I can't remember seeing a thread on Tanktainers. Nothing to do with @Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) but the 20ft container sized tanks.
Having being inspired by the Revolution trains/c rail high cubes I thought it prudent to dig out my tank kits. I built one about 7 years ago but never got round to finishing it off.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/492-021217151139.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/492-021217150630.jpeg)
Still needs weathering and dulling down.
For those that don't know BulkHaul is a Middlesbrough based company owned by Steve Gibson, The Chairman of Middlesbrough Football Club. This tank isn't in their usual colour scheme which is mustard yellow and blue. Kind of the reverse of the tank pictured.
I have built a couple more to go alongside the Highcubes and 30 foot interbulk containers.
Enjoy.
Cheers
Kirky
Nice work Kirky,
Here's mine - BHE kit and home made transfers
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/main_23989.JPG)
Cheers Jon :)
Nice one Jon. Really good that.
Didn't know there was a BHE kit. I'll have to check it out but I'm afraid I'm one of those people who hadn't had much success from buying stuff from BHE.
Have just corrected the spelling of the thread name to 'Tanktainers' as it was 'Tanktainrd'
Time to get your nails clipped, Kirky ;) :P
Quote from: newportnobby on December 02, 2017, 08:32:49 PM
Have just corrected the spelling of the thread name to 'Tanktainers' as it was 'Tanktainrd'
Time to get your nails clipped, Kirky ;) :P
I think I started the thread on my phone whilst Mrs K was driving me and the kids to visit my parents. The kids were going nutty in the back of the car. Multi tasking is not my forte clearly.
Here is mine. Still needs weathering.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/852-021217225212.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58849)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/153-021217230843.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58850)
Something I have available in my 3D portfolio............
You can get tanktainers from c-rail in kit form.
Arran also does the transfers as well.
Ron
Indeed my tanktainer is a crail product. I think both the other two are the BHE etches. They look really good. C Rail does transfers which are high quality transfers - way better than some I could mention.
@NTrain (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=153) Bob, that looks fantastic but I cant find it any of your on-line shops, shapeways, ebay or your website. Id be interested in that, it looks the business.
Cheers
Kirky
It was something I did for someone and didn'get round to adding for general sale. Will polish it off and get up on Shapeways and look at including as a stock item later.
I may do a minor update.
Quote from: NTrain on December 03, 2017, 08:14:48 AM
It was something I did for someone and didn'get round to adding for general sale. Will polish it off and get up on Shapeways and look at including as a stock item later.
I may do a minor update.
Brilliant Bob, thats really great news.
I would have thought that in the 3D world its fairly straight forward to add a variety of versions? (I could be talking out my backside here tho) For instance, would it be possible to offer that same tank but with a complete frame around it. I would buy both versions, or more if you can do them easily. The reason I ask is that BulkHaul containers appear to be almost singularly unique, in that not one is the same as the next.
Have a look at this and youll see what I mean https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bulkhaul+tank+containers&safe=active&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBx7SLtu3XAhWlB8AKHffhARYQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=732 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bulkhaul+tank+containers&safe=active&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiBx7SLtu3XAhWlB8AKHffhARYQ_AUICygC&biw=1536&bih=732)
Cheers
Kirky
Quote from: Merrylee on December 02, 2017, 11:18:39 PM
You can get tanktainers from c-rail in kit form.
Arran also does the transfers as well.
Ron
Just to clarify, I did send C-Rail an email but no response as yet, I would need to buy a kit AND a transfer sheet?
Quote from: Cape Town Trev on December 03, 2017, 08:57:14 AMJust to clarify, I did send C-Rail an email but no response as yet, I would need to buy a kit AND a transfer sheet?
Yes.
Not offering both together allows flexibility with other manufacturers kits or by making your own transfers, as shown elsewhere in this thread.
Caution is advised as Arran sells tanktainer transfers for 1/148 OR 1/160. Sheet number 9 is the N gauge one.
However each sheet of transfers provides enough logos for up to 10 tanktainers. If you're only going to make one or two it might be worthwhile asking if anyone has any spares.
Quote from: Buzzard on December 03, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
Quote from: Cape Town Trev on December 03, 2017, 08:57:14 AMJust to clarify, I did send C-Rail an email but no response as yet, I would need to buy a kit AND a transfer sheet?
Yes.
Not offering both together allows flexibility with other manufacturers kits or by making your own transfers, as shown elsewhere in this thread.
Caution is advised as Arran sells tanktainer transfers for 1/148 OR 1/160. Sheet number 9 is the N gauge one.
However each sheet of transfers provides enough logos for up to 10 tanktainers. If you're only going to make one or two it might be worthwhile asking if anyone has any spares.
Thanks for the "heads up" Buzzard.
I may order some kits to pick up when I am over in England.
Quote from: Buzzard on December 03, 2017, 09:17:21 AM
Caution is advised as Arran sells tanktainer transfers for 1/148 OR 1/160. Sheet number 9 is the N gauge one.
The sheet No.5 has BulkHaul tanktainers and bulktainers (30ft) included. Its described as N gauge and presumably is 1/148, having said that, I would never have guessed if is a few percent too small.
