Hi all,
In planning for the future bigger layout, I have just bought a Dapol "Flying Scotsman" in BR Green late crest. It is now running round my Kato test track, and is beautiful :D :D :D
Now I need something for it to pull :hmmm:
I aim to have a larger radius outer oval running along the front of the layout, into a tunnel, and emerging to a viaduct along the back, to show of "prestige" trains.
An idea (thank you Matt for all your help) is to go suitably upmarket and run a special Pullman service. Unfortunatly I won't have the space to run a long rake.
4 at the most, which should be OK. pretty much all of the train set boxes only have 3. Just not sure which 4 to get.
I was thinking of buying these two now ...
https://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374210e-br-mk1-sp-pullman-second-parlour-car-car-353-umber-cream-n-gauge.ir (https://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374210e-br-mk1-sp-pullman-second-parlour-car-car-353-umber-cream-n-gauge.ir)
https://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374220d-br-mk1-fk-pullman-first-kitchen-car-robin-umber-cream-n-gauge.ir (https://www.petersspares.com/graham-farish-374220d-br-mk1-fk-pullman-first-kitchen-car-robin-umber-cream-n-gauge.ir)
And ordering this one .....
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/27846/graham-farish-374-202-n-gauge-br-mk1-fp-pullman-first-parlour-car-ruby-umber-cream (https://railsofsheffield.com/products/27846/graham-farish-374-202-n-gauge-br-mk1-fp-pullman-first-parlour-car-ruby-umber-cream)
I'm not sure about the 4th though..... another parlour car, 2nd kitchen car, or surely there should be a brake car :confused2:
Would really appreciate your thoughts
All kind regards
Kevin
Yep, a brake vehicle is needed... There were no MK1 Pullman brakes built so you need to do as BR did and use a standard MK1 Corridor Brake First (BFK) preferably in Chocolate & Cream or an older style Pullman Brake...
Hi PLD,
Many thanks for your reply ..... that explains why the last couple of hours hasn't turned up any brake cars :doh: :doh:
I have found this on Ebay, so if I get it, would it be appropriate ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-0656-N-Gauge-PULLMAN-Brake-End-Composite-Diner-FORTUNA/323209594308?epid=675815567&hash=item4b40cb05c4:g:43cAAOSwbihaKtK6 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-0656-N-Gauge-PULLMAN-Brake-End-Composite-Diner-FORTUNA/323209594308?epid=675815567&hash=item4b40cb05c4:g:43cAAOSwbihaKtK6)
That would make the rake ...
1. First Class Kitchen
2. First Class Parlour
3. Second Class Parlour
4. Older Brake End Composite Diner
That seems ok for Summer excursions / Special day trips, for a day out on the "Flying Scotsman"
Any thoughts ?
With all best wishes
Kevin
Hi Kevin,
Being a Continental modeller can't help but lovely idea and looking forward to your future bigger layout.
Sounds like a lovely train trip. Lots of food and booze. Maybe that's why a lot of modellers are rather Rubenesque shall we say :D
Hope you're still going to do the Weymouth Quay tramway thing as well?
Cheers weave :beers:
Hi Weave.
Hope you are well, and having a good weekend.
Yes, the Harbour case layout is definatly going ahead. :D
"Windmill hill" is a bit quiet now, as there is a big problem there at the moment, so I am planning things , and slowly building up some stock for the future, bit by bit as I can afford it, and trying to make sure I spend on the right stuff.
PS Loving how your layout is coming along :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
All best wishes
Kevin
At one time the Met-Camm Pullmans ran with older (1928?) flat-sided Pullman brakes.
Also there were mixed rakes with standard livery brakes.
Thanks for your replies,
I found it a bit strange there was no kind of brake car in this awesome livery .....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-210418190313.jpeg)
Anyway, the rake I would like behind my Flying Scotsman would be......
1. First class kitchen
2. First class parlour
3. Second class parlour
All in the Umber and Cream as above.
