panel and British Railways font, most of them had double arrows, but E6009 for one had at some time the British Rail font, and no arrows until someone noticed... These later received Rail Blue with full yellow ends and British Rail font.

E6014-49 (JBs) were introduced in Rail Blue with small yellow panel, double arrows and British Rail font, receiving full yellow ends later. E6018 ran experimentally with full yellow ends which wrapped round to the leading edge of the cab door between mid-1967 and mid-1969.

All the EDLs were originally outshopped with roof painted white (or very light grey).

With respect to the Gaugemaster E6039, the image on their webpage looks deep enough to be Rail Blue, which will make it OK, but it needs running numbers in the British Rail font. If it's in the lighter blue, then it needs a grey solebar stripe and can be renumbered to one of E6007/08/10-13, using the same font.

EDIT: I have finally been able to get hold of my reference materials and have been able to calm my querolous mind regarding the cut-off between the livery batches of the JBs. Corrections are in bold above.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Ted on September 06, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
Quick newb question, are GM models manufacturered by them or are they rebodied Dapol or Farish?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
As far as I understand, Gaugemaster have bought the patterns, moulds, etc., off Dapol and are using these to source their own production, or Dapol are using these to manufacture the models on behalf of Gaugemaster.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on September 06, 2018, 11:29:29 PM
Is it not simply a case of Gaugemaster commissioning Dapol to "make me X number of models, of loco Y, in (exclusive to me) livery Z"? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:44:03 PM
It could be, but there was an official reply on the Dapol Digest forum which said that while they could produce either variant in OO, in N the JB production were exclusive to Gaugemaster. The follow-up question that Gaugemaster had purchased the JB tooling was not refuted. It appears that this has now been extended to the JAs.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:54:49 PM
Some images to illustrate our predicament 50-odd years later, where colour pictures were then a rarity and memories are failing...

E3028 in what I remember as 'Electric Blue' in 1960 - E3050 and the one at the other end are in a darker shade, or a trick of the light?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456400@N04/15734898347 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456400@N04/15734898347)

E6009 in 1966 - definitely not 'Electric Blue' but is it a lighter version of Rail Blue (see the cab front, which is more the colour I remember as the light EDL blue)?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-060918233226.jpeg)

E6012 in 1967 - note the British Rail font. This looks like Rail Blue, until you see the colour of the 4TC behind it - and that should be in Rail Blue. This photo is very dark.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-060918233524.jpeg)

E6018 in 1967, showing its experimental livery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6498743257/in/photostream (https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6498743257/in/photostream)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 07, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
KMRC are also offering the 73s.

Here's the green livery version:

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60507/GM2210201-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6003 (http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60507/GM2210201-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6003)

Five quid (ish) more than Colletts.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 07, 2018, 02:23:06 PM
Rails are showing £84.50
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: violets49 on September 07, 2018, 04:11:17 PM
Looks like a nice model and the price seems reasonable. (In comparison to other recent models) I was passed by a 73 ambling along the G&PJR in the Glasgow Direction on Wednesday. From whence it came, I know not. Normally they are only seen around Central station or Polmadie. I'll maybe just wait until the 'Caledonian sleeper' version comes out! :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 11, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 11, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:

I got in touch with Gaugemaster whose response is...............................


    Dear Sir,

    These have now unfortunately been put back to March, whilst we carry out changes and check to ensure the best model we can.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on January 14, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
Hope they don't keep you waiting Mick but my Royal Alex was very late and I made several 'where is it?' type enquiries over best part of a year. The availability info was from what Dapol had told GM.

Consolation was that it's a really nice loco when it finally did get here and the original price was held.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
I just hope it doesn't whine loudly like 95% of my Dapol locos do, as that just makes me whine loudly :uneasy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on January 14, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
I just hope it doesn't whine loudly like 95% of my Dapol locos do, as that just makes me whine loudly :uneasy:

On the positive side, it does save you loads of dosh by not having to add sound to the beastie!  :no:

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on January 14, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
That leaves me a loco short for my new layout  :(

I guess I might have to try to convert another old 73 to dcc  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on March 12, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on January 11, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:

I got in touch with Gaugemaster whose response is...............................


    Dear Sir,

    These have now unfortunately been put back to March, whilst we carry out changes and check to ensure the best model we can.


Have been in touch with Gaugemaster again and they say "We have no additional information"
Looks like March will come and go but form your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on March 12, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
Disappointing and I know how frustrating the extended wait can be.

I think I've mentioned at some point my Royal Alex was months later than even the second or third delivery estimate.

GM wait for Dapol, who wait for .......... Godo, perhaps?

No consolation but it is a very nice loco and I think it's worth hanging on for.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on March 13, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
i have paid up front for 2 of them

if they turn up this year and both run well and have correct livery ill be happy though

i suppose a new tooling 73 will be on the cards in the next 5 or so years as well as manufacturers look around for prototypes that need new spec models and would appeal across a few eras


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 03, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
Just thought I'd bump this topic as we forgot to sing Happy Birthday when the announcement turned one year old  :(
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 03, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 03, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Patience is a virtue but ....  :(

My order placed March 2015

Chased a dozen times.

Email from GM in January 2017 to say they'd be holding the original order price (£69.95).

Loco paid for, ergo shipped 22/03/17.

Not long to go now!  :doh:

All the best.

Dave G

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2019, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 03, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)

Does anyone know anything about this project e.g have Dapol put it in their bloody pipe yet? :veryangry:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on September 30, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 30, 2019, 01:34:10 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on September 03, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)

Does anyone know anything about this project e.g have Dapol put it in their bloody pipe yet? :veryangry:

I was in the shop on Saturday and did ask about it as one of our members has a blue one on order. Still didn't have a date other than it should be here in the Autumn (on reflection they didn't say which year). Thier in store poster about it still said January 19....
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2019, 09:03:19 PM
Thanks for that. Seeing as it is now autumn I guess your comment about them not stating which year is likely to be proved correct ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on September 30, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
A group of us usually go down there every 4-6 weeks, it's an hours drive from Eastbourne but almost as quick and certainly less hassle than trying to navigate their website, so will keep pestering the sales staff whether they are actually going to be ever released.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 18, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
I sent 'em a note regarding the E6039 in Electric Blue which has a "2019" release date. In the very polite reply, Pat said that the "2019" estimate was the best they had. I told 'em that they'd better get their skates on being as it's already November.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 18, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
It's probably the right numbers, just not in the right order......... 2091 perhaps?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on November 23, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on November 18, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
It's probably the right numbers, just not in the right order......... 2091 perhaps?

I visited the shop this morning and tried my best to fathom when these elusive models may be available but left a little more confused.

(https://i.ibb.co/374crzM/20191123-113104.jpg)

The in-store promotional literature has been updated since October. Before it said the model was expected in January 2019, but now there is no release date specified.

I did interrogate a member of staff. The only painted sample of the complete loco, with bogies, is pictured below.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj3CNVH/GM2210207.jpg)

Which is nice and was likely in his view, to be the first one released. However, this BR Blue 73124 - Catalogue number GM2210207 isn't mentioned on that in-store promotional dream wish list of Class 73s either.  :doh:

To summarise, this phantom BR Blue 73, or any other Class 73 won't be out by Friday and there isn't a firm date we can expect it or any others either.







Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: monkey_brains on November 23, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: monkey_brains on November 23, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on November 23, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: monkey_brains on November 23, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

They can still legally raise the price and ask you pay the difference.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on November 23, 2019, 09:49:42 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on November 23, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
Quote from: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Quote from: monkey_brains on November 23, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

They can still legally raise the price and ask you pay the difference.

I think it's been too long for the price to remain as was. Usually you get a mail along the lines of "the price is now expected to be £***. Should this not be acceptable please cancel your order"
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 24, 2019, 09:01:29 AM
I have two on order but I've not paid a penny.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: monkey_brains on November 24, 2019, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

I've got that feeling too - they are very good value at sub £100 from most retailers
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 24, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
Quote from: monkey_brains on November 24, 2019, 11:37:08 AM
I've got that feeling too - they are very good value at sub £100 from most retailers
Rails owe you a commission :) Order placed. I fully expect it in the mail tomorrow  :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
i ordered mine from colletts (i think it was) for a competitive price but paid in full

tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 25, 2019, 11:54:51 AM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
i ordered mine from colletts (i think it was) for a competitive price but paid in full

tim
I've ordered mine from Colletts but I won't be invoiced until he knows they are on their way.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 01:05:09 PM
maybe it was another shop then! crazy isnt it but i cant remember. i had better check in my emails!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: NGS-PO on November 25, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
Quote from: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 01:05:09 PM
maybe it was another shop then! crazy isnt it but i cant remember. i had better check in my emails!

Collet's offer the option of paying up front, in instalments, or prior to despatch.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on February 01, 2020, 04:18:54 PM
I was in the shop this morning and asked if there was any progress in an approximate date when they would know what month or year this new batch of 73s might be released. I was pointed in the direction of the shop manager, who replied with his own question "how long's a piece of string?".