Cheers
Kirky
Quote from: PostModN66 on December 02, 2017, 03:37:42 PM
Nice work Kirky,
Here's mine - BHE kit and home made transfers
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/main_23989.JPG)
Cheers Jon :)
Can I ask what the prototypical length of that would be and what sort of wagon would carry it, Jon?
There is a fellow member seeking a 20ft container and wagon @Lawrence (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Pretty sure they're 20ft prototypically.
They fit any standard road rail or sea container carriers, so for rail, FEA, FYA, KQA etc etc
cheers
Kiky
Yes, it doesn't in any way help Lawrence. They're just ISO container sized.
Quote from: kirky on December 03, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Pretty sure they're 20ft prototypically.
They fit any standard road rail or sea container carriers, so for rail, FEA, FYA, KQA etc etc
cheers
Kirky
Thanks, Kirky. Can I ask who makes FEA/FYA/KQA wagons as there are none on the Farish site and I'm totally clueless when it comes to these acronyms?
My model is the 30ft Rugby Cement version, but I could add a full frame as an alternative.
I also do a lorry kit and container trailer for off track use
Quote from: newportnobby on December 03, 2017, 10:41:13 AM
Quote from: kirky on December 03, 2017, 10:34:08 AM
@newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) Pretty sure they're 20ft prototypically.
They fit any standard road rail or sea container carriers, so for rail, FEA, FYA, KQA etc etc
cheers
Kirky
Thanks, Kirky. Can I ask who makes FEA/FYA/KQA wagons as there are none on the Farish site and I'm totally clueless when it comes to these acronyms?
I think I may have answered my own question as I believe the 3 quoted are 60ft intermodals which are too long for the layout.
Is it possible the tanktainers would have been carried on short wheel based wagons (either flat or open) and could they have been craned on/off?
Quote from: NTrain on December 03, 2017, 10:51:53 AM
My model is the 30ft Rugby Cement version, but I could add a full frame as an alternative.
I also do a lorry kit and container trailer for off track use
@NTrain (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=153)
Ah, I hadnt realised it was 30 footer. Id still be interested tho.
Any chance of doing varieties in the more common 20 foot?
Cheers
Kirky
Whisky tanktainers were carried on 30ft FBB low ride height FL flats. The Farish AB can be modified for this.
20ft ISO tanktainers were also occasionally carried on PFA (Cawoods/BR Fuels) flats.
Rgds
Mark
Quote from: westie7 on December 03, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
Whisky tanktainers were carried on 30ft FBB low ride height FL flats. The Farish AB can be modified for this.
20ft ISO tanktainers were also occasionally carried on PFA (Cawoods/BR Fuels) flats.
Rgds
Mark
@Lawrence (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=16)
Thanks Mark :thumbsup:
I've just ordered 5 x tanktainers and transfers from C-rail.
Would these only go on 60ft chassis or is it possible to get 20ft chassis for them to sit on ? I've looked on the Peco site but they seem to only go up to 15ft.
If they are available where can i get them from please ?
Rob.
You can get kits of PFA wagons, which were designed for a single 20' coal container. I'm not aware of them being used more widely, and can't see why it would happen given the proliferation of FFA/FGA FSA, FEA etc all with 60' loading deck. However Mark says it happened occasionally.
Edit: can you just pass me some of that humble pie?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/P-Tops-codes/PFA-2-axle-intermodal-carriers/i-rcXxFJ7/0/eb4a2bf0/X2/PFA_92813_BFL_TomSmith-X2.jpg)
I also forgot about the MOD using PFAs with 20' ISO containers, which would be of interest to Lawrence.
Tank container being uploaded to Shapeways now...........
Can't find the pic, probably on an old fotopic archive 😂 But the 20ft iso tank I saw on a PFA was branded Omya
Would these chassis be suitable ?
http://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_46&product_id=79 (http://www.c-rail-intermodal.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=18_46&product_id=79)
I would ask if that MOD PFA (25) is the white metal kit?
You want the plastic kit Coal PFA chassis.
Send Arran a message just to make sure
Quote from: njee20 on December 03, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/UKRailRollingstock/P-Tops-codes/PFA-2-axle-intermodal-carriers/i-rcXxFJ7/0/eb4a2bf0/X2/PFA_92813_BFL_TomSmith-X2.jpg)
I also forgot about the MOD using PFAs with 20' ISO containers, which would be of interest to Lawrence.
The frame design of the tanktainer is ideal for use with the 2 axle 20ft PFAs. The axleguards on these wagons projected about 6 inches above the floor level. The lower floor was intended to allow the taller coal containers to operate on gauge restricted routes from collieries but still contain a useful payload. Cutouts in the floor of the coal containers matched the projections of the axleguards.
Does anyone have any images of what the C-rail tanktainer kits look like delivered? I would be interested to know how much you have to do to these (transfers are a mission on their own) Has anyone considered doing these ready to run?
I'll put pics up when mine are delivered if that helps,
Rob.
It's not many parts, just as simple a kit as the PFAs, more parts in a 1:144 airfix spitfire 😊 there's also the etched walkways and ladders as an optional extra
Quote from: mickster04 on December 04, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
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Has anyone considered doing these ready to run?
