Not sure how to phrase this question !
One sees so many horror stories about troubles with this or that batch from this or that manufacturer, but considering that on forums peeps tend to post about problems and the silent majority being happily silent (understandably) one wonders how best to proceed !
I have 3 (simple? 0-6-0) locos, two 4F and a J39 which run well enough but feel the need for /some retail therapy/ a more comprehensive stable such as a express passenger or flagship loco from the steam era.
I should maybe say that I have a tendency to view ex-LMS or ex-LNER with favour, but shhhhhh, I dont want to exclude other peoples fancy ( nor that of SWMBO who would like an ex-GWR type ). Probably loco body powered not tender driven. Probably currently available from the usual retailers, not an ebay watch.
So Rule1 applies - which of you more experienced multi-owners would favour which loco ?
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 13, 2015, 10:08:23 PM
Not sure how to phrase this question !
One sees so many horror stories about troubles with this or that batch from this or that manufacturer, but considering that on forums peeps tend to post about problems and the silent majority being happily silent (understandably) one wonders how best to proceed !
I have 3 (simple? 0-6-0) locos, two 4F and a J39 which run well enough but feel the need for /some retail therapy/ a more comprehensive stable such as a express passenger or flagship loco from the steam era.
I should maybe say that I have a tendency to view ex-LMS or ex-LNER with favour, but shhhhhh, I dont want to exclude other peoples fancy ( nor that of SWMBO who would like an ex-GWR type ). Probably loco body powered not tender driven. Probably currently available from the usual retailers, not an ebay watch.
So Rule1 applies - which of you more experienced multi-owners would favour which loco ?
Tender Driven I know is not your preference but I have no less than seven Farish B1s (All BR, three renumbered) and they have proved consistently reliable runners with great haulage capacity.
For a model with loco drive, personally I would favour the Farish Duchess if you want a big passenger loco or the BR Standard 5MT if you wanted something with greater utility.
Quote from: Roy L S on December 13, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
Tender Driven I know is not your preference but I have no less than seven Farish B1s (All BR, three renumbered) and they have proved consistently reliable runners with great haulage capacity.
For a model with loco drive, personally I would favour the Farish Duchess if you want a big passenger loco or the BR Standard 5MT if you wanted something with greater utility.
Thank you Roy, very interesting - B1s added to list !
Yes, sorry, you are right, after trying to keep my question broad I fell into the trap of a prejudice !! So all suggestions welcome cardan or pusher ! , , ,
I do like the idea of a Duchess, that would fit in very well.
EDIT PS is a 5MT a Stanier Black5 ? >>> goes googling >>>
>>>EDIT2 No, it was a Riddles post'48 but similar to the Stanier.
Quote from: Roy L S on December 13, 2015, 10:21:04 PM
For a model with loco drive, personally I would favour the Farish Duchess if you want a big passenger loco or the BR Standard 5MT if you wanted something with greater utility.
I'd go with either of these (I have one of each) as they both run very nicely.
I agree with Roy. The Farish B1 and Duchess are lovely models.
Another I'd suggest (especially for freight) is the fabulous Farish WD 2-8-0.
Not the Longmoor Military Railway version as, for some reason, there seems to have been a lot of trouble with it despite it presumably sharing the very same chassis :confused2:
If you don't want to 'go large' then the Farish Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0 is a little beauty.
From my own experience and that of close friends I would endorse the above advice. The Duchess is superb, and I have been very happy with my slightly earlier Farish tender drivers, including B1, Std5, Jubilees and Royal Scot. And I ran my Std 4 Mogul for over an hour last week on the club layout with none of the wheel locking for which the model has a reputation. And the Ivatt is indeed a beauty. How about a Fairburn tank? Not sure if the Black 5 is currently available but I think it can be pre-ordered (others may know better than me). And some of these do appear on E Bay. but I guess you would not want the earlier version of the Black 5, so check the catalogue numbers if buying one.
The Farish Ivatt 2-6-2T (41XXX) is a great little locomotive if you want to go for a tank engine.