Lovely  :-\ ???

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
We no doubt have to wait for this to be put in the Dapol production pipeline so more a case of 'How long is a pipeline?' I have a green one on pre order but am not holding my breath :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on May 11, 2020, 07:58:19 PM
Having just taken delivery of one of the latest Dapol 33's, I'm wondering if part of the delay is that they are re engineering the chassis to take Next 18 sockets? The new 33's chassis is very different to the old one. Given how poor the DCC ready 73 chassis was compared to the old "non ready" chassis, it might, sort of, justify the wait.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on May 12, 2020, 03:30:00 AM
The wait is fine with me. My new layout build is going so slowly I think I'd be embarrased right now if I got my 73 delivered and nowhere to run it.  :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on May 12, 2020, 09:47:01 AM
if it ever materialises i wonder if it will have next18 decoder socket and independently controlled lights? also maybe with buffer beam details to add on or some other refinements... 


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 12, 2020, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:

Can understand mate, you and I have well documented views on Dapol's "pipeline" and where they can stick it.....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: Skyline2uk on May 12, 2020, 10:27:38 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:

Can understand mate, you and I have well documented views on Dapol's "pipeline" and where they can stick it.....

Skyline2uk

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a 'fragrant' Sean Connery in that pipeline somewhere ;D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 12, 2020, 10:58:09 AM
 :laughabovepost:

Or Andy Defrain....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
I emailed Colletts Models (whom I placed my order with) requesting an update, this was their reply:

"Good morning David i have asked the question at Gaugemaster and they are now saying June/July which year is the big question it has been going from one month to the next for ages best regards Leigh"

So it appears there is hope yet!  ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 12, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
My dads local model shop and got to know Leigh quite well over the last few years.

Usually always very competitive on prices and definitely happy giving him our money, at least he appreciates the sales. Alot more then some!!!!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster

Mine were about 80 quid each (£79.95 to be exact) how much were they from rails Mick?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster

Mine were about 80 quid each (£79.95 to be exact) how much were they from rails Mick?

£84.95, Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

You still got a good bargain Mick Gaugemaster are asking £99.95 each for them! (GM2210205) Also I would imagine the value has risen quite a bit as well.

You watch no doubt someone will get 500 quid for one on ebay as soon as they are avaliable!  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 01:56:07 PM
I ordered from Gaugemaster when they were announced but, of course, the forum led me to the cheaper price so I switched. Of course, the price may yet go up before it emerges from 'the pipeline' :uneasy:

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/36505/gaugemaster-collection-gm2210201-n-gauge-class-73-e6003-br-green-diesel-locomotive
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

I don't think they can do that if they have taken your credit card details.  Although the transaction does not deduct any money from your account at the time of placing your order, it is still classified as a sale and at the original purchase price.

Some years back I bought the Southern class 73's from GM and they took forever to come through also, in fact in the time period I was issued a new credit card so they had to ask for the new number, still sold to me for the original price.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
@Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668)
Dave - things take so long to come through after announcement that it must be almost impossible to hold any price and, in fact, I would not expect them to. If you look at the link to Rails they offer a price guarantee but that is only to the effect they will offer between a 15-25% discount on full RRP.
I will be pleasantly surprised if the price remains as stated, but will be paying via credit vouchers (not that they know that at the moment) :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on May 13, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
It was a fair while back now and times have changed but have to say that GM did a great job and held the original order price dated March 2015 despite a humungous wait for delivery in Feb 2017.

May be worth asking the question if not already done so.

Good luck.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 06:29:18 PM
Quote from: daveg on May 13, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
It was a fair while back now and times have changed but have to say that GM did a great job and held the original order price dated March 2015 despite a humungous wait for delivery in Feb 2017.

May be worth asking the question if not already done so.

Good luck.

Dave G

Yes in 2015 I placed an order with them for DAGM234 Class 73's and two years later then Walla! They eventually sent me the invoice for the original purchase price.....which may I add promptly paid. :)

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on July 30, 2020, 10:12:48 AM
Hattons via email:

Quote
Gaugemaster have advised that their new batch of Class 73s in N gauge, produced in partnership with Dapol, have now entered the evaluation stage. Below you can take a look at the pre-production painted bodyshell samples. Seven new variations are to be available,with liveries covering the lifespan of these unusual locomotives. We expect these models to arrive in stock by November/ December 2020.

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=860&utm_campaign=mar-0691-gaugemastercollectionclass73samples&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJpZ29vbmVyQGdteC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D (https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=860&utm_campaign=mar-0691-gaugemastercollectionclass73samples&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJpZ29vbmVyQGdteC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
Yes but they still cant post the right picture of E6039 !!!
Nice to see another in Banger Blue for once.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 30, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
I'm surprised the market can stand so many models of the 73 being produced over the years, I thought after they first came out there was a glut of unsold models? Have they now become a classic and folk have to have as many different examples as possible?

As a model I do like them actually, quite compact and with clean lines.  As many on here will know already, European N is my thing but I confess to having 4 of the original chassis 73s (acquired as part of a job lot of non-runners for £10, all now restored to health) plus a CJM Royal Alex  :D

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on July 30, 2020, 10:52:03 AM
Quote from: RailGooner on September 01, 2018, 06:12:02 PM

Due January 2019! Next year! :claphappy:

Looks like Dapol have had a Leap Year i.e. we'll leap 2019 and most of 2020.
That 'pipeline' must be of an extremely small bore ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 30, 2020, 11:23:24 AM
Looking forward to these, anything electric makes me sit up and pay attention :drool:

I had one of the original releases way back (quite possibly the first 'modern' N loco I bought?) but was never impressed by the very purple shade of NSE blue, so it went on ebay in the end.

I'm not pre-ordering any of the new ones, I'm waiting to see which liveries I find acceptable this time around 8)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Steven B on July 30, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
Are there many liveries that have yet to be done? All I can think of is Mersey Rail.

Steven B.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: Steven B on July 30, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
Are there many liveries that have yet to be done? All I can think of is Mersey Rail.

Steven B.

There are umpteen different versions of Inter City - and both that have been done (Woking Homes by Dapol AND Broadlands by Gaugemaster) were technically wrong and you couldn't sit each together as they looked so different side by side!

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 22, 2020, 07:34:41 AM
Sorry I just cant let this go, so had to post to keep this thread active!

Does anyone have any further updates or has the can been kicked further down the road again?  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
I asked the same question on the Dapol 'Digest' forum about a week ago but, needless to say, there's been no response ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Stuart7358 on August 22, 2020, 10:15:17 AM
I asked Gaugemaster yesterday and received the following;

'I apologise that the date has been pushed back, we are currently looking at the end of the year for delivery.'

This seems to tie in with the comment above regarding November/December delivery.

Stuart
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
It's not as if it's a new model. Re-liveried is all. Seems like the Westerns for Cheltenham Model Centre and Osborns may have been pushed in before it and they're only re-liveries too.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on August 22, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Personally I'm hoping that they realised they needed to rework the chassis. They reworked the 33 chassis for the Next18 decoder, perhaps they're doing the same.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 22, 2020, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 22, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
It's not as if it's a new model. Re-liveried is all. Seems like the Westerns for Cheltenham Model Centre and Osborns may have been pushed in before it and they're only re-liveries too.

Bang on there Mick, if it was new tooling being made I could sort of go along with delay, basically its a change of colour and tampo printing pads!

Maybe there is a new chassis being made based on CJM's Saturn, now that would be well worth the wait !  :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on August 23, 2020, 02:41:33 AM
Quote from: GrahamB on August 22, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Personally I'm hoping that they realised they needed to rework the chassis. They reworked the 33 chassis for the Next18 decoder, perhaps they're doing the same.
That would be nice. If I end up waiting two years or more for an old model, albeit in BR Blue with a pre-TOPS number I might not be quite so excited. I do have a reworked 33 (from CR Signals, sound fitted, what a beauty!) and it looks tremendous, so here's hoping.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
In fairness I asked about these in February on the digest and they said new deco samples were out soon - then covid hit. As soon as it loosens up, Gaugemaster start posting said samples on their Instagram account. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that Covid got in the way for the last few months.

That doesn't explain the year+ (or is it two?) delay beforehand, though. Perhaps the pre-orders have been sluggish so it's gone to the back of the pile?

It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on August 23, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
The deco sample for E6039 has never been seen, although the description has always referenced its own SKU and description. For some reason it's always the 73134 sample that is shown. 73126 and the green E6003 are also missing from the Instagram photo, but still listed at Hatton's, for example.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
Quote from: LASteve on August 23, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
Quote from: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
The deco sample for E6039 has never been seen, although the description has always referenced its own SKU and description. For some reason it's always the 73134 sample that is shown. 73126 and the green E6003 are also missing from the Instagram photo, but still listed at Hatton's, for example.