Well, there was thread started on the Dapol Digest ( https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/n-gauge-models/accessories/containers/3932-tanktainers-rtr-in-n ) a year ago. But, it kinda fizzled out after only two days and three posts.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1353-051217062203.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58920)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1353-051217062316.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58921)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/1353-051217062421.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58922)
Not the best work I've ever done, but here is one of Arran's that I made earlier.
Drilled the bottom framing to fit locating pegs so as to load onto a Farish Freightliner wagon.....
I really should do the transfers sometime !
Quote from: mickster04 on December 04, 2017, 08:30:58 PM(transfers are a mission on their own)
Reverse psychology could be applied by putting some transfers on before the kit is completed.
For my Stolt tanktainer I
Built the tank barrel and added the ends
Put the transfers on the barrel, including the silver/grey banding
Finished the frame around the barrel
Put the transfers on the ends and finally
Put on the walkway and ladder
Didn't fancy getting the banding right on a completed kit i.e. under the walkway so that's why I turned the whole process on its head.
Sometimes it pays to remember that you don't have to follow the rules.
Yeah I agree this is the best way, especially with the silver bands.
Quote from: Buzzard on December 05, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: mickster04 on December 04, 2017, 08:30:58 PM(transfers are a mission on their own)
Reverse psychology could be applied by putting some transfers on before the kit is completed.
For my Stolt tanktainer I
Built the tank barrel and added the ends
Put the transfers on the barrel, including the silver/grey banding
Finished the frame around the barrel
Put the transfers on the ends and finally
Put on the walkway and ladder
Didn't fancy getting the banding right on a completed kit i.e. under the walkway so that's why I turned the whole process on its head.
Sometimes it pays to remember that you don't have to follow the rules.
Quote from: Buzzard on December 05, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Quote from: mickster04 on December 04, 2017, 08:30:58 PM(transfers are a mission on their own)
Reverse psychology could be applied by putting some transfers on before the kit is completed.
For my Stolt tanktainer I
Built the tank barrel and added the ends
Put the transfers on the barrel, including the silver/grey banding
Finished the frame around the barrel
Put the transfers on the ends and finally
Put on the walkway and ladder
Didn't fancy getting the banding right on a completed kit i.e. under the walkway so that's why I turned the whole process on its head.
Sometimes it pays to remember that you don't have to follow the rules.
Picture please.
Cheers
Kirky
@mickster04 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3841)
Here's a quick pic of the frets as they come. You need two frets to make up one tanktainer, although you wont need all the parts.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/492-051217153744.jpeg)
It would be quite nice if there were some walkway etches that we could use instead of the plastic lump that come with the kit. Any ideas anyone?
cheers
Kirky
Quote from: kirky on December 05, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
It would be quite nice if there were some walkway etches that we could use instead of the plastic lump that come with the kit. Any ideas anyone?
cheers
Kirky
There are (were?) walkways
Ask Arran at C Rail
Quote from: kirky on December 05, 2017, 03:44:27 PM
@mickster04 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3841)
It would be quite nice if there were some walkway etches that we could use instead of the plastic lump that come with the kit. Any ideas anyone?
cheers
Kirky
Take a piece of kitchen aluminium foil and place it over the walkway. Brush gently with a small paintbrush to copy the relief to the foil. Make a thin copy of the walkway in 0.25mm plasticard and smear the upper surface of this with Pritt stick or similar. Lay the sticky side of the plasticard onto the underside of the foil image so it is fully adhered. Let it dry for an hour or two. Spray with aerosol car accessory primer. Let it fully dry. Then cut round the new foil covered plasticard shape to reveal your new thinner walkway. OK it is a bit of work but once primed this should give a finer appearance.
This ribbed roof was made in this way in 1992 and 25 years on is still going strong.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/main_18008.jpg)
Hi @westie7 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=563) I know there are walkways on he fret, theyre the E shape on the frets. But Im asking if there are etched brass walkways which would be much finer. Are you saying that c rail sell etched walkways?
Cheers
Kirky
Yeah he did do them, dunno if he still does, I grabbed a few many moons ago. If you get them from CRail, take your time they're well fiddly
Quote from: kirky on December 05, 2017, 04:09:46 PM
Hi @westie7 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=563) I know there are walkways on he fret, theyre the E shape on the frets. But Im asking if there are etched brass walkways which would be much finer. Are you saying that c rail sell etched walkways?
Cheers
Kirky
Hi
They certainly used to as I have a couple of sets.
Cheers
Paul
Thanks guys. I cant find them on his website. I'll email him.
Thanks again
Kirky
Hopefully if this picture uploads correctly you'll get a brutal close up of a 20' ISO Tank on a PFA
Etched walkway and ladder from CRail, horizontal frame cut away and replaced with plastic and to represent spider style tank.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/563-051217171208.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58928)
Quote from: kirky on December 05, 2017, 09:32:11 AMPicture please.
A rather crude one but I blame my phone
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/2878-101217153814.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59111)
Yes the walkway should be silver, and it will be one day.