I don`t know what the production runs are of loco`s but it must run into thousands to make them worthwhile.In fairness,the only ones you hear about are the one that go wrong.The only criticism i have of modern locos is the amount of fragile fine detail on them.While cleaning my Dapol 9f with a soft brush,i managed to knock of the regulator linkage.
Ray.
Gone right off all tender driven Loco's so now in future just going to go down the Diesel and Electric route, Rule 1 applies always on my Layout but I have to say the 4F is a great runner.
Quote from: port perran on December 14, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
The Farish Ivatt 2-6-2T (41XXX) is a great little locomotive if you want to go for a tank engine.
I think that's a Dapol loco, Martin ;)
Quote from: 7P5F on December 14, 2015, 11:24:01 AM
I don`t know what the production runs are of loco`s but it must run into thousands to make them worthwhile.
While not officially confirmed, for a standard release, (excluding limited editions, special commissions etc) Dapol is usually 504 of each identity, and Farish around 1000 of each identity. Normally 3 - 5 different identities will be provided in the initial release, and 2 or 3 at a time in later releases, so total for a production run could be anywhere between 1000 and 5000.
Ah ! re 41xxx, that's why I have been scratching my head :) !
Thanks for all the interesting information everyone, so far it's beginning to look a bit like a Duchess moving high up the list for Xmas, then one of the others for her birthday in January :)
Thanks NPN for the tip re. the Longmoor set loco, I wonder if I need to be carefull about the Duchess in the Cumbrian set as well ?
Research continues ,,,
Quote from: newportnobby on December 14, 2015, 12:32:16 PM
Quote from: port perran on December 14, 2015, 11:12:47 AM
The Farish Ivatt 2-6-2T (41XXX) is a great little locomotive if you want to go for a tank engine.
I think that's a Dapol loco, Martin ;)
Oops - my mistake ! :dunce:
The newer Farish locos with loco housed coreless motors are very good, I have a standard class 5, a SR class N and a Merchant Navy, all ran beautifully from the word go and still do.
I've a bunch of diesels and electrics from GF and D that are very reliable, sorry don't do kettles.
John P
Quote from: silly moo on December 14, 2015, 05:39:59 PM
The newer Farish locos with loco housed coreless motors are very good, I have a standard class 5, a SR class N and a Merchant Navy, all ran beautifully from the word go and still do.
I also have a Merchant Navy and N class which run beautifully. Others I have are Farish Duchess, Fairburn tank and Midland 4F - all great runners.
:beers:
Try Kato . . .
Quote from: Pengi on December 14, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
Try Kato . . .
No doubt reliable Pengi BUT... No lubbly jubbly BR kettles which I'm sure is what MalcolmAl is looking for (I think?)
:) :beers:
Quote from: austinbob on December 14, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Pengi on December 14, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
Try Kato . . .
No doubt reliable Pengi BUT... No lubbly jubbly BR kettles which I'm sure is what MalcolmAl is looking for (I think?)
:) :beers:
:thumbsup:
Exactly so Bob :)
Edit of post#1
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 13, 2015, 10:08:23 PM
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I have 3 (simple? 0-6-0) locos, two 4F and a J39 which run well enough but feel the need for /some retail therapy/ a more comprehensive stable such as a express passenger or flagship loco from the steam era.
I should maybe say that I have a tendency to view ex-LMS or ex-LNER with favour
,
but Rule1 applies - which of you more experienced multi-owners would favour which loco ?
the Managing Directoress wants something 'pretty' now, and could fancy an ex-GWR type :)
Actually I should have made the title " reliable
out of the box " , after my experiences with 2 other locos at my local emporium some long time ago now.
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 14, 2015, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 14, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Pengi on December 14, 2015, 07:05:59 PM
Try Kato . . .
No doubt reliable Pengi BUT... No lubbly jubbly BR kettles which I'm sure is what MalcolmAl is looking for (I think?)
:) :beers:
:thumbsup:
Exactly so Bob :)
Edit of post#1
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 13, 2015, 10:08:23 PM
,
I have 3 (simple? 0-6-0) locos, two 4F and a J39 which run well enough but feel the need for /some retail therapy/ a more comprehensive stable such as a express passenger or flagship loco from the steam era.
I should maybe say that I have a tendency to view ex-LMS or ex-LNER with favour
,
but Rule1 applies - which of you more experienced multi-owners would favour which loco ?
the Managing Directoress wants something 'pretty' now, and could fancy an ex-GWR type :)
Actually I should have made the title " reliable out of the box " , after my experiences with 2 other locos at my local emporium some long time ago now.
How about a blue Tornado - another nice runner. Or Join the Bachmann club and get a Caledonian Fairburn tank. Again - very pretty and a nice runner.
:beers:
Thanks Bob, good ideas :) I had forgotten about Tornado, not come across much discussion on the forum about it.
Kato do make kettles
Link (http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=steam%20Kato%20scale~~%ACn%AC~~scale%20category~~1250~~category)
Don't know if it is what you are looking for - kettles all look the same to me, ugly :P
Quote from: Pengi on December 15, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
Kato do make kettles
Link (http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=steam%20Kato%20scale~~%ACn%AC~~scale%20category~~1250~~category)
Don't know if it is what you are looking for - kettles all look the same to me, ugly :P
You're right Pengi. Those kettles in your link are pretty ugly!! :P.
Its the Brit steamers you should be looking at... Bootiful.
:bounce:
:laughabovepost:
Point of order - they aint kettles, they be industrial scale tea urns
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
they ranged far and wide and lasted well into the diseasal era...
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
they ranged far and wide and lasted well into the diseasal era...
I agree - mines a great runner although its tender drive and I prefer loco drive.
:beers:
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 15, 2015, 08:56:51 AM
Thanks Bob, good ideas :) I had forgotten about Tornado, not come across much discussion on the forum about it.
I recently got the tender drive tornado in the green livery. Great loco. Not as quiet as the 5MT but still very nice. I can recommend either.
Quote from: austinbob on December 15, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
they ranged far and wide and lasted well into the diseasal era...
I agree - mines a great runner although its tender drive and I prefer loco drive.
:beers:
Hi Bob
The Farish BR "Standard Five" is not tender driven it is one of the latest coreless motor loco-drives.
Are you confusing it with the tender driven Stanier "Black Five"?
Regards
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on December 15, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 15, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
they ranged far and wide and lasted well into the diseasal era...
I agree - mines a great runner although its tender drive and I prefer loco drive.
:beers:
Hi Bob
The Farish BR "Standard Five" is not tender driven it is one of the latest coreless motor loco-drives.
Are you confusing it with the tender driven Stanier "Black Five"?
Regards
Roy
No confusion. My 5MT is a couple of years old - have they changed the drive system? Maybe I'm wrong about the tender drive - I'll have a check tomorrow.
:beers:
I had a Farish black 5 (not the more recent BR standard class 5MT) a couple of years ago. Ran horribly out of the box, but gradually became almost acceptably smooth after running in. Being a tender drive, its ability to pull was not the greatest. Even with an extra piece of lead added to the tender, it would barely pull a rake of 6 Farish Stanier coaches up a 1.6% grade without slipping. Since this was my main line, the loco's performance was unacceptable and so it had to go. On the flat it would probably have been fine.
Webbo
Thanks guys, very interesting but you are all a bit ahead of my pay grade :wave: :-[
so forgive some dumb questions :--
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
which 5 designation/model(Farish number) is that please ? There seem to be a lot of 5thingies about.
and yes, I'll go question some S&D men in a book about them by Alan Hammond that my daughter bought me some years ago :thumbsup:
Quote from: Hyperion on December 15, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
the tender drive tornado in the green livery.
the 5MT but still very nice.
So by implication there is a loco body drive Tornado version as well ?
,
and the 5MT is as Fisherman's ?
Finally (!) would I be silly to expect the Duchess to go round Peco 1st Radius ? better on the Kato (nearly)10inch ? ( I realise that it would look silly, but is it one of those that would actually do so ?)
Thanks.
Late PS ah! as I was typing the above 5stuff Webbo has some added some more , , , > reading >>
more edit, ooops and Roy and Bob and SillyMoo all have more 5ish stuff, would some Farish designations/model numbers help here ?
I remember the Stanier Black 5 of my youth ,,, but not in detail ! I was young and it was long ago !!
The Farish STANDARD 5MT is as follows-
352-725 BR black with late crest
352-726 BR green
352-727 BR black. Website says late crest, picture shows it as early.
I haven't one of these myself, but ONLY because there is no evidence of them ever running on the line I model. The similarly motored 2MT and WD I do have, (2 of each), and both are relatively trouble-free, apart from not being able to get a repair done on one WD because the circuit board has been removed to fit a sound chip.
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on December 15, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
The Farish STANDARD 5MT is as follows-
352-725 BR black with late crest
352-726 BR green
352-727 BR black. Website says late crest, picture shows it as early.
Thanks Les,
So the famous workhorse Stanier Black 5 never became (or maybe evolved into ) the BR Standard 5MT, was that the Riddles one then maybe , , ,
I think I have some maj. Googling to do :)
Quote from: Les1952 on December 15, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
352-725
352-726
352-727
Eeek, a Google on those Farish & #
gives no results :(
:confused2: :doh:
EDIT Ah !!
372-etc
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 15, 2015, 10:47:32 PM
So by implication there is a loco body drive Tornado version as well ?
Both of the currently produced tornado are tender drive. Possibly an earlier version had the motor in the loco body?
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 15, 2015, 10:47:32 PM
Thanks guys, very interesting but you are all a bit ahead of my pay grade :wave: :-[
so forgive some dumb questions :--
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
which 5 designation/model(Farish number) is that please ? There seem to be a lot of 5thingies about.
and yes, I'll go question some S&D men in a book about them by Alan Hammond that my daughter bought me some years ago :thumbsup:
Quote from: Hyperion on December 15, 2015, 09:36:28 PM
the tender drive tornado in the green livery.
the 5MT but still very nice.
So by implication there is a loco body drive Tornado version as well ?
,
and the 5MT is as Fisherman's ?
Finally (!) would I be silly to expect the Duchess to go round Peco 1st Radius ? better on the Kato (nearly)10inch ? ( I realise that it would look silly, but is it one of those that would actually do so ?)
Thanks.
Late PS ah! as I was typing the above 5stuff Webbo has some added some more , , , > reading >>
more edit, ooops and Roy and Bob and SillyMoo all have more 5ish stuff, would some Farish designations/model numbers help here ?
I remember the Stanier Black 5 of my youth ,,, but not in detail ! I was young and it was long ago !!
The tender-drive loco I was referring to that I found to be deficient in the traction department was Farish part #372-136 which I bought about 6 years ago. Osborns still lists this loco although as being out of stock and describes it as "372-136 Graham Farish Class 5 BR Lined Black E/Emblem". Its more detailed description tells us that it is a "completely retooled new model" even 6 years after its release! I took it to be a model of ex-LMS Stanier class 5 (black 5) which is an ancestor of the BR standard class 5 (5MT) which is the loco released more recently by Farish and which are the locos listed by Les1952.
Webbo
Quote from: austinbob on December 15, 2015, 10:34:40 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on December 15, 2015, 10:27:33 PM
Quote from: austinbob on December 15, 2015, 04:41:19 PM
Quote from: fisherman on December 15, 2015, 04:22:23 PM
the std 5 locos are a good bet...
they were superb engines ask the S & D drivers!!!
they ranged far and wide and lasted well into the diseasal era...
I agree - mines a great runner although its tender drive and I prefer loco drive.
:beers:
Hi Bob
The Farish BR "Standard Five" is not tender driven it is one of the latest coreless motor loco-drives.
Are you confusing it with the tender driven Stanier "Black Five"?
Regards
Roy
No confusion. My 5MT is a couple of years old - have they changed the drive system? Maybe I'm wrong about the tender drive - I'll have a check tomorrow.
:beers:
Checked this morning - you are absolutely right - it is loco drive. You learn something new every day. :thankyousign: :beers:
Hallelujah!
All is becoming sweetness and light. The motors are getting back into the locomotives which is where they always belonged.
Webbo
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 15, 2015, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: Les1952 on December 15, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
The Farish STANDARD 5MT is as follows-
352-725 BR black with late crest
352-726 BR green
352-727 BR black. Website says late crest, picture shows it as early.
Thanks Les,
So the famous workhorse Stanier Black 5 never became (or maybe evolved into ) the BR Standard 5MT, was that the Riddles one then maybe , , ,
I think I have some maj. Googling to do :)
When designing a 'Standard' class 5 Mixed Traffic engine, Riddles ostensibly tried to take the Stanier 'black' 5 as a basis, and improve it. By all accounts the Standard 5 wasn't as effective as the Stanier and footplate crew weren't so keen on its performance. Although I do understand that maintenance was much easier.
In the end, and with hindsight, and like Lockheed's C-130, the only real replacement for a black 5, was another black 5! :hmmm:
Quote from: Les1952 on December 15, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
The Farish STANDARD 5MT is as follows-
352-725 BR black with late crest
352-726 BR green
352-727 BR black. Website says late crest, picture shows it as early.
I haven't one of these myself, but ONLY because there is no evidence of them ever running on the line I model. The similarly motored 2MT and WD I do have, (2 of each), and both are relatively trouble-free, apart from not being able to get a repair done on one WD because the circuit board has been removed to fit a sound chip.
Les
Probably only available 2nd hand unless you strike lucky and find a shop with one left, I have the Std 5MT green L/C running number 73014 (372-728) :P
Quote from: newportnobby on December 16, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
Quote from: Les1952 on December 15, 2015, 11:00:18 PM
The Farish STANDARD 5MT is as follows-
352-725 BR black with late crest
352-726 BR green
352-727 BR black. Website says late crest, picture shows it as early.
I haven't one of these myself, but ONLY because there is no evidence of them ever running on the line I model. The similarly motored 2MT and WD I do have, (2 of each), and both are relatively trouble-free, apart from not being able to get a repair done on one WD because the circuit board has been removed to fit a sound chip.
Les
Probably only available 2nd hand unless you strike lucky and find a shop with one left, I have the Std 5MT green L/C running number 73014 (372-728) :P
I too have a green Late and a black late. Nice models they are too.
So a Standard 5MT is not a Black 5, especially when it is green :laugh:
A green one would certainly satisfy the Managing Directoress who wants a pretty loco for our next !
I wonder what the history of the green livery is ? Where/when was it used etc
Note that Les got a typo and those numbers should be (I think ?)
372-725
372-726
372-727
still available at Osborns but different colours to Les' list
372-725 Lined Green Late
372-726 Lined Black Late
372-727 Lined Black Early
now where did I put my BFar bookmark , , , >
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 16, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
So a Standard 5MT is not a Black 5, especially when it is green :laugh:
Correct
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 16, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
A green one would certainly satisfy the Managing Directoress who wants a pretty loco for our next !
I wonder what the history of the green livery is ? Where/when was it used etc
Green liveried Std 5s were seen on the Western and Southern Regions, both of whom had a penchant for slapping green paint over anything that came near their paint shops. ;) At least one green Std 5 (73034) made it as far as Leicester on the Great Central but in the greens stayed on the WR and SR. They cropped up quite often on the S&D. I don't have a full list of which members of the 130-strong class received green livery but the information is out there if you feel so inclined.
Farish have produced 73068 in lined green (and very smart it looks too;) ). This particular loco ended its days on the Southern Region. There is a shot of it here (in very grubby condition) at Bournemouth shortly before electrification.
(http://www.southerncountiesrailwaysociety.co.uk/images/southern_counties_railway_society_M_class_5MT_73068_bournemouth.jpg)
Interestingly this loco seemed to get about quite a bit (probably one of the reasons it was chosen for the model). Here it is a decade earlier at Chesterfield with an excursion in 1957.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4074/4796560711_af6581d9ed_b.jpg)
Quote from: Karhedron on December 16, 2015, 01:33:32 PM
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 16, 2015, 11:53:10 AM
A green one would certainly satisfy the Managing Directoress who wants a pretty loco for our next !