Then this older brake end composite diner to finish off with ....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-210418190723.jpeg)
It makes a train that I would really enjoy travelling on :D I just wanted to check it would not look too stupid. ;)
With all best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
Ruby is not currently available, at least not at my local model shop or anywhere he has tried for me ( or Hattons), unless anyone knows differently.
Be aware that these are not NEM pocket equipped, I had to jump through hoops to fit NEM pockets at each end to use Dapol easy couplers, and to get them at the correct height.
Hi Bramshot,
Thankyou for that. I know "Ruby" is not available yet, but am in no hurry for it. I still have to finish what I am building at the moment before I can start on a layout for bigger trains :D :D
I am just slowly building up stock for that layout, so I don't find myself having a HUGE expense getting everything at once later
"Ruby" will be on order though, and thank you for the info on NEM pockets. I wish all dealers would tell you about this (some do :thumbsup:) as you are so right, even with the jig thingy it is such a fiddle fitting them :worried:
With all best wishes
Kevin
Hi Phoenix
The information regarding NEM pockets is in the GF catalogue, if you remember to check and if you have one. But then if you need the carriages anyway, you will still buy them. The Pullmans, although nominally Mk1's, seem to be made differently to the other GF Mk1's. There is not much to attach the NEM pockets on to.
Also, if you are interested in lighting your coaches, these Pullman's are quite good in that they have live axle wheels, i.e. only one wheel is insulated from the shaft. This makes it easier to use dcc concepts axle springs as pickups, without having to use conductive paint on one wheel.
The only other GF coaches I have come across with this useful feature are the maroon LMS ones not that I have exhaustive experience of them. I generally use Dapol, for coaches as they are ready fitted for easy lighting.
Maybe in time all these will be updated to have both wheels insulated. GF cannot supply live axle wheelsets as a spare, and I have not found anyone else who can either.
There was a 'modern' Pullman brake coach made for the Farish Collectors Club but I don't know whether there was a prototype or whether it was a ficticious one.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzGW2xXa_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzGW2xXa_Y)
Looks like the one Phoenix put a photo of above.
I thought that pic was of the wooden bodied 1928 version :hmmm:
Looking more carefully, I think you are right, it is different.
Quote from: Newportnobby on April 21, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
There was a 'modern' Pullman brake coach made for the Farish Collectors Club but I don't know whether there was a prototype or whether it was a ficticious one.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzGW2xXa_Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzGW2xXa_Y)
It is an accurate model of a present day fake! It is a standard mk1 brake dressed up to look like a Pullman owned by one of the charter companies...
:NGF: :thumbsup: :NGF:
Thanks for all this info.
I did not realise Bramshot, that you are the guy developing the couplings. What an awesome project.... one to be proud off :D
That Brake coach Mick, is beautiful. :drool: I looked it up, and yes it is "pretend" but nevertheless, how fabulous would it look at the end of a rake being pulled by the Flying Scotsman ?
I must track one down, and work out how many organs to sell to get one :goggleeyes:
With all best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
:laugh3: I WANT ONE :laugh3:
Phoenix, sorry, but you lost me there. I am not developing any couplings.
:sorrysign: :-[ :sorrysign:
I do beg your pardon, I was getting in a muddle confusing Belstone with Bramshot.
So sorry about that, and thank you for your help :thumbsup:
Next quest is tracking down this little beauty .......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-220418005129.jpeg)
With kind regards and all best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
Quote from: Phoenix on April 21, 2018, 12:58:11 PM
Hi PLD,
Many thanks for your reply ..... that explains why the last couple of hours hasn't turned up any brake cars :doh: :doh:
I have found this on Ebay, so if I get it, would it be appropriate ?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-0656-N-Gauge-PULLMAN-Brake-End-Composite-Diner-FORTUNA/323209594308?epid=675815567&hash=item4b40cb05c4:g:43cAAOSwbihaKtK6 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-0656-N-Gauge-PULLMAN-Brake-End-Composite-Diner-FORTUNA/323209594308?epid=675815567&hash=item4b40cb05c4:g:43cAAOSwbihaKtK6)
.......