There is a photo of E6003 on their instagram account - although it doesn't look any different to the old version previously shown to be honest!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 08, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
From Dapol Digest - latest is Dec 2020.
Guess that depends if you believe in Sanity Clause
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on October 08, 2020, 02:55:27 PM
Better check with Chico, Mick!

Does that make it a 2 or 3 year wait?

Glad I've got mine  :P

Stay safe everybody!

Dave G

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 08, 2020, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 08, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
From Dapol Digest - latest is Dec 2020.
Guess that depends if you believe in Sanity Clause
I might have got some third rail laid by then, but not holding my breath!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 08, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 08, 2020, 04:24:44 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 08, 2020, 02:44:22 PM
From Dapol Digest - latest is Dec 2020.
Guess that depends if you believe in Sanity Clause
I might have got some third rail laid by then, but not holding my breath!

Well its no big deal if you don't get your 3rd rail fitted, cos these baby's are an electro-diesel locomotive.  ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 08, 2020, 09:42:51 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on October 08, 2020, 04:29:12 PM
Well its no big deal if you don't get your 3rd rail fitted, cos these baby's are an electro-diesel locomotive.  ;)
That's one heck of a gap to get gapped by though!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 09, 2020, 07:07:11 AM
Someone seems to think they'll be here soon

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Class-73-s-Collection-N-Gauge/154101573539?hash=item23e12b67a3:g:8FIAAOSwbgpfbKQn (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Class-73-s-Collection-N-Gauge/154101573539?hash=item23e12b67a3:g:8FIAAOSwbgpfbKQn)  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bornin1980something on October 10, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
Genuine question; what is the 'electric blue' used on some early 73s in the collection? Is it like the west coast electric blue, or closer to rail blue?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 11, 2020, 02:14:32 AM
Quote from: Bornin1980something on October 10, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
Genuine question; what is the 'electric blue' used on some early 73s in the collection? Is it like the west coast electric blue, or closer to rail blue?
Much closer to Rail Blue - you couldn't confuse a CL 73 with a CL 83 by color (I hope the class numbers are accurate, I grew up calling 'em E60'ers and E30'ers!)

Here's a CL 73 with a Crompton CL 33 close by for comparison with rail blue

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/6889-111020021210.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100319)

And here's the CL 83 - might be closer to the Midlands Pullman than anything else?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/6889-111020021303.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100320)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 11, 2020, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 09, 2020, 07:07:11 AM
Someone seems to think they'll be here soon

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Class-73-s-Collection-N-Gauge/154101573539?hash=item23e12b67a3:g:8FIAAOSwbgpfbKQn (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dapol-Class-73-s-Collection-N-Gauge/154101573539?hash=item23e12b67a3:g:8FIAAOSwbgpfbKQn)  :hmmm:

LOL... I noticed there wasn't any 'Brighton Evening Argus' or 'The Royal Alex' liveries in that listing.

But of course not!  :D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bealman on October 11, 2020, 09:26:54 AM
I think LASteve has nailed it in his last post.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on October 17, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Exhibit A - E6009, purported to be in "the blue that isn't electric blue" in 1966, when it was still fairly new.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-171020144721.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100643)

Exhibit B - E6009, when new. Probably a publicity picture at the English Electric works - note the '20' on accommodation bogies.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-171020145059.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100644)

I'll leave you to draw your own conclustions...
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on October 17, 2020, 03:12:02 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 11, 2020, 02:14:32 AM
Quote from: Bornin1980something on October 10, 2020, 10:39:23 PM
Genuine question; what is the 'electric blue' used on some early 73s in the collection? Is it like the west coast electric blue, or closer to rail blue?
Much closer to Rail Blue - you couldn't confuse a CL 73 with a CL 83 by color (I hope the class numbers are accurate, I grew up calling 'em E60'ers and E30'ers!)

Here's a CL 73 with a Crompton CL 33 close by for comparison with rail blue

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/6889-111020021210.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100319)


Don't know when the 'comparison' picture was taken, but I would guess somewhere early 70s, which would place E6012 after it's first overhaul, at which it would have received proper BR Blue with full yellow ends, the same as the 'Crompton'. None of the early 'JB's in the early lighter blue had FYE. More interesting is the comparison between the early blue (albeit slightly faded) and 'proper' blue on the pair of 4CORs in the background...
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 11:33:04 AM
Not sure if you've seen all these in a single web page, but all seven are there with deco samples - including E6039 with the wrong deco sample - again :)
So annoying.
https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/catalogsearch/result/?q=GM221020 (https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/catalogsearch/result/?q=GM221020)

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
Drat. I was hoping for some positive news.
Now the class 17 has settled, we need something in our mitts to froth over/moan about. I have lots to choose from!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 20, 2020, 11:45:59 AM
Drat. I was hoping for some positive news.
Now the class 17 has settled, we need something in our mitts to froth over/moan about. I have lots to choose from!

I quite like the Network Rail "Yellow" 73 in what looks like Cantrail Orange livery. Beats any discussion over Electric Blue anyday.
Sometimes I do wonder about Gaugemaster. It would be fine for their man to stick his hand up and say "sorry, I'm colour blind" but just to produce items like this seems very odd.
I rejected their previous 73 in Exec livery for the same reason. Hideously bright and wrong colours.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/1517-201020122010.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100749)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/1517-201020122508.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100750)


Bob

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2020, 01:01:23 PM
That certainly is a strange shade of yellow (the model, of course) :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
I don't think Dapol have any say in the colours either.

But you would have thought that some joined up thinking would allow Gaugemaster to "copy" the colours used by e.g. Dapol and Olivia's Trains on the OO versions to produce the N gauge versions, rather than this seemingly random colour choice.

It is not doing the brand any good at all.

Contrast this with Kernow/EFE who turned out a beautifully decorated set of class 17s.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bornin1980something on October 20, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
I don't think Dapol have any say in the colours either.

But you would have thought that some joined up thinking would allow Gaugemaster to "copy" the colours used by e.g. Dapol and Olivia's Trains on the OO versions to produce the N gauge versions, rather than this seemingly random colour choice.

It is not doing the brand any good at all.

Contrast this with Kernow/EFE who turned out a beautifully decorated set of class 17s.

Bob

Well, diesel green and rail blue should be hard to get wrong by now. Special edition 73s come in more unusual colours.

I admit my earlier queries about early blue were for a repaint. If it was lighter than rail blue, what paint might you recommend?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 02:29:31 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on October 17, 2020, 02:51:44 PM
Exhibit A - E6009, purported to be in "the blue that isn't electric blue" in 1966, when it was still fairly new.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-171020144721.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100643)

Exhibit B - E6009, when new. Probably a publicity picture at the English Electric works - note the '20' on accommodation bogies.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-171020145059.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100644)

I'll leave you to draw your own conclustions...

Colin Marsden's book on the EDs is a mine of useful livery info.

E6007 and E6009 both wore a tint similar to electric blue when first built in 1965.
The roof is described as light grey - not white, with a mid grey solebar.
Originally, for a few weeks/months, no BR double arrow logo was worn.
Witness the model that Dapol Dave commissioned (as NSprays) prior to him joining Dapol.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/1517-201020135313.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100753)

That is the same as the E6009 livery in the group photo, and also in the top photo. Remember that tints of early colour slides/prints are able to change.
This livery with minor variations was worn by E6007-E6012. they were repainted in BR Blue from 1969, with the last one repainted in 1972.

The livery for E6013 onwards, including E6039 (delivered July 1966) should be Rail Blue but with a light grey roof and window frames (not white as Dapol's OO version) with no solebar stripe and small yellow ends.
This copyright photo from 1969 shows it well
https://zenfolio.page.link/MbrLe (https://zenfolio.page.link/MbrLe)
And here too
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/1517-201020140232.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100754)
By 1972 they were all repainted with full yellow ends and blue roofs.

BTW Dapol's version of rail blue is more green than Farish's version. Just compare a Hymek with a Farish blue loco and you will see what I mean.

HTH
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on October 20, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Bornin1980something on October 20, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
I don't think Dapol have any say in the colours either.

But you would have thought that some joined up thinking would allow Gaugemaster to "copy" the colours used by e.g. Dapol and Olivia's Trains on the OO versions to produce the N gauge versions, rather than this seemingly random colour choice.

It is not doing the brand any good at all.

Contrast this with Kernow/EFE who turned out a beautifully decorated set of class 17s.

Bob

Well, diesel green and rail blue should be hard to get wrong by now. Special edition 73s come in more unusual colours.

I admit my earlier queries about early blue were for a repaint. If it was lighter than rail blue, what paint might you recommend?

You'll have to ask Ian at Mercig what colours he used when he painted mine...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-201020144144.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100755)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bornin1980something on October 21, 2020, 04:27:05 PM
Quote from: talisman56 on October 20, 2020, 02:41:52 PM
Quote from: Bornin1980something on October 20, 2020, 02:23:19 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 20, 2020, 01:46:09 PM
I don't think Dapol have any say in the colours either.

