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Title: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Sharkey51 on March 15, 2024, 05:36:41 AM
1.  Can anyone identify the manufacturer of this carriage? I have had four of them for at least 30 years. There are no names, logos or markings on the models to indicate which manufacturer made them.
The lead weights on the chassis were placed there by me. Otherwise they would be very lightweight models. The corridor connections are my additions, too
2.  Also, any ideas of what coach type is being modelled here?

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Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Bealman on March 15, 2024, 05:51:37 AM
Judging by the U bend coupling, I'd say early Farish.
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: JanW on March 15, 2024, 06:09:51 AM
Farish:
https://www.hattons.co.uk/346303/graham_farish_0625farish_57_mainline_composite_m5801_in_red_cream/stockdetail
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Roy L S on March 15, 2024, 06:10:54 AM
Graham Farish corridor coaches of their early generic design originating from 1970 approx, the droopy couplings and plastic wheels make them fairly early. They were made carrying the liveries of the "Big Four" railway companies plus some oddities like Caledonian plus BR carmine and cream as here. They continued to be made with updated couplings and metal wheels into the 90s and Bachmann takeover except for the BR livery which was dropped when their MK1s came along in the early 80s.
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Wrinkly1 on March 15, 2024, 07:14:39 AM
It looks like some corridor connectors have been added. (They didn't come with the model originally)
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Bealman on March 15, 2024, 07:17:56 AM
The OP added them (see original post).
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Bob Tidbury on March 15, 2024, 08:02:15 AM
I agree very early Grafar They came in Blue and Yellow boxes with White moulded plastic inserts and some had a clear plastic front to the box .
I have still got some of the coaches but the boxes have long gone ,ashame as they would be collectors items .
Bob
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 15, 2024, 09:32:08 AM
Yup old 1970s Grafar with U-bend couplings.  I had some in maroon. The wheels have been replaced.

Models from the tooling are in the 1973 catalogue
https://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1973.pdf (https://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Graham_Farish_1973.pdf)

Not sure when the blood 'n' custard version  was introduced?  A later version with metal wheels and those horrid undercut couplings are in the 1980 catalogue.

https://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Farish%201980%20Catalogue.pdf (https://www.ness-st.co.uk/pdf/Farish%201980%20Catalogue.pdf)


Yes the light weight could be a problem in those old coaches.  As a youngster I used to stuff the underframe with plasticene and paint everything black:)  I think I've still got some sad remnants in the bottom of a box somewhere.

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Found one of mine!  Still in pretty good condition after getting on for 50 years. It's older than the OP's models as mine has screws for the bogies rather than plastic pins. Still got the original wheels and evidence of some mods I made as a kid: remains of plasticene underneath, frames and bogies painted in track colour, and you can see I cut away just a little of the frame to allow the bogies to swivel a little more.  I think I had some pretty severe curves in those days!

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Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: Newportnobby on March 15, 2024, 09:36:34 AM
Further to earlier answers the Farish coaches with running number M5801 were reference 0625.
Just the one coach in carmine & cream
Title: Re: Unknown model and manufacturer
Post by: msr on March 15, 2024, 12:20:46 PM
I bought a rake of four from RoS ten years or so ago which had the underframes painted in brown to create a weathered effect. The brake had a Cat.No.0635.
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