With all best wishes
Kevin
That's not a bad price. These go for around 28 squids on Hattons pre-owned site.
Quote from: Phoenix on April 21, 2018, 11:12:23 PM
That Brake coach Mick, is beautiful. :drool: I looked it up, and yes it is "pretend" but nevertheless, how fabulous would it look at the end of a rake being pulled by the Flying Scotsman ?
I must track one down, and work out how many organs to sell to get one :goggleeyes:
:laugh3: I WANT ONE :laugh3:
My work here is done :D
Hi all,
I don't know much about 1950s and 1960s era Pullmans, but the BCK mentioned above produced as a Bachmann Collector's Club model represents a vehicle repainted for use by SLOA (Steam Locomotive Operator's Association) on rail charters in the 1980s.
See here: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SLOA+charter+rail&prmd=nmsiv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivzNmp_c3aAhUSfMAKHdYCDvMQ_AUIFCgE&biw=1024&bih=649#imgrc=XkF9IRAz4OfStM: (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SLOA+charter+rail&prmd=nmsiv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwivzNmp_c3aAhUSfMAKHdYCDvMQ_AUIFCgE&biw=1024&bih=649#imgrc=XkF9IRAz4OfStM:)
It was certainly not a fictitious livery, however it may not be strictly correct for the OP's intended use.
Cheers
Ben A.
Hi Ben,
Many thanks for that :thumbsup:
In this hobby we, or at least I, am learning all the time. In trying to find an appropriate Pullman rake for 50s 60s era I discovered there was no brake car :hmmm:
Western Region Choc / Cream were used, (And apparently some were "Misapropriated" by other companys ).The Bournemouth Belle used Maroon, and later Blue / Grey.
Also I believe some older wooden sided Pullman cars were used, and it is one of those I will be buying.
The collectors club BCK is awesome, and when I said "Pretend" it's not really the right word :-[, I meant it did not exit in my era ....... I still want one though !
Other info I found out is the first Pullman coach in the UK ran in 1874, and there is a special Pullman Loaf, because of the small kitchens it is smaller and baked in square tins with lids.
With all best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
The collectors club Pullman brake's are usually mad money on eBay
Good luck in finding one for less than £80
:claphappy: Yay :claphappy:
Instead of "I want one !" thanks to a member here it is now "I've got one !" :D
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-290418192656-647531543.jpeg)
Looks fabulous behind "Flying Scotsman" with the First Kitchen, and Second Salon. ( I have got a first salon on pre-order, to be expected in October )
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-290418192654-647522354.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5755-290418192840-64754233.jpeg)
I know that rake would not have existed in the 50's 60's as the Pullman break was a repainted vehicle for charter trains in the 80's,......but it does look good ;D ;) ;D
All best wishes
Kevin
PS Sorry the photos are a bit fuzzy :-[
Hi Kevin,
Looks great. Hope you got mate's rates ;).
Just to warn you that we are house hunting from 'ampshire to go further West and saw a lovely place on Friday in Buckland Ripers, near Nottington (you probably know that), so a Weymouth old tramway pub crawl could be on the cards :).
Very pleased for your purchase.
Cheers weave :beers:
Hi Weave,
The asking price was a little bit lower than I was aiming to pay, so I actually rounded it up, and paid what was still a fair price ;D
The only thing I was a bit disappointed with, was that it was in an ordinary cardboard box, with that clear plastic "wrap around" insert. For a special collectors club piece, I thought it would at least be in one of those hard plastic boxes with a foam insert, but hey ho .... we run the coaches not the boxes :D :D
If you are heading this way, it would be a pleasure to meet up.
Here's where I live ........ http://www.weymouth-harbour.co.uk/ (http://www.weymouth-harbour.co.uk/)
and if you are in the area house hunting, pop by would be great to see you :thumbsup:
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers: