What is the purpose of this survey?
The purpose of this survey is to ascertain which are the UK profile locomotives that you would like the manufacturers to produce.
But we've just done a survey, why is this different?
We are the only N gauge specific forum whilst other polls have focussed on all scales. Many of our members would have been unaware of the other polls and we also believe that our poll is particularly relevant given that our membership is primarily N gauge enthusiasts.
The basis for our poll is also different, we are asking for six votes only so our results will truly be based on what you want - rather than you providing a wish list of dozens of locos. We also understand that some locos were excluded from the list in other polls because they were available in OO or had been announced for production at some stage but have not materialised
Can I vote for a continental/US model?
Not at this stage although we may run more polls in the future
Are existing models counted in this poll?
The poll is about the models that you would like to be produced. We will take note of any votes that are for current locomotives (as they indicate models that you would like kept in production) but they will be excluded from this poll
What if a locomotive is 'in the pipeline' should I vote for it?
If the locomotive has definitely been announced for production with a date against it then there is no need to vote for it. If it is 'on the back burner' or there is an an element of doubt then vote for it. However please bear with us on this - it is a difficult call.
What about EMUs/DMUs?
You can vote for six "locos". You can have any combination of A) steamers, B) diesel locos and C) electric locos, D) DMUs and E) EMUs as long as you do not exceed three votes in each any one category. For example, you can vote for two EMUs, one DMU, two steamers and one diesel but, for example, you cannot vote for four steamers.
Should I vote for a specific livery/class of a multiple unit or the overall 'family type'?
Voting for a specific livery/class will dilute the votes for a particular locomotive and push it down the list.
How do I vote?
It is very easy to vote. All you need to do is to submit your six votes by PM to Newportnobby, there are no complicated forms to fill out or lists to wade through.
I've already voted - can I change my vote as a result of these changes?
You may amend your vote by sending a PM marked 'Amended Vote' to Newportnobby. Your final vote will override all previous votes.
When will we know the results?
We aim to publish by 30th June 2012
What will happen to the results?
We will make them available to the major manufacturers however this is dependent on us getting enough votes.
Why should I bother with this poll?
Because this is YOUR opportunity to choose which locos you would like to be manufactured in a poll completely dedicated to N gauge. Vote now - it only takes a few seconds to do.
Please send Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=264) your votes if you wish to take part. :)
GWR Castle
GWR King
GWR 2-8-2
Please send your votes by Private Message to NEWPORTNOBBY and not to me please! :thumbsup:
How about just make multiple bodies and wheels for common chassis types?
Any real N gauge enthusiast has the thing apart in minutes to see how it is put together anyway!
The MiniTrix Britannia chassis and Dock Tank have had a number of body kit options over the years. Plus all the CO-CO and BO-BO units could probably use just two chassis variants for all but the pedantic.
And I assume we all know about http://reprap.org/ (http://reprap.org/) these days?
MT+++
The common wheels/chassis is pretty much how Farish used to work. Unfortunately the real loco designers didn't do the same so you have tricky compromises.
The problem with doing that for the modern chassis is that they also have a very short lifespan, they appear with a loco, and a year later they may well no longer be made. That's not really a practical base for kits.
Historically you used to be able to take a fair bet that a loco would continue to be produced, and produced just in different liveries for many many years.
Alan
As of tonight we have 1264 registered members but only 120 have voted - less than 10% :(
This will not help our cause if we are to lay the results in front of the manufacturers. I can't see them being impressed.
I don't want to sound negative, but we really need your input if we believe we can influence their production plans so, thanks again to those who have voted, but please PM me with your votes and let's show Farish/Dapol that we really appreciate what they do and can maximise their sales by helping them decide what to manufacture.
You have 6 votes to use in the steam loco, diesel loco, electric loco, DMU and EMU sections up to a maximum of 3 votes per section. Total 6 votes - simples :thumbsup:
Come on everyone, we need your votes!
The manufacturers DO listen - e.g. the Blue Pullman has made it into production after campaigning from users.
We are the only forum that is dedicated to N for N gauge enthusiasts. So the manufacturers ought to sit up and take note but they won't if we don't get more votes.
So vote for those locos that you have always wanted because if you don't vote, there is zero chance of them getting into production!
It only takes a few seconds to send that PM to Newportnobby that could make a big difference!
Quote from: newportnobby on May 26, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
As of tonight we have 1264 registered members but only 120 have voted - less than 10% :(
The other 90% are clearly happy with the current range 8)
Quote from: EtchedPixels on May 28, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on May 26, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
As of tonight we have 1264 registered members but only 120 have voted - less than 10% :(
The other 90% are clearly happy with the current range 8)
EP has thrown down a challenge to you 90% who have not voted! Are you really happy with the current range and don't want have a say in what new models are produced? If not then send that PM to Newportnobby (containing your votes)
You have to remember that not all of the 90% model British outline.
Alex :wave:
Quote from: EtchedPixels on May 28, 2012, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: newportnobby on May 26, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
As of tonight we have 1264 registered members but only 120 have voted - less than 10% :(
The other 90% are clearly happy with the current range 8)
Can I assume that includes your goodself ;)
Quote from: newportnobby on May 28, 2012, 09:30:18 PM
Can I assume that includes your goodself ;)
A small kitmaker keeps producing exactly the bits I wanted 8)
Quote from: Alex on May 28, 2012, 08:59:58 PM
You have to remember that not all of the 90% model British outline.
Alex :wave:
This is true. Having read quite a few posts on the forum, it is clear that a few of us are choosing to model American or European, for example, because of the quality of Dapol/Farish/Kato/Atlas etc, or because their chosen UK outline locos are not available. Of course there are many of you that wanted to do other countries from the outset.
When beginning my modelling, I wanted to do N but the availability of current UK post-privatisation express trains was so poor that I initially went down the OO route. This may well be true of others. Eventually I saw the light and went to N because of Kato track, Eurostar and Thalys (which I bought much, much later from Germany) . . . and a picture on Dapol's site of the Pendolino with its status at 'metal cutting stage' (which is still there). I really wanted to model the South though with a visiting Pendo.
I want to support the UK manufacturers but there is very little for me from Farish and Dapol.
So if you feel the same way as me (whatever type of trains you are modelling) then please use your vote.
Quote from: Pendy on May 28, 2012, 08:00:12 PM
We are the only forum that is dedicated to N for N gauge enthusiasts.
We are the only
UK based forum for N gaugers.
There are others elsewhere too I'm afraid.
Quote from: Alex on May 28, 2012, 08:59:58 PM
You have to remember that not all of the 90% model British outline.
Alex :wave:
As to members not voting just because you don't model UK outline:
This is a chance to improve the hobby for all, so why not vote?
Its as easy as a PM to Newportnobby!
I did even though my interest is mainly in Irish outline nowadays.
Quote from: newportnobby on May 26, 2012, 11:10:36 PM
As of tonight we have 1264 registered members but only 120 have voted - less than 10% :(
Question is, how many of the 1264 members are of the 'signed up and visited only once' type?
There's probably an equal number who 'lurke' and only post a few times a year.
I dont think many of them will vote tbh.
Thanks Moogle :thumbsup:
There have been a surprising number of voters with no posts to their names.
Makes you wonder if anyone has registered purely to vote ;)
It worries me not - as long as they are forum members I'll take their votes as, at the end of the day the idea is to give Dapol/Farish a clue as to what the people who line their pockets would like to see them make. You would think a Marketing Manager would consider such research manna from heaven :thumbsup:
Quote from: moogle on May 29, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
As to members not voting just because you don't model UK outline:
This is a chance to improve the hobby for all, so why not vote?
Its as easy as a PM to Newportnobby!
I did even though my interest is mainly in Irish outline nowadays.
I don't see how this vote will improve the hobby for all. As we don't all model UK outline. I'm not voting because a) I have no vested interest in UK outline and b) I wouldn't know what to vote for, as I don't model it. If everyone just voted for the sake of voting that wouldn't reflect the true picture of what people want. You'd do just as well telling newportnobby to multiply the results by 50. After all Dapol/Farish aren't going to know how many actually voted are they?
Alex
Quote from: Alex on May 29, 2012, 06:23:09 PM
You'd do just as well telling newportnobby to multiply the results by 50. After all Dapol/Farish aren't going to know how many actually voted are they?
Alex
Damn - who grassed me up :o :smiley-laughing:
Hi Newportnobby
Just curious (and I'm sure I'm not alone by a long way :), any indications on when we might see the survey results?
Cheers
Roy
Quote from: Roy L S on June 09, 2012, 03:12:18 PM
Hi Newportnobby
Just curious (and I'm sure I'm not alone by a long way :), any indications on when we might see the survey results?
Cheers
Roy
Hi Roy,
I have now closed off the poll so cannot accept any further votes.
We will be publishing the full results latest end of June. Sorry to keep everyone in suspenders but I do, contrary to popular belief, have to work to feed my N gauge addiction.
Of course, if I have everything ready before then the announcement will be made earlier :thumbsup:
Hi Newportnobby.
Thank you for replying.
No worries about there being a wait I'm sure everyone undertands that you have other commitments (like work!) and that it will take time to collate the results.
Personally I am curious to find out what other people's wants look like, and if they are simlar to mine or very different. I am thinking that suggesting a Class 17 "Clayton" Diesel was probably the teeniest bit hopeful!! ;D
Cheers
Roy
:-X
Quote from: Roy L S on June 09, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
Hi Newportnobby.
Thank you for replying.
No worries about there being a wait I'm sure everyone undertands that you have other commitments (like work!) and that it will take time to collate the results.
Personally I am curious to find out what other people's wants look like, and if they are simlar to mine or very different. I am thinking that suggesting a Class 17 "Clayton" Diesel was probably the teeniest bit hopeful!! ;D
Cheers
Roy
Parkwood have a class 17 kit, but it's pretty hard to find the Japanese chassis for it. currently The end result is a nice runner though albeit one that due to lack of space has so far defeated any attempt at DCC conversion.
Quote from: EtchedPixels on June 09, 2012, 09:14:37 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on June 09, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
Hi Newportnobby.
Thank you for replying.
No worries about there being a wait I'm sure everyone undertands that you have other commitments (like work!) and that it will take time to collate the results.
Personally I am curious to find out what other people's wants look like, and if they are simlar to mine or very different. I am thinking that suggesting a Class 17 "Clayton" Diesel was probably the teeniest bit hopeful!! ;D
Cheers
Roy
Parkwood have a class 17 kit, but it's pretty hard to find the Japanese chassis for it. currently The end result is a nice runner though albeit one that due to lack of space has so far defeated any attempt at DCC conversion.
That's great news, thank you :) It;s amazing what I find I don't know about (or maybe have forgotten!) even after modelling in N for so long, and this is a classic example.
I will see if I can find some contact details for Parkwood, and if I can and they have the kit in stick, then worry about sourcing a chassis. mind you, it could always be a dummy - the things were always breaking down!
Cheers
Roy
(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4Hqa7S059WQ/T9PCTSnVKJI/AAAAAAAAB9w/tndOkecjWnk/s640/IMG_20120609_223826.jpg)
Shame i only just seen this but as i am not a knowledgeable chap as far as locos go i'd have no idea what vote for anyway.
Dave
Quote from: EtchedPixels on June 09, 2012, 10:42:00 PM
(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4Hqa7S059WQ/T9PCTSnVKJI/AAAAAAAAB9w/tndOkecjWnk/s640/IMG_20120609_223826.jpg)
Very nice :)
I will definitely get onto Parkwoods now to see if he still stocks the the kit and can sell me one.
Many thanks for letting me know about this, really appreciated.
