Dapol Maunsell coaches

[talisman56]

Images of the 2-sets under discussion

2-set 'R' (1948) - sets 22-29 - along wth an M7...

http://www.modelrailforum.com/resources/Hornby2007/Images/image727.jpg

2-set 'W' (1958) - sets 100-110.

Maunsell BCK

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/6575.jpg

SECR second (1958 to late 1959)

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/cd971_1.jpg

Maunsell SO (late 1959 on)

http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/wn-2009/1336_davec8383_16mar09h.jpg

[talisman56]

Just spotted on the Dapol website, 'In Stock Now' page.

New release of Maunsell lined Olive Green coaches [with set/usage info where applicable].

2P-012-003 Maunsell Coach First Maunsell Lined Green 7668 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-004 Maunsell Coach First Maunsell Lined Green 7670 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-053 Maunsell Coach Brake 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 4049 [Set 469]
2P-012-054 Maunsell Coach Brake 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 4048 [Set 469] - note that this one duplicates the BTK that was included in the 2P-012-251 4 Coach set in the original release.
2P-012-102 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 2353 [Newhaven boat train stock]
2P-012-103 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 780 [Did not exist - coach 780 was a Maunsell 'Continental' Third]
2P-012-153 Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 5139 [3P-set 391]
2P-012-154 Maunsell Coach Composite Maunsell Lined Green 4150 - typo; should be 5140 [3P-set 396]
2P-012-202 Maunsell Coach Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 700
2P-012-203 Maunsell Coach Brake Van Maunsell Lined Green 422
2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.

Still no further news on the availability of the 4-compartment BTKs (that go with the Composites) and 6-compartment BCKs.

The NC040B Yellow Light Bars which are appropriate for these coaches are back in stock, apparently.

[Plainline.]

Thank you all for your replies and advice. They are much appreciated.

[talisman56]

2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.

Looks like normal response from Dapol - question asked on the FB post on 13 April, no reply yet...

[Newportnobby]

2P-012-252 Maunsell 6 Coach Set Maunsell Lined Green

I have enquired of Dapol what set/coach types and numbers comprise the -252 set.

Looks like normal response from Dapol - question asked on the FB post on 13 April, no reply yet...

I believe they have written to Mr. Maunsell and are waiting a reply

[nobby]

according to kernow model centre the 6 coach pack 2P-012-252 contains

FK 7665         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2349
TK 2350         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2351
BTK 4048       already in 2P-012-251
BTK 4049

I hope this is not right as 3 of the above are aready in the 4 coach pack from the first release 2P-012-251 and was hoping that the next release 2P-012-252 would be the balance of the coaches for the first set, whats the point of going to the trouble of making coach sets if you do this?

[Bob G]

Actually Dapol don't have that many choices for sets from the coach variants they have produced to date. There are only two eight coach sets which match the models produced:

Set 469 BTK 4048-TK 2349-TK 2350-FK 7665-FK 7666-FK 7667-TK 2351-TBK 4049 (London - Worthing)
Set 470 BTK 4050-TK 2354-FK 7671-FK 7672-FK 7673-FK 7674-TK 2355-TBK 4051 (London - Eastbourne)

I am surprised Dapol have filled the pack with Thirds. These two sets were renowned for the number of first class seats in the trains. They were for well heeled commuters!

Other options of smaller packs will come when the four compartment third brakes and six compartment composite brakes are released. Then we can have West of England coach sets with individual BCKs and BTK-CK-BTK sets all splitting up at Exeter and beyond for all points west on the withered arm.

HTH
Bob

[talisman56]

according to kernow model centre the 6 coach pack 2P-012-252 contains

FK 7665         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2349
TK 2350         already in 2P-012-251
TK 2351
BTK 4048       already in 2P-012-251
BTK 4049

I hope this is not right as 3 of the above are aready in the 4 coach pack from the first release 2P-012-251 and was hoping that the next release 2P-012-252 would be the balance of the coaches for the first set, whats the point of going to the trouble of making coach sets if you do this?

Actually, it's quite a good set to produce, as it is the formation of set 469 post the removal of two of the FKs in 1933*. Just wish they'd done that in the first release to avoid the duplication which they now have... All they needed to produce separately is FKs 7666 (no) and 7667 (which they did in the previous -251 set) and the customer could augment the set to the original formation with 7667 between 2350 and 7665 and 7666 between 7665 and 2349.

* 469 - BTK 4068-TK 2351-TK 2350-FK 7665-TK 2349-BTK 4069 (according to the usual sources).

[talisman56]

Having had another look through the list of the latest Maunsells, there is another blow to the Dapol reputation for accuracy - such that it is...

2P-012-103 Maunsell Coach 3rd Maunsell Lined Green 780 [Loose]

The note has now been changed to [Did not exist].

Coach 780 was a Maunsell 'Continental' Corridor Third, a completely different beast:

Body 62' x 8' 6.5", and only had 7 compartments and a half-compartment coupe; there was a vestibule at each end of the vehicle and the doors to these opened inwards, but most vehicles had been altered to outward opening doors by the end of SR ownership.