But you would have thought that some joined up thinking would allow Gaugemaster to "copy" the colours used by e.g. Dapol and Olivia's Trains on the OO versions to produce the N gauge versions, rather than this seemingly random colour choice.

It is not doing the brand any good at all.

Contrast this with Kernow/EFE who turned out a beautifully decorated set of class 17s.

Bob

Well, diesel green and rail blue should be hard to get wrong by now. Special edition 73s come in more unusual colours.

I admit my earlier queries about early blue were for a repaint. If it was lighter than rail blue, what paint might you recommend?

You'll have to ask Ian at Mercig what colours he used when he painted mine...


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/100/2626-201020144144.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=100755)
Could you ask him?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bornin1980something on October 25, 2020, 04:21:52 PM
^Update, I have emailed Mercig myself.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on April 05, 2021, 09:35:45 PM

From Dapol 2 days ago

The Class 73's are a private commission for Gaugemaster and this has extended the approval process somewhat. Best estimate would be mid summer for release.

Wonder if they're blaming Gaugemaster for the delay? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Railwaygun on April 06, 2021, 05:12:49 PM
this thread seems to duplicate

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=53621 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=53621)

Shall I merge them?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: njee20 on April 06, 2021, 05:28:22 PM
No! Never merge threads. How many times. It's literally the worst thing you can do in a forum.

Close the other one, it was an April fools joke.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on April 08, 2021, 02:33:20 PM
Just for the sheer hell of it, I visited Gaugemaster's website and they're still advertising the 73's at £99.95! https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/model-railways/gm-collection-brand5.html?operator=1727&type=898 (https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/model-railways/gm-collection-brand5.html?operator=1727&type=898)

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on April 08, 2021, 03:56:15 PM
I should think so too. They are from an original design 15 years old. They've had more than their fair share of profits from the moulds.
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on April 08, 2021, 06:04:50 PM
will these ever appear??!

i should think rapido, revolution or sonic will make a new version before long...


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on April 08, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
I have to say with the time that has passed, it almost feels like we've been waiting for them since 73!  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on April 08, 2021, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on April 08, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
I have to say with the time that has passed, it almost feels like we've been waiting for them since 73!  ::)
Prawn cocktail followed by chicken in a basket please 😀
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on April 08, 2021, 11:16:07 PM
Quote from: Bob G on April 08, 2021, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on April 08, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
I have to say with the time that has passed, it almost feels like we've been waiting for them since 73!  ::)
Prawn cocktail followed by chicken in a basket please 😀

Accompanied with a Light and Bitter....Watneys of course! :D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Stuart7358 on May 01, 2021, 01:03:49 PM
Hello all

Contacted Gaugemaster this morning regarding release date and also the orange sides to the Network Rail version, this is the reply that ties in with ;

'We believe the release date will be mid Summer...we have the model samples now albeit these are the bodywork only. Re the Network Rail colour...on the sample it looks spot on to my eye..so I can only assume the colour is one of those photography anomalies you get from time to time'

I know in some photos of the real ones running the sides can look orange under certain light conditions however don't think this is the case on the samples photos.

May  be worth some others sending their thoughts on the network rail colours direct to them perhaps? I certainly won't be getting one until I can see it properly.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on May 01, 2021, 03:04:06 PM
Quote from: Stuart7358 on May 01, 2021, 01:03:49 PM
Hello all

Contacted Gaugemaster this morning regarding release date and also the orange sides to the Network Rail version, this is the reply that ties in with ;

'We believe the release date will be mid Summer...we have the model samples now albeit these are the bodywork only. Re the Network Rail colour...on the sample it looks spot on to my eye..so I can only assume the colour is one of those photography anomalies you get from time to time'

I know in some photos of the real ones running the sides can look orange under certain light conditions however don't think this is the case on the samples photos.

May  be worth some others sending their thoughts on the network rail colours direct to them perhaps? I certainly won't be getting one until I can see it properly.

I sent back Broadlands in Inter City Executive livery from the previous Gaugemaster run as (1) the colours looked like someone had turned up the contrast and brilliance; and (2) Broadlands never had a high intensity headlight in that livery.
I've thought many times that Gaugemaster's colours were a little off, and in case anyone there has a touch of colourblindness, I'd check them out with colleagues and others first. Its easy to send something back but you would think comparison with e.g. an Olivia's Trains OO special edition would be a simple thing to do, wouldn't you?

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Just kicking the can further down the road........ So has anyone heard of any uplifting news to get us all excited again?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on July 13, 2021, 09:12:30 PM
Where's that tumbleweed emoji when you need it?!  :confused1:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on July 13, 2021, 09:35:11 PM
I'd like to say they're on their way.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
They had the painted shells in the shop at the weekend, the Network Rail one definitely doesn't look right.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on July 13, 2021, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Just kicking the can further down the road........ So has anyone heard of any uplifting news to get us all excited again?

I asked the question of Joel 23 hours ago on Dapol Digest - no reply yet :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
They had the painted shells in the shop at the weekend, the Network Rail one definitely doesn't look right.

What doesn't look right about them Nick?  :worried:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 10:13:11 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 13, 2021, 09:44:53 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 08:03:54 PM
Just kicking the can further down the road........ So has anyone heard of any uplifting news to get us all excited again?

I asked the question of Joel 23 hours ago on Dapol Digest - no reply yet :no:

This has to be like a headache that won't go away for him Mick, there cant that much money to be made from this run if any, what with inflation etc. Their fault for taking so bloody long!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 13, 2021, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
They had the painted shells in the shop at the weekend, the Network Rail one definitely doesn't look right.

What doesn't look right about them Nick?  :worried:

I'm convinced that their artwork guy is colourblind.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
They had the painted shells in the shop at the weekend, the Network Rail one definitely doesn't look right.

What doesn't look right about them Nick?  :worried:

Too orange. It's a difficult colour to reproduce, and varies signficantly, but it's not right.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: steadfast on July 16, 2021, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 10:50:34 PM
Quote from: Mr Sprue on July 13, 2021, 10:04:36 PM
Quote from: njee20 on July 13, 2021, 09:37:54 PM
They had the painted shells in the shop at the weekend, the Network Rail one definitely doesn't look right.

What doesn't look right about them Nick?  :worried:

Too orange. It's a difficult colour to reproduce, and varies signficantly, but it's not right.

The samples I've seen online match the colours Dapol used on the 4mm second batch (for Olivia's?) Which included the weird orangey NR loco
https://images.app.goo.gl/9A6KS7RRR4r4aPCf8
Freshly paint d, definitely standard NR yellow. Also shows the front end should only have a half yellow panel.
https://flic.kr/p/6buwPB

Jo
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
More than 2 weeks on from tagging Joel Bright on the Dapol Digest and no response as to likely availability.
Oh well - I guess it was a forlorn hope ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on July 28, 2021, 01:30:00 PM
Not surprised, sad to say.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 28, 2021, 02:09:30 PM
Just had a prompt from Hattons that the Gaugemaster Collection 153s in First Great Western & Great Western Railway liveries will be coming to our shores in October.

Who tells Gaugemaster to ignore the grey pound? (or whatever us oldies are called these days?)

I'm sick of DMUs that don't fit my modelling eras. I want my 73s in green and early blue.

Long live the Revolution!

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on July 29, 2021, 08:11:43 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on July 28, 2021, 12:43:51 PM
More than 2 weeks on from tagging Joel Bright on the Dapol Digest and no response as to likely availability.
Oh well - I guess it was a forlorn hope ::)

Of course not, he's just probably hoping that this headache will just fizzle out and fade away. But he will swamp his market again with Brits, F9's and Hall's, Oh and of course Q1's!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
From Joel at Dapol on their Digest site 3 days ago........

They are just coming to the end of production. Should be in store around October time.

Be there light at the end of yonder tunnel, or is it some  :censored: with a torch bringing more work?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on August 28, 2021, 05:38:52 PM
Well, that's rather jolly news. That tunnel has been longer than the Gotthard Tunnel in Switzerland. Or the pipeline longer than the Druzhba Pipeline in Russia, if you prefer.

:bounce:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on August 28, 2021, 06:23:20 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 28, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
From Joel at Dapol on their Digest site 3 days ago........

They are just coming to the end of production. Should be in store around October time.

Be there light at the end of yonder tunnel, or is it some  :censored: with a torch bringing more work?
Any hint regarding which October?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on August 28, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 28, 2021, 05:10:11 PM
From Joel at Dapol on their Digest site 3 days ago........

They are just coming to the end of production. Should be in store around October time.

Be there light at the end of yonder tunnel, or is it some  :censored: with a torch bringing more work?

Pinch me!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 28, 2021, 08:41:47 PM
Meanwhile 3 issues of outdated credit card later!  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 28, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate, Dave ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on August 28, 2021, 09:35:19 PM
England thrash India in the 3rd test, West Ham top of the Premier League and Dapol's 73s finally on their way. Can't decide which of these was the most improbable.  Strange, but happy day.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 29, 2021, 08:27:09 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on August 28, 2021, 09:08:24 PM
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate, Dave ;)

LOL.... I can't help it now Mick, waiting for this ghost train to emerge must be like waiting for the Titanic to dock at Southampton!  :D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: snitchthebudgie on October 06, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
Gaugemaster have just invoiced me for my green 73 - are they actually appearing soon?!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 06, 2021, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on October 06, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
Gaugemaster have just invoiced me for my green 73 - are they actually appearing soon?!!!!!!
They're probably teasing. Has the price increased?

I've yet to hear anything. I ordered mine via Colletts.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: snitchthebudgie on October 06, 2021, 09:15:15 AM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 06, 2021, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: snitchthebudgie on October 06, 2021, 09:03:52 AM
Gaugemaster have just invoiced me for my green 73 - are they actually appearing soon?!!!!!!
They're probably teasing. Has the price increased?

The invoice is for £99.95.  I ordered mine so long ago, I've no idea what the price was, but it seems OK in these hard times!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on October 06, 2021, 09:18:21 AM
Ruddy hell, that's the 5th horseman of the apocalypse isn't it? I've got a green one on order through Kernow, I'm very tempted by the E6039 in electric blue but there hasn't been a picture of it yet so I don't actually know what I'd be ordering (all the initial livery shots were for the wrong loco, the TOPS in BR blue).
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: NGS-PO on October 06, 2021, 09:19:42 AM
My Collet's order was originally priced at £84.95.

Best

Scott.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: snitchthebudgie on October 06, 2021, 10:09:32 AM
Just updated my credit card and it's winging its way to me.....  Shock!  Horror!  Pantomime!!!!!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 06, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
Is it April 1st today? :confused2:

I've just mailed Rails to see if their price is still £84.95. My loco will be free as I have vouchers to spare on it (smug mode 'On' :))
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 06, 2021, 01:51:11 PM
I ordered with Colletts too.  I couldn't find the email confirmation so called them - they haven't heard anything from Gaugemaster yet but will phone customers when they arrive.  Presumably (hopefully) if Gaugemaster are already billing their pre-orders delivery is close.  It's taken a touch over 3 years from announcement - in the current climate that maybe isn't so bad all things considered.

Mark 
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 06, 2021, 03:08:10 PM
Rails are still showing my pre-orders priced at £84.95; we'll see what transpires. Good news though!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 06, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
Just received an e-mail from Gaugemaster about the 73's. E6039 is no longer listed!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 06, 2021, 05:36:09 PM
i still don't believe they exist...

i ordered 2 from colletts as well
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 06, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 06, 2021, 05:22:55 PM
Just received an e-mail from Gaugemaster about the 73's. E6039 is no longer listed!
That is just b :censored: s. What idiots at Gaugemaster.
:confusedsign:
:computerangry:

Bob


Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 06, 2021, 06:11:02 PM
Rails still have E6039 listed. Who knows what's going on there  :confused2:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 06, 2021, 06:33:32 PM
It's still listed on Gaugemaster's own website too ... not that that's necessarily an indicator of anything. 
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: NGS-PO on October 06, 2021, 06:48:31 PM
Collet's have advised on FB that their allocation is due in on Monday 11th October.

Best

Scott.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 06, 2021, 08:06:24 PM
Quote from: NGS-PO on October 06, 2021, 09:19:42 AM
My Collet's order was originally priced at £84.95.

Best

Scott.

Mine was £79.95 each! This should be interesting, as far as I'm concerned that's what I should still be paying.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 06, 2021, 08:47:58 PM
My pre-order price of £84.95 is shown by Rails as a discount of 15% from the MSRP of £99.00. We'll see if they stick with that.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 07, 2021, 08:04:09 AM
Quote from: LASteve on October 06, 2021, 08:47:58 PM
My pre-order price of £84.95 is shown by Rails as a discount of 15% from the MSRP of £99.00. We'll see if they stick with that.

LOL...... I eagerly await for my email to arrive!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 07, 2021, 10:42:03 AM
Good news.  I called Gaugemaster to clarify the situation with the Electric Blue version as it's one of the 2 I have on order - they said it's definitely coming and due to arrive in a couple of months.  They have received at least partial delivery of the other 5 versions.  The green ones are currently sold out but they're due to get more also in a couple of months.

I asked whether they had any photographs showing the colour of E6039 as there's no image on their website and mentioned Dapol's past history of occasional howlers - the guy I was speaking to said they'd checked the livery samples and were perfectly happy with it. 

Mark   
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on October 07, 2021, 12:47:07 PM
I've just had a receipt through from Kernow for my green one! They've got more than 10 in stock if anyone is short. Original pre-order price of £85 is what I paid and what they are still listing them for. Bit of a bargain, hopefully!

They are still expecting E6039, and do actually have a photo on their site as of a couple of days ago - so doing better than gaugemaster! Looks good to me so I've pre-ordered one (my first and only blue oil-burner!), hopefully to arrive by Christmas, though with the power cuts in China we shall see.

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60508/GM2210202-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6039 (https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60508/GM2210202-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6039)

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on October 07, 2021, 01:00:54 PM
Kernow  have just been in touch re my E6003. Both my credit card and address (not even the same country!) had changed in the two years from placing the order.....

Looking forward to finally getting it, and comparing it to my old CJM version (now available from Antique Toys for more than double what I'm paying for this one!) which hauled well.

Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 07, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
I've had a e-mail from Gaugemaster, it said; "GM2210202 is still awaiting production, as yet we do not have a release date."

Ho hum.
My next question is over what time period was the 73 painted green?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 07, 2021, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 07, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
I've had a e-mail from Gaugemaster, it said; "GM2210202 is still awaiting production, as yet we do not have a release date."

Ho hum.
My next question is over what time period was the 73 painted green?

The 73/0 started life in green w/o yellow panels, then some got small yellow panels. They went into BR blue from 1967. Some have cream skirts, some not. Its a bit of a minefield.
E6003 was green NYP from 1962 - 1963 IIRC. Then Green/small yellow panel 1963-1967 ish.
The first few 73/1s arrived in 1965 and none were green. They started off in a light electric blue (not the blue proposed for E6039, but the version which was the limited edition by NThusiast Resprays in 2005) and were repainted into BR Blue /full yellow panel around 1969.
The next lot of 73/1 were Blue/small yellow panel/white roof (as E6039) and these too lasted until about 1969.
From then on they were all BR Blue/full yellow panel until TOPS renumbering in 1974.

There is some slippage on these dates for individual locos, so don't quote me.

Bob


Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 07, 2021, 03:55:30 PM
@Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517) thank you.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 08, 2021, 03:44:52 PM
Rails have advised they have sent out my green one today. Price £84.95 although I had vouchers to cover so no cost to me.
Just hope I don't get a lemon :uneasy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 08, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
I let impulse get the better of me and ordered E6003 from the available Kernow stock yesterday. £84.95 and its already been shipped. Even with overseas postage, because I get a break on the VAT, it came to a couple of pennies over £80 total, which is not to be sneezed at in this day & age. Zimo decoders aren't so easy to come by at the moment though, so I might have to wait a little while longer before I can fire it up on the layout.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 03:57:50 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 08, 2021, 03:44:52 PM
Rails have advised they have sent out my green one today. Price £84.95 although I had vouchers to cover so no cost to me.
Just hope I don't get a lemon :uneasy:

I had ordered two from Collets on 1 September 2018.  The green one and the early electric blue one. I gave credit card details today as all my cards had changed.
The seventh 73 to be produced (73124 in banger blue) was allegedly mis-labelled by Dapol when it arrived in Chirk as the E6033 one, so had to be relabelled.
The early electric E6033 one is about a month behind, allegedly.

I asked if I could also order the one that had not been previously announced (73124) and Collets let me have that for the same price as I was quoted three years ago, which is less than the Rails price, and all have free postage.
And they test the locos before shipping to make sure they don't ship a lemon.

That's better than good service. That is exceptional.
They are coming next week. Goodee.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 04:01:33 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 08, 2021, 03:50:28 PM
I let impulse get the better of me and ordered E6003 from the available Kernow stock yesterday. £84.95 and its already been shipped. Even with overseas postage, because I get a break on the VAT, it came to a couple of pennies over £80 total, which is not to be sneezed at in this day & age. Zimo decoders aren't so easy to come by at the moment though, so I might have to wait a little while longer before I can fire it up on the layout.

You always needed a sixer-ooer.
Now you have two :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 08, 2021, 04:49:17 PM
I've done exactly the same @LASteve (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6889) - there's a green and electric blue on order with Colletts from years ago and have just ordered another 6003 with Kernow.  Partly as a hedge against one of them turning out to be a dud and, barring that almost unimaginable scenario, with a possible view to renumbering one and adding syp.

@Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517) - I'm sure I've seen photos of all green (no syp) 73s from the late 60s (67-68 perhaps), although can't currently remember where - is that plausible or would they all have had at least syp or been repainted blue by then?  I'll keep looking through my books, but it may be my memory playing more tricks.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 04:59:30 PM
Try these EDs in green with off white skirts

Without SYP
E6002 NYP 1962 Stewarts Lane https://zenfolio.page.link/5dLRE
E6003 NYP 1967 Eastleigh https://zenfolio.page.link/NUjaq
E6004 NYP 1968 Clapham https://zenfolio.page.link/EZS6L

With SYP
E6002 SYP 1967 Hither Green https://zenfolio.page.link/1TC31

But by 1969 most were in Banger Blue with FYPs.

I'm tempted to buy another green one... I've just bought another green one

Bob




Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 08, 2021, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 04:59:30 PM

I'm tempted to buy another green one...

Bob

At £85 it's madness not to ...

Thanks for those photos Bob, much appreciated - good to know I wasn't completely imagining it.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: Mark on October 08, 2021, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 04:59:30 PM

I'm tempted to buy another green one...

Bob

At £85 it's madness not to ...

Thanks for those photos Bob, much appreciated - good to know I wasn't completely imagining it.

Mark

I just edited my post :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 08, 2021, 05:12:35 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 05:07:34 PM
Quote from: Mark on October 08, 2021, 05:06:05 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 04:59:30 PM

I'm tempted to buy another green one...

Bob

At £85 it's madness not to ...

Thanks for those photos Bob, much appreciated - good to know I wasn't completely imagining it.

Mark

I just edited my post :)

Well done!  You know it makes sense!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 08, 2021, 05:37:41 PM
Photo evidence is not friendly to this question. I did find this description, but no dates regarding when the JA's were missing the SWP:

"The JAs were out-shopped in green with small yellow warning panels although soon the warning panels were removed for a time and a light coloured band applied at solebar level, then the warning panels were later reapplied. As to the shade of green and the light coloured band be warned published accounts vary. The green has been described as Brunswick Green or a lighter shade being either malachite or BR(S) coaching stock green. The light coloured band has been described as grey or light green. Photographic evidence indicates the JAs wore light green with a grey band. The shade of green is likely to be that also carried by the class 71s and one thing is for sure is that the JAs carried the coach roundel rather than the BR emblem."

[Credit: https://sremg.org.uk/electric/class73.shtml (https://sremg.org.uk/electric/class73.shtml) - the page also shows a picture of E6013 at Wimbledon in 1966 with the SWP applied]

I did come across this postcard currently offered on the auction site ebid.net. No photo credit is provided, but is described "E6004 Stewarts Lane Depot 1962". No warning panel.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/114/6889-081021173436.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=114880)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 08, 2021, 06:09:41 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 08, 2021, 05:37:41 PM

"The JAs were out-shopped in green with small yellow warning panels although soon the warning panels were removed for a time and a light coloured band applied at solebar level, then the warning panels were later reapplied. As to the shade of green and the light coloured band be warned published accounts vary. The green has been described as Brunswick Green or a lighter shade being either malachite or BR(S) coaching stock green. The light coloured band has been described as grey or light green. Photographic evidence indicates the JAs wore light green with a grey band. The shade of green is likely to be that also carried by the class 71s and one thing is for sure is that the JAs carried the coach roundel rather than the BR emblem."

[Credit: https://sremg.org.uk/electric/class73.shtml (https://sremg.org.uk/electric/class73.shtml) - the page also shows a picture of E6013 at Wimbledon in 1966 with the SWP applied]


Clearly lots of inconsistencies and uncertainties and indeed shades of green and grey - no bad thing necessarily. With this and Bob G's photos and info above I guess green with no panels and electric blue can reasonably comfortably appear on the layout at the same time without it being too much of a historical no-no.  I have a fairly relaxed approach to timeframe anyway.
 
Mark

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 08, 2021, 06:12:24 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 08, 2021, 05:37:41 PM
The page also shows a picture of E6013 at Wimbledon in 1966 with the SWP applied

Unfortunately both the mind and colour photography at the time play tricks on us.

Only the JAs (73/0) wore green. So that's E6001-6006. Your postcard is of E6003 and E6004.

E6013 from the website is actually in a light electric blue and minus any roundel/BR double arrow.

The forthcoming E6033 should be in BR blue with a white roof and SYP - even though it is described as electric blue, but from all photo evidence I have seen it wasn't electric blue but a trick of the light roof and white windows! Anyway we shall see - the Dapol OO version is OK so lets hope they copy that.

Most went into the standard BR blue with blue roof and FYP in 1969.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 09, 2021, 12:59:51 PM
I've been doing some research on the green liveries that I can find in photos and in my book of 73s and 74s.
The green is very probably coaching stock/MU green as used on BR(S) coaches and CEP EMUs for example.
E6001-3 had oval coach buffers. The rest of the EDs had round oleo buffers.

E6001.
Green/SYP/No grey solebar/dark grey roof overall/oval coach buffers. Feb 1962 - ????.
Green/SYP/Grey solebar. 1967-1969.
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

E6002
Green/no yellow panel/no grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/oval coach buffers. 1962.
Green/no yellow panel/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/oval coach buffers (1962 approx date).
Green/SYP/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs 1967.
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

E6003
Green/no yellow panel/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/oval coach buffers. 1962.
Green/SYP/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/1967-69 ?
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

E6004
Green/no yellow panel/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/round oleo buffers. 1962-66 (68?)
Green/SYP/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/1967-69
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

E6005
Green/no yellow panel/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/round oleo buffers. 1962-68 ?
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

E6006
Green/no yellow panel/grey solebar/grey roof/green cab roofs/round oleo buffers 1962-65 (68?)
BR Blue/FYP 1969-1974

The 73/1s E6007-12 were initially in a light electric blue/SYP with grey solebar (1965-1969)
E6013-onwards were BR blue/SYP/off-white roof (this is the livery of the missing Gaugemaster 73).
This livery was carried into the early 1970s but was BR Blue/FYP pre TOPS.

HTH
Bob

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 09, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
Pretty definitive I'd say. Thanks, Bob.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 09, 2021, 04:26:56 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 09, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
Pretty definitive I'd say. Thanks, Bob.
incredibly useful knowledge for modellers
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 09, 2021, 04:47:17 PM
Of course I have the Signal Box E6003 in "malachite" green / bright MU green with SYP too. It dates from 2007.
I cant seem to tie it in with these facts!

It could have run like this 1967-69 but I have been unable to determine this 100%
It did run like this post mode but was named Herbert Walker and had a headlight, neither of which the ED has.

So that's why I went for two of these new JAs. I can renumber one as E6004 or E6006 (I have E6005 in BR Blue), sell the earlier Signal Box model, or if the green is acceptable against the two new ones, renumber that one as  E6004 !!!

Happy electro diesel days

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on October 11, 2021, 12:50:59 PM
So my 73 finally arrived today, and runs well from the off on my test track. I'm not keen on the illuminated head code, which doesn't shine through the two white areas, just gleams away behind, so that might have to go. Other than that it looks fine. Here it is on Brickmakers Lane representing the newest loco in the fleet (built 1962) while my last purchase, a Terrier (to be converted to a P) represents the oldest (1878). Eagle eyed spotters will note that the high level hidden tracks behind the goods yard have disappeared in advance of the baseboard extension starting soon......

Dave
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/114/3680-111021124626.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=114966)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 11, 2021, 12:57:45 PM
maybe you dim the light behind the headcode blind?

on zimo i think cv 60 controls this. not sure about other decoders.

cheers


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on October 11, 2021, 01:04:28 PM
I'm DC only so taking it out seems the best option. I'm not one for gimmicks such as lighting!

Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 11, 2021, 01:06:51 PM
ah ok then!

maybe paint over the light in a dirt wash, or rip out the wires!!

cheers


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: JimSan on October 11, 2021, 01:07:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1LyHelS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LAu2GZG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BJrzjNP.jpg)

Just got mine in the post, had a quick look in how to remove the body, seems there's six clips which can be unclipped using a nail, and then to reattach just need to do the same in reverse, there is a wire at the back which attaches the body to the chassis. Does feel rather light compared to the old one.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 11, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
My green version arrived today. By heck, but it's tight in the packaging so some trimming will be needed to avoid breaking anything. First impression is a good looking loco but I agree with JimSan in that it is very light weight-wise. Still, it won't be pulling much as it will always be on 600hp diesel power for me :D Gave it the required light oiling and set it on my Kato test oval - nice and smooth in both directions. Destination blind lighting works fine in either direction but I'd have liked at least one red rear lamp (if they ever had them, of course). 9/10 for me, especially for £84.95 these days.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/114/264-111021135444-1149582279.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/114/264-111021135445-114958437.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 11, 2021, 03:57:05 PM
Given the three year delay I'd rather hoped they had reengineered the frames to go back to the metal frames of the non DCC ready version as they run so much better but, at the price I guess that was never going to happen.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 12, 2021, 02:27:42 PM
I popped into Colletts at Exmouth this morning to pick up a green 73 for a friend of mine which we'd ordered alonside the electric blue one which hasn't arrived yet.

