What hopper wagons are these?

Started by Ted, May 08, 2022, 01:33:40 PM

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Steven B

I've heard from a previous committee member that the ICI hopper has been considered in the past.

Despite their long life, I suspect the small region of operation counted against them (unlike most NGS kits/RTR which could be seen country wide). 

I think they'd be ideal for Revolution or perhaps Rapido's modus operandi.

Steven B.

Ted

Quote from: Steven B on May 10, 2022, 09:04:23 AM
I've heard from a previous committee member that the ICI hopper has been considered in the past.

Despite their long life, I suspect the small region of operation counted against them (unlike most NGS kits/RTR which could be seen country wide). 

I think they'd be ideal for Revolution or perhaps Rapido's modus operandi.

Steven B.

And much like MGRs - I need a lot of wagons. 100's of the bloody things, if not - dare I say it - thousands.

Of course, Farish has been promising a re-run of HAAs for years now... "coming soon!"  :(
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martyn

@Ted

Peco also do the HAA, but at least at Hatton's are 'awaited'.

Other stockists are available........ :)

Martyn

Catsick

On the subject of hoppers, what makes these so expensive on ebay etc?



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emjaybee

Quote from: Catsick on May 10, 2022, 10:25:57 AM
On the subject of hoppers, what makes these so expensive on ebay etc?




The fact that they're very sought after, and no longer made.

Good ol' market forces.
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Ted

Quote from: martyn on May 10, 2022, 09:56:16 AM
@Ted

Peco also do the HAA, but at least at Hatton's are 'awaited'.

Other stockists are available........ :)

Martyn

I was under the impression the Peco aren't as nice (slightly less detail) and use plastic wheels?
Just call me Ted, or Edward... or Ed.

Just not Eddie.

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Ted

Quote from: emjaybee on May 10, 2022, 10:48:42 AM
Quote from: Catsick on May 10, 2022, 10:25:57 AM
On the subject of hoppers, what makes these so expensive on ebay etc?




The fact that they're very sought after, and no longer made.

Good ol' market forces.

I paid good money for my rake - but you only live once!
Just call me Ted, or Edward... or Ed.

Just not Eddie.

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PaulCheffus

Quote from: Catsick on May 10, 2022, 10:25:57 AM
On the subject of hoppers, what makes these so expensive on ebay etc?




Hi

The alternative is the NGS kit which can be modified into a Sealion by adding the vacuum cylinders. I didn't bother changing the vertical side strengtheners on my first six but I have a plan to change them for the next six which if it works I will then go back and modify the originals.



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Steven B

Quote from: Ted on May 10, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
I was under the impression the Peco aren't as nice (slightly less detail) and use plastic wheels?

Apart from the wheels there's very little to distinguish the Peco and Farish HAA. I have a rake of each and frankly I'd be just as happy with just one or the other.

With the HAA there's also the choice of the old Minitrix version. It stands up very well against the newer models, especially once the silver pizza cutter wheels have been replaced.

Steven B.

Ted

Quote from: Steven B on May 10, 2022, 12:25:44 PM
Quote from: Ted on May 10, 2022, 11:06:47 AM
I was under the impression the Peco aren't as nice (slightly less detail) and use plastic wheels?

Apart from the wheels there's very little to distinguish the Peco and Farish HAA. I have a rake of each and frankly I'd be just as happy with just one or the other.


I've just ordered 1 to compare (I should have just done that in the first place)!  :)
Just call me Ted, or Edward... or Ed.

Just not Eddie.

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montyburns1982

Quote from: Steven B on May 10, 2022, 09:04:23 AM
I've heard from a previous committee member that the ICI hopper has been considered in the past.

Despite their long life, I suspect the small region of operation counted against them (unlike most NGS kits/RTR which could be seen country wide). 

I think they'd be ideal for Revolution or perhaps Rapido's modus operandi.

Steven B.

Limited geographical spread is one of the reasons I'm not feeling the ICI hoppers as an NGS product.

Keep an eye out in the next newsletter/journal where I try and give a bit more insight into the selection and development of NGS Kits and RTR.

montyburns1982

Quote from: PaulCheffus on May 10, 2022, 11:51:48 AM
Quote from: Catsick on May 10, 2022, 10:25:57 AM
On the subject of hoppers, what makes these so expensive on ebay etc?




Hi

The alternative is the NGS kit which can be modified into a Sealion by adding the vacuum cylinders. I didn't bother changing the vertical side strengtheners on my first six but I have a plan to change them for the next six which if it works I will then go back and modify the originals.



Cheers

Paul

Great job on the kit Paul. I have a half started one. I must confess the etches defeated me pretty quickly and I rapidly lost motivation. I wish the Farish ones were still available.

Catsick

Must get mine listed for extortionate price lol   :P

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Ted

Quote from: montyburns1982 on May 10, 2022, 10:42:49 PM
Limited geographical spread is one of the reasons I'm not feeling the ICI hoppers as an NGS product.

Keep an eye out in the next newsletter/journal where I try and give a bit more insight into the selection and development of NGS Kits and RTR.

Can I ask, what does it cost (money and time) to produce a model wagon?

If you don't/can't share specifics - a ballpark would be interesting to know.
Just call me Ted, or Edward... or Ed.

Just not Eddie.

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