Cheers
Roy
Can I throw this one out to you guys please?
In the poll, someone has voted for the Class 43.
Should I put this in the 'Diesel' section or the 'DMU' section ???
The 'Diesel' section was intended for locos i.e. pulling coaches or wagons etc
Bit of a dilema that one !!
Personally, I'd put it in the diesel section.
100% diesel. Class 43 was the TOPS name specifically for the power cars, not the train.
Quote from: Tank on June 10, 2012, 04:27:25 PM
100% diesel. Class 43 was the TOPS name specifically for the power cars, not the train.
Do they mean the HST Power-Car? That would be odd given the long standing Farish one and recent "state of the art" release by Dapol.
OR do they mean the original "North British" build of Diesel B-B Hydraulic "Warship" which were allocated but never actually got TOPS Code 43 (Swindon Build Class allocated 42).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_43_(Warship_Class) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_43_(Warship_Class))
Regards
Roy
Good point Roy. :thumbsup: I was going on the fact that NewportNobby said DMU.
Hard to tell if they mean the nbl warship 43's or the original hst 43's.
Either way we already have both though there will be detail differences I'm sure.
Quote from: moogle on June 10, 2012, 05:02:12 PM
Hard to tell if they mean the nbl warship 43's or the original hst 43's.
Either way we already have both though there will be detail differences I'm sure.
Could also mean HST Prototype possibly?
We have the recent, and rather nice 42 from Farish, but like you say most of the differences between that and the original 43 appear the be down to the internal mechanicals.
Just goes to show how challenging it is going to be bringing this data together, but since the votes were by way of PM, I guess Newportnobby could possibly go back to the voter to clarify?..
Cheers
Roy
Sorry for the confusion, chaps, but the voter did specify class 43 HST.
I had completely forgotten some of the Warships were class 43 ::)
Quote from: Roy L S on June 10, 2012, 04:30:03 PM
OR do they mean the original "North British" build of Diesel B-B Hydraulic "Warship" which were allocated but never actually got TOPS Code 43 (Swindon Build Class allocated 42).
Given the Bachmann one is a slightly confused hybrid you could just renumber it. If you are really fussy for either case you can slightly tweak the roof detail correctly.
The largest prototypical detail error on a North British warship would probably be it actually running rather than being in bits. They were relegated to freight quite early on for good reasons. North British basically never made the transition from steam (low rpm, a couple of mm out is fine) to diesel (fractions of a mm matter) and it's telling that no mainline North British diesel survived long enough to be preserved (one electric did and some shunters). Their steam locos on the other hand live on.
Very true, EP.
The NB diesel stuff had a very short shelf life
Quote from: Roy L S on June 09, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
I am thinking that suggesting a Class 17 "Clayton" Diesel was probably the teeniest bit hopeful!! ;D
Cheers
Roy
You may not be alone voting for a Clayton Roy ;D
Marty
Quote from: Donkey on June 13, 2012, 09:36:16 PM
Quote from: Roy L S on June 09, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
I am thinking that suggesting a Class 17 "Clayton" Diesel was probably the teeniest bit hopeful!! ;D
Cheers
Roy
You may not be alone voting for a Clayton Roy ;D
Marty
I may have voted for this ;D
:'( :scowl:
Typical. I've only just joined so too late to vote. I'd have weighed in for the prototype diesels most as now available in 00 gauge - so a lot of the work is done. Just think Deltic chased round by Lion, Kestrel, 10000 and/or10001, the Turbomotive and the gas turbine proto's.
John
:D :bounce:
john i voted anyway so my votes will go in the next count :smiley-laughing:
(http://www.sprintexnet.co.uk/Images/oldethread.jpg)
::)
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on March 14, 2013, 04:52:29 AM
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sprintexnet/Images/oldethread.jpg)
::)
Paul
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:
Many thanks to those who are sending me their poll wishes but the poll results were published last year and there is no poll running this year.
Sorry but I am not in a position to run this again at present :sorrysign: