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Title: Filthy wheels
Post by: Dorsetmike on May 10, 2017, 11:51:13 AM
I received a non runner Peco Jubilee off Ebay this morning, as advertised it didn't run at all, so started diagnosis by applying power direct to the motor which ran fine, so next checked connection from coupling to motor, also good. Back on track - still dead, applied power to back of loco wheels and motor, runs OK, move power to loco wheel treads - dead. On inspection I found almost 1mm depth of crud on the wheels. Did a quick clean with a wire brush in the minidrill, back on the track runs but still a bit hesitant when running slow, so a further attack on whel treads with a craft knife and glass fibre brush, all systems go!

So saved meself quite a few quidlets with half an hours work. I seem to be lucky with Ebay non runners, the best for me was a blown bulb giving a dead short & tripping controller, that one probably saved me not far short of £100, this Jub probably £40 - £50
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Delboy on May 10, 2017, 03:08:01 PM
Hi Mike,
Well done. Looks like sometimes it is worth taking a gamble on e-bay for a non-runner.
Dennis
:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: paulprice on May 10, 2017, 03:17:57 PM
Im amazed at the state of rolling stock wheels get into especially plastic ones.

I have had a number of people asking me to look at their stock because its not running correct, and all it needs is a wheel clean. Some modellers only seem to think loco wheels get dirty
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: silly moo on May 10, 2017, 03:22:27 PM
I've bought a couple of second hand locos and some rolling stock that had 'dirt traction tyres' some of them even worked with the crud in place but were much better with a good clean. I usually use a cocktail stick on the dirt as it is kinder to the wheels.
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: paulprice on May 10, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
I like surgical stockings, sorry I mean spirit for rolling stock wheels  :-[
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
Quote from: paulprice on May 10, 2017, 03:39:01 PM
I like surgical stockings, sorry I mean spirit for rolling stock wheels  :-[

:laughabovepost:

Just wet some kitchen towel with your spirit of choice (I use IPA*), lay it on a spare piece of track and run your stock up and down a few times and then be horrified at the muck that gets removed :goggleeyes:

* Not Indian Pale Ale which, of course, is not a spirit - unless your name is Hiawatha and you live on the shores of Lake Gichigami
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2017, 04:12:18 PM
Nah, can't be bothered with fluids and stuff if I've got several trays of stock to go through.  As I've probably written before, a nylon burnishing wheel in a mini-drill at low speed held slightly off-parallel to the wheel tread.  Spins and cleans quickly, and being nylon not brass it doesn't damage the wheels (plastic or metal). 

As others have said, I just don't get why some folk let their stock build up thick layers of crud.  Do they never look underneath?
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
Quote from: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2017, 04:12:18 PM

As others have said, I just don't get why some folk let their stock build up thick layers of crud.  Do they never look underneath?

Have you tried getting between the rails of code 55 track to lie down and have a looksee recently? :laugh3:
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: railsquid on May 10, 2017, 05:15:51 PM
My absolute favourite "non-runner" was a Minitrix German electric loco, of a type which can switch between rail and overhead pickup. As advertised, it failed to run when placed on the tracks. I located the switch to change the pickup source to "rail", and off it went  :beers:

Second favourite is a Kato TGV sold cheaply as a poor runner by a shop who let me try it out - it was indeed a poor runner due to the aforementioned "crud tyre" effect, but a few minutes work at home with a cotton bud and some IPA-like fluid soon solved that.
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2017, 07:12:11 PM
Quote from: railsquid on May 10, 2017, 05:15:51 PM
... "non-runner"... I located the switch to change the pickup source to "rail", and off it went  :beers:


Yep, been there had an ebay bargain like that.  WIN!!!   :claphappy:  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Young Bulla on May 10, 2017, 09:11:01 PM
New tooling Farish princess coronation with screeching motor fixed with a drop of glue to the motor mount for £45!
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Farmer chap on May 10, 2017, 09:34:28 PM
The best way i've found to clean rolling stock wheels is to use a Bachrus powered wheel cleaner.

I avoid using the supplied sponges soaked in cleaning solution ( IPA ) prefering instead to run the

bogies separated from coaches or wagons on the powered roller and hold a fibreglass pen against the

wheel sets, works a treat!

Ian
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2017, 09:56:40 PM
Fibreglass pens are very effective (I use mine a lot) but the residue is a flippin' irritant!
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Bob Tidbury on May 10, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
Farmer Chap Whats a Bachrus powere wheel cleaner what does it look like and where o you get one and how much did it cost?
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: ntpntpntp on May 10, 2017, 10:09:46 PM
@Bob Tidbury (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442)   methinks he refers to this - which is no longer available by the look of it?

http://www.bachrus.com/wheeldoctor.php (http://www.bachrus.com/wheeldoctor.php)

I use their rollers in N and G - very handy.
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Farmer chap on May 10, 2017, 10:27:20 PM
Hi Bob,

ntpntpntp refers to the tool I meant, just got my wording a bit wrong - sorry didn't realise they may be

out of production.

Ian
Title: Re: Filthy wheels
Post by: Bob Tidbury on May 10, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
What a shame it sounded like a good piece of kit .
Bob Tidbury