Whilst there I weakened and bought one for Southwark Bridge. It's a bit early for me but rule one applies. Depending on time (Running in and chipping) it might make an appearance on Southwark Bridge at Uckfield over the weekend.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on October 13, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: Bob G on October 07, 2021, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 07, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
I've had a e-mail from Gaugemaster, it said; "GM2210202 is still awaiting production, as yet we do not have a release date."

Ho hum.
My next question is over what time period was the 73 painted green?

The 73/0 started life in green w/o yellow panels, then some got small yellow panels. They went into BR blue from 1967. Some have cream skirts, some not. Its a bit of a minefield.


Bob

The 'skirts' you are referring to were in fact light grey...
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on October 13, 2021, 11:01:15 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 11, 2021, 02:04:10 PM
Destination blind lighting works fine in either direction but I'd have liked at least one red rear lamp (if they ever had them, of course).

They didn't - on the Southern Region illuminated red blanks in the headcode display was the accepted method of indicating the rear of a light engine. In other places, a red lamp hung on the lamp iron was required.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 13, 2021, 11:19:56 AM
Quote from: talisman56 on October 13, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
Quote from: Bob G on October 07, 2021, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: GrahamB on October 07, 2021, 02:00:18 PM
I've had a e-mail from Gaugemaster, it said; "GM2210202 is still awaiting production, as yet we do not have a release date."

Ho hum.
My next question is over what time period was the 73 painted green?

The 73/0 started life in green w/o yellow panels, then some got small yellow panels. They went into BR blue from 1967. Some have cream skirts, some not. Its a bit of a minefield.


Bob

The 'skirts' you are referring to were in fact light grey...

Thank you for correcting my throwaway comments, which you obviously don't think are useful. I won't bother to waste my time contributing to the 73 debate again.
If Dapol's and Gaugemaster's errors were less significant than mine then we would all be happy. As it is, their colour renditions are much worse.
Better to have a go at them, eh?

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GScaleBruce on October 13, 2021, 04:23:51 PM
My BR blue 73/1 arrived today.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/115/3603-131021160620-115015509.jpeg)

The blue is a much better shade than the previous versions - here it is seen alongside 73 111.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/115/3603-131021160620-115015846.jpeg)

The pale grey air horns jar on the eye, but I think from photos on Flickr are correct. Not sure whether the roof patches should have been grey as 73 111. It seems to run reasonably smoothly, albeit with a slight waddle. It'll need short shank couplings in due course. The instructions state that the loco must be oiled before first use or the warranty will be invalidated, but inspection shows more white stuff than enough on the gears - should I really be adding oil???

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/115/3603-131021161917-115017856.jpeg)

For anyone interested in the prototype, I've pieced together the following (corrections and additions welcome). 73 124 was in rail blue until at least 1986/7, which means it fits nicely with Stoneham Yard's time period of 1980-1986. There are photos of it on the South Western Division of the Southern Region hauling passenger trains, parcels trains and the Chessington coal train. It became part of the Gatwick Express pool and was painted into InterCity large logo livery in 1987, possibly when it was named "London Chamber of Commerce". It was renumbered to 73 205 as part of the Gatwick Express pool by April 1988 and subsequently in GB Railfreight livery was named "Jeanette". Now 73 964.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on October 14, 2021, 04:23:33 PM
Has anyone had their order for the class73 from Collette models yet?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 14, 2021, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on October 14, 2021, 04:23:33 PM
Has anyone had their order for the class73 from Collette models yet?
Not yet, but I spoke to them last week to update my card details and they were anticipating receiving them on Monday. Hattons just emailed to say their complete tranche had arrived today.
I think that Rails had an early set of locos but are currently waiting for their main deliveries.

Frustrating eh?
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on October 14, 2021, 05:01:29 PM
Glad I ordered through Kernow!

Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 14, 2021, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 14, 2021, 04:39:31 PM

I think that Rails had an early set of locos but are currently waiting for their main deliveries.

Bob
Rails contacted me a couple of days ago to update my payment details and were shipping out to me yesterday (BR Blue 73124)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 14, 2021, 06:05:20 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 14, 2021, 05:26:42 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 14, 2021, 04:39:31 PM

I think that Rails had an early set of locos but are currently waiting for their main deliveries.

Bob
Rails contacted me a couple of days ago to update my payment details and were shipping out to me yesterday (BR Blue 73124)
I thought you only collected E numbers :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 14, 2021, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 14, 2021, 06:05:20 PM
I thought you only collected E numbers :)
Yep, guilty as charged. I'd pre-ordered the Electric Blue E6039 but also really wanted a BR Blue example. The only option was the TOPS-numbered 73124, so I convinced myself that I was perfectly cabable of doing a renumber to the pre-TOPS E6031, not ever having attempted a renumber before, but hey, how hard can it be?  :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 14, 2021, 06:55:16 PM
Quote from: Safety Engineer on October 14, 2021, 04:23:33 PM
Has anyone had their order for the class73 from Collette models yet?

Yes my Yellow Network Rail ones arrived today.

Might be an idea to phone Leigh just to check everything is okay, he wont mind he is a very friendly helpful guy.

When your order is dispatched he will email you. But still best to check as with everyone else here these orders are over three years old now!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 15, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
As I was in the area I visited Leigh's shop last Tuesday. He's baracaded in by parcels and quite a few stacks of 73's. He's a lovely chap and I'm sure he will get them processed as fast as he can.

I can't quote my source of course but it appears Gaugemaster may have rejected the 73's more than once and that may be why the electric blue version is not yet available.

I started running mine in last night. Another half an hour each way today should do it. Then it will be a case of picking out the excess white grease and seeing if I can get the body to chip it and get it ready for Uckfield tomorrow.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on October 15, 2021, 01:58:45 PM
I was concerned that members of the forum seemed to be getting their orders from other suppliers, yet nothing from Colletts. Thought maybe post had gone adrift, mind now at rest, guess I'll just have to be patient.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: TRXsouth on October 17, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
I was also puzzled about paying the balance for my Colletts Class 73 pre-order when others seemed to be receiving them from other retailers, so called them on Friday. Colletts apologised as they had received the Class 73s but were snowed under with orders; although they were packing, none would be sent on Friday but there will be a large mail out on Monday. I provided my card details and am now on tenterhooks for a midweek delivery. Incidentally, I noted that Kent Garden Railways at Saturday's West Wickham & Beckenham show had some Class 73s at £87.99, so Colletts £84.95 including postage is an attractive deal.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 17, 2021, 09:53:41 AM
Quote from: TRXsouth on October 17, 2021, 01:25:37 AM
I was also puzzled about paying the balance for my Colletts Class 73 pre-order when others seemed to be receiving them from other retailers, so called them on Friday. Colletts apologised as they had received the Class 73s but were snowed under with orders; although they were packing, none would be sent on Friday but there will be a large mail out on Monday. I provided my card details and am now on tenterhooks for a midweek delivery. Incidentally, I noted that Kent Garden Railways at Saturday's West Wickham & Beckenham show had some Class 73s at £87.99, so Colletts £84.95 including postage is an attractive deal.
Colletts is a one man shop. They also undercut everyone at the start and I got the first two of mine for £79.99 (I have since increased my order to four (two green and two blue) because it is clear 73s are not going to come along that often.
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Chris Morris on October 17, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
Oh no! I need 4 in GBRf livery to replicate this 2016 scene. Go to 1:28.



Was Wildebeeste a widely used nickname for these?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 17, 2021, 11:26:49 AM
Quote from: Chris Morris on October 17, 2021, 11:24:10 AM
Was Wildebeeste a widely used nickname for these?
We used to call them shoeboxes, presumably because in BR blue they were pretty dull. They were also boxy with slab sides. Very utilitarian. Very southern, to be honest.
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Chris Morris on October 17, 2021, 11:32:34 AM
Maybe the tour name came from Fawlty Towers? 4 of these could possibly be a herd of Wildebeeste sweeping majestically across Torquay (on their way to Paignton).
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 17, 2021, 11:52:03 AM
Nice superelevation on those curves.
If they're called 'Wildebeeste' their horns are about on par for N gauge i.e. very poor.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 22, 2021, 07:24:16 PM
i got my pre-ordered locos from colletts on wednesday. i got the nse loco 73126 and dutch loco 73128.

i just got around to running them in now.

decoration i think is good - and possibly some details are slightly finer than previous releases - im not 100% sure, but seems like it to me.

i have put a lenz silver in one and a zimo chip in the other. both motors are smooth running. no derailments so far but they have only been through medium or large radius points quite slowly.

the sole bar / frame is extremely weak plastic and clipping the frame back into the body was a bit tricky.

they are very light. I'll try a haulage test later on.

my main concern is a very slight wobble or shaking. any ideas how to fix that? or is it like that on every example?

they were 80 pounds each so not bad for the price.


tim

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 22, 2021, 08:44:36 PM
I have two green and one BR blue from Colletts.
The chassis is not always well fitted and the weight is the same as all Dapol DCC ready 73s. Basically a rubbish plastic chassis.
But for the price they are fine.
I don't think there is any difference in engineering between the earlier and later models. That DCC chassis has been around since 2007.