I wonder what the history of the green livery is ? Where/when was it used etc
Green liveried Std 5s were seen on the Western and Southern Regions, both of whom had a penchant for slapping green paint over anything that came near their paint shops. ;) The Southern examples in particular were unique for the class in receiving names that had come from the recently withdrawn King Authurs. They were sometimes referred to as "Standard Arthurs" (much to the distaste of contemporary fans but great for us).
At least one green Std 5 (73034) made it as far as Leicester on the Great Central but in the greens stayed on the WR and SR. They cropped up quite often on the S&D. I don't have a full list of which members of the 130-strong class received green livery but the information is out there if you feel so inclined.
Farish have produced 73068 in lined green (and very smart it looks too;) ). This particular loco ended its days on the Southern Region. There is a shot of it here (in very grubby condition) at Bournemouth shortly before electrification.
(http://www.southerncountiesrailwaysociety.co.uk/images/southern_counties_railway_society_M_class_5MT_73068_bournemouth.jpg)
Interestingly this loco seemed to get about quite a bit (probably one of the reasons it was chosen for the model). Here it is a decade earlier at Chesterfield with an excursion in 1957.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4074/4796560711_af6581d9ed_b.jpg)
We'll just have to take your word for it, that underneath all that grime, it is in fact green......Just sayin' ;)
Quote from: Karhedron on December 16, 2015, 01:33:32 PM
Green liveried Std 5s were seen on the Western and Southern Regions, both of whom had a penchant for slapping green paint
Great info thank you very much, most interesting.
Defo a Rule 1 situation if I were to put one inamongst my LMS and or LNER in Carlisle !
But my interestedSO would be pleased as she had a mis-spent youth spotting a few miles down track from the Severn Tunnel :)
( Dont anyone let on that I know she really meant GWR locos when she said " can we have a pretty one next " :laugh3: ! )
Quote from: austinbob on December 15, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
Quote from: Pengi on December 15, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
Kato do make kettles
Link (http://www.gaugemaster.com/search_results.asp?searchstring=steam%20Kato%20scale~~%ACn%AC~~scale%20category~~1250~~category)
Don't know if it is what you are looking for - kettles all look the same to me, ugly :P
You're right Pengi. Those kettles in your link are pretty ugly!! :P.
Its the Brit steamers you should be looking at... Bootiful.
:bounce:
Much as I like Japanese trains, the kettles are really an acquired taste, though they are available in any colour you want as long as it's a shade of black. For added variety you can pair them with colourful chocolate brown coaches, in later prototype years drab dark blue ones are also available. The models are technically excellent, as you might expect, and good value for money, though until recently the motors were often mounted in the cab space.
Sorry about the typos on the catalogue numbers.
As to green 5MTs and 4MTs. Darlington works didn't get any of these to mend until very late in their lives. Consequently there was no policy on what colour they should be. As a result if it was green when it arrived that was the colour it was repainted (or patch painted after cleaning).
I remember a pair of ex-works 4MTs standing on 51A shed. One black, one green.......
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on December 16, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
Sorry about the typos
Not a problem Mr Holmes, you gave me an excellent excersize in deductive logic ! Yours etc Dr. W
:D
Quote from: newportnobby on December 16, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
I have the Std 5MT green L/C running number 73014 (372-728)
I wonder why they were sold out ( or withdrawn ?) so much quicker than the previous/other three ( 725, 726 & 727 )
and was the only difference the running number, 73014, was it much more popular for some reason, a famous number perhaps ?
Idle curiosity / too much time on my hands / nowt on telly :smiley-laughing:
73014 was a bit of a celebrity engine as far as I have been able to find. It's final allocation was Bolton Shed where it's green livery was kept smart and it was sometimes used for railtour duty. I revise my earlier estimate as this was probably the most northerly green 5MT.
http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg (http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg)
There is a photo of it here at Willsden in 1962 and it seems to be in black livery (judging by the lining). I cannot say when it gained its green livery. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gricerman/14795363984 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gricerman/14795363984)
It certainly had an eventful life being allocated to 10 different sheds in just 15 years. I guess it gained its green livery during its stay at either Banbury or Oxley although 1965 seems a very late date for the WR to be repainting steamers green. http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=73014&loco=73014 (http://www.brdatabase.info/locoqry.php?action=locodata&type=S&id=73014&loco=73014)
As for selling out, the Standard 5s seem to have been pretty good sellers for Farish with only a handful left in stores.
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
As for selling out, the Standard 5s seem to have been pretty good sellers for Farish with only a handful left in stores.
I got mine from Hattons about a year ago, they were on offer for quite a while for 80 quid.
Slightly OT, but suspiciously Rule 1: http://www.train-photos.com/picture/number2943.asp (http://www.train-photos.com/picture/number2943.asp)
I have to say, the Farish 5MT is one of the better models out there. Mine have been practically bomb proof, and since purchase have racked up as much exhibition mileage as my Union Mills models with one notable exception...they work heavier loads than is inflicted on my UM fleet.
Don't discount the tender driven Black 5 or Jubilee outright however. A split gear on one Black 5 aside, my tender driven Staniers are older and far higher mileage than anything surviving in my fleet, all of my ex-Poole models have had work to keep them running. Those tender drives just seem to keep on going at present. They still operate the same loadings as my Std 5MTs, sometimes heavier, especially on freight workings. The B1 is equally as capable. But to be honest if you want something from the LMS, was express rated and painted Green and strayed into LNER territory day in, day out...I'd side with a Jubilee ;)
One model that I really would recommend however is the Fairburn tank. And before you dismiss it as not an express locomotive, I am certain that I've seen photos of them hauling a portion of Yorkshire Pullman services to/from Bradford Exchange. Given the small black workday locomotives listed in the OP, this one I think would fit in better than a hulking great Pacific (no matter how much I love Duchesses) or a Jubilee. The Fairburn is equally at home trundling around with a few suburban coaches on locals, a pickup freight, or a portion of a crack express. The Farish model is absolutely fantastic too, reports of wheel wobble aside, that is one thing to look out for if buying. I have to say though that none of mine have issue, and I've not yet seen one with a wobble.
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg (http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg)
With 45260 behind it "as a train engine", wonder what 'train engine' means ?! more googling needed ,,,
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AMThere is a photo of it here at Willsden in 1962 and it seems to be in black livery (judging by the lining). I cannot say when it gained its green livery.
It certainly had an eventful life being allocated to 10 different sheds in just 15 years. I guess it gained its green livery during its stay at either Banbury or Oxley although 1965 seems a very late date for the WR to be repainting steamers green.
From the LNER forum :- " There is the odd case of 73014, sent to Eastleigh in 1964 in black livery from Willesden shed, emerging in lined green and returned to Bletchley."
with various speculations - from running out of black paint (!) to gaining a replacement tender which was green, so they painted the loco to match ( !! why not repaint the tender black thinks I )
http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7003&start=15#p82035 (http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7003&start=15#p82035)
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 17, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AM
http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg (http://www.paulsalveson.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_5704.jpg)
With 45260 behind it "as a train engine", wonder what 'train engine' means ?! more googling needed ,,,
When Double Heading, the leading Loco (normally the smaller of the locos) is usually referred to as the 'Pilot Engine' and the second as the 'Train Engine'. Where a second loco is added for a part of the journey (e.g. a steep gradient) the Train Engine is the one that hauls the train (solo) for the rest of the journey.
The exception is (you've guessed...) the Green Weird Railway who did things differently and normally "put the Pilot loco inside" i.e. the Pilot loco was added to the train between the 'Train Engine' and the first coach.
A couple of observations about this thread..
Despite many past threads about dodgy locos (some from me) there are a lot of good experiences reported in this thread.
Secondly - nearly all the good locos mentioned are Farish!! Coincidence maybe??
:) :beers:
Quote from: PLD on December 17, 2015, 02:19:28 PM
When Double Heading, the leading Loco (normally the smaller of the locos) is usually referred to as the 'Pilot Engine' and the second as the 'Train Engine'.
Ah yes I see now, thanks great explanation. :idea:
As an aside : you may all be amused to know that as a wee lad living 1/2 way between Shap and Beattock I thought that the processes of double heading or pushing from behind were called " banking ". Only later did I realise that banking was only done from the back ! (I think ! )
I have just realised, re-reading my last few, that I forgot to put in the link to the commentary on K's pic that mentioned the Train Engine, , , I'll be back later when I dig it out , ,
Quote from: austinbob on December 17, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
Secondly - nearly all the good locos mentioned are Farish!! Coincidence maybe??
Yes Bob, I had thought about that also !!!
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AMBolton Shed where it's green livery was kept smart and it was sometimes used for railtour duty. I revise my earlier estimate as this was probably the most northerly green 5MT.
How about Crew South shed !!
Only B&W sadly, but 1966 - so unless it had another re-paint in those 2years probably still green ?
If I am not mistaken that is NPN territory ? and the southern end of my patch :)
http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/moresteammemories.html (http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/moresteammemories.html)
(http://www.6g.nwrail.org.uk/scan0026rs.jpg)
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 17, 2015, 03:32:39 PM
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 09:01:05 AMBolton Shed where it's green livery was kept smart and it was sometimes used for railtour duty. I revise my earlier estimate as this was probably the most northerly green 5MT.
How about Crew South shed !!
Last time I checked Bolton was about 40 miles north of Crewe. ;)
Quote from: Karhedron on December 17, 2015, 04:20:25 PM
Last time I checked Bolton was about 40 miles north of Crewe. ;)
Oooops ! Sorry :smackedface: So it is !!
Now where is that embarrased emoticon when one needs it,, :-[
My excuse ? = I've never been to Bolton :)
Matthew beat me to it, Malcolm, but thanks for the nudge ;)
Quote from: newportnobby on December 16, 2015, 11:22:29 AMunless you strike lucky and find a shop with one left, I have the Std 5MT green L/C running number 73014 (372-728)
Time for an update :)
Yes! the good news is that I found one (73014)
the not quite so good news is that she will not get her Xmas prez till after Xmas now.
Thanks to everyone for all your suggestions, much appreciated.
The Duchess will have to wait a bit, until the moths have got over their fright :)
Quote from: ScottyStitch on December 16, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
We'll just have to take your word for it, that underneath all that grime, it is in fact green......Just sayin' ;)
Found this on the interweb . . . looks quite green . . . . [smg id=33362 type=preview align=center caption="73068 at Swindon shed 19th October 1958 "]
Cheers
Indeed, and quite splendid it is too
Quote from: CliveH on December 24, 2015, 07:15:11 AM
Quote from: ScottyStitch on December 16, 2015, 01:40:27 PM
We'll just have to take your word for it, that underneath all that grime, it is in fact green......Just sayin' ;)
Found this on the interweb . . . looks quite green . . . . [smg id=33362 type=preview align=center caption="73068 at Swindon shed 19th October 1958 "]
Cheers
Shame they didn't line the tender LMS-style with the upper lining following the line of the tender top...
Les
Quote from: Les1952 on December 24, 2015, 11:48:22 PMShame they didn't line the tender LMS-style with the upper lining following the line of the tender top...
I was only a few years old when I last travelled on the LMS ( or LNER for that matter) so did not notice,,, if you could amplify a little :
Quote from: MalcolmAL on December 25, 2015, 12:03:13 AM
Quote from: Les1952 on December 24, 2015, 11:48:22 PMShame they didn't line the tender LMS-style with the upper lining following the line of the tender top...
I was only a few years old when I last travelled on the LMS ( or LNER for that matter) so did not notice,,, if you could amplify a little :
The lining on the tender side is a rectangle, following the pattern of the GWR. LMS style would have had the shape of the lining follow the shape of the tender side.
Les