Compartment side (of a 3rd Brake, but gives an idea of design differences):

http://www.semgonline.com/coach/pics/jaa_3554.jpg

Corridor side (of the same vehicle as above, completely different window layout):

http://www.imber.me.uk/SECR-3554.jpg

A little bit of research - like reading a copy of David Gould's Maunsell's SR Steam Stock - would have brough that to light.

[Chris in Prague]

Hi Bob, I eager await (in BR SR Green though) the Maunsell four-compartment third brakes and six-compartment composite brakes suitable for services over the Withered Arm services. Any idea when the Maunsell  BCKs and BTKs will be released?

[Bob G]

Chris

Me too, and in the same livery (and in crimson and cream if they ever do those too).
I have no idea of availability but the EPs looked good so its just livery approval and then a production slot issue I guess.

With so many 4-compartment BTKs and 6-compartment BCKs needed, we might use up the entire production run between us

There was a time when we would have re-liveried the 6-compartment BTK and been very happy. Now there is something like an extra 1mm gap between the first and third compartments to show the firsts are larger compartments. wow.

Best
Bob

[Chris in Prague]

I need to make two BR SR Green 2P 2-Sets, (one will be 2P 981), formed of a Maunsell BSK [BTK] and a Maunsell BCK (of the appropriate type for local trains in North Cornwall).

Whilst I wait, I have treated myself, bought from Rails of Sheffield, a Bulleid 3-Coach Set BR (SR) Green 374-991 for £76.46. This is a cost-effective way (individual coaches are now close to £30) of adding some very nice BR SR Green Bulleid coaches to a fleet. (Kernow has them at the same price, I believe, as do Hatton's). What makes them special is that they have a 800 series Set No. on the outer ends. This is authentic for a BR SR 3L 3-Set (used in North Cornwall): BSK(Semi)+CK+BSK(Semi) (Bulleid), which often, at peak periods had a 'loose' Maunsell SK (8 Compart. All 3rd, Diag. 2001) [which I have, assuming I have correctly identified the Dapol model] added. These three / four will make a Penmayne portion of Waterloo services.

Eventually, I will create other sets with Set Numbers (transfers are available). I'm not sure whether GF will have fitted close-couplers within the set but that would be an obvious modification as would adding Concertina Gangway Connectors Bellows (available to buy). This may be a modelling project for this summer?

[talisman56]

The Bulleids have the same auto-adjust coupler mechanism as the Mark 1s have. They're fairly close on the straight and the gap increases as they go round curves...

The 800-series Bulleid sets - the Farish one is 830 - had two Bulleid SK's added in the summer, usually one either side of the CK, but it was known for the shunters to get lazy (or short of time) and bung them both in at one end...

Set 830 was introduced in 1950 as a 3-set (BTK 3971-CK 5848-BTK 3972) and would have been outshopped in Crimson/Cream livery, and attained BR(S) Green sometime after mid-1956. As noted above, it would run as a 3-set in the winter and then as a 5-set for the Summer timetable period. In November 1959, two SKs (114/115) were added to the set, in the correct manner, and this formation became permanent until set working was discontinued in March 1966. The individual coaches of set 830 were withdrawn on 5/66 (3971), 10/66 (3972) and 9/67 (5848). 114 and 115 got the dreaded 'X in a circle' marking in 11/67 and 9/67 respectively. One could model the set in its 3- and 5-coach formation with the Farish Bulleids as available (the 'temporary' Summer TKs were any two loose ones that could be found), but would need to overlook the fact that 114/115 were 'long-tank' SKs for the post-1959 permanent 5-coach formation.

[talisman56]

Not seen this mentioned here, but I was trawling through the Rails (of Sheffield) Dapol Coach pages and spotted these new additions available for pre-order:

2P-012-303   SR Maunsell Corridor 1st S7208S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-304   SR Maunsell Corridor 1st S7367S BR(S) Green [incorrect number - 7367 was an 'Continental' 1st]
2P-012-353   SR Maunsell Corridor Brake 2nd S4050S BR(S) Green [set 470]
2P-012-354   SR Maunsell Corridor Brake 2nd S4482S BR(S) Green [incorrect number - 4482 was a Boat train 2nd in SR days, renumbered 2773 in 1954 when downgraded to 3rd]
2P-012-402   SR Maunsell Corridor 2nd S810S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-403   SR Maunsell Corridor 2nd S823S BR(S) Green [loose]
2P-012-453   SR Maunsell Corridor Composite S5150S BR(S) Green [set 448]
2P-012-454   SR Maunsell Corridor Composite S5149S BR(S) Green [set 447]
2P-012-503   SR PMY Brake Van S750S BR(S) Green
2P-012-504   SR PMY Brake Van S766S BR(S) Green

Looks like a new batch of BR(S) Green liveried Maunsells are imminent. New batch, same old mistakes...

[EDIT: My memory must be failing me, as I had already replied to Widnes Model Centre's post in the Dapol New Releases 2016/17 thread regarding this...  ]

[Chris in Prague]

Many thanks. Very sad that Dapol still can't get it right when the reference books are not hard to find.