The green ones are fantastic colour wise. Much better green than the brighter MU green used on the Signal Box E6003 from 2007. However that green is not so far away from the current green as the new BR blue one is from what is real BR Blue.
The BR blue one is a totally unacceptable blue compared with the earlier Dapol 73s or even their recent 33s.
And the warning yellow is a pathetic primrose yellow, unlike any BR yellow I've ever seen (and just like Dapols OO warning panel yellow).
I'm sure someone at Dapol or Gaugemaster is colourblind, or certainly isn't consistent, which is what you need as a manufacturer.

It will be weathered to death so that it fits in with the others, and if it still doesn't, it will be sold on.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 23, 2021, 08:54:30 PM
class 73s in action this evening hauling 10 coaches ok (double headed - but they were off the third rail network)

https://youtu.be/IN3BQIwqW3M


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: violets49 on October 23, 2021, 10:39:31 PM
There are some 73 today that are working WELL off of the third rail. I passed one in Glasgow the other day! :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 23, 2021, 11:12:23 PM
yup - re-engined though

still seems strange to see a 73 up north though


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 24, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
One of my favourite liveries is the Dave Jones N Sprays Railtrack.  I've been fortunate to acquire these and an extra dummy loco which I motorised and fitted the lighting from a spare body.

(https://i.imgur.com/WRI0c40.png)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on October 26, 2021, 09:11:13 AM
very nice i like those railtrack 73s!

i think rapido or revolution should make a new version class 73 with better detail and dcc sound plus sparking effect!


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2021, 01:51:39 PM
I'm not sure that would be the best use of their resources.  This updated 73 is a pretty reasonable model, especially for the price, and my new green one runs like an absolute dream (although I appreciate that probably won't be the case with all of them).  I'd much rather see investment on new tooling go to a wholly new model eg a 71, or 2/4-EPB, or pretty much any southern 3rd rail unit.

Sparking effect would be great!

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on October 26, 2021, 02:35:25 PM
I have developed a third rail arc effect using the pocket money kit from MERG.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 26, 2021, 05:27:32 PM
Quote from: Mark on October 26, 2021, 01:51:39 PM
I'd much rather see investment on new tooling go to a wholly new model eg a 71, or 2/4-EPB, or pretty much any southern 3rd rail unit.

Sparking effect would be great!

Mark
Agree 100%.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2021, 07:30:18 PM
Much though I like the looks of the class 71 it's one of those locos I couldn't possibly justify appearing in Oxfordshire as it just wouldn't work!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on October 26, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Newportnobby on October 26, 2021, 07:30:18 PM
Much though I like the looks of the class 71 it's one of those locos I couldn't possibly justify appearing in Oxfordshire as it just wouldn't work!

Of course it would. Just stick it on the track and turn the dial! If for any reason it doesn't work send it back to the shop for a replacement. Whose railway is it after all? 😉

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 26, 2021, 08:51:30 PM
Also, E5001 is pictured at Doncaster in shiny green livery. Something must have hauled it up there, no doubt from Eastleigh via Reading and Didcot/Oxford. Plenty of excuses!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2021, 10:00:28 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 26, 2021, 08:51:30 PM
Also, E5001 is pictured at Doncaster in shiny green livery. Something must have hauled it up there, no doubt from Eastleigh via Reading and Didcot/Oxford. Plenty of excuses!

Thanks, Steve, but I'll pass as I like to see my locos hauling a train of something rather than dead loco.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 26, 2021, 10:06:35 PM
I tried!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on October 27, 2021, 08:27:07 AM
Quote from: LASteve on October 26, 2021, 08:51:30 PM
Also, E5001 is pictured at Doncaster in shiny green livery. Something must have hauled it up there, no doubt from Eastleigh via Reading and Didcot/Oxford. Plenty of excuses!

As someone who has spent many researched and modeling hours over this loco. It is with deep regret to inform you that E5001 went under cosmetic restoration at Shildon where she was resprayed in BR Blue and renumbered to 71001.  :(   
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 28, 2021, 05:37:45 PM
I received my BR Blue 73 yesterday - slightly delayed in customs but anything less than two weeks from the UK is fine with me.

I ran it in for a few minutes in each direction with my DC test setup (sounds grand, it's a 9V battery!) then popped off the body, swapped in a Zimo decoder and two minutes later it was programmed and running on the main layout.

I left it going for about an hour in each direction, and it runs like a sewing machine; really smooth and slow-speed operation is great. Very pleased with this model. I'm not sure about its pulling capacity as it does feel very light in the hand, but it'll be fine for what I have planned for it.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on October 28, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
Quote from: LASteve on October 28, 2021, 05:37:45 PM
Very pleased with this model. I'm not sure about its pulling capacity as it does feel very light in the hand, but it'll be fine for what I have planned for it.
Quick.
Renumber it.
Paint the horns black. They didn't stay silver for long if at all.
Change the colour of the fibreglass roof panels back to grey.
Weather it, to get rid of that hideous bright blue.
THEN it might start to look like a real 73 :)

Best of luck, for whatever you have planned for it!
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 28, 2021, 07:13:35 PM
Quote from: Bob G on October 28, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
Quick.
Renumber it.
Paint the horns black. They didn't stay silver for long if at all.
Change the colour of the fibreglass roof panels back to grey.
Weather it, to get rid of that hideous bright blue.
THEN it might start to look like a real 73 :)

Best of luck, for whatever you have planned for it!
Bob
Thanks, Bob, I'll put all that on the to-do list!

Do you know where I can find appropriate renumber set transfers? I looked at Fox but didn't see anything for the CL 73 in N.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Adam1701D on October 28, 2021, 07:53:33 PM
Try RailTec Models.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on October 28, 2021, 08:00:30 PM
Quote from: captainelectra on October 28, 2021, 07:53:33 PM
Try RailTec Models.
Thanks, Adam. Their waterslide transfers look to be ideal.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: SouthernJohn on October 29, 2021, 11:01:32 AM
My 73 arrived this morning from Kernow, it looks great to me. I picked up the BR Green version, maybe a little late for my period and slightly towards the wrong end of the Southern Region, but I thought something a little more modern would be a treat, at least compared to the kettles anyway.

I did have a small issue with running in, my loco was jerking along at slow speeds which was a real shame even after oiling. However, I did figure out the problem. Some of the packing grease had somehow transferred itself onto the wheels and the wheelbacks of the loco on both bogies, and this was stopping the current from flowing through properly to the motor. A quick clean and it is running like a dream! Just wanted to put this out there in case anybody had a similar problem.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on December 06, 2021, 03:21:46 PM
After running my 73 in a few weeks back I thought I'd take it to our James Street test session yesterday and see how it copes with a train in a real setting rather than my test track. It did about 3m and then started slowing down. After a minute or so a full opening of the controller got it barely moving. Any ideas what might have gone wrong in advance of me taking it to bits?

Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Southerngooner on December 19, 2021, 06:33:44 PM
I finally got around to testing it on my test track today and bizarrely it ran perfectly. I'll take it back to James Street after Xmas and try it again. I did take the body off and what a flimsy model it is until it's all together. The mainframe/buffer beam moulding is really flexible plastic, and the chassis feels light, although it looks like there's room under the cabs for weight if needed. It did pull eight Mk1s without an issue though despite that. Definitely not my best model, but should you expect more for its age and price?

Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on December 19, 2021, 06:57:33 PM
glad to hear yours is working!

yeh the plastic frame is really weak.

unfortunately it's all we have unless we can persuade rapido or revolution to make a better one.

thankfully i have 3 that run well and 1 that runs about average, so I'm ok with 4 working 73s.  i have one more i may sell or convert into a dummy.

a class 74 in n would be nice! come on rapido get on with it!


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: violets49 on December 19, 2021, 11:47:32 PM
I have two. One works perfectly, the other doesn't. I agree with all the comments here. Seems a bit flimsy. Not the best Dapol model I've ever seen. :(
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on December 20, 2021, 08:19:59 AM
I'm going to experiment with cutting a new frame out of very fine glazing lead - I haven't looked into it in too much detail but it should be a relatively easy cut, won't be any less flimsy than the plastic (though no stronger either, frankly) and will add a gram or two. Bit of tungsten fishing putty in the cabs should get that up a bit more too.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Steven B on December 07, 2022, 09:57:23 AM
@captainelectra (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9) Adam, don't suppose you could suggest something grey, yellow and Scouse  for a future Dapol/Gaugemaster class 73 release:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/377/32706128572_7a1dd4f39f_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RQ8syu)
73006 73002 Rhyl 120394 img1211-1394mb-a-m (https://flic.kr/p/RQ8syu) by Tony Woof (https://www.flickr.com/photos/tony_woof/), on Flickr


Steven B.